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http://www.examiner.com/article/nato-targets-entrapped-police-planted-molotov-cocktails?CID=examiner_alerts_articleNATO protesters rights violated: Targeted individuals accused of terror conspiracy entrapped to highest degree
Defense attorneys told a judge Saturday in Chicago that undercover police brought Molotov cocktails and that their three clients, Occupy Chicago human rights affilitates, were entrapped, according to the Associated Press.
"This is just propaganda to create a climate of fear," said defense attorney Michael Duetsch.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Young whipper-snappers these days, I'll tell yuh...
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but ya know your arms get tired and worn out all that chipping and stuff and well I got lazy I guess
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)They lie under oath with impunity. All they are trying to do is create an impression. Perception management. No matter how innocent these protesters turn out to be, they got the headlines they wanted. 'Protesters are terrorists'.
Remember the Rendon Group? Paid hundreds of millions of dollars to sell Bush's war. This reminds me of some of their tactics.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)I've seen it, I've experienced it personally, I'll see it again.
Most recently, police LIED about an LA Occupier now in Chicago, saying he punched an officer in the chest, sending the officer off of his bicycle. His fellow Occupiers say the cop grabbed him by his collar and then charged him with a felony. A National Lawyer's Guild Observer on the scene confirms the Occupier is innocent of police LIES.
In NYC recently, livestream evidence proved two accused Occupiers were innocent of charges, and that police LIED under oath.
The police are a painfully obvious symptom of an evil system, all of which must be made sane.
I've posted about it here on DU for months:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=57744
This is ten minutes of zero filler, all killer:
Robb
(39,665 posts)...by design, I'd add, of the "evil system" you're describing.
That's all I'm saying.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)when two of the first cases brought against OWS, fell apart as the cops lies were proven beyond a doubt by the video they hate so much they've tried to make it illegal to photograph them.
They lied under oath, blatantly, despite even their own video proving they were lying. They are so used to lying it is almost a part of them. But those cases were dismissed and two innocent people were proven to be innocent.
But how many unfortunate innocent people are in jail because of lying cops who were not fortunate enough to have video proving their innocence?
This movement is highlighting, every day, the corruption they have gotten away with for so long. Minorities have long been the victims of these lying thugs. But now they are being exposed. No one believes them anymore.
Put it this way, police have so little credibility that even when they may be telling the truth, they will have to prove it beyond any doubt.
Those two cases, the first against OWS, have exposed them totally. Now let's see what consequences there are for false arrest and for perjury by the police.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)You seem to have an issue with the Occupy movement itself. I never see you supporting it, just critiquing it.
Robb
(39,665 posts)...Unless you think "throwing stars" are the work of vampires?
Page 2: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/natosummit/chi-nato-arrests-proffer-20120519-pdf,0,852022.htmlpage
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)I don't care how long you've been here...
randome
(34,845 posts)Especially in the linked to court documents.
And any defense attorney will come out swinging with the 'entrapment' argument. It's Defense Strategy 101.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/chicago_nato_bomb_plot_obama_headquarters_mayor_emanuel.php?ref=fpa
Snippet from the court document:
The defendants CHASE and BETTERLY are self-proclaimed anarchists, and
members of the "Black El-loc" group, who traveled together from Florida to the Chicago ai-aa in
preparation for cornmining terrorist acts of violence and destruction directed against different
targets in protest to the NATO Summit. Specifically, plans were made to destroy police cars and attack four CPD stations with destructive devices, in an effort to undermine the police response to the conspirators' other planned actions for the NATO Summit, Some of the proposed targets included the Campaign Headquarters of LLS. President Barack Obama, the personal residence of Chicago Mayor Rahrn Emmanuel, and certain downtown financial institutions.
D'-Wing the CHURCH Stated that he wanted to recruit four groups of four coconspirators (for a total of sixteen people) to conduct the raids, and that reconnaissance had already been conducted at CPD Headquarters located at 3510 South Michigan Avenue for the purpose of a planned attack. As part of their efforts, the defendants also possessed and for constructed improvised explosive-incendiary devices arid various types of dangerous weapons (including a mortar gun, swords, hunting bow, throwing stars, and knives with brass~lcnuckle handles). as Well police counter-measures such as pre~positioned shields, assault vest, gas mask equipment and other gear to help hide their identity during their operations. At one point in
the investigation, CHURCH stated that he also wanted to buy several assault rifles, and indicated that if a police officer was going to point a at him, then CHURCH would be "pointing one back" at the cop.
Archae
(47,245 posts)Donchu know that ALL of those on the left are so noble they shit marbles and any and EVERYONE who has been caught making bombs and wanting to create havoc with guns, why those are all plants from the Great Fascist Conspiracy!
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)And that we should not believe what a defense attorney has said upon pain of potentially losing his/her license due to perjury?
Archae
(47,245 posts)"Oh that's different!"
Cave_Johnson
(137 posts)I actually chuckled...
randome
(34,845 posts)There are plenty of 'bad apples' who claim to be with Occupy and plenty of abusive police. Reading the court documents, it doesn't sound like evidence was planted and anyone targeted for anything other than what was claimed in the hearing.
So I suppose we will need to wait for this case to play out.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)There are other cases, too, where protesters who claimed to be with Occupy were caught being destructive.
That doesn't mean Church and the other two were doing what is claimed.
But reading the court documents, it sounds like these bozos were actually trying to cause mayhem.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)these were the guys who Utubed the Chicago cops a few days ago talking about "nightsticks to the head in '68" (or something like that) and all of a sudden they're arrested for "terrorism"? Sounds like retaliation to me.
I NEVER believe cops until there is OVERWHELMING evidence that they're telling the truth. They know enough about the system to game it ANY TIME THEY WANT.
randome
(34,845 posts)Read the court documents. These guys -allegedly- planned a lot of disruptive, violent activity. A judge apparently decided there was enough evidence to hold them.
The legal system works -most of the time. Not always but most of the time.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)Just the way it's intended to. Supressing dissent. You don't think that they'd do all this shit and not have a judge on board with it too, do you?
The gloves are coming off and we're starting to see the fists of the ruling class.
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)It also starts crime, furnishing opportunities to prove that it is doing its "job" and therefore must be allowed to accumulate power.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
Robb
(39,665 posts)SidDithers
(44,333 posts)boppers
(16,588 posts)I wonder how she still gets published?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Odd how the three 'terrorist beer-brewers' were the same three who exposed the police on Utube and were harassed by them for doing so.
Few people in this country right now believe a word they are told by the police. Two of t he nine arrested were undercover cops, who, according to the NLG were the ones who brought the 'bomb-making' material to the house.
Nothing surprising here. This is reminiscent of the nine 'terrorists' set up by the police at the RNC protests several years ago.
We are getting so used to these 'terror' charges, people just blow them off now until they see way more than they have so far provided.
After the two lying cops were exposed this week in two separate OWS cases, this is just par for the course. They had zero problem committing perjury. Too stupid to realize that when there is so much evidence proving them wrong, so used to doing this to minorities, that maybe this time they wouldn't get away with. And thanks to OWS, it's getting harder for them. They lost, innocent people can sue them and if we had any laws operating in this country, they will be prosecuted for perjury and lose their jobs.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)preferably one not written by an anti-vax nutbar.
Thanks,
Sid
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)RZM
(8,556 posts)It should contain the words 'defense attorneys claim' or some variation thereof.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)It's premature to make any conclusions about what really happened. It's plausible that they (the accused) were set-up or entrapped. It's also plausible that they did, in fact, plan to burn buildings and cause chaos. The credibility of the police and the defense attorneys are equally suspect.
MineralMan
(151,269 posts)I never take any examiner.com article seriously without it. Anyone can be an "examiner" and there is zero fact-checking. Examiner.com is not journalism.
Agony
(2,605 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Can't the police come up with a better story? One that is a little more credible?
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)"FREE THE CHICAGO THREE!" See it rhymes and everything.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)The powers that be, up to and including the DHS (and tacit silence from the White House), want Occupy destroyed. Period.
Has anyone missed the 7,000+ Occupiers arrested, mainly nuisance arrests? The endless video and photos of bloodied protesters? Scott Olsen and Kayvan Sabehgi nearly killed by cops?
I just posted this week that an LA Occupier was falsely arrested, and a day later, an NLG observer confirmed that the cop LIED.
Two cases were just thrown out in NYC and the cops LIED under oath, and were disproven by video.
And Chicago again:
Have you not seen the endless LIES thrown out by Oakland against the Occupation?
http://occupyobservations.blogspot.com/2012/01/oakland-officials-caught-in-lies-about.html
It has seemingly been confirmed that Chicago PD were caught dressing up as "black bloc" activists today, acting as agents provocateurs. The weight of truth is on Occupy's side. Remember that the congressional overseer for DHS is Peter King, former IRA bagman, who said Occupy cannot be allowed to gain credibility and to effect legislation, and that they are "losers". Then DHS purchased 450,000,000 rounds of hollow-point ammunition and won't explain it. Note that in Germany, some 85 bullets were fired last year, nearly half of them being warning shots. Shrug...