"I had a Sarah Palin button on backpack" Who is BLMS's Marissa "Johnson" Jenae?

[Blue State Bandit]

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It's said that if you decide to act above reproach, you had better be above reproach. It seems that Marissa "Johnson" Jenae did not heed this warning. A photo posted by Jenae to her FB page (Linked) in which she stated "This woman has known me since high school, back when I had a Sarah Palin button on backpack....we been thru a lot."

Alone, we can surmise that she may have made a few questionable choices in her youth. OK, she was young, but Palin was a candidate for VP running against the first black president. But when I read down a little further, my benefit of the doubt limit had been reached.

"GOP shoulda groomed me right then...now they gotta see me on the other side *shrugs*"

For real? It's like that? This wasn't 8 years, or even 4 years ago. She posted that last month. So my question is, what kinda grooming would it have taken?

If you're going to accuse white liberals of racism, and target the only presidential candidate, U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders with a 40 year track record of standing up for #BlackLivesMatter you might not want people to know that "I had a Sarah Palin button on my backpack" or admit that the GOP could have "groomed you more". Because now you look disingenuous at best, and an agent provocateur at worse.#FeelTheBern #BlackLivesMatter2Bernie #SarahPalinButtonReally #BLMjoinBernie #NativeAmericanLivesMatter #Ismellcointelpro

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https://twitter.com/ExtraSolarGroup/status/630475790539292672

Wow, very humbling. I've been here 10 years and this is the first time I have ever made to top of the trending page. I just wish it was for something a little more lighthearted.
Thank you all.

[Shandris]

1. (Edited Post Title): So this whole Sanders/BLM thing...

...was founded by a paid agent up for sale?

It's like Gamergate all over again. Better hope the media was bought FOR our side or this is going to be a long election.

[Blue State Bandit]

4. I'm not saying that the BLM movement is at fault here...

but they should know this is comming out, and they should get ahead of this now, before any more damage is done.

[uhnope]

199. She's also some kind of Fundamentalist/extremist Christian or something

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027060520

[merrily]

320. Not necessarily. No fundie I've ever met would post "scandalous shit" and "the cross" in the same

breath. I am not saying she isn't a fundie, but I am saying there is more than one way to interpret those words.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

11. She's not a founder of the movement. nt

[villager]

29. No, but there's always a question of who, from the other side, finds their way into a movement,

especially a progressive movement, if it's on the cusp of threatening success.

And who benefits the most from a circular firing squad on the left?

[navarth]

111. Y'know, I've been wondering what Ron Christie is up to nowadays..

....I also wonder if he and James 'Booger' O'Keefe exchange xmas cards. Maybe I'm way out on a limb here, but one wonders at times like this.

[Hortensis]

357. A minority rights movement usually draws from across the political spectrum, but I'm completely in

synch with your last statement. The aggressively confrontational and rejectionary nature of these attacks has social conservative hostility all over it. Fortunately, many Black Lives Matter members are not barn-burners, angry as they be, and good luck to them.

[HooptieWagon]

108. She co-founded the Seattle Chapter.

It would appear she doesn't give a shit about the movement, is just persuing her own personal power-trip. she's getting paid, BLM rank and file getting played. Looks like the beginning of the end.

[Shandris]

153. This was what I had heard too (about founding)...

...but I just read something on the front page that might call that into doubt. My posts intent wasn't so much about WHO it was as it was further disgust that yet another online movement is so readily coopted. It's been a recurring theme over the past year, year and a half.

Even if they had nothing more than a one-day facebook page, that's all it takes for the media to latch it's narrative. And once that narrative is set, it takes a force of nature to get it to change its course.

[7962]

246. Cant happen soon enough

Then maybe we ALL can move forward to trying to end abusive cops who abuse ALL races

[merrily]

321. Before or after donations to BLM got to a hefty sum?

[senz]

158. She's a power hungry publicity seeker who copies Sarah Palin's speaking style.

[George II]

55. Where do we see that?

And I think it's a little presumptuous to start assuming that one sentence, a vague one at that, pulled out of all that is on that site explains that woman's motives.

And, this is off-topic - it should be in GD - P.

[RiffRandell]

96. You are wrong as it does belong in GD.

She is involved in a current event.

There are at least 10 posts on the first page of DU on this topic.

[BeanMusical]

230. And you are defending her because...?

That's a rhetorical question BTW.

[bravenak]

386. Damn! I remember this!

[brush]

95. Who said this woman founded BLM? Let's not jump to hasty conclusions

Seems she latched onto the moniker and is using it for whatever her reasons are.

BLM grew organically out of the Ferguson protests, and all the other killings of unarmed blacks in the last year.

We all know this. We've watched it happen.

We should not be so willing to discredit a legitimate protest movement because one seemingly unstable person who may be an agent provocateur even, takes it upon herself to do stage a disruptive act.

We have people with sense here.

We all should know that something is fishy, especially when nothing is done against the repugs where there should be protests.

[notadmblnd]

117. +1000

[Shandris]

154. Yeah, my post is updated to reflect the change.

When I said 'Founder' I had meant for Seattle ONLY, not nationwide, and I did a terrible job of expressing that. And now I understand even that may have been disinformation, so I removed reference to it in my original post. Mea culpa.

[sulphurdunn]

342. The willingness

to self-correct is one reason I love this site.

[BlueMTexpat]

311. My take is that she is some kind

of agent provacateur, independent of BLM itself.

Like Palin, she's looking for her 15 minutes.

[demmiblue]

2. WTF...is this for real?!

[TheBlackAdder]

3. This can't be for real, can it?

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I'm waiting for more analysis, but if true... WOW!

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[Blue State Bandit]

5. I wish it wasn't.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207319053157888&set=p.10207319053157888&type=1&pnref=story


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153120406135749&set=a.10150208770840749.312929.753920748&type=1&theater

[840high]

166. Wow.

[still_one]

178. I don't doubt what you are saying, but I need a source better than Facebook or twitter.

[jeff47]

283. That's _HER_ facebook. It's her own words. There is no better source than her own words. (nt)

[still_one]

298. I know. However, I want someone to interview her, and ask her, or a reliable independent source

about it. There is something bizarre about this whole affair that doesn't make sense.

There are a lot of unanswered questions.

1. Does the national BLM organization confirm her participation in the organization, and do they subscribe to the philosophy she subscribes on her social media pages.

2. Confirm from her directly that this is her face book/twitter comments. If it is then how can she support Palin, and at the same time profess that Black Lives Matter. At the same time she also seems to subscribes to the views of Malcom X, which seem at best contradictory putting Palin and Malcom X in the same frame of admiration.

3. Is this part of a dirty trick scheme? If it is, it sure is not done in a very clever way, especially with her seemingly contradictory remarks on her social media pages.

In other words, this story should not just end with the MSM reporting that she is from the Seattle division of BLM, and that is all there is to know. It isn't. There are a lot of unknown question.

While I am not holding my breath that the MSM will pursue actual investigative journalism, I do think there are enough progressive reporters that should be able to fill in the blanks.

[jeff47]

301. Why would an interview be better?

This is what she said "in private". This is the information that interviews are supposed to try and dig out through the spin and lies in the interview.

There is something bizarre about this whole affair that doesn't make sense.

There has been a long-term effort to break African Americans from the Democratic party through religion. Blacks are more religious than the Democratic average. So Republicans have been trying to use their religious fundamentalism to get blacks to support Republicans instead of Democrats.

And she's on-board with that plan - at a minimum, with the "split from the Democrats" part. That isn't confusing at all.

1. Does the national BLM organization confirm her participation in the organization, and do they subscribe to the philosophy she subscribes on her social media pages.

AFAIK, they have made no statements. But BLM is a "leaderless" group like OWS. Anyone can stand up and say "I'm BLM!!". They do not need national approval before they start.

2. Confirm from her directly that this is her face book/twitter comments.

It was found by following the facebook page to Seattle BLM that she provided in her press release on the event. The same person created this personal page, and the Seattle BLM page in her press release.

The facebook page also has a long posting history. If the goal was to discredit this woman, the effort would have required years of work. Why would this particular unknown-until-now woman merit years of work?

3. Is this part of a dirty trick scheme? If it is, it sure is not done in a very clever way, especially with her seemingly contradictory remarks on her social media pages.

Not an organized one. From her complaints about not being groomed by the GOP, it looks like she was freelancing in the hopes that it lands her paid gigs.

[BlueMTexpat]

313. Attention is what she wants. eom

[merrily]

319. Her words and her photo on her facebook page.

I've rarely seen anyone on DU requiring the level of verification you are requiring.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

329. Progressive reporters don't get airtime.

[still_one]

333. They have websites and blogs

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

337. You think that is on equal footing with cable news? Those are church's with choir practice.

[still_one]

338. Democracy Now with Amy Goodman, and others. Have a good day

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

339. I know who they all are. Have a pleasant evening.

[demmiblue]

6. Yeah, I originally recced this thread, but I took it back.

I want to see more proof. Weird.

[Blue State Bandit]

8. I posted the link to her FB page.

Seeing it for yourself is the only way to believe it.

[TheBlackAdder]

20. Same glasses. Same name. Link in the #2's page to that name. Hmmm. nt

[tblue37]

129. And several replies from Mara Willaford, who shared the stage with her in Seattle. nt

[haikugal]

7. This from the link...

"The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way. The liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro’s friend and benefactor, and by winning the friendship and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political football game.

Politically the American Negro is nothing but a football, and the white liberals control this mentally dead ball. Through tricks of tokenism and false promises, and they have the willing cooperation of Negro leaders. These leaders sell out our people for just a few crumbs of token recognition and token gains" -MALCOLM X

If you are stanning for Bernie Sanders and are upset that he got shut down but you haven't been putting the same passion behind Black Lives you really need to reevaluate more than your political party.
‪#‎BernieSanders‬ ‪#‎BlackLivesMatter‬

— with Mara Jacqueline and Marissa

So who is this person, really. I don't think she's a liberal or progressive...much less a democrat...

Reading more at the link she looks like a faith warrior.

[onecaliberal]

9. Her Facebook page says it all.... She's not a liberal or Dem

[haikugal]

10. She's a fundy.

[onecaliberal]

12. Clearly... Wonder who paid them?

[haikugal]

14. I don't care...

However this is pure sleaze.

[onecaliberal]

15. Indeed. We still need to know who's behind it.

[hifiguy]

21. I doubt it's the Repukes

They are in meltdown/FUBAR/clusterfuck mode because of Trump.

It's clearly a ratfuck/dirty trick straight out of the Atwater-Rove playbook.

My bet would be the DNC or someone who is closely associated, though not formally with, HRH's campaign.

[Ed Suspicious]

48. I would not doubt for an instant that it's a shell game. A little misdirection that is the whole

Trump implosion story line.

Maybe.

[restorefreedom]

67. i would suspect dws

but she is not bright enough to pull is off

plus there will be several layers in between as not to get anyone who matters' hands dirty

[hifiguy]

70. Hers was a name that flitted immediately into my mind.

And it's being done at a remove of at least a couple of degrees.

[restorefreedom]

74. she is almost frantic about getting hillary the nom

i really worry that the few debates there are are going to be messed with somehow.

[PatrickforO]

196. Oh you bet! Stupid 'gotcha' questions that avoid anything like the real issues.

[arcane1]

227. At minimum, we know damn well Sanders will get a "why do black people hate you" debate question

"Mission accomplished"

[Stardust]

228. And don't forget the Superdelegates.

[cstanleytech]

75. It doesnt have to be the politicians it can be the ones who fund them like the Koch brothers

for example, they could do such a thing as could any number of PACs that have been setup by the ultra wealthy over the past few years because the truth is a liberal democrat scares the shit out of them.

[backscatter712]

125. Not all of the right wing is throwing pies at each other.

Perhaps the Koch brothers instigated this, or Sheldon Adelson. The real money-men. There's plenty of right wing front groups out there, fed with dark money, that have the willingness and means to do this sort of ratfucking.

[MissDeeds]

177. 'Question everything and doubt nothing'

I learned that from my cultural anthropology professor years ago. All bets are off in this primary. The Clinton machine will not suffer a second defeat without one hell of a fight. It's going to get ugly.

[hifiguy]

186. Eeyup, and the utter ruthlessness of the Clintons

is a long-established matter of record.

[passiveporcupine]

202. I"m really tired of Hillary being blamed for this

Until and if there is ever proof of her participation, can we please just leave her the fuck out of it?

Jeezus...and I don't even like her, but this is ridiculous!

[nikto]

240. Your "Ratfuck-Detector" is working well, sir

You nailed it.

Now we all gotta' go out and spread the word.

[LiberalLovinLug]

328. There are still a few Repukes that can chew gum and spit at the same time

KKKarl Rove being one.

The GOP have a vast machine, fed by billions of super pac money. I'm sure they can easily dedicate a portion of their work load to this angle, especially as it seems to be working. I for one am kind of astonished just how much support this obvious troll is getting on DU.

[zeemike]

128. We are never likely to know.

Only stupid people leave a trail you can follow...amitures. We are dealing with people who know how it is done with plausible deny ability.

[brett_jv]

318. Given how incredibly lax in general our media has become ...

not to mention it's reticence to criticize anything GOP for fear of being called 'the liberal media' or pissing off TPTB ... I'd say if you combine that w/the average American's short attention span and memory ... achieving 'plausibly deniability' is a VERY low hurdle.

Nobody in the mainstream media will doing any hard-hitting exposes on this subject, that's for damn sure.

[zeemike]

335. I don't really blame the individual reporter so much

They have nice jobs and they know full well if they don't tow the line they will be flipping burgers for a living.
The only solution is to make the MSM obsolete and that is happing to an extent as people find new sources for entertainment and news. I know I have cut the cable and never intend to go back.
The only question is, is how long before the PTB decide they want to control that too.

[dreamnightwind]

22. I certainly care

Get to the bottom of it...

[haikugal]

23. Do we need to know in order to refute it? I don't think so...

It would be nice to know but we're busy organizing. It will come out eventually, or sooner, but I know these attacks are dirty tricks and those accusing are trying to slime. BLM lost cred but I still support the raising of awareness and working together to make the changes necessary.

[dreamnightwind]

25. It's a very small minority (myself included) that sees it as dirty tricks

and if we can get to where it's coming from it's extremely important to do so.

No reason to stop organizing or to in any way give less support to issues that help POC.

Also no reason to put a damper on efforts to get to the bottom of it, we would all benefit by knowing, well maybe not the people behind it, we'll see.

[haikugal]

27. Agree 100%...

[TheBlackAdder]

52. A dirty trick that cost 10K people time, money, the Sander's campaign & Police.

.

This is grand scale damage/loss of money.

.

[dreamnightwind]

164. Even bigger is the press

One poster from Seattle (don't recall who) said the local news coverage after the events, which included the later 15,000 person rally, was all about the BLM disruption, nothing about Sanders' massive popular appeal or his message. That sucks.

[onecaliberal]

345. The sad thing is they are self appointed BLM

And they're republicans, but I'm sure that was left out as well.

[Blue State Bandit]

26. It's my hope that BLM and Bernie squash this post haste

before they actually do lose cred. The longer this hangs out, the worse this will get. I posted this to FB and Twitter in the hopes that this can be aired out and fixed as soon as possible.

[virtualobserver]

58. it doesn't have to be like that -wouldn't a religious Sarah Palin fan want to attack liberals?

[jeff47]

285. She appears to be doing this herself, in the hopes it results in a paying gig. (nt)

[Warren DeMontague]

113. Lotta fundies play the "Your liberals arent liberal enough or are the wrong kind of liberal" game

They think they're being sly and clever, but if you're pushing, say, Rick Santorum's agenda, It doesnt matter if you call yourself a soooper-doooper progressive warrior, does it.

[haikugal]

116. No indeed...call it anything they want it's still crapola.

[bravenak]

364. This kinda stuff is why I made stopping Bernie one of my goals of the year.

I love going back and reminding myself why I support Hillary. Look at how everybody jumped on this lady about her religion! Tsk tsk tsk! Until the end of Jim Crow, all we HAD was the church. To congregate, and they still found us there. Laxk of understanding of black history. Google what I jus told you about blacks and church and see if I'm wrong. Radical Christians are like MLK and Reverend Wright, not like whatever fundies you thinking about.
When I saw so many normal folks jump on the anti BLM thing? Uh unh. Y'all were wrong in what you did here. And you know it.

[Warren DeMontague]

365. not sure why you picked my post, in particular, to dredge this thread up.

I mean, you know who Rick Santorum is, right?

Why would you think defending Rick Santorum's agenda is a good idea?

[bravenak]

366. Because you are sane enough to get exactly what I mean about blacks and slavery and christianity.

I mean really. Read this thread now with a clear head and tell me why every black person I show it to takes against Bernie most violently. It is shocking how easy it is to turn a convo to politics and whip this bad boy out and get black folks away from Bernie. I just use this one and a few of the other and boom, done. I think I might need to ask Hillary for a job. For pay. Working for the free ain't even cool if there ain't no love there.

I mean really. Y'all should all go back and read yourselves. I didn't pick you cause you were the worst. The opposite, really.

[Warren DeMontague]

367. Well, okay... thanks, I guess.

I'm reminded of the line from a song; "We were once so close to heaven- Peter came out and gave us medals, declaring us the nicest of the damned"



I do get what you're saying, but I'm sure you get what I'm saying as well when I say that it still doesn't mean Ben Carson gets a free pass on being a fundamentalist anti-choice whack-a-doo who thinks Joseph built the pyramids for grain storage.

Given the evidence of not just "church" but both Right-wing fundamentalism AND a history of supporting the GOP, it certainly seemed reasonable to ask if this person was acting - deliberately disrupting a left-leaning Democrat- on behalf of the religious right.

I'm not sure where you're drawing your lines, frankly. I'm of the opinion that people should decide which candidate to support based upon the policy positions of that candidate, but YMMV.

If you're running around town stumping for Hillary with DU threads, hey, congratulations. Whatever makes ya happy. I hope you've got a good battery in your laptop, or ipad. Please don't tell me you make people read this shit on your phone.

[MH1]

265. Mara Willaford's page is also interesting.

I originally thought this was her, but it is apparently from a friend, but at the top of her page, with lots of likes.

https://www.facebook.com/mara.willaford

https://www.facebook.com/shonpunk/posts/10152998798928456?fref=nf

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Ok, in response to a heavy stream of responses to yesterday's action, I'm going to try to break this down.
I'm an anarchist and I'm not going to vote for any of the presidential candidates. If in your view that means I don't have a place to say anything on this, then don't bother reading the rest of this or commenting, because obviously there's no reason for us to have a conversation. (I'll delete if you try since after decades I'm pretty bored with it.)

.....

BLM really shouldn't want to be aligned with anarchists. It is one thing to not endorse a party or candidate. But anarchy is not what most people of color want. At least not the ones I know. What POC want is a system of justice that works fairly for them. The current system is very frustrating, tragically frustrating, failing and abusing them, but they don't want it all "burned down" and replaced with anarchy. Only an insane and/or immature punk with no concept of reality (or no concern for other people) really wants anarchy.

[brett_jv]

326. Right-wing think-tanks WET DREAM right here ...

S'pose she also has logos saying "New Black Panther Party" all over her page as well?

These 'ladies' really couldn't BE more friggin' obvious shills/agent provocateurs.

Ooooh ... LOOK EVERYONE!!! SCARY BLACK ANARCHISTS!!! Ooogity-Boogity!!!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

331. I was so perplexed with the way she spoke - she sounded like a RWNJ.

Now it all makes sense. She is a VERY ANGRY person with a RWNJ personality. I question whether she really gives a rats ass about the BLM movement. Like most Republicans, she's only looking out for herself.

[BillZBubb]

16. If she believes that Malcolm X quote after all these years,

she is no friend of Democrats. In fact, she is an enemy.

[haikugal]

19. It's apparent to me that you are correct.

[Dwayne Hicks]

137. It's a no brainer

She is obviously some right wing shill.

[d_r]

37. That's a conservative trope

That liberals "gives" African American folks "welfare" to keep black folks dependant on them.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

86. Yep. "Keeping black people on the Democratic plantation"...

classic Ingraham, among others.

[romanic]

87. This right here.

Is Black Nationalistic extremism. the use of the word "Negro" and "sell out" make it obvious.

[jwirr]

156. I saw that. Both her writing and her actions are ones of hate and anger. And her anger is not just

toward white people but her words are extremely insulting to black people as well.

[sabrina 1]

88. I'm beginning to believe what I thought was not worth considering, that this could be

a Rovian effort to divide the Dem Party to the point where whoever wins the nomination, the infighting will leave so many scars, neither one will get the support of the other as usually happens.

They have been asked why they have not gone after Republicans but have not answered that question. Beginning to see why.

The real movement against Police Brutality is made up of people who protested in Ferguson who then went under the title BLM.

A Sarah Palin fan. She sounds bitter that the Right didn't appreciate her enough and now she's going to show them just how good she is at going after 'White Liberals'.

I hope she doesn't turn people away from the Ferguson protesters. In fact that might even by the goal.

[PatrickforO]

195. Wow. That quote's the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.

Damn!

I DON'T WANT POWER.

ALL I WANT IS ENOUGH. AND I WANT OUR SOCIETY ORGANIZED SO EVERYONE IN THE WORLD ALSO HAS ENOUGH.

[7962]

247. Thats pretty much what those on the right say. nt

[azurnoir]

332. she's not she's a self described "Radical Christian Mullatanist" her Twitter page LSF Thot

Radical Christian Mullatanist. Full time agitator. Lifetime lover of black people. Co-founder of Black Lives Matter Seattle.

https://twitter.com/rissaoftheway

[Malraiders]

13. That would explain where and when she learned the tactics used against Sanders. eom

[Eleanors38]

17. "GOP shoulda groomed me right then...". They didn't, so...

[HooptieWagon]

127. Too batshit crazy for the republicans?

Yea, I'd say so.

[ladyVet]

349. I'm pretty sure there is no one too batshit crazy for the Republicans.

I mean, have you seen their candidates? Trump is performing above expectations, but it's been the same outrageous, needs-to-be-locked-up kind of thing for the last three or four elections, and they get worse every time.

I said on another thread that to see why this happened, follow the line to see who benefits. I doubt any sane BLM supporter wants this kind of thing linked to them. It will turn people against them, make people wonder what the group is really about, and it takes the focus off the issue of how blacks are treated (and all people of color as well) in our society.

So it makes one wonder, what is the point of assaulting someone like Bernie, who has the support of so many liberals? Remember, liberals are only wanted until their votes are counted, and then we are supposed to sit down and shut up.

[HooptieWagon]

350. As far as candidates and voters, true.

As far as activists and operatives, I think they'd still be looking for people who are loyal, reliable, and competent. Johnson is a loose cannon, out for herself, not an organization. GOP probably took one look at her and labelled her toxic. She'll probably find the same reaction from most all prospective employers.

[pa28]

18. I suppose that leads to the question. Who is grooming her now since the GOP wouldn't have her?

Seems like they were her first choice.

[dreamnightwind]

24. I rec'd for the purpose of drawing attention to this

Not sure what to make of it yet, but if these people are going to hijack my candidate, I have a right to know who they are.

[haikugal]

30. ^^^^THIS^^^^

[dragonfly301]

32. I did as well

Whoever is behind this - just managed to throw shade and discourse on Bernie, Hillary and BLM all at the same time and also throw liberal blogs such as DU and DKos into turmoil.

[Blue State Bandit]

34. Major shade indeed.

Welcome to the discussion.

[dragonfly301]

36. thx!

I was trying to sit on the sidelines but found I could lurk no longer

[dgibby]

61. Bingo!

I have been thinking the same thing, was actually toying with starting a thread, but you nailed it. I'm guessing that whoever's behind this has very deep pockets and is very high up in the food chain. Don't know if the Kochs &/or their ilk are behind it or not, but they have the most to lose from a Sanders presidency, imo, and I certainly wouldn't put it past them or the Roves of this world.

It's important for all the entities you mentioned to find out who's behind this asap. Obviously, whoever it is has a need to disparage all involved and divide and conquer. If I were Hillary and BLM, I'd disavow this in a New York minute.

[roguevalley]

84. only one person benefits from this ... hillary

[Mc Mike]

98. The repugs benefit also.

This puts progressives, blue collar, women, and civil rights people in vituperative fights with each other, and all are dem constituencies. It sure seems like a ploy the opposition would try.

The point of the op is that the woman seems a lot like a repug.

[840high]

168. Yes.

[jeff47]

286. No, GOP benefits greatly.

They'll have a much easier time running against Clinton, and events like this help fracture the Democrats.

Candidate with 40 years of oppo research + low favorability + fractured party = loss.

[Locrian]

245. absolutely this ^^^

As Bernie gets more and more exposure, there WILL be some very powerful attempts to take him down.

Clinton, Kerry, Dean, etc, etc.... all subjects of well orchestrated attacks. Bernie will be attacked by not only the GOP but the establishment hoping to get one of their bought and payed robots.

[LittleBlue]

28. Aaaaand there it is

Smelled fishy from the start.

[4lbs]

31. Take as many snapshots and such of the Facebook page. Methinks a large wiping of posts is in the

near future.

Maybe even a closing of the account....

[appalachiablue]

46. Definitely.

[hifiguy]

54. Someone should grab some screencaps before the site disappears

and post them here to enlighten her blind, deaf and dumb defenders.

I don't know how to screencap or I would.

[yuiyoshida]

221. its easy

do a print screen. Than go to "paint" and click on paste. You can use paint to edit its size. You can then either store or use IMgUR.com to upload it.

[brett_jv]

324. Should add that 'doing a print screen' means ...

Hitting either Ctrl (holding it down) and then hitting the key labeled 'PrtScn' to do a full-screen grab, or Alt (holding it down) and then hitting the key labeled 'PrtScn' to do a grab of whatever app has the 'focus' on your screen at the time (in this case you'd want that to be your browser).

That puts the contents of the screen into the 'copy/paste' buffer. You then can open any sort of photo editor like MS Paint or Photoshop or whatnot, and hit Ctrl-V to paste the screen image into a 'new' document in that application.

Then hit 'save' and choose to save as some compressed format like gif or jpg (so it's not a huge file).

[cascadiance]

229. If you are on a Mac, there's a 'Grab' utility that lets you do screenshots...

... of windows, or parts that you select of your screen...

[Android3.14]

33. Recced for visibility and to invite confirmation

That's some serious shit there. Just who is running this operation?

[Blue State Bandit]

35. attempting to repost a collage of her FB posts/pics

and apparently, it's still not working.

[peacebird]

42. I was able to tweet it

[peacebird]

38. Marissa Jennae also started a hashtag #BowDownBernie

I said before, will say again, if&when BLM takes on Hillary or the R's running for President then I might believe these attacks on Bernie are not a partisan swiftboat effort

[Aerows]

191. Screaming at a Jewish man

whose family members died in the holocaust and that he has no idea of the oppression that minorities can encounter and endure.

There is wtf and then there is WTF?

[Fast Walker 52]

249. exactly-- they had already picked a very wrong target to be upset at

and now this. Fucked up!

[MissDeeds]

39. Who in the MSM will cover this

Other than perhaps Rachel? This needs to be exposed. Damn this is dirty.

[appalachiablue]

51. My thoughts exacty- for everyone's sake MSM must report on this broadly & Now

[glinda]

83. Rachael has not been reporting much on sensitive topics lately. Most coverage is of Conservatives.

That and when they throw her meat of LGBT issues.(which definitely need covering but....) It is sad. I wish she could leave and work elsewhere with all the rest of them that have lost their jobs.

[appalachiablue]

97. Rachel is compromised by the network I realize. But this is a truth which caused much

division, hard feelings, and damage for many involved and it can be addressed effectively in the media. Apart from Rachel in MSM there's Cenk Uyghur with TYT, Thom Hartmann, Amy Goodman, Mike Papantonio, Ed Schultz and others in broadcast, and many more writers and contributors at online alterative news sites, thank goodness.

As to Rachel, she's so intelligent, knows what she's doing and a thought came to me the other day that she will return to progressive media someday not far off and not to worry. I really believe that.

[glinda]

102. I hope so and help lead it.

[tblue37]

150. Maybe Chris Hayes, too. nt

[appalachiablue]

152. Could be, he's very bright but limited by the network right now. His plutocrat book received

very good reviews a few years ago. Maybe we'll see him in another, more open forum some time.

[Enthusiast]

262. Yes, Rachel is compromised by the network. MSNBC is compromised.

That is why I boycott MSNBC. Maybe the intelligent Rachel will manage to slip in an nugget of truth now and again, I hope.

I hope to return to viewing MSNBC someday when they return to real, uncorrupted news and opinion.

[TheBlackAdder]

118. MSNBC is a compromised and untrustworthy network right now.

.


Any links or references I see from them, watching their programs, I must now preprocess to see what angle they are presenting the information. I never used to have to do that, but they have become another political arm of the Conservatives.

Rachel and Lawrence are muzzled, Ed is gone, that buffoon Chuck Todd is replacing him.

They are pushing that floundering Joe Scarborough and Chuck Todd on the other programs.


==


I actually stayed with FOX News after the debates, before turning to The Daily Show, because MSNBC was unwatchable!

I have NEVER said that before.

[Blue State Bandit]

144. I know. It's like 20 Hillary's, 20 Trumps and 5 per Bush/Walker/Rubio to one Bernie name drop since

Ed left.

[Stardust]

231. There's definitely a Bernie blackout on msnbc now. And Melissa Harris Perry didn't mention

the BLM disruption. Very strange. I'm trying to wean myself from msnbc, find alternative on the web. I really admire Chris Hayes, Rachel, Lawrence, MHP, Joy Reid, but this devolution is so painful.

[roguevalley]

104. i am blasting it on twitter. I think it will be around the world in about

five minutes now.

[haikugal]

123. Good job! Thanks! nt

[840high]

169. Thank you!

[MissDeeds]

172. Excellent idea

Unfortunately, since the MSM is owned by corporations, it's going to be up to Bernie supporters to get information like this out.

[yuiyoshida]

222. I have tweeted it as well

[PADemD]

170. Thom Hartmann and/or Amy Goodman

[appalachiablue]

266. +1,000 Those programs we regularly watch on FSTV (the Free Speech TV Channel) on Dish TV

plus ROF, "Ring of Fire" with Mike Papantonio and others. Best education out there. If out of town we watch them online live at freespeech.org, democracynow.com or thomhartmann.com which has videos of his 1-hr. evening TV program, "The Big Picture" aired M-F, 7 & 10PM ET on RT News (Russia Today) on Dish and Direct also.

MSNBC is a lost cause now, a real shame since talent like Ed S., Joy Reid, even The Cycle group who've been let go. Their daytime programming is all Trump, and Joe Scar am, no comment. Big ED still does an online program, *wegoted.com.

[brentspeak]

40. Clear from the start that dirty tricks was the reason for the disruptions n/t

[AlbertCat]

276. 40. Clear from the start that dirty tricks was the reason for the disruptions

I've been posting that all this was a false GOP meme from the start.... Back when they noticed there were a lot of white folks in VT and NH.

I kept asking why BLM and their supporters kept championing Right Wing lying talking points.

I got called a racist or too stupid to understand. (still happening)

Why hasn't BLM done this to Hillary?

Why haven't they done it to any of the GOP candidates?

Why doesn't BLM just organize a forum and invite all the Dems to talk about it.... no disruptions allowed?

It all seemed fishy.... and now we see IT IS.

GOP operatives and fundigelicals.... going after the Jew. Very fishy indeed.

BLM needs to mitigate this by having an official event with the candidates. Will they?

Is Clinton involved? I dunno. But she sure isn't doing anything to squelch the lies and GOP talking points.

When is BLM going after her? When are they going after the GOP line up? BLM is being used.

When emotional subjects like race and religion enter, all logic flies out the window. Anyone trying to step back and get an assessment is attacked and ridiculed.

[JackInGreen]

41. I'm afraid

This will be taken as the worst kind of opposition research. I do however think it's important were activism happens representing or attacking people that would gladly engage in dialogue, we know if the individual actually represents the movement they claim. Rec'd on that basis.
If true I'm not sure how damming it is of the #blacklivesmatter movement, or if there's any such thing as bad press for this young lady within the greater cultural paradigm. I do know however that from what I see on facebook, twitter, and my families pages (interracial extended), she's being saluted for her balls but asked where she put her common sense.

[Blue State Bandit]

65. I don't want BLM to be damaged by this. This is not my intention.

She put herself in this position. She is doing damage to her own movement. The fact that she still hasn't scrubbed her page yet is a testament to her lack of understanding of what the consequences of her actions would be.

This is like the Anti-Gay GOP'er getting caught with a male prostitute. I just hope BLM moves quickly to remedy this situation. And Bernie needs to, and has shown, that he has BLM's best interests in mind.

[appalachiablue]

148. No, I also don't want BLM to be damaged, this is of much to concen to them I think.

Exploiting their critical issues and work is despicable.

Your last comment reminded me of the older man with some RW Family Xian group who was seen travelling through Miami Airport with Rentboy some years ago! Bizzaro-

[JackInGreen]

289. Trust me that's the last thing I want

Hence the importance of bringing to light her less honorable motivations if they're present (and it really looks like they're present). I think #BLM could benefit from this though, given public reaction in general and media where it's mentioned, it's a great example of what NOT to do.

[shaayecanaan]

43. The disruptor at Netroots was a bit of an interesting character as well

While her social-justice creds can't be criticized, her leadership skills are stained by the fact that she once severely betrayed the trust of an employer.

While working as the business manager for the Arizona Citizens for the Arts/Arizona Action for the Arts in 2007 and 2008, a job she includes in her online résumé, Oso issued checks to herself, made unauthorized withdrawals and made personal charges on the organization's credit card. The theft occurred over the course of a year and totaled about $11,000, court records show.

Oso had walked off the job in May 2008 without explanation "after being counseled about absences and performance-related issues," records state. She was fired after she failed to show up for work for three days, and the embezzlement was apparently discovered soon afterward.

Twenty-seven at the time, Oso confessed to court officials that she used the money to pay rent, make car payments, and "stabilize her financial situation."

She pleaded guilty to one count of felony theft.

Brenda Sperduti, the organization's former executive director, told officials that the arts group, which depends on donations for its survival, "had to win back the trust of donors after this." But Sperduti also asked for leniency for Oso.

Oso was sentenced to three days in jail and two years' probation. She struggled in the past few years to pay off a $11,276 restitution order — to her credit, she finally paid it off entirely last year. After she completed her probation successfully, her felony conviction became a misdemeanor in court files.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/tia-oso-protester-who-interrupted-martin-omalley-is-convicted-embezzler-7505469

[cali]

47. wow. she stole from the non-profit she worked for

in a major and sleazy way.

[shaayecanaan]

71. only when she could be bothered to turn up to work, apparently

welcome to the world of your professional, rent-seeking political activist. They have to do what they do, since no one in their right mind is going to give them an honest job.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

142. Seems as if she could have benefitted from Sanders-style economic justice.

Wonder if this one will blame her felony theft charges on "white supremacist liberals"?

[shaayecanaan]

161. I think she could benefit more from a job on the Sanders-style payroll

Just to illustrate, Hillary intends to spend $2 billion on this campaign. That amounts to a fuckload of fingers in a fuckload of pies:-

NetRoots bills itself as “the largest gathering of the progressive movement” in this country. Unless you think the Democratic party IS the progressive movement, or that all “progressives” are Democrats, this is nonsense. I know, I've been to NetRoots.

What it actually is, is the largest gathering of paid and wannabe paid Democratic party activists, Democratic candidates and Democratic campaign managers, of consultants and vendors to Democratic campaigns, and folks of all kinds who are part of the far-flung partisan and ostensibly “non-partisan” machinery that gears up every even numbered year to elect Democrats to local, state and national office. Some of them want to change the Democratic party from within, some of them want to take it as it is, but they're all committed to staying inside the Democratic tent, and to keeping you there as well.

If you're a black Democratic party activist like I was for 25 years, even if like me, you never called yourself that, you go to NetRoots to connect with other Democratic party activists, and hopefully, with the people who will be handing out grassroots money, among other things, to get out the Big Black Vote in November, without which Democrats on every level have no hope of winning.

High ranking Democrats who hand out money, whether through partisan campaigns or to ostensibly nonpartisan and/or nonprofit organizations are always on the lookout for new activist blood with catchy new hooks, for activists who'll say the things they will not say in the effort to turn out the black masses for that Big Black Vote. So if you're a black activist at NetRoots you really NEED to stand out, to get noticed by the people who can give you fellowships, grants, jobs, funding of all kinds, and a career.

Since Hillary is the all but inevitable Democratic nominee, confronting two minor white male candidates, demanding they “say her name” and come up with solutions that address white supremacy, structural racism and the runaway police state is pretty much a foolproof strategy to get noticed, and as Hillary did not attend NetRoots, they got to do it without antagonizing the Clinton camp. Hillary wisely covered her own ass by releasing a tweet that unequivocally said “black lives DO matter.”

http://www.blackagendareport.com/netroots-nation-confrontation

[WorseBeforeBetter]

213. I don't trust her and wouldn't reward her.

But I'd happily hire someone else who would hopefully bring in that *Big Black Vote.*

[WorseBeforeBetter]

216. Meet Symone Sanders, Bernie's new national press secretary.

Creighton graduate joins Bernie Sanders’ campaign
http://www.omaha.com/news/politics/creighton-graduate-joins-bernie-sanders-campaign/article_79e9e82c-3e4e-11e5-af54-b3ccb43656af.html

?resize=1024%2C712

Bad optics, my tight white ass.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

94. WOW. I had no idea of that.

Thanks for posting.

[Facility Inspector]

270. your white fragility is showing

You're not supposed to be incensed when someone engages in criminal behavior.

[Ichingcarpenter]

44. Another photo of her smugness.

[Generic Other]

64. One more photo

Look under replies to the BLM re-post, someone shows her links to Outside Agitators 206. That would be Seattle's telephone prefix.



This picture seems intended to inflame. The question is to what purpose. It could be a sincere expression of her feelings. Or something she was "groomed" to say.

edit with link: https://www.facebook.com/outsideagitators206?fref=ts

[Ichingcarpenter]

77. So I see her expensive wig's color matches her race baiting t shirt

seems she has a lot of time on her hands and some money to burn too.

Mr. Robot where are you? I'm sure she has more things to reveal and the internet sleuths will find out.

[romanic]

92. One nice thing i can say about the picture

is her braids and dye color are on fleek. Just saying.

[bravenak]

380. Still feel this way? I think you have changed.

[MH1]

208. That's a really ugly photo.

And a hateful t-shirt. Suggesting that the wearer is a hateful person.

[7962]

248. Yeah, she'd get a LOT of support from me wearing bullshit like that

[WorseBeforeBetter]

147. I'm having a reaction to that like I do to Dubya's smirk.

Odd.

[rocktivity]

215. This one's for you, Miss Thang

rocktivity

[bbgrunt]

45. so who believes she WAS groomed and is now

actually carrying out her mission? Triple win: discredit Bernie, Hillary AND BLM.

[stillwaiting]

131. It is DEFINITELY possible. Especially with recent revelations.

Anyone who says otherwise is naive.

Not saying it IS what happened, but it's possible.

[bullwinkle428]

49. Looks like Marissa is the new "backwards B" girl!

#busted

K&R.

[hifiguy]

56. Lordy lu, I remember that one.

A GREAT analogy.

[haikugal]

72. Yes....it is! nt

[yuiyoshida]

225. YESsss...

[Fast Walker 52]

250. haha-- great analogy

[Turn CO Blue]

50. food for thought - a quote she posted on her FB

Here is a quote she has as one of her photos and she posted it June 24. I am trying to absorb this quote, the context of the original author and sentiment of those sharing it currently. But I thought it might offer a glimmer into her mindset (her very young mindset, from photos and observation she was in high school just a few years ago).

The quote is from James Baldwin from an article in Esquire in the July 1960 issue and re-run in 2007:

Northerners indulge in an extremely dangerous luxury. They seem to feel that because they fought on the right side during the Civil War, and won, that they have earned the right merely to deplore what is going on in the South, without taking any responsibility for it; and that they can ignore what is happening in Northern cities because what is happening in Little Rock or Birmingham is worse. Well, in the first place, it is not possible for anyone who has not endured both to know which is "worse." I know Negroes who prefer the South and white Southerners, because "At least there, you haven't got to play any guessing games!" The guessing games referred to have driven more than one Negro into the narcotics ward, the madhouse, or the river.

So my take is this - that those of us whites who say that we "get it" will rarely be just accepted as having "gotten it", that we are indeed not only part of the problem, but that we are more responsible than the actual overt, open racists.

That we are more responsible because we are silently complicit in the racist system, and benefitting from the racist system, all the while feeling smug about our "liberal" credentials and being the ones not only saying we have black friends, but actually having black friends, whether we admit it or not we have a benevolent arrogance about us that we "get it" while not admitting that we are all being so passive, without digging in the back-breaking ditch of making drastic changes -- and this smugness is what does more harm than good. It is more insulting in the long run than the overt racist. And my guess is that occasionally marching/protesting at our convenience is enough to make a dent and bring us street cred as "getting it".

So maybe we should forget about telling anybody that we get it, and just go about the work of fixing the systemic racism, or perhaps we get out of the way until what? I am not sure. I read the demands on the official BLM site, and some of them are the same things everybody would openly want to tackle such as body cams, dash cams, better screening and training of police, stronger auditing, stricter investigations of racial profiling, etc.

The only thing I can say with every earnest feeling from the depths of my heart and mind -- is that I want to get it.

But my problem is my work history and my old Vice President. I like to fix things. My VP had a very long saying and a tough expectation from us all. She would say

Don't come to me with an issue. Don't come to me with an issue and a list of possible solutions. Don't come to me with an issue and an analysis of which solution will work the best. Take the initiative, do not ask permission - come to me only after you have tried two of your best solutions and then show me the data on the incremental changes made with each solution you tried.

But "fixers" like me may be part of the problem. I want to help. I want to march and protest alongside. If I shouldn't want to help, let me know. If I should want to help, but then not help, because helping is less helpful than just supporting from afar, I want to know that too.

[link:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207121360255689&set=a.1074679150513.13056.1332215538&type=3&theater]

link:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207121360255689&set=a.1074679150513.13056.1332215538&type=3&theater

[snagglepuss]

330. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

With people who have adopted a certain outlook nothing you, as a white person, can say that would alter their opinion. It's that way with all fanatics.

[hifiguy]

57. Yet she has managed to completely gull a very large number of DUers

a group I regard as generally much brighter than the average.

Identity politics uber alles.

[Ichingcarpenter]

60. she didn't dup me

when I could smell the bullshit all the way from here............ she also likes
any woman for president including Sarah and............

I thought she was a useful idiot and still do.

[hifiguy]

63. None of this fooled me for a second.

Nor did the NN dustup. The only real question is who is pulling the strings of and paying these puppets, and I have my suspicions.

[roguevalley]

109. here's the reddit link in case it isn't here. I have lost track

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3gd3m1/the_racist_protester_that_shut_down_the_bernie/

[Skittles]

244. they have completely lost my respect

fucking pathetic

[restorefreedom]

69. well there ya go

another piece of the puzzle slams into place.

[Blue State Bandit]

59. I have now put my name on this...

by linking to my twitter post on this issue with the collage I made from he FB page. These issues are far too important for me to hide behind pseudonyms. I try not to get into anything more than Solar (my passion and my purpose in life) on twitter, but this infighting could cost us the White House and with it, risk a Republican putting me out of a job.

It's time for 3 things:
1- Bernie Sanders needs Secret Service protection now.
2- Bernie Sanders and BlackLivesMatter need to sit down and release a joint public statement of understanding.
3- Hillary Clinton's campaign needs to speak out on this issue, and lay off the "Bernie's Black Problem" meme.

[TheBlackAdder]

62. Thanks BSB, the whole community owes you one!

YOU ROCK!

[roguevalley]

112. truly. fortunately, these buffoons are amateurs. Millennian

dimbulbs so tied into social media that they probably didn't think to clean up their trails first. Hugs, dear heart, for this. It smelled from the start. At the next sanders speech, people need to have signs ready that this idiot is a palin girl.

[hifiguy]

66. Excellent!

Thank you!

[Zorra]

73. This is really good:

It's time for 3 things:
1- Bernie Sanders needs Secret Service protection now.
2- Bernie Sanders and BlackLivesMatter need to sit down and release a joint public statement of understanding.
3- Hillary Clinton's campaign needs to speak out on this issue, and lay off the "Bernie's Black Problem" meme.

Thank you.

[roguevalley]

114. I thought blm was getting hijacked. They better fix this. the message

is to important to be drubbed by a pair narcissistic imbeciles.

I LIVE IN ALASKA! HOW THE FUCK DO YOU ADMIRE PALIN!?!?!

[haikugal]

78. Stay safe...

Well done Blue, thank you.

[zazen]

85. This is why I love DU--citizen netroots activism like yours--thank you SO much!

I should say, citizen netroots _leadership_, because you've just provided some serious service to the movement here. I hope his campaign staff are checking DU (I assume they are, based on my past affiliation with congress critters).

[hifiguy]

167. I continue to be amazed by the research skills of so many here.

Sherlock Holmes has nothing on a DUer stoked up to do some real digging.

[SoapBox]

89. I do have one issue...

Your post is good...but...one issue for me...

"2- Bernie Sanders and BlackLivesMatter need to sit down and release a joint public statement of understanding."

Who is BLM? Do they have an actual organization? A president? Leadership?

To me...they're not even a real, anything, beyond this gal. I understand what has been happening in this country but strongly disagree with him trying to make something with this gal.

His new National Press Director will bring insight...and if they discuss anything with anyone (and keep in mind the howling from ALL sides if he were to do this, claiming from the right that he's some AA radical and the left will ignore it and claim he's pandering) it would need to be with a nationally recognized organization.

Again in the mean time...all other candidates for POTUS, on both sides, hide under rocks.

[Blue State Bandit]

130. Personally, the parents and loved ones of those within the movement. And not an endorsement.

It should be a council (loosely termed) of the families who's strong, burdened shoulders have lifted the movement in the first place. Treyvon's parents, their pain bore the BLM movement. Mike Brown's parents. His father is a rock. And Eric Garner and Sandra Bland, and Oscar Grant, and so on.

I used the term "statement of understanding" very strategically. This should not be an endorsement. Those may come later (after the primaries would be preferred), but for the interests of all involved, should be available to any other candidate on the ballot (insert nudge to the Clinton campaign). But I doubt most would risk inflaming their base with such outreach (flat out elbow to the republicans).

Of course, this shouldn't be done under the "Flag of BLM" so to speak. It should be with the families, and at the request of either the candidate or prominent family members and private unless otherwise agreed.

This would be a good job for Symone Sanders.

[bbgrunt]

124. totally agree

[virtualobserver]

68. She is a Republican who is angry about social injustice as it affects black people

Her method is what it is because she has no respect for liberals and doesn't believe in treating them with respect or in cooperating.

She is demanding solutions by bullying....the way that any good Republican would. She wants them to bow down before her #bowdownbernie

It doesn't delegitimize BLM as a whole......but it makes clear that it is foolish to just assume that BLM is a progressive organization.

She is the face of the next generation of the Republican party.

Many 60's radicals turned ultraconservative.......they were only radical in opposition to things that harmed them personally.

[Texasgal]

80. BLM needs to seperate itself from politics.

This is a human issue.

[glinda]

223. Yikes. That is a scary thought and possibly true.

[jalan48]

76. Sounds like maybe she's just a nut case wanting to be the center of attention.

[moondust]

90. Her 15 minutes are up. n/t

[Eleanors38]

93. A five & dime Trumper? She's a little late for the show.

[fbc]

79. I see where the confusion lies... She must be from the #BlackLivesMatterUnlessTheyAreGay movement

[Ms. Toad]

205. Actually, there are a number of LGBT supportive thins posted on her FB page. n/t

[SoapBox]

81. amazing...

What kind of shit she can stir.

So how old is this nitwit? Education? Where is she from?

Is she registered to vote? Does she vote? Does she get others registered to vote?

Voting, not screaming tantrums, is the only way to change things.

[glinda]

224. And does she own a gun? Someone needs to check on this.

[HooptieWagon]

226. A fundy college, there in Seattle.

I think she recently (past 2 years?) graduated. Her FB page says she works as a nanny. Also admires Palin as a great feminist.

[daredtowork]

82. Part of the point of BLM is that the Dem Establishment take the black vote for granted

Marissa's position seems to be not only one setting race against economics, but also setting race against politics (as usual).

#BLM has stated repeatedly they want to be courted by the Democrats.

We are rolling our eyes and saying "see if the GOP" treats you better: don't you know an "ally" when you see one? The traditional black vote has been the alliance. #BLM is demanding more from that alliance. Marissa belongs to some "Outliers" group that is saying "court" my vote no matter who you are. Because of the Palin button, it seems like Marissa could easily end up in the Ben Carson school of black liberation: overcoming racism through her personal career advancement.

#BLM is right to demand more from the party and from their ostensible political representatives. However, I hope they realize if their leaders are openly courting the GOP, they will find it harder to grab the mic at Democratic Party events.

[doxyluv13]

100. BLM could affect the race if they can motivate people who don't usually vote in primaries

But that normally means supporting a specific candidate in the race. It's hard to see how a BLC endorsement of Clinton means much as far as expanding her electorate, unless she embraces and runs with the issue, which seems unlikely.

[romanic]

107. Oh please!

The whole "black vote for granted" is such a Black Republican trope. I don't want to hear it!

And besides, the point of BLM originally didn't involve politics. It was strictly about police brutality and the killing of unarmed black people by cops. Funny how that's no longer being talked about from certain BLM activists.

[daredtowork]

119. I've never regarded it as a Black Republican trope

In my view, though, our political representatives are taking everyone's vote for granted except deep-pockets donors, so "taking the black vote for granted" might be an organizing principle, but not necessarily the truth of the matter.

When I was participating in the protests here (primarily run by By Any Means Necessary - which seems suspiciously like that Outlier group - and Occupy), there were a number of themes which Ferguson brought to a head. My impression was that radical action and "diversity of tactics" was necessary because Democratic politics as usual took black support for granted. And got nothing done.

[Ford_Prefect]

91. She sees Palin as feminist ???????????????????????????????????

She sounds like my fundie neighbors inventing their own history of protestant faith and American History to suit their egos. This person seems to have much in common with James O’Keefe and other children from the Carl Rove school for attack dog media.

I have observed a similar distopian attitude among some IT professionals where it is the fashion to passionately denigrate anyone they imagine represents status-quo values or institutions. They often cite ludicrous and occasionally non-existent sources to support their views. They frequently allude to conspiracies and institutional hierarchy with arguments both contradictory and unsupported by the most basic reading of facts. They fall somewhere between libertarian and anarchist in their public remarks. However their real world life choices more often reflect the privileged arch-conservative class they pretend to be above.

They seem to feel most empowered when they can attack public figures with impunity. I have yet to see one of them commit to or carry out a constructive act or cooperative project which practically addressed any of the wrongs they so energetically assign to others.

Yes, the Democratic Party should be working very hard to persuade Black voters that there is indeed something to vote FOR. I feel the same way about the party. I have yet to see that the party leadership has much if anything to offer. They have certainly treated NC democrats of with callous disrespect, frequently taking our votes for granted in the national while ignoring our local races with either funding or organizing help. The DLC and now DNC are 0-3 on this score. They appear to have assumed that we are South Carolina and refuse to hear the difference unless we promise unqualified support for Banking and MIC interests in the state.

As far as the BLM movement is concerned: Yes they have a point about the priority placed on issues of direct and institutional racism. They need to learn that the way forward is to bring something constructive to the table. Attacking those with a genuine history of aiding your cause will not persuade them to agree with you, nor will it generate the results you desire in government. You want things to change? Get the voters organized and you will have effect.

Bitch and whine loudly, and it has to be said somewhat inaccurately, in front of the cameras and you will engender doubts and disdain on the part of those you most need to hear your message. Bullies are not generally believed on matters of moral truth nor trusted to evaluate justice fairly.

[SoapBox]

99. +100

[MisterP]

103. maybe one of those "separatist" feminists who don't like sex or nudery

and whose accusations against all men perfectly match last century's accusations against all men of a certain *ahem* color

round and round it goes!

[hifiguy]

171. That is a trope that crawls out of the DU basement every so often.

Less so since one of the principal Witchfinders General stomped off in a huff afer last summer's Spider-Woman comic cover war. A departure that greatly redounded to the benefit of DU, by the way.

The bugfuck, freeperlike insanity and utter disconnection from reality of some of the posts in that thread was both hilarious and disturbing.

[Blue State Bandit]

190. No genderbating on my OP. It gets stickkkkkyyyyy

lol

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

132. Holy shit.......O'Keefe

Wtf didn't I think of that?

This stinks of him.

[AzDar]

101. Disingenuous, disruptive SCUM. And if they surface again... should be dealt with as such.

[retrowire]

105. Yeah...

We need to spread this as far as possible guys.

Fight misinformation with information.

[TheBlackAdder]

106. Where's Hillary? She didn't denounce. Are they Fundies, Rogue Feminists, or Operatives?

.


The whole disruption was because Bernie did not solidify a statement about race relations.


Yet, when looking at these people's histories, they appear to be fundies, feminists, and BLM people.
They supposedly started their BLM page just a week or two ago, after the one woman's post about
getting GOP grooming or another kind. The other had an acquaintance talk about throwing Bernie
Sanders a "sheepdog bone" to keep him distracted until it's too late.


This reeks of a political operation, yet in the best light it was rogue people operating on multiple fronts.
Yet, Bernie is the best candidate for race-related issues, so that line of defense does not hold water.


This leads to the one woman's Reddit page (above) that says she supports Sarah Palin and any other woman.


===


Does this mean she is fighting for Hillary's campaign, with or without their knowledge?

Does this mean she is working for the conservatives to discredit Sanders, Clinton and the BLM movement?


===


It was odd that both the Clinton and O'Malley campaigns were silent about this disruption.

In any event the Hillary Clinton & O'Malley campaigns should make a statement denouncing these disruptions!


They both should disavow all knowledge of associations with this group.

.

[MFrohike]

110. Damn

I'm sure there have been others, but this here is a thread where DU shows its ass. There's a lot to say about this whole thing, but commenting on her "smugness" ain't how to do it. That smugness thread, quite unintentionally, lends truth to what was said at the rally yesterday. It doesn't mean she can't be smug, it means smug, in this thread, sounds a hell of a lot like uppity.

[Ford_Prefect]

141. Smug does indeed sound a lot like code for uppity.

I saw several videos of the whole exchange and can only see much of it as verbal abuse. If it was my meeting and someone attacked the moderator in the same way I would have responded by having them escorted out of the meeting or closing the forum. There are genuinely constructive ways to gain a forum and so far as I can tell none of them were attempted. As it was they claimed to have the right to demand the floor immediately with no respect given to those attending. In other venues that might look like hijacking the meeting or something even more.

I cannot assume to know the background of the people who rushed the stage: whether they represent someone responsibly or only wanted to stage a guerrilla action of street theatre. I have a permit to conduct the event and with that come certain responsibilities for what takes place, including the public statements made by those who appear on that forum.

BLM has a right to a public voice and to address injustice where they see a need. They also have a responsibility to present the public with an honest case in a respectful way. Howling at liberals of any color does not engender respect. It didn't work in 1968 and it still won't.

As a disabled, liberal-minded, life long New Deal-Great Society Democrat I have done my time in this cause, every single time it mattered. BLM preaches to the choir from where I see it. Get in line is my first response. The boat only goes forwards if everyone paddles. You have a real case and I agree with you. But in Seattle you attacked the man with the longest legitimate demonstrated history of helping the cause you espouse as if he were part of the problem.

Your aim is off. You should be going after those who have reduced our access to real justice, lively-hood and the opportunity to vote to choose a different future. They are the source of the institutional problems you rightly attack.

[backscatter712]

115. I'll take "Ratfucking" for a thousand, Alex... n/t

[DisgustipatedinCA]

120. This dumbfuck sported a Palin button and expects something other than derision?

i don't take advice or correction from someone of her low caliber. Fuck Republicans.

[hopemountain]

121. a constructive and progressive move for sanders campaign

is to invite both of the women and a few - maybe 20 - other black lives matter reps from around the country to a talking circle - with a talking stick - not a microphone - to speak their truth.

very sad. very, very sad.

[Blue State Bandit]

133. I like the talking stick idea.

But only if they are invited.

[hopemountain]

134. absolutely. nt

[cali]

162. no, just no. she has forfeited that opportunity.

And he has reached out to other BLM members.

[DinahMoeHum]

122. She's not the only one on BLM with a questionable resume. . .

Seems that Tia Oso, the lead protestor at NetRoots Nation, has a felony conviction for embezzling.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/tia-oso-protester-who-interrupted-martin-omalley-is-convicted-embezzler-7505469

[magical thyme]

135. swell. what a great person...

While working as the business manager for the Arizona Citizens for the Arts/Arizona Action for the Arts in 2007 and 2008, a job she includes in her online résumé, Oso issued checks to herself, made unauthorized withdrawals and made personal charges on the organization's credit card. The theft occurred over the course of a year and totaled about $11,000, court records show.

Oso had walked off the job in May 2008 without explanation "after being counseled about absences and performance-related issues," records state. She was fired after she failed to show up for work for three days, and the embezzlement was apparently discovered soon afterward.

Twenty-seven at the time, Oso confessed to court officials that she used the money to pay rent, make car payments, and "stabilize her financial situation."

Brenda Sperduti, the organization's former executive director, told officials that the arts group, which depends on donations for its survival, "had to win back the trust of donors after this." But Sperduti also asked for leniency for Oso

[Metric System]

126. But I read on DU she was covertly working for the Clinton campaign?

[Blue State Bandit]

138. Exactly what I would have wrote, if I was trying to be funny.

Maybe if Camp Hillary would step up and call bullshit on bullshit, like Bernie has done, multiple times, you wouldn't have to worry about seeing such accusations.

[Cosmic Kitten]

145. Looks like they support ANY female candidates?

[Babel_17]

136. Thank you for all your efforts and insights

I'm feeling a bit out of sorts due to this development. Can't say I expected such a revelation. I say, let's cheer on everyone doing the detective work but let's hold off on connecting any dots. And let's not succumb to ascribing guilt by association to anyone. It's easy to get fooled by someone who talks the right talk. "I want to believe" applies to all of us, not just Mulder on the X-Files.

But a big thanks for all the effort into researching this.

[Blue State Bandit]

139. Thx.

Banging my head against the wall myself.

[JDPriestly]

140. What were the names of the disruptors at Netroots Nation?

Was one named Marissa?

[shaayecanaan]

143. Their leader was Tia Oso

see upthread:-

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/tia-oso-protester-who-interrupted-martin-omalley-is-convicted-embezzler-7505469

[dragonfly301]

146. Is this her?

http://spu.edu/academics/school-of-theology/undergraduate-programs/student-stories/marissa-johnson

Those saying she is a fundie may be correct. With a side of narcissism thrown in.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

151. Sure looks like her, and I read in other threads that she's a fundie.

SPU, founded by "free Methodist pioneers" back in 1891. Can't be too whacky, right? (I'm biased because I was raised non-whacky Methodist. )

[Tipperary]

279. That does not look like her to me. Her features are different.

[Marr]

149. Wow. And what do you suppose constitutes 'the other side' for someone who backs Sarah Palin against

the first black President of the US? She says she supported Palin because she 'supports any woman running for the office', which makes it pretty clear who did choose to 'groom' her, or at the very least, in whose name she's acting. And she certainly doesn't seem to be motivated by BLM's issues, though she's perfectly happy to use it for her own slimy political attack.

Disgusting.

[senz]

155. Just watched a video by a young black man who saw right through her.

It's on another very good thread. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017285229

He knew exactly what was going on. I'll bet most blacks do.

[dougolat]

243. Yup, very good indeed. Thanks. ..nt

[BillZBubb]

351. "I'll bet most blacks do. "

I'll bet you are wrong, at least if the AA forum on DU is any indication. They are full on supporting the Seattle hijacking and will ban anyone who contradicts them.

[senz]

353. Sad. Group think is powerful, especially when people have legitimate grievances.

But this looks to me like drawing an arbitrary line in the sand and sticking to it, even when it ultimately hurts you. Bernie is the absolute best bet for AAs. I hate to see them hurt themselves and hope this phenomenon is confined to DU.

I've now seen that DU is a tiny world unto itself where factions grow and harden. I've read DU for years as a political junkie but never looked deeply into the message boards until recently. It would make a GREAT thesis subject for a sociology major, because it's a condensed microcosm of society.

Or maybe some evil genius (I'm sure they exist, think of Karl Rove, Frank Luntz, Newt Gingrich) has managed to deflect black anger from the real racists and turned it against the progressive movement. I hope AAs wake up, see what is happening, and then make it backfire against the cynical perps who seriously don't give a shit about them.

Thanks, BillZBubb.

[bravenak]

385. I bet you no longer feel this way

But. I think people should see why we are skeptical of professed love for BLM. Nobody ever corrects themselves.

[rocktivity]

157. Hands up who DIDN'T see this coming

I saw enough of her stumbling, babbling, and pausing to be coached from the sidelines to know she wasn't going to give Maya Angelou a run for her money. Well, she HAS succeeded in handing Bernie the black guilt vote.


rocktivity

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

159. Another blog entry that has some cross-over with this...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/09/1410408/-Seattle-s-Outside-Agitators-206-why-they-want-to-drive-a-wedge-between-BLM-and-Democrats

[WillyT]

160. K & R !!!

[Heather MC]

163. Her Point was to get people talking and thinking about Racial Injustice in the System

And to keep it as the main topic of conversation. This is a major problem and it continues because not enough people stay engaged for long enough anymore to bring about change.

You may not like her methods but tough. Protesting wasn't never suppose to be a comfortable thing.
You want comfort sip wine on the 19th whole and ignore the problems.

Now people are going into her fb account and analyzing her every post hoping to find something to say AH HA now we got her she is a Rightwing Plant.

You will do anything not to deal with her charge of the existence of left wing racist Supremacist.

but I think she is correct I believe that is a real thing. and Left Wing Racist Supremacist is when you remind silent and blind to the plight of minorities in the country while at the same time believing you are not racist because you don't swing the confederate flag, or harbor a desire to call people the N'word.

But if what she did makes you uncomfortable maybe it's because she challenged the one thing you have used to your greatest advantage. Your Silence.

I for one Applaud their efforts, at least they are out their fighting.

[romanic]

165. Her point failed.

Because people are talking about her and her partner's methods and connections to agitator groups and now her political and college background that belies what BLM is about. Tough.

But I do agree with you on one thing: This is a major problem.

[Heather MC]

174. It's not her fault people are choosing to focus on unimportant things because they are uncomfortable

with the message she delivered.

She could have been more Eloquent, but who knows how any of us would react with 1000 angry voices yelling back.
I do know this, I wouldn't have the guts to take over a Farmers Market let alone a Presidential Campaign Rally.

I like Bernie, I didn't like seeing him put in this situation. But Change isn't going to happen unless there is a fight and people are forced to listen and they are forced out of their comfort zone

We can choose to talk about her FB post or Her message

That's our choice

[HooptieWagon]

182. Her message failed because she's a narcissistic phony nut-case.

She was just out to 'prove' to the GOP they should have 'groomed' her like she thought she deserved. But keep on defending a self-described Palin supporter, if you think it supports your cause.

[Facility Inspector]

269. There was no message

people aren't uncomfortable, scared, or fragile.

Yes, folks can actually get pissed at someone when they behave poorly regardless of their race.

[HooptieWagon]

173. She's a Fundy republican Palin supporter.

You might want to rethink your defense.

[Ford_Prefect]

175. You have a point about the focus on how dangerous it is to be living while black in America.

Your reading of history leaves something to be desired. For more than 100 years people of many colors have fought this fight and yet it is still not settled. That is not good enough. Not for you, nor your brothers and sisters, nor your parents, nor your grand parents, nor any of mine either. We ALL still need a culture and a society which respects every one of us rather than systematically and relentlessly murdering our bodies, our minds and our souls.

Shouting down one voice recognized thus far as actually addressing your concerns substantially and historically will not persuade anyone that you have reason to be listened to.

You have a real cause. So do I. If I silence your speech in order to get mine heard have I actually helped either of us? Have I made people listen to how important, how desperate, how immanent that threat to real lives is?

[hifiguy]

176. Sorry, you have committed an epic fail here.

This nincompoop has been decisively exposed as a fundy kook. As such, not a word she says about anything can or should be believed.

See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027060520

[Heather MC]

184. Her belief in god nullifies her protest?

That's ridiculous

so she can't have a strong desire to want to end the unjust killings of unarmed black american citizens to an end because
she is a jebus loving bible thumper?
Not all of them believe prayer will bring about the necessary changes

[hifiguy]

187. Her being a

fundy kook nullifies everything.

Check out the thread here where her "philosophy" is reproduced from a social media site. It sounds more like Charlie Manson's nutso rantings than anything else.

She is crazier than a shithouse rat.

[romanic]

189. It's not her religion.

It's her connections to an agitator group attempting to hijack BLM that makes me nullify anything this nut has to scream about.

The Sarah Palin adoration only adds to my disdain for anything she has to say.

[840high]

179. She failed - big time.

[Blue State Bandit]

181. My silence? Left wing racist? Please, don't post drunk.

The only advantage I have is that I look white. Proud American mutt with Native American on both sides, and I have stood up, and sounded off. And nothing pisses me off more than someone who throws such caustic accusations without regard for whom they lob it at.

[Heather MC]

188. Did I tag you in my post?

I don't even know you, how can I "lob" anything at you?

However, you are proving my point, by getting offended and honing in on one aspect of my comment.

Silence by those who want to believe they are allies simple because they are not Overt racist, is also a problem. (not calling you a racist, I shouldn't have to make that disclaimer, but I am sure you have your "I am offended again response ready and waiting)

I can't tell you how many times in the last two years I have read several comments of otherwise liberal people all over the internet, saying things. "Why do we have to keep talking about this"?

It gets frustrating being told to shut up all the time when you speak out about the racial inequality, and the brutal murder of unarmed black American Citizens by law enforcement.

[Blue State Bandit]

192. It's my OP. That's my response in waiting.

[Heather MC]

209. Oh well I didn't notice. I just read the post, I never pay attention to who post what.

It keeps me from forming positive or negative opinions about people in DU.
I just keep it about the information being provided not the people providing it.

[Deadshot]

210. Haha. Yeah. Okay.

She was obviously there as a troll. She couldn't care less about those issues.

[Heather MC]

220. She seems pretty sincere and committed on her FB page

Her Delivery could use some work, but I believe her passion for the cause is real

[JackInGreen]

274. I know plenty of commited people

Several teaparty family members. Their passion and earnestness earns zilch if they're acting violent and confrontational or slinging slurs.

[Heather MC]

284. Well, how should she behave after seeing body after body of her dead brothas and sistas

laid out in the streets, and a system that offers no justice for the murdered, and they don't seem to care about ending the sinceless killing of unarmed American Citizens.

Teaturds are mad their tax dollars aren't being spent on more wars.

This woman is fighting to save lives.

I wish there had been Facebook and twitter during the times Blacks were protesting by sitting at lunch counters, and boycotting the bus system. I wonder what would people have said about them.

Meanwhile in the Week Sandy Bland was found dead 4 other black women were found dead in jail cells across the country. Two more unarmed people were shot last night.

They even killed a young white guy at a Hardees two shots from the side.

There is SILENCE on the the Left. There is uncaring on the Right.

Perhaps that Silence she hears, she has decided to Label Left White Supremacy

And maybe the time for hand holding is over. Get mad with her, fight with her. Try to see it from her point of view

Nevermind I know you won't, because your feelings are hurt.

[JackInGreen]

288. I've looked at her POV , no thanks

I'll keep supporting BLM and if that means being allied by proxy with her so be it, but extremism gets a finger from me in any stripe, even when they're my friends.
I'm not holding anyone's hand nor do I expect mine to be held, OR bernies. But if you're trying to tell me someone's passion, however earnest, gives them leave to act like a horses ass and hijack whatever they choose in the name of their cause, keep your perspective but it's not going to change mine.


Oh, the first question. How should she react.
Not my place to say really, I do know that that right ends when someone else's nose (or right) begins though.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

253. I don't take advice from Sarah Palin fans. Fuck this republican piece of shit.

[Facility Inspector]

268. She accompished NOTHING

Other than a display of boorishness and shrill irrationality.

[lumberjack_jeff]

271. her point was to get people talking and thinking about her.

This election is bringing onto bas relief a major flaw in progressive circles. Racismandsexism have become one thing, in part because racism is obvious and easy to quantify.

So now it's become racist to vote against a privileged white woman.

[Logical]

359. Yes, by shutting down a canidate that cares for her troubles! Idiot! Nt

[stevenleser]

410. Its sad that you haven't posted since shortly after this.

I am sure you became disgusted with the attacks on BLM here.

[backscatter712]

180. Yep. She's a ratfucker. I wonder which group she really works for...

Shit like this is straight out of the Lee Atwater & Karl Rove playbooks.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

183. I wonder if she's a Bachmann fan?

[PowerToThePeople]

185. Things that make you go hmm. n/t

[DhhD]

193. Women of the Old Black Panther Movement/Party

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AkQf1G2QJwhR2tolupZstcabvZx4?p=Women+of+the+Old+Black+Panther+Movement&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-901&fp=1

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrBT8gv_8dV0FUAieZXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA3lmcC10LTkwMQRncHJpZANFN080cWJoU1JNZWV4cV96UVNjdU5BBG5fcnNsdAMwBG5fc3VnZwM0BG9yaWdpbgNzZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tBHBvcwMxBHBxc3RyA0FuZ2VsYSBEQXZpcyBhbmQgU3lyYWN1c2UEcHFzdHJsAzI1BHFzdHJsAzM2BHF1ZXJ5A2FuZ2VsYSBkYXZpcyBhbmQgc3lyYWN1c2UgdW5pdmVyc2l0eQR0X3N0bXADMTQzOTE3MDQ4Nw--?p=angela+davis+and+syracuse+university&fr2=sa-gp-search&fr=yfp-t-901&fp=1

[BarbaRosa]

194. My first thought when i saw this,

teabag

[Blue_Tires]

197. Elizabeth Warren has been a Republican most of her life...

You doing an expose on her next?

I hope you've got more backing than a button worn in high school before you start tossing out craziness like COINTELPRO....

[Blue State Bandit]

201. Funny. Empty but funny.

Will you if she back Berine?

[Blue_Tires]

206. Will I support Sanders? Is that what you're asking?

I already support Sanders, so you're barking up the wrong tree... But I will say the actions of some of his more fervent fans on DU/Twitter give me a moment of pause...

[RiffRandell]

212. LMAO!

You can't just admit the woman was wrong in what she did and is not a Democrat.

Cool earrings though, right?

[Blue_Tires]

219. I just want some solid proof before she and BLM get smeared beyond recognition

And spare me the witch hunt... More longtime DUers than I can count would struggle to pass the "real Dem" litmus test once I start playing around with the archives...

[RiffRandell]

232. She deserves to get smeared.

I haven't seen anyone try and smear BLM.

She hurt the BLM and Democratic cause.

Go ahead and play around with the archives. I've been here as long as you have. It just says I joined in December of 2003, but lurked shortly after DU launched.

Witch hunt? You said it, not me.

[Blue_Tires]

261. You didn't see the "expose" from ROF radio?

Seemed pretty definitive to me...


If people want to say she's only interested in publicity, fine...If people want to say she's just overzealous and hurts her cause more than she helps (like many of our resident Bernie Backers), fine.

But spare me the "agent provocateur" bullshit until you have something more than a button worn in high school...Hillary Clinton of all people was a Goldwater girl at that age, iirc...

[RiffRandell]

275. No, and don't need to.

Last edited Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:31 AM - Edit history (1)

She proved what a classless loudmouth she is who doesn't have a clue.

That's good enough for me.

[Blue_Tires]

282. You said you "hadn't seen anyone smear BLM"

Here you go: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251505656

And the "classless loudmouth" label flows both ways, so don't lay all this on BLM -- Both sides have nutbars to rein in before this thing gets a lot uglier...

[RiffRandell]

287. Considering one of their FB pages I'm not surprised.

Last edited Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:41 PM - Edit history (1)

https://www.facebook.com/BlackLivesMatter?fref=ts

Black Lives Matter

9 hrs ·
.

The ‪#‎BlackLivesMatter‬ organization did not create any petitions demanding apology from Seattle based organizers. We have not issued a public apology, neither have we made any public statements demanding an apology.

Thanks for the link! Interesting read!

[Jamaal510]

340. That thread

sounded like something one would hear right off of Yahoo. I'm thinking these events are making people show their true colors.

[TheBlackAdder]

251. It's not too often you see a "FEMINIST" with Thong-wearing TWERKING earrings! nt

[RiffRandell]

277. Don't forget naked!

Nasty!

[Facility Inspector]

272. Lord have mercy

She really does think she is all that and a bag of chips.

It just positively OOOZES from her picture.

Barf.

[RiffRandell]

278. Yeah, all attitude.

And a bad one at that.

[Facility Inspector]

281. I've know people like this

Their only allegiance is to the "Game," and cash money is the only thing they respond to.

[Starry Messenger]

239. +1

[jeff47]

293. You mean like quoting her own facebook page?

Her own words are clearly an unreliable source of her opinion.

[Logical]

360. Any palin supporter is too stupid to make any decisions! Nt

[kestrel91316]

198. I'll just say that I am VERY suspicious of a group that attacks Bernie with more vigor than

it attacks the all-KKK Republican contingent.

[erpowers]

200. Ego Maniac Attention Whore

This woman seems to be an ego maniac and/or an attention whore. It seems she wanted a high position on the right and for some reason they did not give her that position. As a result to decided to join BLM in order to get the attention she wanted. It is possible that she wanted to shut down Bernie Sander in the hopes that people on the right would see her and be impressed.

Her past political affiliation might explain why she attacked a Bernie Sanders rally. She may have wanted to hurt the campaign of the man seen as to most progressive candidate.

[Blue State Bandit]

203. Easy there. Language.

n/t

[JTFrog]

260. I don't care who the woman is, we don't call women whores at DU.

I see your favorite group is the sports group... so maybe in 11 years of posting at DU, you haven't picked up on this. Here's to hoping you edit.

Since a jury let it stand (squeaking by 3-4, I'm glad admins can see who the jurors are), I've alerted admin.

On Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:03 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Ego Maniac Attention Whore
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7061494

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling an African American lesbian a "whore" is disgusting. There is no place for such language on Democratic Underground.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Aug 10, 2015, 10:10 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Throw around the WHORE word in hopes that Sanders supporters will be so mad at this protester that they will ignore their core principles about women and not notice the rude language. HIDE.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Context: "Attention whore" is a term applied to people regardless of gender. I suspect you know that.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Hiding and alerting admin.
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[melman]

309. This is such bullshit

Calling someone an attention whore is not the same as calling them a whore. Any person not looking for reasons to be offended knows that.

[JanetLovesObama]

352. I agree. And this is precisely why I find this

"jury system" here very Sean Hannityesque. That is how he runs his website. Major turn off to me.

[ismnotwasm]

204. Yawn.

[BeanMusical]

233. That's deep.

[JackInGreen]

234. Oh wasm

We're gonna have to get you checked for narcolepsy. I see you yawning so much I'm afraid you might have something fly in there.

[BeanMusical]

235. Lol.

An albatross, maybe?

[Maedhros]

306. You keep cluttering up threads with completely empty posts.

/ignore.

[ALBliberal]

207. Some people will do anything for a buck. Sad.

[Deadshot]

211. There you have it.

She was there trolling Bernie on behalf of the GOP.

[BeanMusical]

237. "GOP shoulda groomed me right then...now they gotta see me on the other side *shrugs*"

Maybe not the GOP.

[JimDandy]

242. That is a very interesting statement Marissa Jenae "Johnson" made.

So, she' s been rejected for grooming by the GOP.

She's on the OTHER side, but it's definitely NOT Bernie's side she's on.

AND she's so rabidly "any woman for President" that she was willing to support Palin for President.

Just whose side is there remaining on the "any woman for President" OTHER side that fits?

Her own f**%^*g words!

Sort of breathtaking when you break it down.

Sometimes the Internet buzz gets it right.

[Uncle Joe]

214. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Blue State Bandit.

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

217. Call Seattle police and demand their arrest ? 206-625-5011

[bravenak]

377. I remember this...

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

378. Yes, and I did. Must have made an impression on you.

Did you listen to her rant. Including the anti gay hate speech?

[bravenak]

379. You still want her arrested?

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

381. I think community service should have been imposed, but she is doing more then that on her own.

To make a long story short, No.

So when I see her do this at a Trump rally, all will be fine with me.

So is she still a republican?
I she still anti gay?

[bravenak]

382. So you doubling down?

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

387. How so?

Am I still at little pissed?, Yes
Do I feel for her being kicked out of her church? sort of, I hope that helps her grow.
Am I pissed about her anti gay hate speech? Yes
Do I wish her ill will? not at all.

[bravenak]

388. You said you wanted folks to call that number

Seems like you wanted her in trouble with the law and I wondered if you had reflected. This whole thing was not cool. I see this as the day Sanders lost the black vote, before he ever got it. I was supporting him at this time.

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

389. So If you could go back in time and

have her walk up and take the microphone at the end of Burnie's speech (just like she was the next scheduled speaker)
How different the world would be.

[bravenak]

390. I would interrupt

That was her JOB

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

391. well on that we will have to disagree

stay warm up there, this is as cold as I can stand

[bravenak]

392. Lucky you!! I'm freezin!

[Fearless]

218. My first was the night Sen. Kennedy died

And someone bought me a star for it.

Congrats!

[flamingdem]

236. Operative ratfuckette wannabe

so great she is cold busted for her bullshit. Thanks for this post.

[Betty Karlson]

238. BLM is a good organisation

But the top organisers: I'm starting to distrust them.

[Maedhros]

307. #BlackLivesMatter is a twitter hashtag.

Anyone can use it, for any purpose.

[onpatrol98]

252. I've got a thought....(Worth the hide!!!)

Maybe when she was younger, she liked a candidate that she would NOT endorse today. Maybe, she's simply a young black woman frustrated with the notion that her movement should take a back seat, as we're about to approach an event that will shape our country for the next, four to eight years. And, she ain't that old, if IN HIGH SCHOOL, she had a Palin button. My kids certainly weren't sporting Palin buttons, but, oh well.

Perhaps, she's simply someone's young black daughter, stepping into the political arena and wanting her country and her country's politicians to "see" her and the frustrated group of young people she represents. Maybe the comment about the republicans should have picked her up, was more about, political parties are throwing away the young and disaffected. Maybe like Bravenak, she's saying..."Hey people, wake the hell up, or you're going to start bleeding a traditionally consistent group.

If there's a 50% chance, she's a plant, then there's a 50% chance she's not. She just decided to be politically active. I've got a question. What's the harm in Bernie Sanders and Hilary Clinton speaking TO people of color? If Hilary Clinton hasn't had her opportunity to be shouted down, perhaps it's because Hilary Clinton has kept a tight lid on who gets into her events.

Do you have a clue as to what this thread looks like to me? I'm a normal, black woman with normal black children. This young woman looks like she could be my daughter. Not some evil plant from Hilary or the republicans. She simply looks like someone's daughter finding her way into our American space and finding her political voice. Me personally, I can't stand hecklers. I didn't like it when Sturtz heckled Michelle Obama. But, on DU, I was told IT WAS TOTALLY APPROPRIATE. I asked, why didn't she heckle republicans. I was even given good reasons for that. I was told Frederick Douglas would be proud of Sturtz INSTEAD of Michelle Obama (yeah, I printed that post and passed it around so friends could read it too). Do, I wish she had found another way to make her point. YES! But, a damn thread designed to take this young woman down. What the hell? That's just damn creepy, a democratic board that has a greatest page item dedicated to tearing down a young, black woman. HAVE YOU ANY IDEA HOW THIS WOULD LOOK TO PEOPLE OF COLOR? DO YOU EVEN CARE?

Maybe DU should be trying to reach out TO HER. Instead of trying to trash her. Because, guess the hell what? Her life matters. When I see her (from my eyes as an older black woman), I see a young woman who represents the future. I see her as a future leader to be groomed. I see her as someone to sit down and talk TO.

When her Facebook friends circle back to DU? What will they think of us? Well, heck not me, because all I do is lurk. And, now that Bravenak is gone...I won't even be doing that anymore. I do not believe for one minute black lives matter to you. Black lives are expendable to you. That young, black, life was worth taking down "for the cause" to you. Otherwise, it CLEARLY simply DID NOT MATTER.

Her life matters. It matters to me.

To Marissa, if YOU EVER HAPPEN TO FIND THIS "HOSTILE TO BLACK FOLK" board. I wish you good fortune in life. I wish for you a country that will reach out to you. You matter!

To Bernie Sanders "real supporters", you have GOT to get a handle on this nonsense, before you alienate many (NOT ALL) in the black community. Disaffected voters don't HAVE to vote for the opposition. Crap like this suppresses the vote. You didn't listen to Bravenak, so I have no illusion that you'll listen to me.

(Worth the hide!!!)

Again, a WHOLE THREAD DEDICATED TO TEARING DOWN "ONE" young black woman. Really?????

[Blue State Bandit]

254. It's the "Could have groomed me more" quote that gets me here.

I would have walked on by had she not posted that. That quote tells me that she can be bought. And you don't get to call liberals racists after admitting that you backed Sarah Palin, and that the GOP could have you as an operative if only they "Groomed you better"on the same OP and expect to be treated with kid gloves.

Supporting a GOP candidate, none of my business, playing race card while bragging that the GOP could have had you for the right price... ya get smacked down. It's called politics, and if she don't like it, then she knows how Bernie feels.

[HooptieWagon]

314. My takeaway from that comment...

Was she has a rather inflated opinion of herself that others didn't share. Classic narcissism, as borne out by her recent actions and responses.

[cali]

255. here's a thought for you. A Christian fundamentalist demanded that a Jew who lost most

of his paternal family to the gas chambers and execution squads bow down to her. She demanded that he grovel and publicly apologize for unspecified actions against poc. She called him a white supremacist.

That's some sick shit you're supporting.

[Zorra]

263. Well, yeah, there is that. nt

[onpatrol98]

280. When I saw her...

When I saw her...I didn't think Christian fundamentalist. Who does that? And as for bow down...well, I'm not wearing any pearls, so I've got nothing to clutch. I've never met a black Christian fundamentalist. I've met plenty of black Christians. We're a HISTORICALLY DEPENDABLE voting block for democrats. Besides, what did she do that gave you that impression? Confess to praying??? Never mind, I don't care.

I doubt SERIOUSLY she knows anything about Bernie Sanders paternal family. I doubt she knows anything about Hilary Clinton's paternal family, either. She's probably not a "fan" of either, yet. She wants to be heard. She wants to hear how they will help her. This is what most voters want to know.

I'm not supporting "sick shit". In order to do that, I would have to cosign to this thread. But, I do plan on defending this young, black woman. I think Bernie would, too.

This thread on the other hand...it's distasteful, and quite frankly, it's just damn creepy to stalk random Internet users Facebook pages. Now, that's some sick...well, whatever.

[cali]

290. sorry, she almost certainly knows he's Jewish.

And she describes heself repeatedly as a radical Christian fundamentalist. There are many links on du to her own words. In addition, she states that white liberals are more racist and worse for poc than white cons. Even if Ms. Johnson doesn't know, their is never a good excuse to demand someone bow down. There is no excuse for shoving and screaming inches from someone's face. There is no excuse for refusing to shake his hand or calling him a white.supremacist.

What she and her co-activists did was hateful and designed to degrade Sanders. He's my Senator, and I'm sure I'm far more familiar with him than you. There is no way he'd defend or support her ugly behavior. He's not going to criticize her publicly, but Bernie simply doesn't support vile shit.

And yes you are defending sick, ugly behavior. It's shameful to see that here.

[romanic]

257. Being young and black and a woman

doesn't mean she can't be called out for her sneaky background. Her politics and connections to agitating anarchy groups that want to dismantle the Democratic Party will NOT BENEFIT OR HELP black people! That's the god damned point to this thread!

[JustAnotherGen]

258. She could be my niece

I 'feel' it too onpatrol. I 'feel' it.

[onpatrol98]

273. I know, right...

Expendable...

She didn't understand her place. I hope she never does. This girl is "now". Most days, I feel old. She's a young woman. This young group that is emerging, won't know that Bernie Sanders marched in the 60s. Hell, I wasn't even alive in the 60s. They know there are few opportunities now.

She doesn't know what happened to Bernie Sanders family in the past. I'm sure if someone told her, she would think it tragic. But, she knows what's happening to her family and her friends, now. Tamir Rice is now. These young people are the grandchildren of the 60s. A group is coming that will feel no natural allegiance to the democratic party. They will be ripe for the picking. They are young and open. Republicans have dependably turned them off. But, one day they may actually get a clue. I doubt it'll be in my lifetime, thankfully.

As each new group matures politically, they won't care about our yesterday. Yesterday won't keep them alive. Yesterday has no jobs. They'll want to know our plans for their future. My mother wonders what republicans will do with her medicare and social security. My sons are certain there WILL BE NO social security for them. They're entering the job market now and over the next several years. Talk about different perspectives.

Lest we forget, black people used to vote for republicans. It took years of neglect, racism, and more to give democratic politicians a dependable voting block with the sons and daughters of the 60's. But, as time marches on, we have to re-introduce ourselves to each new young group.

That this group thought this thread was not only reasonable, but right on point, speaks volumes.

[JustAnotherGen]

315. Amen to all of it

And I'm seeing it in particular with my oldest nephew on my side of the family. He's so - aware at 22. He stays off of twitter and social networks - that has to do with his career and the laser intensity he had to place on his education in order to get his foot in the door. Yet he has an account where he just 'reads' and 'connects'. So here's this young man, working on Wall Street - beating the odds to get there (still overwhelmingly white in the Private Equity firms) yet he says, "It's not just about me."

Still - he votes his conscience (not his wallet). His end game is to create his own boutique firm in order to reach back into his community and provide those venture capital opportunities that so often black Americans are denied.

[kwassa]

348. Thank you for your posts.

I think you offer an excellent perspective on this whole mess.

I've never seen as much craziness on DU as I have seen on this thread.

[brentspeak]

291. If this self-aggrandizing, bird-brained professional disruptor is "the future"

Then the future will be very bleak, indeed.

[RiffRandell]

294. Yep. nt

[tblue37]

304. Good post, but I do feel she inclines more toward the GOP than not, and even if that s

not the case, I also think she should target her actvism better.

[Maedhros]

310. Hostile to black folk?

That's insulting.

[deurbano]

322. Agree. To me, the reaction seems way out of proportion.

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This was obviously annoying for those who wanted to hear Sanders speak... and an event honoring the anniversaries of Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid (opposed by Republicans from the beginning, and still attacked by them, now) was (IMHO) not necessarily the most appropriate event to target. But geez... people running for president can face actual life threatening risks. I'm sure Sanders can handle some heckling. I think it's unfortunate this tiny contingent of anarchists (or whatever they are) was able to shut down the Sanders' speech, but that doesn't make them the devil incarnate... or necessarily Republican operatives. (But I repeat myself...) In the end, this can benefit Sanders if he takes the opportunity to improve his message and outreach. (And security.) I believe he will.

I also agree the personal piling on can be very alienating, even to those who disagree with the specific tactics used. Again, the reaction seems out of proportion. (For the sake of argument, if they are plants-- which I don't believe, but I could certainly be mistaken--the overreaction would be a good outcome for those who planted them.)

[Rockyj]

325. As a Native American we have the highest rate of youth...

...suicide than any other race. We also have the highest rates of sexual violence against our women and girls than any other race.
I understand Black Lives Matter and have supported the cause. However, we also know to respect our allies as we know they're validation of internalized oppression as a result of the colonization process has helped many of our people begin their healing process from intergenerational trauma.

I almost drove 80 miles to attend this rally; but thought twice after hearing Taylor Swift & a Mariners Game were also happening. I am glad I didn't as I would be more outrage than I already am! For these two disrespectful young women to choose to interrupt Senator Bernie Sanders' speech is like choosing to interrupt a Bobby Kennedy for speaking at a Civil Rights rally!
These two young women are disgusting and hateful and did it to Bernie on purpose, calling him and the audience white supremacist liberals? REALLY? How dare you defend them!

[Starry Messenger]

336. +1000

You made it worth opening this horrible thread again. The dehumanizing language used on this young Black woman has left me speechless.

[Jamaal510]

341. LOL at this:

I was told Frederick Douglas would be proud of Sturtz INSTEAD of Michelle Obama (yeah, I printed that post and passed it around so friends could read it too).

I'm surprised they didn't use MLK yet again! It makes me cringe whenever I see people on both the right and left try to co-opt and misinterpret the legacies of deceased civil rights leaders for whatever unrelated agendas they have, when they otherwise wouldn't give a care about them.

P.S. It's sad to hear about what happened with bravenak. This site is in trouble of losing genuinely superb and well-intentioned posters.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

354. Vote for whomever you want. It's a free country.

That "young black woman" is a disgrace. She deserved to be thrown off the stage, along with her fellow troublemakers. And no, she is not normal. If that's normal to you, then I understand where you are coming from. Otherwise, have a nice day!!!

[onpatrol98]

355. "Vote for whomever you want. It's a free country."

I'm a free woman. I will vote for whomever I want. In my home, I have been extolling the virtues of Bernie Sanders and hoping his candidacy won't be swallowed alive by over zealous supporters. The assumption is apparently that anyone who expresses a difference of opinion is somehow not a supporter of Bernie Sanders...a ridiculous notion, for sure. I simply did not see the need to drag her down to lift him up. It's just unnecessary. What immense power did she display? He stepped away from a microphone and walked away. He wasn't mugged. He wasn't assaulted. He was being pressured to speak to the needs of a voting constituency. Oh, the horror of it all. I insist, it will make him stronger. And, if he can't withstand the pressure he receives from a group of young, black women, he shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

His camp has ADJUSTED their strategy. His camp is making strides "to" speak to a constituency that politicians had been speaking "at" for years. Do I wish they had picked a different method? Yes, But, can I see the difference between young women uniting to pressure the powers to be and an actual figure of power? Yes. Deserve to be thrown off the stage??? No, I don't have enough hubris to suggest anyone should be thrown off a stage. Is she normal? Ah...let's see. She would like her government to work for her. Check. Looks like she's normal, to me. You want to throw her off a stage. Hmm. I don't want to throw people off stages. I don't think that's normal. H

But, no you do not understand where I am coming from. There's no reason you should. I think God that there are people here who do. That is the ONE shining example that DU has to offer. There are people who have never walked in my shoes, who get it. I am grateful. They are encouraging. They are helpful. They teach and I learn. When they come into the AA group, I am inspired to be different, to be better, by their example.

And, thank you. I am having a pretty good day.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

356. You really think Bernie needs her for anything other than trouble?

"Normal" people don't accost a 73 year old man and hold his event hostage. If a murderer jumped up on the stage would you "not" throw him off? I'm not equating her as being a murderer, but I am saying she is rude, disrespectful as SHIT, and someone most people would not want serving them fries at Mc Donald's.

Oh, and you know absolutely NOTHING about me. So have a good day.

[onpatrol98]

358. Accosted a 73 year old...

It is true, I know nothing about you. That seems obvious. We've never met. We're on a discussion board. I didn't think of his age really. I know plenty of fit 73 year olds. I'm not sure why I didn't consider his age. I suppose it is possible this is too much for him. The rigors of running for public office aren't for everyone. People throw pies and shoes, and sometimes they yell at you. Again, I don't like heckling. What I thought was over the top was the notion that because they had grievances they must have been right wing plants or Hillary supporters. To me, it could've simply been that they had grievances. I didn't see the point of dedicating a thread to tearing them down. Still don't...

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

361. I see your point.

Happy Friday!

[Reter]

256. I supported Bob Dole and the Republicans right out of high school

What's the big deal? We were kids still learning politics.

[jeff47]

295. At what point does "kid" end?

And keep in mind she said she wanted Palin to run in 2016. It's not something she has "outgrown".

[ctsnowman]

259. Someone wants a Faux news show

[boatsnhose]

264. Interesting

I hope this message gets out their before people slander the BLM any more.

[DirkGently]

267. "Outside Agitators 206" according to Daily KOS.

So, this is looking less a “lefty circular firing squad” and more an operation by a fringe group actually opposed to progressives. A month ago Marissa Johnson was babbling on her FB page about how the Republicans would pay for their failure to “groom” her correctly, and reminiscing about her support for Sarah Palin.

Co-opting the moniker of a nationwide movement like Black Lives Matter two days before an event does not turn two people formerly known as "Outside Agitators 206" into the representatives of BLM. These are different people with a different agenda.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/09/1410195/-Seattle-BLM-Protest-Was-Not-BLM-Sorta#

That's all well and good, except the protesters aren't actually part of the BLM movement.
The protesters are actually members of a group called Outside Agitators 206. You can see the connection here; this is the same "Press Release" as posted on the "Official" Seattle BLM Facebook Page. I am using quotes, because this is absolutely not an "official" page; it was created extremely recently and it seems to me and many others that these two women have co-opted the BLM movement and name to further their own, more extreme message. This is from their About page:

We are the Outside Agitators 206.
First off, we have four points of unity:

We center Black voices to celebrate and affirm Blackness. We believe that any movement to end anti-Black racism must be led by Black people.
We believe that everyone has a right to resist their oppressors and what resistance looks like varies for different individuals and different circumstances.
We don’t directly speak to corporate media, nor do we need them. We are our own voice.
Fuck the police: As an institution fundamentally rooted in white supremacy and anti-Blackness we reject the police presence in our communities, absolutely. It is our responsibility to hold each other accountable and keep each other safe.

The "Outside Agitators 206" homepage, showing the same message from the same two people purporting to speak for BLM:
https://outsideagitators206.org/

[HooptieWagon]

292. You would have a point if BLM denounced them.

So far it's <crickets>. Leads us to believe BLM supports their actions and 'message' (or whatever rambling word salad they were spewing). Or BLM leaders support it, and rank and file afraid to speak up. IDK, but it looks like BLM will marginalize themselves out of existence, as far as an organization goes. Hopefully the issue will be picked up by more competent and responsible leadership.

[DirkGently]

296. How does a leaderless movement disclaim anyone?

There are indications elements of BLM have called for an apology:

https://www.change.org/p/blm-activists-want-the-women-who-interrupted-bernie-sanders-to-apologize-to-him?recruiter=358375400

Moreover, though, who is BLM? Two people in my house have made signs and organized and attended events and fundraisers for Black Lives Matter -- can we disclaim Marissa Johnson?

We all saw the same thing with OWS. You'd be talking to a group of FDR Democrats, and over in the corner would be a group spray-painting a public building and grumbling about how "liberals and Dems" weren't sufficiently "hardcore" or whatever. They'd pee on a bank building to get arrested, then argue in court that the United States is secretly a bankrupt corporation with no authority over anyone. Pretty frustrating when the group hired them lawyers.

The question winds up being whether the bulk of people claiming solidarity with BLM see stalking and silencing Bernie Sanders as part of that group's aims or not. I don't think it's going to work out that way, because it doesn't make any damn sense. But extremists revel in chaos and getting everyone to fight with each other -- it's kind of their bag.

We shall see.

[Zorra]

297. We had to shun/run many Paulistas off from Occupy because they were trying to

co-opt the movement for political purposes.

[DirkGently]

300. Yep.

Been there. Seen that. Spent a lot of time dealing with people who wanted to put talking points about the "gold standard" and some pretty far out Sovereign Citizen type notions out front. And a weird thing about how we weren't supposed to call the cops on crack dealers stealing the food and threatening to knife people.

There is plenty of room for all the voices, but what a movement is "about" can't be dictated by just the angriest ones, and that can happen.

[HooptieWagon]

299. Example:

The Progressive movement is also vague and leaderless. Any individual or organization can claim to be progressive, and do. However, when someone proclaims to be a progressive, but is promoting a non-progressive agenda, they get called out on it by a large segment of the progressive community. Hillary/Third Way being a prime example. To date, the only calling out being done inre the disrupters is an apology tweet by a Seattle teen (later retracted) and a YouTube video by a young black man. Maybe the rest of BLM is too busy rioting in Ferguson, idk. Maybe they agree with the disrupters.

[DirkGently]

302. Aren't we ALL BLM? Can't we decide?

Can't imagine anyone sympathetic to the overall viewpoint of this website not seeing the urgency as to institutionalized racism and police reform.

I'm sure the people here comprise a lot of the activism and support that makes Black Lives Matter a thing.

If there is no real leader, who would we need to hear from to confirm that a Democratic presidential candidate isn't somehow the enemy?

[HooptieWagon]

308. I would agree.

The progressive/liberal wing of the Democratic Party agrees that police brutality and murder needs to be stopped. The Corporatist wing of the party (currently in control) pays lip service to the issue, but sits on their hands when it comes to action.
One of the problems in addressing the issue seems to be that a significant faction of BLM rejects a solution by working within "the system"...that being working with progressive whites or established civil rights groups like the NAACP. They are young, impatient, and feel more empowered by grass-roots militarism than by participating in negotiating and voting. Hence, the disagreement with their tactics but not the issue.

[tblue37]

305. Actually, I (an old white woman) approve of each point on that list. I don't

approve of the way they're targeting the most liberal, honest candidate, but there is nothing in that quote that I would disagree with.

[DirkGently]

316. Think the larger point is they aren't "Black Lives Matter."

I think getting rid of the police entirely would be ... challenging, as well, but they can have whatever agenda they want.

But the reason they've been able to cause disruption among Democrats and progressives is that they claimed to speak for a nationwide movement that has broad progressive support. A movement which they apparently just decided they spoke for a couple of days ago. A movement which, perhaps not coincidentally, does not hold as a general premise that Bernie Sanders is somehow magically the enemy.

[ejbr]

312. K & R n/t

[Babel_17]

317. I ran across a curious link

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/blm-activist-who-shut-down-sanders-is-radical-christian-sarah-palin-supporter/

I used DU's google feature and I saw that patheos doesn't have a bad rep, I saw only some generally positive notice.

The content at that link was a bit mind blowing. I'm ok with zealotry, it's just that it often closes off the opportunity for a meeting of minds.

[Warren DeMontague]

323. You betcha.

[robertpaulsen]

334. Fucking agent provocateur.

I hope BLM does the right thing and gives her the boot.

[KoKo]

343. K&R!

[nikto]

344. Regarding jenae's use of that Malcom X quote

Malcolm X was referring to Liberal hypocrisy of his time.

Here's some context ...

http://socialistworker.org/2013/01/18/the-politics-of-malcolm-x

[LynnTheDem]

346. She's almost as stupid as her hero Palin.

"If (under god, Pledge of Allegiance) it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, it's good enough for me!"
-Sarah Palin, the incredibly stupid one, who obviously thinks the USA was Founded in 1954.

[red dog 1]

347. "The Real Black Lives Matter Wants Activists To Apologize To Senator Sanders"

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http://www.politicususa.com/2015/08/10/real-black-lives-matter-wsnts-activists-publicly-apologize-bernie-sanders.html

Jason Easley wrote about Marissa Johnson and Mara Willaford shutting down Bernie sanders' rally in Seattle:
"They led organizers and the media to believe that they are part of Black Lives Matter.
It's not hard to understand why.
BLM is succeeding in it's efforts to raise awareness and get action on the multitude of issues that are a direct consequence of structural racism.
The Black Lives Matter movement is very loosely structured without a central organization.
That provides freedom to activists and supporters, but it means that BLM is also vulnerable to groups who may wish to co-opt their national reputation as occurred on Saturday.
Adding to the confusion is the fact that there are many groups who use black lives matter as a rallying call.
The real BLM wants to work within the political system.
Yes, they have demands and they want action.
THE GROUP THAT JOHNSON AND WILLAFORD ASSOCIATE WITH HAS A VERY DIFFERENT APPROACH AND AGENDA.
THE GROUP IS CALLED "OUTSIDE AGITATORS 206"
SIMPLY PUT, OA 206 WANTS TO TAKE THE STATE APART AND PUT IT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN AS THEY WANT IT.
THESE GROUPS ARE NOT WORKING TOGETHER NOR ARE THEY THE SAME GROUP EVEN IF INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THEM MIGHT SUPPORT BOTH GROUPS.
"OUTSIDE AGITATORS" (OA) IS NOT ON THE LIST OF ENDORSING ORGANIZATIONS ON THE BLACK LIVES MATTER WEBSITE.

(Read more at link to politicususa article at top of this post)


BTW, you refer to Bernie Sanders "with a 40 year track record of standing up for
#BlackLivesMatter"
This is incorrect.
BlackLivesMatter was formed in 2013.


Huge K&R! ..Thanks for posting.


After spending much time working on this post (with crappy dial-up ISP) I found out that
another DUer has already posted an OP on this story:
"The Real Black Lives Matter Wants Activists To Publicly Apologize To Bernie Sanders"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027063705

[stevenleser]

362. kick for the reminder and the rec list. nt

[bravenak]

363. Hey!!! I was thinking the same thing!

Maybe it will make it back to the top one day. I better go kick the stockholm syndrome one too.

[stevenleser]

368. They now say this stuff never happened! We imagined it dontchaknow?!?! nt

[bravenak]

369. I swear this thread made my decision for me. I do not trust them. One bit.

[bravenak]

383. Now that the primary is over, I looked back at this

Glad I stood my ground

You too. Even with that monster thread about you. You did not back down.

[haikugal]

384. A target rich environment?

[bravenak]

370. This is still here? Shame

[bravenak]

371. I'd have thought it might be deleted

[bravenak]

372. People usually at least feel bad when they do this

[bravenak]

373. Maybe the reccers can unrec this

[bravenak]

374. Awww! Some of my fave folks recced it

[bravenak]

375. I'll give them one more chance to take it back. I know they will

[Scootaloo]

376. Well, if you insist

[stevenleser]

394. Apparently not, apparently we are the bad guys. nt

[bravenak]

395. Oh yeah

I can apologize until im blue in the face if I fuck up but they are unapologetic jerks. And that's also my fault for making them like that.

[Blue State Bandit]

393. So now I have thread stalkers? Reaching for the opportunity to...

instigate a fight where you can insinuate racist intent? Hoping to get me hyped up so you can alert me?

You think I should feel shame for this post? A post regarding the actions of an individual that was denounced by #BlackLivesMatter? Let's have at it.

Meanwhile, your candidate employs David Brock, the man who called Anita Hill a slut. Will she be bringing back Mark Penn as well?

No shame here, not from me, and apparently not from Bravenak either.

[bravenak]

396. Just delete it if you feel bad

[Blue State Bandit]

397. I'd have to feel bad... or intimidated.

Would you like to intimidate me?

Because it seems like that's what you are trying to do.

[bravenak]

398. That is a strange idea. How could you be intimidated by this op

I delete stupid shit I say all the time.

[stevenleser]

400. Apparently they either feel bad or intimidated and the proof is their use of the word

Stalkers

[bravenak]

401. Oh, we are the stalkers... Okay. Yeah. Right. Umm hmm.

Strange days round here.

[stevenleser]

403. Yep, we take issue with one of their OPs we're bad, even if those OPs are race baiting

Or extremely nasty or both.

We're supposed to just take it because they support Bernie

[bravenak]

404. Only we can do anything wrong ever

Their wrongs are cleaned up by pointing out how bad we are. So bad. Evil. Plus Hillary is bad. Makes us bad.

[stevenleser]

399. Seems simple, right?

[bravenak]

402. Yep. No apology required. No begging forgiveness. Just delete and move on...

[stevenleser]

405. Of course, 99.99% of DU swears this never happened, and the OP says he did nothing wrong, so...

[bravenak]

406. Of course!!

Only people like us can ever be wrong.

[stevenleser]

407. If only Sanders supporters spent their time talking up what they thought was good about Bernie

and not attacking and hating on BLM and tons of other organizations and people they might have gotten somewhere.

[bravenak]

408. His record is so slim they MUST take down all skeptics. They have to.

His record is weak when compared to his opponent. They have to assault her character and anybody who backs her.

[stevenleser]

409. kick nt!

[Blue State Bandit]

411. If you have a problem w/ this post alert it. Just cause Bill didn't do so well

under the same circumstances, you think you can kick this and insinuate your BERNIE BROS bull?

Alert the post if you think it's sooo racist. It will only prove that you will do or say anything to protect St. Hillary.