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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:19 PM Aug 2015

Cop Arrested After His Own Body Cam Refuted His Report, Shows Him Pummeling Teen

In his report, Fraser wrote that his victim, 19-year-old Michael Roquet “struck me with his left elbow in my chest,” and later “he hit me again with his elbow…. so I struck him [with a baton] in the leg and upper body” and then handcuffed him.

However, according to the body camera footage of the incident, it is clear that there is no violent struggle, and only a drunken college kid serving as an outlet for this cop’s rage. At no time in the report did Fraser mention that he struck Roquet in the head. Nor did Fraser mention that Roquet fell to the ground after the devastating blow and that he proceeded to pummel his inebriated victim as he curled up in the fetal position to protect himself.

“He [Roquet] is not resisting at that point, he is on the ground,” said Police Chief Scott Freeman as he watched the video of this beating.

Amazingly enough, when the department investigated themselves, they actually found wrongdoing. In the report investigators issued to Fraser after the incident they stated that “You violated… policy…. You used hard control strikes from an impact weapon… on an individual who was actively resistant, but was not assaultive…. a strike to the head from a baton is considered use of deadly force…. You used more force than necessary.”

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/cop-arrested-after-his-own-body-cam-refuted-his-report-shows-him-pummeling-teen

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Cop Arrested After His Own Body Cam Refuted His Report, Shows Him Pummeling Teen (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 OP
I wonder when these cops will realize that the game has changed? Kablooie Aug 2015 #1
I'm actually shocked the teen wasn't charged with resisting arrest for the fetal position. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #2
Evil and stupid tk2kewl Aug 2015 #3
usually it takes a lot of pleading and work from the victim's lawyer to get the video Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #6
I think that a lot of the brutality is due to the fact that emotionally immature people in the polic JDPriestly Aug 2015 #19
"Filled with Irrational Male Rage" seems to be the number one qualification to be a cop these days. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #4
Roid rage FuzzyRabbit Aug 2015 #22
I've been wondering about that. Are cops tested when they're involved in an incident? 7962 Aug 2015 #23
In Seattle they are not tested for steroids. FuzzyRabbit Aug 2015 #26
Well, that definitely needs to change. If all sorts of athletes are tested for steroids and PEDs, 4lbs Aug 2015 #28
Especially after they've been involved in a shooting. No brainer. nt 7962 Aug 2015 #34
I don't intend to inject levity where none is appropriate truebluegreen Aug 2015 #5
It's more about how people's minds work jberryhill Aug 2015 #30
That makes more sense truebluegreen Aug 2015 #32
Oh come on now, Cops don't lie. Phlem Aug 2015 #7
Oops mythology Aug 2015 #8
I hope things have reached rock bottom... chknltl Aug 2015 #9
This make me wonder: just as eye witness accounts can sometimes be faulty... Beartracks Aug 2015 #10
You make a good point jberryhill Aug 2015 #29
That's one thing many people forget Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #37
Direct link to the YouTube video. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2015 #11
Victim is white awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #15
That thought had crossed my mind. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2015 #20
Jeeze, even when they get it right some folks STILL gotta whine. 7962 Aug 2015 #25
When cops start actually going to prison awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #27
Body cameras clearly don't prevent bad behavior. Brickbat Aug 2015 #12
But WITHOUT the camera, he'd get away with it with no questions. 7962 Aug 2015 #14
Exactly . . . markpkessinger Aug 2015 #21
Nothing prevents bad behavior but if enough are caught and punished we can deter it. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #16
Are you kidding? sub.theory Aug 2015 #17
And medical ID bracelets don't prevent car accidents jberryhill Aug 2015 #31
Yes they do Democat Aug 2015 #33
This post should have said "body cameras clearly don't always prevent bad behavior." Brickbat Aug 2015 #36
I guess he figured no one would ever LOOK at the video?? idiot. nt 7962 Aug 2015 #13
I'm convinced that body cameras on cops are absolutely necessary. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #18
Technology always changes the dynamics malaise Aug 2015 #24
Good- cameras get rid of bad cops and help good cops Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #35
And maybe we're finally on the long trek to that point gratuitous Aug 2015 #38

Kablooie

(19,107 posts)
1. I wonder when these cops will realize that the game has changed?
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:25 PM
Aug 2015

They can't just indiscriminately do what they want to anyone as they have always done in the past.

Boy do we need these body cams. There's a whole ocean of evil that needs draining.

NutmegYankee

(16,478 posts)
2. I'm actually shocked the teen wasn't charged with resisting arrest for the fetal position.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:31 PM
Aug 2015

Because believe it or not, they've actually charged people for reflexively responding to painful stimuli with resisting arrest.

At least this Dept actually gave a damn about justice versus corruption.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
6. usually it takes a lot of pleading and work from the victim's lawyer to get the video
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:46 PM
Aug 2015

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
19. I think that a lot of the brutality is due to the fact that emotionally immature people in the polic
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:03 PM
Aug 2015

force just lose control of themselves. That was what I saw in the Sandra Bland video. An emotionally immature cop who lost control.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
4. "Filled with Irrational Male Rage" seems to be the number one qualification to be a cop these days.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:41 PM
Aug 2015

FuzzyRabbit

(2,217 posts)
22. Roid rage
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:10 PM
Aug 2015

About 25% of police officers use illegal steroids. 'Roid rage is an everyday occurrence with police these days.

From http://www.menshealth.com/health/scandals-cops-and-steroids :

Officer Jimmy, however, is less constrained. "Steroid use is very pervasive in law enforcement," insists the 26-year-old cop. "I'd say, of the cops I know, 20 percent to 25 percent of them are using."
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
23. I've been wondering about that. Are cops tested when they're involved in an incident?
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:11 PM
Aug 2015

If not, thats another step that should be taken

FuzzyRabbit

(2,217 posts)
26. In Seattle they are not tested for steroids.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:22 PM
Aug 2015

The city contract with the police officers union prohibits testing police for steroids.

4lbs

(7,395 posts)
28. Well, that definitely needs to change. If all sorts of athletes are tested for steroids and PEDs,
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:26 PM
Aug 2015

then so should all law enforcement.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
5. I don't intend to inject levity where none is appropriate
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:45 PM
Aug 2015

but I remember Aasif Mandvi on the the Daily Show once, during a particularly bigoted interview, exclaim: "you know we can hear you, right?"

It is ample evidence of just how corrupt police culture is that this officer thought his bullshit would fly, despite the evidence of his body cam.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
30. It's more about how people's minds work
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:55 AM
Aug 2015

What fight between any two people ended with one of them saying "I started it."

The difference with cops is that since a defendant is rarely going to take the stand, their version of "he started it" is the only one that the jury hears.

But people's memories are set up in such a way that self-justify.
 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
32. That makes more sense
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:21 AM
Aug 2015

and would certainly explain the ability of cop perpetrators to justify their actions in a convincing way: they've already convinced themselves.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
7. Oh come on now, Cops don't lie.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:41 PM
Aug 2015
They are all virtuous beings that are flawless.

been there done that, and yes, they lie as good as any politician could ever hope.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
9. I hope things have reached rock bottom...
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:10 PM
Aug 2015

...that this is evidence of the change the citizenry rightfully yearns for.

Beartracks

(14,591 posts)
10. This make me wonder: just as eye witness accounts can sometimes be faulty...
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:14 PM
Aug 2015

... is it possible that cops, too, can mis-remember things about their own adrenaline-charged encounters with suspects?



Otherwise, why bother lying about the episode? Of course, that would actually imply that the cop could have been in some sort of "blind rage" -- which is exactly the kind of loss-of-control cops should be trained to NOT have.

The other option being that the cop simply forgot about the camera and just defaulted into doing his "normal" thing.

In either case: Body Cams are a definite necessity!

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Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
37. That's one thing many people forget
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:23 AM
Aug 2015

Generally they expect a cops memory to be flawless and have the benefit of perfect recall and perspective- while at the same time allowing any other witness or the suspect be be human and have imperfect memory.

Cameras are always great. The protect good cops from bogus complaints. People behave better and are less likely to lie or resist or be belligerent when they know they are on camera. And cameras expose bad cops.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,461 posts)
11. Direct link to the YouTube video.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:20 PM
Aug 2015

For some reason, these websites like alter net and raw story never display for me om ipad.

https://m.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,461 posts)
20. That thought had crossed my mind.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:04 PM
Aug 2015

And/or the cop has enemies in the department.

Yeah, I'm cynical.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
25. Jeeze, even when they get it right some folks STILL gotta whine.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:18 PM
Aug 2015

If it wasnt for the camera, he'd have gotten away with it. THESE are the cases people need to SEE so they can believe that it IS happening everywhere.
What about the cop charged after his cam showed him shooting the guy in the car? That guy was black. Video is making a difference. be happy about it

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
14. But WITHOUT the camera, he'd get away with it with no questions.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:38 PM
Aug 2015

The cameras are another piece of the puzzle

markpkessinger

(8,912 posts)
21. Exactly . . .
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:07 PM
Aug 2015

. . . Nobody ever said body cams would be the total solution. But they are a valuable tool.

sub.theory

(652 posts)
17. Are you kidding?
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:55 PM
Aug 2015

The body cam WORKED! It showed the cop was lying. He would have gotten away with it otherwise. The body cam did its job perfectly.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
31. And medical ID bracelets don't prevent car accidents
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:58 AM
Aug 2015

But if you are allergic to s medication, and are in a car accident, the bracelet is going to help.

The body cam, in this instance, is very likely to prevent this cop from doing the same to anyone else.

Prisons don't prevent crime either.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
36. This post should have said "body cameras clearly don't always prevent bad behavior."
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:09 AM
Aug 2015

And "other solutions are also needed." I support the use of body cameras, but don't think they will end police brutality.

aikoaiko

(34,214 posts)
18. I'm convinced that body cameras on cops are absolutely necessary.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:02 PM
Aug 2015

They will reduce violence and they will help bring justice to some who are violated by police.

A while back I was skeptical because I wouldn't want a camera on me while I was doing my job for 8 hours a day, but clearly they are needed.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
38. And maybe we're finally on the long trek to that point
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:02 AM
Aug 2015

We've all heard for years about how good cops are supposed to help rein in bad cops, for the good of the community and the integrity of force. But we've also seen how that doesn't work out so well in real life, as a cadre of bad cops can rule an entire force through threats, intimidation, and outright violence against their brother and sister cops.

Here's a tool that will help those good cops identify and weed out the bad ones. Let's use it, and get our society working toward that more perfect union I hear so much about, with the promotion of the general welfare and stuff.

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