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Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:07 PM May 2012

NATO targets entrapped: Police planted Molotov cocktails

http://www.examiner.com/article/nato-targets-entrapped-police-planted-molotov-cocktails?CID=examiner_alerts_article

NATO protesters rights violated: Targeted individuals accused of terror conspiracy entrapped to highest degree

Defense attorneys told a judge Saturday in Chicago that undercover police brought Molotov cocktails and that their three clients, Occupy Chicago human rights affilitates, were entrapped, according to the Associated Press.

"This is just propaganda to create a climate of fear," said defense attorney Michael Duetsch.
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NATO targets entrapped: Police planted Molotov cocktails (Original Post) Fire Walk With Me May 2012 OP
please add a working link thanks azurnoir May 2012 #1
Back in my day, all we had was copy-and-paste, and we liked it! Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #4
lol back in my day all we had was stone tablets at least according to my kids azurnoir May 2012 #10
Here you go! sabrina 1 May 2012 #5
Thanks very much n/t azurnoir May 2012 #12
They're not even good at it anymore. sabrina 1 May 2012 #2
K&R me b zola May 2012 #3
According to their defense attorney. Robb May 2012 #6
As an Occupier, I can tell you that police LIE and are utterly lawless as they so choose. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #14
Defense attorneys are biased by design Robb May 2012 #15
Sure, it's just nice when the facts happen to line up on the defense's side. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #16
And cops lie, most of the time 'by design'. As proven this week in NY sabrina 1 May 2012 #22
so whose side are you on? fascisthunter May 2012 #28
I've been on DU six years longer than you, speaking out against ninjas whenever I could. Robb May 2012 #31
lol... what do ya want a gold star? fascisthunter May 2012 #43
It sounds like there is more to it than the police making it all up. randome May 2012 #7
Donchu know? Archae May 2012 #17
Are you saying that we should ditch the concept of innocent until proven guilty? Zalatix May 2012 #18
Like Zimmermann's defense team? Archae May 2012 #19
Bravo... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #20
I would suggest that no one be believed at face value. randome May 2012 #30
There are other cases, too, where cops were caught lying about OWS. Zalatix May 2012 #32
That doesn't mean they are now. randome May 2012 #33
So it isn't suspicious at ALL to you that........ socialist_n_TN May 2012 #35
I really, truly doubt that UTube plays a part in any of this. randome May 2012 #37
The legal system works for political crimes too.......... socialist_n_TN May 2012 #40
The Police State stops crime! kenny blankenship May 2012 #8
Is this being reported by anyone other than Deborah Dupre?...nt SidDithers May 2012 #9
Don't kill the messenger. Robb May 2012 #11
Yeah, that's kinda why I asked... SidDithers May 2012 #13
Wow, she's a hoot! boppers May 2012 #27
Yes. It's been reported all over the media. sabrina 1 May 2012 #23
Great. Can you please provide a different link to the story... SidDithers May 2012 #26
Just google, it's in every major news media. sabrina 1 May 2012 #38
That headline is very misleading RZM May 2012 #21
I'm with you. cheapdate May 2012 #24
I think I'm going to wait for corroboration on this one. MineralMan May 2012 #25
There is a link to the AP story in the Examiner article if you had bother to look for it Agony May 2012 #29
You don't have to wait, it's been all over the media so all you have to do is google. sabrina 1 May 2012 #39
Déjà vu. In '68, Daley gave police authority to shoot to kill any anyone with a a Molotov coctail. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #34
Obviously not. To coin a phrase......... socialist_n_TN May 2012 #36
People who aren't out marching with Occupy may be in for some harrowing reality checks. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #41
Don't miss these examples of undercover cops seeking to cause riots, trouble: Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #42
 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
4. Back in my day, all we had was copy-and-paste, and we liked it!
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:14 PM
May 2012

Young whipper-snappers these days, I'll tell yuh...

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
10. lol back in my day all we had was stone tablets at least according to my kids
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:25 PM
May 2012

but ya know your arms get tired and worn out all that chipping and stuff and well I got lazy I guess

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
2. They're not even good at it anymore.
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:11 PM
May 2012

They lie under oath with impunity. All they are trying to do is create an impression. Perception management. No matter how innocent these protesters turn out to be, they got the headlines they wanted. 'Protesters are terrorists'.

Remember the Rendon Group? Paid hundreds of millions of dollars to sell Bush's war. This reminds me of some of their tactics.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
14. As an Occupier, I can tell you that police LIE and are utterly lawless as they so choose.
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:55 PM
May 2012

I've seen it, I've experienced it personally, I'll see it again.

Most recently, police LIED about an LA Occupier now in Chicago, saying he punched an officer in the chest, sending the officer off of his bicycle. His fellow Occupiers say the cop grabbed him by his collar and then charged him with a felony. A National Lawyer's Guild Observer on the scene confirms the Occupier is innocent of police LIES.

In NYC recently, livestream evidence proved two accused Occupiers were innocent of charges, and that police LIED under oath.

The police are a painfully obvious symptom of an evil system, all of which must be made sane.

I've posted about it here on DU for months:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=57744


This is ten minutes of zero filler, all killer:

Robb

(39,665 posts)
15. Defense attorneys are biased by design
Sat May 19, 2012, 07:03 PM
May 2012

...by design, I'd add, of the "evil system" you're describing.

That's all I'm saying.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
22. And cops lie, most of the time 'by design'. As proven this week in NY
Sat May 19, 2012, 08:22 PM
May 2012

when two of the first cases brought against OWS, fell apart as the cops lies were proven beyond a doubt by the video they hate so much they've tried to make it illegal to photograph them.

They lied under oath, blatantly, despite even their own video proving they were lying. They are so used to lying it is almost a part of them. But those cases were dismissed and two innocent people were proven to be innocent.

But how many unfortunate innocent people are in jail because of lying cops who were not fortunate enough to have video proving their innocence?

This movement is highlighting, every day, the corruption they have gotten away with for so long. Minorities have long been the victims of these lying thugs. But now they are being exposed. No one believes them anymore.

Put it this way, police have so little credibility that even when they may be telling the truth, they will have to prove it beyond any doubt.

Those two cases, the first against OWS, have exposed them totally. Now let's see what consequences there are for false arrest and for perjury by the police.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
28. so whose side are you on?
Sat May 19, 2012, 08:55 PM
May 2012

You seem to have an issue with the Occupy movement itself. I never see you supporting it, just critiquing it.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
31. I've been on DU six years longer than you, speaking out against ninjas whenever I could.
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:11 PM
May 2012

...Unless you think "throwing stars" are the work of vampires?

Page 2: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/natosummit/chi-nato-arrests-proffer-20120519-pdf,0,852022.htmlpage

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. It sounds like there is more to it than the police making it all up.
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:20 PM
May 2012

Especially in the linked to court documents.

And any defense attorney will come out swinging with the 'entrapment' argument. It's Defense Strategy 101.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/chicago_nato_bomb_plot_obama_headquarters_mayor_emanuel.php?ref=fpa

Snippet from the court document:

The defendants CHASE and BETTERLY are self-proclaimed anarchists, and
members of the "Black El-loc" group, who traveled together from Florida to the Chicago ai-aa in
preparation for cornmining terrorist acts of violence and destruction directed against different
targets in protest to the NATO Summit. Specifically, plans were made to destroy police cars and attack four CPD stations with destructive devices, in an effort to undermine the police response to the conspirators' other planned actions for the NATO Summit, Some of the proposed targets included the Campaign Headquarters of LLS. President Barack Obama, the personal residence of Chicago Mayor Rahrn Emmanuel, and certain downtown financial institutions.

D'-Wing the CHURCH Stated that he wanted to recruit four groups of four coconspirators (for a total of sixteen people) to conduct the raids, and that reconnaissance had already been conducted at CPD Headquarters located at 3510 South Michigan Avenue for the purpose of a planned attack. As part of their efforts, the defendants also possessed and for constructed improvised explosive-incendiary devices arid various types of dangerous weapons (including a mortar gun, swords, hunting bow, throwing stars, and knives with brass~lcnuckle handles). as Well police counter-measures such as pre~positioned shields, assault vest, gas mask equipment and other gear to help hide their identity during their operations. At one point in
the investigation, CHURCH stated that he also wanted to buy several assault rifles, and indicated that if a police officer was going to point a at him, then CHURCH would be "pointing one back" at the cop.

 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
17. Donchu know?
Sat May 19, 2012, 07:17 PM
May 2012

Donchu know that ALL of those on the left are so noble they shit marbles and any and EVERYONE who has been caught making bombs and wanting to create havoc with guns, why those are all plants from the Great Fascist Conspiracy!

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
18. Are you saying that we should ditch the concept of innocent until proven guilty?
Sat May 19, 2012, 07:22 PM
May 2012

And that we should not believe what a defense attorney has said upon pain of potentially losing his/her license due to perjury?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
30. I would suggest that no one be believed at face value.
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:06 PM
May 2012

There are plenty of 'bad apples' who claim to be with Occupy and plenty of abusive police. Reading the court documents, it doesn't sound like evidence was planted and anyone targeted for anything other than what was claimed in the hearing.

So I suppose we will need to wait for this case to play out.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
33. That doesn't mean they are now.
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:16 PM
May 2012

There are other cases, too, where protesters who claimed to be with Occupy were caught being destructive.

That doesn't mean Church and the other two were doing what is claimed.

But reading the court documents, it sounds like these bozos were actually trying to cause mayhem.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
35. So it isn't suspicious at ALL to you that........
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:23 PM
May 2012

these were the guys who Utubed the Chicago cops a few days ago talking about "nightsticks to the head in '68" (or something like that) and all of a sudden they're arrested for "terrorism"? Sounds like retaliation to me.

I NEVER believe cops until there is OVERWHELMING evidence that they're telling the truth. They know enough about the system to game it ANY TIME THEY WANT.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
37. I really, truly doubt that UTube plays a part in any of this.
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:27 PM
May 2012

Read the court documents. These guys -allegedly- planned a lot of disruptive, violent activity. A judge apparently decided there was enough evidence to hold them.

The legal system works -most of the time. Not always but most of the time.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
40. The legal system works for political crimes too..........
Sun May 20, 2012, 02:29 AM
May 2012

Just the way it's intended to. Supressing dissent. You don't think that they'd do all this shit and not have a judge on board with it too, do you?

The gloves are coming off and we're starting to see the fists of the ruling class.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
8. The Police State stops crime!
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:23 PM
May 2012

It also starts crime, furnishing opportunities to prove that it is doing its "job" and therefore must be allowed to accumulate power.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
23. Yes. It's been reported all over the media.
Sat May 19, 2012, 08:31 PM
May 2012

Odd how the three 'terrorist beer-brewers' were the same three who exposed the police on Utube and were harassed by them for doing so.

Few people in this country right now believe a word they are told by the police. Two of t he nine arrested were undercover cops, who, according to the NLG were the ones who brought the 'bomb-making' material to the house.

Nothing surprising here. This is reminiscent of the nine 'terrorists' set up by the police at the RNC protests several years ago.

We are getting so used to these 'terror' charges, people just blow them off now until they see way more than they have so far provided.

After the two lying cops were exposed this week in two separate OWS cases, this is just par for the course. They had zero problem committing perjury. Too stupid to realize that when there is so much evidence proving them wrong, so used to doing this to minorities, that maybe this time they wouldn't get away with. And thanks to OWS, it's getting harder for them. They lost, innocent people can sue them and if we had any laws operating in this country, they will be prosecuted for perjury and lose their jobs.

SidDithers

(44,333 posts)
26. Great. Can you please provide a different link to the story...
Sat May 19, 2012, 08:32 PM
May 2012

preferably one not written by an anti-vax nutbar.

Thanks,
Sid

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
21. That headline is very misleading
Sat May 19, 2012, 07:41 PM
May 2012

It should contain the words 'defense attorneys claim' or some variation thereof.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
24. I'm with you.
Sat May 19, 2012, 08:31 PM
May 2012

It's premature to make any conclusions about what really happened. It's plausible that they (the accused) were set-up or entrapped. It's also plausible that they did, in fact, plan to burn buildings and cause chaos. The credibility of the police and the defense attorneys are equally suspect.

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
25. I think I'm going to wait for corroboration on this one.
Sat May 19, 2012, 08:31 PM
May 2012

I never take any examiner.com article seriously without it. Anyone can be an "examiner" and there is zero fact-checking. Examiner.com is not journalism.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
34. Déjà vu. In '68, Daley gave police authority to shoot to kill any anyone with a a Molotov coctail.
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:18 PM
May 2012

Can't the police come up with a better story? One that is a little more credible?

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
36. Obviously not. To coin a phrase.........
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:25 PM
May 2012

"FREE THE CHICAGO THREE!" See it rhymes and everything.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
41. People who aren't out marching with Occupy may be in for some harrowing reality checks.
Sun May 20, 2012, 02:59 AM
May 2012

The powers that be, up to and including the DHS (and tacit silence from the White House), want Occupy destroyed. Period.

Has anyone missed the 7,000+ Occupiers arrested, mainly nuisance arrests? The endless video and photos of bloodied protesters? Scott Olsen and Kayvan Sabehgi nearly killed by cops?

I just posted this week that an LA Occupier was falsely arrested, and a day later, an NLG observer confirmed that the cop LIED.

Two cases were just thrown out in NYC and the cops LIED under oath, and were disproven by video.

And Chicago again:





Have you not seen the endless LIES thrown out by Oakland against the Occupation?

http://occupyobservations.blogspot.com/2012/01/oakland-officials-caught-in-lies-about.html

It has seemingly been confirmed that Chicago PD were caught dressing up as "black bloc" activists today, acting as agents provocateurs. The weight of truth is on Occupy's side. Remember that the congressional overseer for DHS is Peter King, former IRA bagman, who said Occupy cannot be allowed to gain credibility and to effect legislation, and that they are "losers". Then DHS purchased 450,000,000 rounds of hollow-point ammunition and won't explain it. Note that in Germany, some 85 bullets were fired last year, nearly half of them being warning shots. Shrug...
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