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Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:06 AM Aug 2015

How I know you hate the Mojave bull shark.

The plight of the Mojave bull shark is pretty dire. I think it's fair to say there aren't many left in the world.

But you decided to get together with your friends and watch the season premiere of Big Bang Theory. You know, the one where Leonard and Penny are having uncertainties about their relationship. You weren't hurting anybody but neither were you bringing awareness to the Mojave bull shark.

So I came into your house. I just walked in the door, marched right up to your TV, changed the station and made you watch a half-hour documentary about the endangered bull sharks of the Mojave desert.

You even offered me some of your guacamole and chips but it was the kind with the peas in it.

But now your friends are blasting me on social media as if I was somehow out-of-line. Excuse me for not living up to your expectations, Mr. "We were watching this other show." It's obvious the kind of people you hang out with. Just like it's obvious how little regard you have for this important issue.

Stop being such a hater, hater.

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How I know you hate the Mojave bull shark. (Original Post) Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 OP
What Fa Duck? Hoppy Aug 2015 #1
Ugh. I know you think you're being clever, but I think you're coming off as flippant and tone-deaf. MADem Aug 2015 #2
Good heavens! elias49 Aug 2015 #3
Maybe you can explain what that means. I'm not getting your point. MADem Aug 2015 #4
Oh well. elias49 Aug 2015 #5
I guess you're not going to explain what you meant, then? nt MADem Aug 2015 #6
Nice collage anyway. nt elias49 Aug 2015 #7
It's a collage of dead people. Click on the link and you'll see their stories. nt MADem Aug 2015 #8
god. cyberswede Aug 2015 #35
I could be wrong, but I think what was meant........ WillowTree Aug 2015 #10
I think the OP was a dismissive allegory mocking the real urgency/angst of the #BLM protesters. MADem Aug 2015 #11
I wasn't talking about the OP. WillowTree Aug 2015 #14
This whole thread is a trainwreck. MADem Aug 2015 #17
So you weren't really interested in the explanation you asked for more than once. WillowTree Aug 2015 #19
No--as you can see, I asked for an explanation and never got one. MADem Aug 2015 #20
Not dismissive of the fact the polic are out of control. I have made plenty of posts about the Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #22
I am sorry, I don't see any "soul crushing injustice" in your OP. MADem Aug 2015 #23
BLM is not the end-all, be-all expression of outrage over what has been happening. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #25
I'm not getting anywhere, here. Let me ask you directly, then. MADem Aug 2015 #26
I'm comparing a legitimate, worthy and important cause to bull sharks. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #29
I asked you a direct question. You are not giving me a direct answer. MADem Aug 2015 #30
There is no one particular cause I'm speaking to. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #31
Your evasion is indicative of a person cowering behind implication LanternWaste Aug 2015 #42
I know many would find it convenient if they could pin #BLM to the OP but the fact remains Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #43
And a politician giving a canned stump speech in public isn't friends sitting watching tv KittyWampus Aug 2015 #28
I find it odd hfojvt Aug 2015 #32
Seriously? You think he deserved to DIE, and his body left on the street for four and a half hours? MADem Aug 2015 #34
so I can put you in the denial column? hfojvt Aug 2015 #40
You can put me in the "Bad cop, idiotic escalation, unnecessary death, brutal and disrespectful MADem Aug 2015 #41
denial by any other name hfojvt Aug 2015 #44
Yeah? Well you have a very nice day. Mike Brown did not have to die--bad policing killed him. nt MADem Aug 2015 #45
yeah, sorry hfojvt Aug 2015 #47
Don't be so surprised. BKH70041 Aug 2015 #9
Ya know what this forum needs? Adrahil Aug 2015 #12
Huh? The Mojave bull shark is our civic mascot! KamaAina Aug 2015 #13
Good grief. This is about as LiberalElite Aug 2015 #15
Sorry, I thought s/he was talking about the Mud Shark hifiguy Aug 2015 #16
Well, it's destined to take it's place in your mythology. cyberswede Aug 2015 #36
UNREC. zappaman Aug 2015 #18
I can believe in the existence of a Mojave bull shark, but petronius Aug 2015 #21
or more accurately edhopper Aug 2015 #24
More like watching Big Bang Theory in the town square not in someone's house…. KittyWampus Aug 2015 #27
The frickin Mojave bull shark is the reason nobody surfs anymore at Zabriskie Point struggle4progress Aug 2015 #33
Are your guns safe or ought I be concerned? hunter Aug 2015 #37
I know your trying to be entertainingly foolish but there actually is potential for odd fish in the west now. DaGoogler21 Aug 2015 #38
Yeah, this is about your level. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #39
lalz Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #46

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. Ugh. I know you think you're being clever, but I think you're coming off as flippant and tone-deaf.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:36 AM
Aug 2015


Unarmed People of Color Killed by Police, 1999-2014

http://gawker.com/unarmed-people-of-color-killed-by-police-1999-2014-1666672349

Open this link, look at those faces, and then tell me about your shark.

smh.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
4. Maybe you can explain what that means. I'm not getting your point.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:03 AM
Aug 2015
elias49
3. Good heavens!
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The world is a big place. Multitasking is the new rage. Did you miss the memo?

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
10. I could be wrong, but I think what was meant........
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 11:49 AM
Aug 2015

.......is that people can, in fact, care about more than one thing at a time. We can care about many things and still engage in a bit of unrelated relaxation/entertainment without diluting our concern about other, vastly more important things.

Or, another way to put it might be: Chill already.

Hope this helps.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
11. I think the OP was a dismissive allegory mocking the real urgency/angst of the #BLM protesters.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 05:00 PM
Aug 2015

That's what I think.

And then I think at least one poster thought it was worthy of a little dismissive "humor." I put the scare quotes around "humor" for a reason.

If I'm wrong, I'd love to be corrected. My requests for clarification were met with mumble-junk.

But when I get "nice collage" when I post a link memorializing all the black people killed for no damn reason in 2014, I don't hold out much hope for substantive conversation.

I don't think juxtaposing the real concerns of #BLM with snark about sharks is a very smooth move.

It's stuff like this thread that alienates.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
14. I wasn't talking about the OP.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 07:45 PM
Aug 2015

I was thinking more along the lines that that was what elias49's reference to multitasking was about.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. This whole thread is a trainwreck.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:13 PM
Aug 2015

That poster said "Nice collage" in response to a post about all the people killed last year.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
19. So you weren't really interested in the explanation you asked for more than once.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:18 PM
Aug 2015

Got it. Have a wonderful evening.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
20. No--as you can see, I asked for an explanation and never got one.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:28 PM
Aug 2015

Unless you are a sock of the posters who didn't answer me--and FWIW I do not think you are--you can't give me an answer. You might be well meaning, but you can't crawl inside their heads.

I get the sense that the posts are mocking. I get the impression that the OP compares the extinction of his bull sharks to black people getting murdered and I wanted some clarification on that, and never got it.

I just don't think that's terribly helpful.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
22. Not dismissive of the fact the polic are out of control. I have made plenty of posts about the
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:18 PM
Aug 2015

soul-crushing injustice of what is going on.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
23. I am sorry, I don't see any "soul crushing injustice" in your OP.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:23 PM
Aug 2015

It sounds like you're comparing kids like Mike Brown and Trayvon Martin to bull sharks. The OP sounds snide and dismissive and as if you're making fun of #BLM.

If that wasn't your intent, fine, and if that's not what you meant, I will believe you--but that's what it comes across like to me. I don't say that to be mean, I say it to tell you how you are being perceived by me.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
26. I'm not getting anywhere, here. Let me ask you directly, then.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 10:06 PM
Aug 2015

Are you comparing "bull sharks" to murdered young people like Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown?

That IS what your OP sounds like.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
29. I'm comparing a legitimate, worthy and important cause to bull sharks.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 10:18 PM
Aug 2015

Take your pick as to which cause that might be.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
30. I asked you a direct question. You are not giving me a direct answer.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 10:24 PM
Aug 2015

I really don't want to play twenty questions.

I just want to know if you were comparing sharks to black people who have been killed in this post:


Nuclear Unicorn (16,526 posts)

How I know you hate the Mojave bull shark.

The plight of the Mojave bull shark is pretty dire. I think it's fair to say there aren't many left in the world.

But you decided to get together with your friends and watch the season premiere of Big Bang Theory. You know, the one where Leonard and Penny are having uncertainties about their relationship. You weren't hurting anybody but neither were you bringing awareness to the Mojave bull shark.

So I came into your house. I just walked in the door, marched right up to your TV, changed the station and made you watch a half-hour documentary about the endangered bull sharks of the Mojave desert.

You even offered me some of your guacamole and chips but it was the kind with the peas in it.

But now your friends are blasting me on social media as if I was somehow out-of-line. Excuse me for not living up to your expectations, Mr. "We were watching this other show." It's obvious the kind of people you hang out with. Just like it's obvious how little regard you have for this important issue.

Stop being such a hater, hater.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
42. Your evasion is indicative of a person cowering behind implication
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:02 PM
Aug 2015

Your evasion is certainly indicative of a person cowering behind implication rather than illustrating the courage of their own convictions.

(space provided below to rationalize it as something else...)

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
43. I know many would find it convenient if they could pin #BLM to the OP but the fact remains
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:06 PM
Aug 2015

#BLM is not the first cause with which the tactics were found questionable and it most definitely not be the last. I promise you, in 6 months the OP will be just as valid even though the cause du jour will have moved on.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
32. I find it odd
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 10:52 PM
Aug 2015

that people think a kid like Mike Brown is a good symbol of an injustice.

How many are still either unaware or in denial of the DOJ report?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
34. Seriously? You think he deserved to DIE, and his body left on the street for four and a half hours?
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 11:12 PM
Aug 2015

For his family and friends to see, to watch the blood ooze out of his body and run down the road?

I "find it odd" that you could say this:

hfojvt
32. I find it odd
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that people think a kid like Mike Brown is a good symbol of an injustice.

How many are still either unaware or in denial of the DOJ report?




smh

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
40. so I can put you in the denial column?
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 02:58 AM
Aug 2015

"i. The Shootings Were Not Objectively Unreasonable Uses of Force Under 18
U.S.C. § 242

ii. Wilson Did Not Willfully Violate Brown’s Constitutional Right to Be Free from Unreasonable Force "

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf

That comes from Eric Holder's DOJ under the Obama Presidency.

And left in the street? No, doubtless he should have been moved after about two minutes so people could scream about how the cops destroyed the crime scene to erase evidence of the crime.

It's too bad that he died, but it's too bad that he decided to attack a cop.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
41. You can put me in the "Bad cop, idiotic escalation, unnecessary death, brutal and disrespectful
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:39 PM
Aug 2015

handling of the remains of the young man" column.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
44. denial by any other name
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:17 PM
Aug 2015

is still a very large river.

Unnecessary escalation?

Like when the kid turn around and ran towards the cop?

smh

MADem

(135,425 posts)
45. Yeah? Well you have a very nice day. Mike Brown did not have to die--bad policing killed him. nt
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:36 PM
Aug 2015

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
47. yeah, sorry
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 02:51 PM
Aug 2015

that last reply was not productive at all.

My position, my view, sorta backed up by DOJ is that Mike Brown's own bad actions and bad choices were what killed him.

I try to put myself in each person's shoes. First, put myself in Mike's shoes. Which is very tough. I cannot ever see myself doing the things he did. Right away he either seems like a bad person, or a good person doing bad things. How can anybody deny the bad things? He attacked a person who was armed. That's what got him killed.

Then I put myself in Wilson's shoes. I can easily see myself shooting a large person who is attacking me. Damned straight. Don't want to get killed, then don't attack me.

Again, my own view is that it is okay for the police to shoot some people, even black people, even unarmed people. Not everything the police do is good, but not everything they do is bad either. You mix the good with the bad and that seems very irrational to me. Especially if you tell a dishonest half story, like that link with the pictures did with Mike Brown. That tends to invalidate all of the other pictures there.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
9. Don't be so surprised.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:31 AM
Aug 2015

What you did was the right thing.

White supremacist liberals hate the Mojave bull shark. Somebody needed to make them aware that's how they are viewed by the Mojave bull shark, even if they claim they're in solidarity.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
12. Ya know what this forum needs?
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 05:05 PM
Aug 2015

Another "it's all about ME" snarky reference to BLM. Never enough of those.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
16. Sorry, I thought s/he was talking about the Mud Shark
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:11 PM
Aug 2015

I can't think of a link that wouldn't get me in trouble, but google "Zappa Mud Shark"

petronius

(26,631 posts)
21. I can believe in the existence of a Mojave bull shark, but
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:11 PM
Aug 2015

guacamole with peas? That's right outta the Twilight Zone...


edhopper

(34,145 posts)
24. or more accurately
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:38 PM
Aug 2015

you are watching a documentary on growing income gap and the plight of the working poor and you come into the house and insist that I watch the thing about the shark and you won't let us watch anything else, no matter how important the subject.
More like that.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
27. More like watching Big Bang Theory in the town square not in someone's house….
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 10:11 PM
Aug 2015

and the organizer was a POLITICIAN…. who was only doing it cause he wanted votes not because he's your friend.

hunter

(38,575 posts)
37. Are your guns safe or ought I be concerned?
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:25 AM
Aug 2015

I've always been most dangerous or run away coward without guns.

 

DaGoogler21

(66 posts)
38. I know your trying to be entertainingly foolish but there actually is potential for odd fish in the west now.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:25 AM
Aug 2015

Looks at what our EPA has allowed to happen to rivers of the Navajo Nation this past week.

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