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This world and yonder world are incessantly giving birth; every cause is a mother, its effect the child. When the effect is born, it too becomes a cause and gives birth to wonderous effects. These causes are generation on generation, but it needs a very well lighted eye to see the links in their chain.
-- Jalal-ad-din Rumi; Persian Sufi poet.
The controversy over some people from Black Lives Matter interrupting Senator Bernie Sanderss presentation is more interesting -- at least to me -- than the actual event. Id like to discuss some of the dynamics involved in such human interactions, though not limited to either BLM or the Democratic Primary. My aim in commenting on the features of the events and subsequent responses on DU:GD is not to feign certain knowledge of why the disruption took place. People certainly have every right to their own opinion
..based upon their life-experiences and social-political education. Im not seeking to change anyones opinion. Indeed, I find the range of opinions to be valuable, in the sense of stepping back and considering why people may view the exact same incident in very different ways.
A couple of weeks ago, it was reported that The Intercept had acquired documents through the Freedom of Information Act that showed that the Department of Homeland Security has been closely monitoring BLM for the past year. Here is a link, in case anyone did not see this news reported (or had forgotten this):
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/25/1405570/-It-s-Official-Feds-Have-Been-Extensively-Surveilling-Black-Lives-Matter-Activists-Since-Ferguson#
This does not mean that the federal intelligence agencies are manipulating BLM. But it does mean that BLM is being monitored by national, state, and local police agencies. And that suggests, as a scene in Michael Moores classic Fahrenheit 9/11 showed with citizen groups that were opposed to the Bush-Cheney invasion of Iraq, that these types of movements are frequently infiltrated by individuals who may not share the groups goals.
This is not new, of course: in the 1960s and 70s, most Civil Rights and anti-war groups were similarly infiltrated. And, historically, it is the infiltrators who encourage others to engage in the most aggressive, confrontational, and offensive manner. This is distinct from having, during a public activity, undercover officers in an audience. Rather, it is during strategy sessions when infiltrators attempt to persuade the most impressionable folks to engage in some extreme action.
Ill give an example: in doing Native American support work, among other things, we have had infiltrators attempt to get people to engage in confrontational tactics, such as disrupting a Columbus Day Parade. (No, thank you. Thats not our way.) Or, recently, at a pro-environment, anti-fracking program, the fellow who insisted we all engage in clearly illegal activities. (You first. And last.)
This in no way means that BLM has been infiltrated. Nor that, even if it has been, that the events with Senator Sanders was done by infiltrators, or because they encouraged others to do so. But when some DU community members have questioned the possibility, it isnt paranoia by definition. Stranger things have been know to happen.
It is also true that political campaigns, on their own, have used community-based, grass roots groups to disrupt their oppositions programs. This has been particularly true of the republican party since the era of Richard Nixon. The majority of the US Senate Committees report on what we remember as Watergate actually focused on an extraordinary amount of just this type of activity.
In the modern era, it is also accurate to say that members of the Democratic Party have, at times, played hard ball during campaigns. This doesnt mean that they have engaged in unethical and/or illegal activities in the exact manner of republicans. But it does mean that Democrats are capable of creative campaign tactics, both in primary and general election contests.
This does not mean that any of the other candidates in the 2016 primary contest would encourage or endorse the BLMs disruption of Senator Sanders presentation. But, again, it would not be the definition of delusional to consider the possibility that some individuals that are associated at some level of another candidates campaign might encourage, endorse, and/or participate in some disruptive activity.
Racial issues are frequently uncomfortable to discuss on DU:GD. This makes sense, of course, for two obvious reasons: (1) racism has played a central, destructive role in the Americas since 1492; and (2) while the concept of race exists in peoples minds, there is no actual validity to race as a scientific concept. Rather, it is like the boarder between, say, New York State and Pennsylvania: it exists in peoples minds, and thus impacts their behaviors, but is not otherwise real.
Another model for understanding racism is one that my Good Friend & Brother, Dr. Rubin Hurricane Carter used in his speeches to university students, politicians, and the general public. This model, which Rubin would fully grasp while engaging in a ceremony known as the Sun Dance with the Lakota (who accurately named Rubin Badger Star), takes a global-historic view. It allowed Rubin to fully understand his relationship with all other human beings.
Rubin would suggest that, rather than races, the extended human family had -- by the process of evolution -- been divided into tribes. These Tribes of Humanity include the Black, Brown, Red, Yellow, and White Peoples. Within each of these five tribes, there have been periods of conflict within what are the sub-tribes. We can identify hundreds of painful examples throughout history; more, we can see troubling examples today. An example would be the warfare that is taking place in the region known as the Middle East.
Historically, Rubin noted, while the White Tribe might frequently have wars between sub-tribes -- say the French against the English -- as a general rule, whenever a white sub-tribe went to war against a non-white sub-tribe, most all of the other white sub-tribes would rally to support their fellow white folk. Consider, for example, how Uncle Sam would respond to the conflict between France and Vietnam after the end of WW2. The only valid explanation is tribalism (racism).
In the United States today, we have members of each of the five Tribes of Humanity. Rubin and I frequently spoke about the beauty and the social-cultural confusion that results from individuals of one Tribe marrying an individual of another Tribe, and producing offspring. That beauty is illustrated, in my opinion, by the example of Barack Obama. The confusion is, too, when we consider the hatred that so many of our sick brothers and sisters feel towards him.
Hatred, like racism, is a human concept. It does not exist outside of human beings. One cannot find hatred in the Natural World (soil, water, air), or in the Plant Kingdom, or among the non-human Animal Kingdom. Yet, as Rubin taught me when I was a teenager, hatred demands existence within the Human Family today. (And that is the stuff of fascinating discussion in the context of psychology, anthropology, and theology. But I am trying to keep this essay semi-focused.)
There is no wholesome ability to control hatred. While an individual can develop the ability to harness fear, and use it as the fuel to achieve some accomplishment (something that a good boxer does), hatred always consumes the person -- or group -- that hates. There may seem to be a temporary gain that the individual or group attributes to hatred, but it is always a delusion. For hatred, by its very nature, always gains control
.which places the individual or group out of self-control. Always.
Certainly, some individuals/ groups can exercise some temporary degree of control over others by using hate. This is how intelligence organizations, and even the Nixon White House, operated when infiltrating, disrupting, and seeking to destroy those they identify as enemies. One need look no further than FBI Director Hoovers infamous March 4, 1968 memorandum for proof of exactly this.
Too often, society tends to judge groups as sharing exact characteristics. Such group judgments include those based upon sex, age, ethnicity, religion, sexual preference, national identity, education and socio-economic status. This infects the way that too many view other groups and the individuals that comprise it. Here, we need look no further than the discussions of BLM and Bernie Sanders. People see and attribute a wide range of characteristics to groups (members of BLM), and individuals (Sanders and individual forum members), that range from insightful to sadly ignorant.
By no coincidence, the same range of characteristics that define a group such as DU also may well be found in another group such as BLM. Or, for that matter, among politicians. Or any group comprised of individuals of a certain age, sex, ethnicity, nation-state, etc. This, again, is why groups can be infiltrated, emotions exploited, and behaviors controlled. It is also why, in most groups that focus on emotional issues, there are often a few individuals who will behave in an obnoxious, offensive manner, spouting ignorant and erroneous statements, and self-righteously be certain they are 100% right in doing so.
Becoming a Human Being involves constant struggle.
Peace,
H2O Man
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)unless lots of energy is added. Which it can't be, forever.
Very well put. People are so complicated, so diverse - and so flawed.
H2O Man
(73,510 posts)so human. For flawed is the human condition.
Thank you for both reading and commenting on this OP. I frequently wonder if the things that I write make any sense to others .....and more so today, as yesterday, I was knocked unconscious for a bit after hitting my head when I fell. My daughters have ordered me to take it easy for a few days. In fact, they suggested that I spend some time on DU, as they know that I enjoy participating in conversations here.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)I am always appreciative of your contributions.
H2O Man
(73,510 posts)I appreciate that!
mmonk
(52,589 posts)No worries.
H2O Man
(73,510 posts)How are things your way?
mmonk
(52,589 posts)I'll contact you before calling. How about your way?
Same old same old. Now that I'm two weeks away from my youngest heading off to college, I am going to re-focus on a couple of projects. It's kind of funny: I haven't lived alone since I was a teenager.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)but they are still always there and I know you are proud.
H2O Man
(73,510 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)H2O Man
(73,510 posts)Thank you for that. It is perfect for this discussion!
Nietzsche is a wonderful example of something that I've often heard people say .... which is that many people who question their own sanity are actually sane; while many who are convinced they are sane, actually are not. I have several books of his writings .....despite these books being discouraged by some adult relatives during my Catholic (un-voluntarily) youth. I think it's fair to say that he was brilliant -- obviously! -- yet straddled that thin line, at times, between genius and madness.
malaise
(268,717 posts)The most difficult race is the human race
H2O Man
(73,510 posts)There are times when I feel more like a spectator of the human race, more so than a participant.
panader0
(25,816 posts)While I am not religious, I understood "prayers" to mean fervent hopes. I pondered this more than once, and began to try
to control what I was thinking. If a "bad" thought, one that wished harm to others, or one that elevated myself above
others entered my mind, I sought to dismiss it. When I was younger, this reflection was more difficult. I became angry,
like most people do at times, I felt self-centered thoughts about personal gains. But now that I'm almost 65, controlling
my thoughts has become almost second nature. I want my "prayers" to be good ones. I believe I have expelled hatred
from myself, and fear, which gives rise to hatred. I'm still working on it.
I loved the quote from the Sufi poet.
Recommended for a sane voice on what has been a very divisive board lately.
H2O Man
(73,510 posts)It's amazing, to me, as what you have said here is so similar to things Rubin often said when we talked .....about his "first nature" and "second nature," etc.
I'm going to look through a few letters, to find a story he shared with me, many years ago, on that topic. I think that you'll like it.
Thank you, my Friend!
Martin Eden
(12,847 posts)It is a sincere and very well articulated effort to foster understanding of a specific issue within the broader human and historical context.
H2O Man, you are a voice of reason and an extremely valuable member of this online community.
H2O Man
(73,510 posts)That is really nice of you! It really made me feel good to read your kind words. I truly appreciate that.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Thank you.
H2O Man
(73,510 posts)I'm glad that read and liked my essay!