Will anarchy help black people? I think not.

[romanic]

Regarding that interview with Marissa and her talks about "destroying" and "blowing up" the system; it made me wonder if doing away with politics and government will possibly help black people in the fight against racism.

All i could come up with is: HELL NO.

There is no end game with anarchy. No protection. Who or what would uphold our civil rights without government? I doubt any agitating anarchist would care or give a damn when everything id said and done. And even if they succeeded in blowing shit up; what would they replace it with???

So i ask you all, do you think anarchy groups who view the system, government, politicians on both sides, progressives/moderates/conservatives as enemies would ever help black people?

[99th_Monkey]

1. Anarchy has a place, but electoral politics isn't it, by definition actually

I know few if any Anarchists who still participate in elections, except for
perhaps a smattering of OWS peeps who have decided Bernie's well worth
a shot, despite their Anarchist disdain for "politics" ... and those who are
involved know how to 'behave themselves' so they're actually helping --
not hurting -- their candidate's chance of winning over voters.

I think BLM is learning this as we speak, as Demoratic candidates reach
out to them, and this is an awesome development.. I feel confident that
this is the start of something BIG, in a good way, for the Party and for BLM
and what they stand for.

[bbgrunt]

2. great question. It seems that some associated with BLM would answer in the affirmative.

[pnwmom]

3. It makes sense she is drawn to anarchists. She said she was raised by Tea party people,

and Tea party people are libertarian.

The difference between libertarians and anarchists is just a matter of degree. They both aim to eliminate as much government as possible.

But this is just one person. She doesn't represent most of BLM, much less most African Americans.

[ibegurpard]

4. please let black people speak to what will help them

I don't think it will either but I'm not black and we need to stop speaking for others when we don't inhabit their experience.

I think anarchy is a very bad idea and I will fight it.

[romanic]

11. Im half black

and experience the same degree of racism a fully black person so i kind of think i have a say in this. I don't speak for everyone and sorry if i came across that way.

I do agree with your last point; I will fight against anarchy and its followers.

[daredtowork]

5. I agree that anarchy doesn't work

Whenever I talk to anarchists, I think they have a little too much faith in the human ability to creatively make communities from the ground up. The reality is someone would exploit the disorganization by creating a Barbarian Horde and rape and pillage would ensue.We need government and we even need police.

The valid question BLM asks is: what to do when the structure itself innately discriminates against an entire racial category of people.

Basically I think everyone should tune out whenever anyone from BLM starts talking ideology. It doesn't matter because BLM isn't a political party. They are a goal-oriented organization. They take actions to implement specific goals. We may not like their actions. We may complain their actions are ineffective. If they are ineffective, it's up to BLM to try something else. But one thing is for sure: they are not in the service of the Democratic party. They do not see us as "allies". They might be our "allies" if we negotiate toward meeting their goals. But the sooner we stop seeing them as an monolithic ideological entity, the better.

*Special thanks to a book about the Free Speech Movement for helping me understand this.

[sufrommich]

6. Do white anarchists help white people?

See how stupid that question sounds?

[JI7]

7. there is nothing to show even a significant minority of black people support Anarchy

what is the point of this ?

[Gravitycollapse]

9. This is the product of what's commonly referred to as system justification.

System justification theory (SJT) posits that individuals will act in such a way that maintains the status quo in order to prevent the destabilization of their self-identity.

The BLM protest destabilized the mass of left-leaning popular dogma. In order to regain equilibrium, those subject to the dogma will say basically anything to invalidate the protesters. Thus, we have the accusations of infiltration, religious radicalism, anti-semitism, ageism, black militancy...

And now, of course, cries of "ANARCHY!!!"

One notices that these responses don't really make much sense. They are supported by only the flimsiest of evidence. And that's exactly how reactionary movements operate.

[Rex]

12. The point is obvious, to start a flamefest.

I'm so tired of seeing RWing talking points on DU. BLM really has a certain 'element' stirred up.

[Brother Buzz]

8. Juxtaposition, anarchy helped catapult Ronald Reagan into the Govonors office

That is, if the Watts riots were considered anarchy

[Rex]

10. Wow a few black people are fed up and said they won't take it anymore

and people crawl out of the woodworks to tell them how wrong they are before anything is actually done. But you few go on with your bad selves. I see a few black people really hit a nerve here.

And of course your canard of they want anarchy is exactly what teabaggers say too. So keep it up, RWing talking points are really sad to see on DU.

[romanic]

13. I'M fed up too.

Im half black (or does that not count anymore in race discussions ) and dealt with the police and deal with racism (on both sides of my racial identity. Im not crawling out of anything, im speaking up and starting a discussion of an interview I felt needed to be discussed.

I personally think what Marissa and then did was wrong, counterproductive, and attention seeking. I also think anarchy (which is what was alluded to in that interview ) will do fuck all for black people and racial justice and equality.

Where is the RW talking points in my OP? And why do you think black people need to think the same? What is the point of having black folk and other POC on this forum if were all expected to think like a hive mind and parrot the same exact opinion? Can you answer any of that or no?

[Rex]

14. That black people want anarchy, that is exactly what Foxnews and teabaggers say.

So congratulations, you are not only pushing a RWing lie you are doing it on a progressive forum. What ONE person says on TV, does not equal reality no matter how much you desire it to. Sorry.

SO keep pushing a Foxnews talking point, I don't really care if you do just wanted you to know in case you did not.

[romanic]

15. Marissa =/= black people.

She alluded to anarchy, she is tied to a group with anarchist intentions! Stop defending her beliefs and stop denying it!

[Rex]

16. As I said you are repeating what Foxnews says about black people. I guess you don't care at all.

Like I said, go on with your bad self and keep repeating RWing talking points. Again, ONE person alluding to something is NOT as if ALL black people want to riot...and you KNOW this but have no shame so keep repeating the same RWing bullshit that 'black people want anarchy'.

Why do you broadbrush an entire race of people? Right...really obvious to anyone that pays attention.

[romanic]

17. You're the one that keeps repeating here.

Making up stuff and putting in my mouth.

I ask again, why haven't answered any of my questions and "broadbrush a race of people"; I did no such thing! Again you assume im not even a POC. You ignored everything thing i said to make it seem like i think other black people will want to riot. How dare you?

[Gravitycollapse]

18. Your OP is authoritarian, not right-wing.

Not that that makes your rhetoric any less reactionary. Your logic is purely associational. Anarchy was never a topic addressed by the BLM protesters. You bring it up now because it's convenient to your character assassination. Which isn't to say that well-constructed critiques of anarchy don't exist. It is to say that your OP isn't actually concerned with anarchy. You're simply using the term as a pejorative to smear.

[romanic]

19. Call it what you want.

Its my opinion and no one can take that away from me.

[LanternWaste]

21. We often defend our self-validating opinions and biases...

We often defend our self-validating opinions and biases... regardless of how irrational they are. Yet rest assured that no one can, as you so eloquently stated, take away your opinions, no matter how irrational they are.

[Hydra]

20. You seem to have struck a nerve here

I see a lot effort here on DU to not call what Marissa and her cohort did and are doing as it is, or others saying that they are somehow rogues of the organization. the Leaders are backing this, so we need to be clear what they are doing and whether it should be supported and how if it is.

[LanternWaste]

22. You of course, have objective evidence specifically pointing to this that you'll share, yes?

"the Leaders are backing this..."

You of course, have objective evidence specifically pointing to this that you'll share, yes?

[Hydra]

24. Sure, clear as mud:

From my post in another thread, again pardon if the source is not DU approved.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7068599

Edit: GoogleFu got me this, and it's pretty clearcut and more or less what I remember seeing. Apologies if it is a source DU doesn't like, I rarely post articles outside of the very Mainstream, and usually just for proof of quote:

http://deadstate.org/blacklivesmatter-embraces-seattle-activists-deny-they-demanded-an-apology-to-bernie-sanders/

But apparently, the connections between Johnson, Jacqueline, and the group Outside Agitators 206 to the BLM movement are not as unclear as we believed. Posting on her Facebook page today, the Los Angeles co-founder of BLM Patrisse Marie Cullors-Brignac openly embraced the Seattle activists and defended them against attacks from bloggers and the media:

Mara Jacqueline and Marissa Jenae deserve to be treated with respect and dignity. They are [a part] of BLM. I support them in their leadership. Please discontinue harming them through social media. If you have questions about what Black Lives Matter’s does. Please message me. I’m tired of folks not being principled or just hateful for no good reason.

“BLM did not circulate a petition asking for an apology,” she added, referring to a petition on Change.org which many assumed was evidence of “the real” BLM distancing itself from the Seattle event. “We are not circulating articles that are slandering these women’s names. Cut this sh*t out, yall.”

A post on the long-established BLM Facebook page (on which we assume Cullors-Brignac is an administrator) echoed this same sentiment:

The #BlackLivesMatter organization did not create any petitions demanding apology from Seattle based organizers. We have…

Posted by Black Lives Matter on Sunday, August 9, 2015

[Nuclear Unicorn]

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