Astronaut Buzz Aldrin's reaction to an obnoxious conspiracy theorist:

[uhnope]

http://theweek.com/speedreads/449681/watch-72yearold-buzz-aldrin-punch-jerk-face-calling-liar

Watch a 72-year-old Buzz Aldrin punch a jerk in the face for calling him a 'liar'

Buzz Aldrin: Famed astronaut, second man on the moon, and puncher of smug faces.

Sunday marks the 45th anniversary of the lunar landing — unless, of course, it never happened and the government faked the whole danged thing to make America look super powerful at the height of the Cold War. Is that conspiracy theory likely? Probably not, though there are some who ardently believe in it.

Bart Sibrel is one of those lunar truthers. And back in 2002, he ambushed Aldrin outside a Los Angeles hotel and berated him about his supposed role in the hoax, asking him to swear on a Bible he landed on the moon and calling him a "liar" and a "coward." Offended that someone would question his integrity, and fed up with being pestered for so long, Aldrin finally snapped and socked Sibrel in the face.

[99th_Monkey]

2. You posted this too, under my OP, without comment

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251497080#post75


Is this some kind of veiled threat of physical violence towards people whose views
you find objectionable?

If not this ^ then what?

Or am I completely misunderstanding your point here?

[uhnope]

3. Does this mean you're actually going to answer the questions about your CT?

[uhnope]

6. lol. I think Buzz is taking a nap right now, so you're safe.

Now that you know you're safe and sound, could you please elaborate on how the Oligarchs micromanage US elections?

[99th_Monkey]

8. I have pretty much already said what I have to say on this, esp to you.

It's at top of the greatest page (or was) w/ 162 recs. You posted
your CT insinuations there too, so I know you've already seen it.

Don't let your terminal case of CT-phobia blind you too much, to
see a truth merely because it's painful or inconvenient for you.

[uhnope]

13. you haven't said anything

Congrats on your greatest page accomplishment, maybe you can put it on your resume, but you never explained how this Oligarchy micromanages US elections. This is the most you have said:

Looking at these six recent developments alone, it’s clear that the Oligarchs have learned a thing or two about how to skillfully manipulate elections — democracy be damned — using their tools in the Clown Car, working in concert with the DNC, to insure that no 'political revolution' will be tolerated this time around, and that We the People will again face another sorry-ass choice in the GE between a lesser of two evils.

And yes, I am including Bill & Hillary Clinton as part of the Oligarchy. If Bill Clinton cozying-up alongside George W. Bush on the cover of Time magazine is not enough evidence of this one needs look no further than the Clinton’s net-worth to prove it.

It's "clear" to you, but not to the reader. The fact that the Clintons are rich is "evidence" to you. Doesn't that mean anyone who's rich is in on the plan?

You say that all the GOP candidates are in on it. Do you mean they are given instructions in what their role is? How does this scheme work? Who exactly is devising the plan and issuing the orders? How can it be so all-encompassing but Sanders is not in on it, and he apparently doesn't even know about it? (Since he's very frank and I think he would be talking about a plan to micromanage the election he hopes to win.)

[LanternWaste]

31. Bless your little heart. It really is all about you, isn't it?

Bless your little heart. It really is all about you, isn't it?

[Electric Monk]

9. Thank you for context and I hope any potential jurors notice the context as well.

[Warren DeMontague]

5. I dont, generally, condone violence, but honestly fuck moon landing denial imbeciles.

Anyone who still clings to that shit even after the hi-res LCROSS images of the landing sites.. Fucking idiots, on the level of young earth creationists.

It's like an actual reality complex enough to hold billions of years of evolution or a manned mission to the moon, is too big, scary, and most importantly mentally taxing- far easier to believe everything is made of papier mache and "god"- or some spooky conspiracy, take your pick- is hiding behind all the cheap balsa wood set pieces.

[ohheckyeah]

7. I don't condone most violence

but that made me laugh and cheer Buzz Aldrin.

[librechik]

10. my husband would say "Typical guilty response." n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

14. ....really? Here's a guy who spent a good chunk of his life training and working for a difficult job

Who sacrificed all sorts of things, like a normal family life, for years and years, AND risked his life in the process.

So he's got some uninformed jackass constantly in his face yelling at him that his life's work is a sham and a lie?

I'd be pissed, too.

AND last but not least, The moon landings FACTUALLY HAPPENED.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apollo-sites.html

There's no question or doubt or "debate".

[librechik]

20. yes--somebody's declaration that there is no debate possible

is why I spend less and less time on DU. I hope your biases keep you warm at night. Feels so good to be absolutely right in a predictable world that is exactly as you are told it is, isn't it?

It must really gall a guy like that to have to lie about his experiences for 40 plus years. I'd want to take a poke at people too. And Ii do believe we went to the moon--I don't believe the pictures are 100% "real"--and NASA has admitted as much. Where exactly did they draw the line? We may never know, since we don't count and we aren't told. .

[Warren DeMontague]

22. On some things, no, there isn't debate.

The Earth is not 6000 years old. Hurricane Katrina didn't hit New Orleans because of gay people. And yes, we went to the moon- as, again, evidenced by the high resolution photos of the landing sites taken in recent years. Once people go BACK and re-visit some of those sites, the "proof" will be even more incontrovertible, not that it matters.

I'm all for reasonable intellectual debate and open-mindedness, but one can bash one's head all day up against batshittery and denial; it's a waste of time. Like arguing with Alex Jones*. Why fucking bother?

NASA "admitted" they faked "some of" the moon landing photos? Where? Got a link to back up that assertion? I don't think that is correct.



*Speaking of which- okay, here's a hypothetical: Parents of kids killed at Newtown, after Alex Jones claims their kids didn't actually exist because, he says, the entire shooting was a phony government false flag operation (true. he did that. Something else for which I would posit "there is no debate&quot . Okay, so, like Buzz Aldrin, those parents get pissed at Alex Jones. It COULD BE because they are offended to the core of their being at the hurtful bullshit that tin foil rectum is spouting. Or, it COULD BE because "they're guilty that they got caught being part of the conspiracy".



See why debating this shit is a waste of time? Yes, Buzz Aldrin could be just angry and guilty because he got caught. Has nothing to do with this peabrained idiot with a camcorder harassing him over mindless conspiracy bullshit.

[hack89]

26. NASA admitted no such thing

Do you have a link?

[librechik]

27. not that I need to prove it to you

But NASA routinely touches up photos.

http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/1455/NASA-Admits-Photo-Retouching/

We'll never know to what extent. But it's well known among researchers.

Wow--I bet that really convinced you to think twice about what you really know!!

…not

[Glassunion]

11. Finders... Keepers...

Not that I'm a fan of violence.... I so hope he was wearing those rings when he decked the guy.

[zappaman]

12. Aldrin lashed out because he knows he was busted.

Learn something...

http://www.whobuiltthemoon.com/the-moon-is-not-a-natural-planet.html

[Warren DeMontague]

15. You laugh, but "Occum's Razor" tells us it must be true.

http://www.whobuiltthemoon.com/isnt-this-all-bunkum.html

[Codeine]

17. Occum's razor; the climax of logical thought. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

18. "Ewwwwwwwwwwww!"

[zappaman]

19. !!!

[Agschmid]

38. I hate that I just read that.

[whatchamacallit]

16. Was the climate change denier drunk when punched that guy? n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

23. Does Aldrin being wrong about anthropogenic climate change mean we didnt actually go to the moon?

Im not sure how that's relevant.

[whatchamacallit]

24. No

I just thought it was a shitty, flamebaity OP.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. If it's intended as a sideways shot in a different discussion, I agree.

But moon landing denial cranks, I have very little patience for.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

21. Aldrin's a little nutty, politically, but I still love him

Now if only Obama could do the same to the birthers.

[Beaverhausen]

28. This happened in 2002. Why is this posted now?

[Frank Cannon]

35. I'm asking the same thing. What's going on?

The general discourse on this board has degenerated from the time I signed up way back in 2003(4?), but it really seems to have deteriorated over the last few months. This site seems to be turning into a restroom wall.

[pintobean]

36. The end of 2005

Three days before 2006 began. We've always had stuff like this.

[uhnope]

37. Buzz made me do it

he beamed the thought rays thru the cracks in my tinfoil hat while I was distracted aiming at Bigfoot as it rapelled off the black helicopter/UFO

[pintobean]

29. It appears Ralph had a better swing.

[treestar]

30. lol!

[LanternWaste]

32. My visceral reaction is that an imaginative and scheming cabal of idiots

My visceral reaction is that an imaginative and scheming cabal of idiots, flying in the face of evidence and proofs are no worse for getting socked in the jaw... regardless of whether the idiots pretend we didn't land on the moon, or that the Rothschild's control us all from their secret moon bases in Florida.

Bless their little creative and speculative hearts-- my level of bemusement would be so much less without them.

[Frank Cannon]

33. This video is 13 years old. Is this what passes for General Discussion now?

WTF?

[pintobean]

34. Yeah, it sure isn't LBN material.

There's nothing in the SOP for GD to prohibit it. I'm glad it was posted, because I never knew about it.