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Quixote1818

(28,930 posts)
Sat May 19, 2012, 04:47 PM May 2012

6 Ridiculous Lies You Believe About the Founding of America


By: Jack O'Brien, Elford Alley Cracked.com


When it comes to the birth of America, most of us are working from a stew of elementary school history lessons, Westerns and vague Thanksgiving mythology. And while it's not surprising those sources might biff a couple details, what's shocking is how much less interesting the version we learned was. It turns out our teachers, Hollywood and whoever we got our Thanksgiving mythology from (Big Turkey?) all made America's origin story far more boring than it actually was for some very disturbing reasons. For instance ...

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6 Ridiculous Lies You Believe About the Founding of America (Original Post) Quixote1818 May 2012 OP
You mean Paul Revere didn't ring bells when he warned the British? longship May 2012 #1
Buh-buh-buh-but--Sarah Palin said so!! lastlib May 2012 #5
paul & some others, including a couple of george bush ancestors. HiPointDem May 2012 #28
No Silly. Paul Revere Tweeted That The British Were Coming Yavin4 May 2012 #31
Best quote from article: abelenkpe May 2012 #2
Here's mine: WhoIsNumberNone May 2012 #14
I've thought that more than once newspeak May 2012 #26
This site is like The Onion, right? I don't have time to read it. The Wielding Truth May 2012 #32
My reaction, in pictures: Zalatix May 2012 #3
Funny, I didn't read anywhere about any Christian's making America Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel May 2012 #4
An excellent read RC May 2012 #6
Really fascinating....I'd never heard about the two American natives who landed in Holland in 60 BC. Rowdyboy May 2012 #7
I am somewhat skeptical about that RZM May 2012 #17
I've found a book on the general subject of the American discovery of Europe....apparently Rowdyboy May 2012 #18
Kind of like Gavin Menzies, who has made a career out of making dubious claims RZM May 2012 #19
I'm ashamed to admit I included references to Von Daniken in my high school senior thesis on the... Rowdyboy May 2012 #20
K&R Sedona May 2012 #8
We were taught the "settlers" conquered barbarians bupkus May 2012 #9
Sometimes, I wish we had a 'like' feature for posts like this southmost May 2012 #10
kick Blue_Tires May 2012 #11
Long read....worth every minute. Curmudgeoness May 2012 #12
KnR alittlelark May 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Odin2005 May 2012 #15
Some people are not going to like #5 or #1. Odin2005 May 2012 #16
Guns, Germs, and Steel... nope. Just germs. hunter May 2012 #21
For dispelling myths burrowowl May 2012 #22
I've been meaning to read that forever and keep forgetting - thanks for the reminder! nt gateley May 2012 #23
I cannot tell a lie... Kablooie May 2012 #24
great article, and everything i already knew. thank you my almost-NA Studies minor. :) NuttyFluffers May 2012 #25
Had to post guards to stop the whites from "going native". K&R Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #27
Awesome post. Thanks. Fantastic Anarchist May 2012 #29
#7 Amster Dan May 2012 #30
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
28. paul & some others, including a couple of george bush ancestors.
Sun May 20, 2012, 03:00 PM
May 2012

Paul Revere:

After I had been there [at the Hancock-Clarke house] about a half an hour, Mr. Daws (sic) came; we refreshed ourselves ourselves, and set off for Concord. We were overtaken by a young Dr. Prescott, whom we found to be a high Son of Liberty... I likewise mentioned that we has better alarm all the inhabitants till we got to Concord. The young doctor much approved of it and said he would stop with either of us, for the people between that and Concord knew him and would give more credit to what we said.

Prescott completed revere's ride assisted by his brother abel prescott jr. they were the brothers of prescott bush's 3rd g-grandmother.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
2. Best quote from article:
Sat May 19, 2012, 05:45 PM
May 2012

"Whether they honestly believed they'd lucked into the 17th century equivalent of Candyland or were being willfully ignorant about how the land got so tamed, the truth about the presettled wilderness didn't make it into the official account. It's the same reason every extraordinarily lucky CEO of the past 100 years has written a book about leadership. It's always a better idea to credit hard work and intelligence than to acknowledge that you just got luckier than any group of people has ever gotten in the history of the world."

WhoIsNumberNone

(7,875 posts)
14. Here's mine:
Sat May 19, 2012, 08:29 PM
May 2012

"In the realm of personal hygiene, the Europeans out-hippied the Indians by a foul smelling mile."

newspeak

(4,847 posts)
26. I've thought that more than once
Sun May 20, 2012, 01:25 PM
May 2012

most native americans were better at personal hygiene than the europeans. And, most of the europeans thought the native americans were little more than animals because the indians didn't share their world view (and they wanted their land). navajos called mormons the chatter people and the ojibwa called the europeans the beaver people (i'm sure you know why).

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
3. My reaction, in pictures:
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:00 PM
May 2012

Your story is the guy standing up.
[img][/img]
I'm the guy on the ground, after reading this story.

Call me FLOORED. UTTERLY.


4. Funny, I didn't read anywhere about any Christian's making America
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:03 PM
May 2012

and I didn't find "one Nation under god" mentioned anywhere either.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
7. Really fascinating....I'd never heard about the two American natives who landed in Holland in 60 BC.
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:52 PM
May 2012

Love to know more about that story.

Wouldy you consider cross-posting this in the American History group? Its a good read and fits beautifully.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
17. I am somewhat skeptical about that
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:32 PM
May 2012

I had never heard it either. The link on the Cracked site takes you to a book that does not appear to be particularly scholarly. The claim is made without any citations and is preceded by the phrase 'anthropologists conjecture.'

I don't discount the possibility that this could have happened, but I would prefer to see more evidence to take it to the bank.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
18. I've found a book on the general subject of the American discovery of Europe....apparently
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:42 PM
May 2012

due to the currents it would be somewhat easier than the reverse. It refers to "possible" occurences dating as far back as ancient Rome but I've seen nothing concrete. Probably little more than speculation-like Eric von Daniken and Chariots of the Gods back in the 1960's. As an immature teenager I ate that shit up!

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
19. Kind of like Gavin Menzies, who has made a career out of making dubious claims
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:55 PM
May 2012

His first book argued that the Chinese sailed to the west coast of North America in the 1400s. His next book argued that they went to Italy and sparked the Renaissance a couple decades later.

His latest book is about . . . wait for it . . . Atlantis.

Few respected historians take him very seriously.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
20. I'm ashamed to admit I included references to Von Daniken in my high school senior thesis on the...
Sun May 20, 2012, 12:22 AM
May 2012

demise of the Maya. My teacher was unimpressed with him but liked my work overall.

I will admit to being impressed with current speculation that the Greek island Santorini was really "Atlantis". From what I've seen, there is a possibly valid case to be made.

 

bupkus

(1,981 posts)
9. We were taught the "settlers" conquered barbarians
Sat May 19, 2012, 07:42 PM
May 2012

When it was the other way around. Barbarians conquered indigenous people.

Once again, capitalism destroys civilization.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
12. Long read....worth every minute.
Sat May 19, 2012, 08:14 PM
May 2012

Although I was aware of some of the facts in this article, most were a surprise...well, not a surprise since nothing surprises me about the lies we were taught. All to save face.

Best quote is a caption to a picture: "That is the sea. I would suggest that you use it to take a bath, you smell like the inside of my asshole."

And I just love that the Iroquis Confederation was apparently the rough draft for the Constitution.

Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
25. great article, and everything i already knew. thank you my almost-NA Studies minor. :)
Sun May 20, 2012, 04:51 AM
May 2012

it's an extremely fascinating story, and I think the mythologies we feed our children to give them a sanitized version of history and life -- to avoid uncomfortable questions -- has been a great disservice. first of all, it lies to kids. second, it often seems so pat and uninteresting it fosters resentment and a lifelong disinterest in history for so many people. third, it provides ludicrously easy answers to "life, the universe, and everything" leading to a coarsening of discourse and arming authoritarian personalities with a security blanket to shut out the hard truths of the world.

seriously, since when did Cracked go from 70s juvenilia to erudite and educational satire? something really good happened along the way.

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