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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:30 AM Aug 2015

I am not amused.

Oh sure, in the beginning trump's body slam into the republican party was funny, but I find him so repulsive, that wore off quickly. I think his rise isn't just bad for the republican party, it's bad for the country. Yes, he'll implode sooner or later, but his run has already lasted too long.

Trump is a malignant narcissist who embodies the absolute worst things about this country, and as far as I'm concerned, his rise says more about our toxic obsession with entertainment world fame than anything else.

I want him to fucking vanish now.

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I am not amused. (Original Post) cali Aug 2015 OP
K&R Quackers Aug 2015 #1
I wouldn't count on him imploding. olegramps Aug 2015 #35
I would. Quackers Aug 2015 #45
My fear that the inevitable will only happen after he wins the presidency. olegramps Aug 2015 #48
Yes and he could take the whole country down with him when it happens Person 2713 Aug 2015 #52
Maybe it's time this country grew up and learned what democratic socialism really is passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #100
Sanders can win. He just needs to explain the tricks that the banks and Wall Street JDPriestly Aug 2015 #83
You give way too little credit to the Bush Crime Family. Currently Trump is keeping the rhett o rick Aug 2015 #94
neither am i....k&r... spanone Aug 2015 #2
I'm not amused, but I think he's useful to Democrats electorally. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #3
I am not convinced of that. cali Aug 2015 #4
Neither am I. zeemike Aug 2015 #32
He really is bad for us kenfrequed Aug 2015 #47
This: "...he might actually make truly insane republican bullshit look reasonable by comparison." CrispyQ Aug 2015 #62
^^^ Agreed^^^ kenfrequed Aug 2015 #67
That's been my hypothesis also. Time will tell. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #76
Haha! Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #97
Trump makes your entire country look really bad just by his candidacy. Just sayin'. n/t HickFromTheTick Aug 2015 #5
he certainly does. cali Aug 2015 #6
The entire republican party does exactly that.... FarPoint Aug 2015 #7
Sadly, almost half of America doesn't give a shit what the rest of the world thinks, cuz, CrispyQ Aug 2015 #63
Teh Stooopid is heartbreaking, isn't it? I think there's a correlation between valerief Aug 2015 #75
I just don't think he'd be a very good varnisher el_bryanto Aug 2015 #8
lol. yeah, he sucks at vanishing. alas. cali Aug 2015 #10
Okay, we'll get right on that jberryhill Aug 2015 #9
no, but I'd take a voodoo doll with orange hair and some hatpins cali Aug 2015 #13
Trump is the inevitable merger of reality TV and life for many, many people NRaleighLiberal Aug 2015 #11
Good point! elias49 Aug 2015 #22
I've thought this for years. The IQ of the average American must be in double digits libdem4life Aug 2015 #34
I don't know. Turin_C3PO Aug 2015 #55
OK, well in your Mom's case, I'll make an exception. For people who watch TV libdem4life Aug 2015 #56
Yep. Turin_C3PO Aug 2015 #57
Thing is, that if you look closely at the names, they were intended to inform... libdem4life Aug 2015 #58
Hopefully Trump will alienate every available group against the GOP Gothmog Aug 2015 #12
IMO he shows the success of 40 years of GOP attempts to demoralize and turn off the electorate since Hortensis Aug 2015 #14
even worse than that ellennelle Aug 2015 #28
Yes. We may come to be known as the Worst Generation. Still time, and need!, to be great, though. Hortensis Aug 2015 #74
Up to the Republican party and their voters to find Mr. Trump "repulsive". perhaps one of the old Sunlei Aug 2015 #15
Never interrupt your enemy while he's making a mistake. Jester Messiah Aug 2015 #16
+1 Shankapotomus Aug 2015 #19
Exactly! ctsnowman Aug 2015 #37
I think you underestimate the stupidity of the American Right Shankapotomus Aug 2015 #17
These days, impossible. But Big Money will trump, and turn, their stampede toward the cliff. Hortensis Aug 2015 #23
no. I'd bet my last cent that he'll be done by November. cali Aug 2015 #24
I think you made a good point. The anti-intellectuals that dominate the far right AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #86
You could be just as right Shankapotomus Aug 2015 #90
He assures a democratic zentrum Aug 2015 #18
Bingo. bullsnarfle Aug 2015 #29
If there were no Trump, would it be necessary to invent him? malthaussen Aug 2015 #20
Yep, he is toxic for the country. Jamastiene Aug 2015 #21
I've owned several JackInGreen Aug 2015 #25
Careful--he'll sue you Orrex Aug 2015 #26
now that's funny cali Aug 2015 #27
The part that worries me is that a lot of people who have never voted before like him. LiberalArkie Aug 2015 #30
Well said. lisby Aug 2015 #31
Seriously? You've been around long enough to know better. Dawgs Aug 2015 #33
I am increasingly amused by the Trump "candidacy!" DirkGently Aug 2015 #36
Is there a Republican candidate who would make you say, Eric J in MN Aug 2015 #38
This is madness Glassunion Aug 2015 #39
Well, I look forward to debates between Trump and Bernie. libdem4life Aug 2015 #40
The world is right to be afraid of America and it's military being one day in fascist hands, guided Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #41
Too true kenfrequed Aug 2015 #42
Ummm, I'm just gonna say it, Darb Aug 2015 #43
not a chance. cali Aug 2015 #46
You are showing a vulnerability. Darb Aug 2015 #50
you're simply naive cali Aug 2015 #65
I think many will agree with you davidpdx Aug 2015 #44
No, not amused, but he represents the heart of what the repubs have become Thekaspervote Aug 2015 #49
Every Republican on that stage was a different shade of stupid. Oneironaut Aug 2015 #51
That's what I was thinking. It's like a strange reality show where participants Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #85
He's chewing up the republican party from the inside. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #53
Name recognition, tv star, millionaire, woman hater, racist, bigot ...what's to stop him? L0oniX Aug 2015 #54
I agree. what worries me is that too many people find him credible. we have seen this niyad Aug 2015 #59
Yes, I want him to go away. Turin_C3PO Aug 2015 #60
This nation is full of malignant narcissists. Initech Aug 2015 #61
I'm in 100% agreement with you. n/t SpankMe Aug 2015 #64
No thanks, he is causing havoc among the GOP hopefuls. Rex Aug 2015 #66
I disagree Kermitt Gribble Aug 2015 #68
He's basically what Republicans embody d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #69
I think his currecnt success speaks to the problems in our country. Behind the Aegis Aug 2015 #70
I wanna see him go broke from the attempt. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #71
Every time you say his name his ego gets some wings. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2015 #72
No, no, no! I want him to REALLY unleash his inner psycho lunatica Aug 2015 #73
But the polls, madamesilverspurs Aug 2015 #77
It frightens me to know that the mentality of a large segment of the US public AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #79
It's an obsession with insults and public humiliation as "entertainment" arcane1 Aug 2015 #78
More than that, it also indicates that there are a fair number of unstable people out there, and still_one Aug 2015 #80
i agree with you. nt DesertFlower Aug 2015 #81
I would not count on his imploding that quickly. There is a lot of anger in the country. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #82
+1000s DinahMoeHum Aug 2015 #84
True that! Martin Eden Aug 2015 #91
Yes, yes, yes...he is BAD for America. SoapBox Aug 2015 #87
For first time in a long while... K & R +1000!!!!!! TRoN33 Aug 2015 #88
Trump Epitomizes the 'Individualist' swilton Aug 2015 #89
+1!!! The media talks about "how he is sucking all of the oxygen from the room." Dustlawyer Aug 2015 #92
That's exactly what I wanted to say Lifelong Protester Aug 2015 #98
We will go in the next few months Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #93
Trump is part of the Oligarch controlled Kabuki theater. When they are finished with him rhett o rick Aug 2015 #95
Even more than that, I'd love it if the assrockets that think he's fabs BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2015 #96
Trump is our society's creation Recursion Aug 2015 #99
"...who embodies the absolute worst things about this country" C Moon Aug 2015 #101
He can vanish after he splits the Republican vote. diane in sf Aug 2015 #102
And the other GOP candidates DON'T make you want to gag? Lodestar Aug 2015 #103
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #104
if Trump is a Republican strategy, There's a Downside NJCher Aug 2015 #105

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
35. I wouldn't count on him imploding.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:51 AM
Aug 2015

He has the Republican Party by the balls. He is essentially blackmailing them with the threat that if they don't support him unconditionally he will launch a third party candidacy that will assure their defeat. He is an unscrupulous con-man who is using the very same tactics that he employs in his business deals to control them. An example is his threat of bankruptcy that the used against the banks that had financed his ill fated casino ventures. If they didn't rewrite the loans and give him a lower interest rate he would default and leave them holding the bag. He learned after his first bankruptcy not to risk his own money when he almost went belly up, but to bank the profits and let the banks and investors take the risk.

He thinks that he is a master negotiator who can con foreign governments to bend to his will. However, he is badly mistaken if he thinks that he can out maneuver China, Japan and the entirety of
Europe. They have been at this for a few centuries and will hand him his ass on a paper plate. The fear is that he could actually land the presidency in these turbulent times and bring the nation to financial ruin if they unite against America.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
48. My fear that the inevitable will only happen after he wins the presidency.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:17 AM
Aug 2015

Hillary Clinton is losing ground under the successful and sustained assault on her truthfulness by the unscrupulous Republicans and their abettors in the MSM. It is the generally the consensus the Sanders is vulnerable as an avowed socialist.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
83. Sanders can win. He just needs to explain the tricks that the banks and Wall Street
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:45 PM
Aug 2015

have worked in our country with Trump as the prime example, and he can win.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
94. You give way too little credit to the Bush Crime Family. Currently Trump is keeping the
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:13 PM
Aug 2015

heat off of Jeb. At the right time, Trump will back down. I bet Karl Rove is working full time on this.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
3. I'm not amused, but I think he's useful to Democrats electorally.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:33 AM
Aug 2015

He may not be a deliberate Trojan Horse, but Donald 'Elizando Camacho Mountain Dew' Trump is dragging the Republican Party into the abyss.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
32. Neither am I.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:34 AM
Aug 2015

He is the perfect triangulator...He will make the status quo seem like a breath of fresh air to Democrats.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
47. He really is bad for us
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:08 AM
Aug 2015

In almost every possible way.

He gets more people to watch the republican debates with his unending bullshit.

He taints the very concepts of populism.

And he might actually make truly insane republican bullshit look reasonable by comparison. Imagine how reasonable Bush is going to sound after listening to "The Don" long enough.

We should want him to dry up and blow away.


Of course it would help if the Democratic debates would begin so we can contrast crazy-pants bullshit with ACTUAL sanity.

CrispyQ

(40,945 posts)
62. This: "...he might actually make truly insane republican bullshit look reasonable by comparison."
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:26 AM
Aug 2015

I believe that is the end game. Trump will implode & Jeb will get the nomination & look reasonable.

It's gonna be Bush vs. Clinton. It's what the media & the 1% want. The media will pit them against each other like the Capulets and Montagues & make millions doing so. The 1% will win no matter who ends up in the White House, although I believe HRC will win the dem nomination & lose the election. The republicans are taking back the White House even if they have to steal it again. And they may not have to steal it. I think there is a huge contingency, even democrats, who feel the Presidency should go back to a white man. "We've given the minorities their chance & everything is not perfect, so see, they aren't meant to be leaders."

So maybe there's a big crack in my crystal ball, but that's what I see.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
67. ^^^ Agreed^^^
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:24 PM
Aug 2015

And I will further point out that if it ends up being Bush vs Clinton it will not help us at all; It all but invites some third party (or fourth party) challenge and in general it will dampen voter turn out.

FarPoint

(14,755 posts)
7. The entire republican party does exactly that....
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:40 AM
Aug 2015

Lessons are hard learned here in the USA.

CrispyQ

(40,945 posts)
63. Sadly, almost half of America doesn't give a shit what the rest of the world thinks, cuz,
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:28 AM
Aug 2015

"We're number 1!"

valerief

(53,235 posts)
75. Teh Stooopid is heartbreaking, isn't it? I think there's a correlation between
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:57 PM
Aug 2015

stupidity and wealth. In any nation state, the stooooodier the populace, the richer the elites. Because we're the richest nation, we must have the STOOOOPIDEST citizens.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
8. I just don't think he'd be a very good varnisher
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:40 AM
Aug 2015

I mean applying varnish is a slow and time consuming process, and I just don't think he has the patience or the work ethic to do that sort of job effectively.

Oh wait - you said vanish - we'll he's probably even worse at that.

Maybe we can get him to star in a remake of the classic Monty Python sketch "How not to be seen."

Bryant

NRaleighLiberal

(61,842 posts)
11. Trump is the inevitable merger of reality TV and life for many, many people
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:42 AM
Aug 2015

Of course he is going to be popular. This is how many spend much of their time.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
22. Good point!
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:58 AM
Aug 2015

How else to explain the crap like "Duck Dynasty" or stupid shit like the Kardashians, or that ridiculous shw - "19 going on Total Insanity" or something like that.
Who in this country eats that crap for breakfast, lunch and dinner? With a tray-table in front of them. Eating Hungry-man dinners fresh from the microwave.

Sorry, I'm in a bad mood this morning.

Trump is pushing the envelope of civility.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
34. I've thought this for years. The IQ of the average American must be in double digits
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:48 AM
Aug 2015

to slaver over these crappy programs.

Turin_C3PO

(16,385 posts)
55. I don't know.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:00 AM
Aug 2015

My mom's a fairly smart woman (IQ 125, Masters in Education, very well read, etc.) and she loves all those damn programs. I don't get it but I guess everyone has their vices lol. At least she's a liberal haha.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
56. OK, well in your Mom's case, I'll make an exception. For people who watch TV
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:03 AM
Aug 2015

they've got one or two programmed all the time. Very low budget, to be sure.

Turin_C3PO

(16,385 posts)
57. Yep.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:06 AM
Aug 2015

I'm dismayed that every channel I used to love has changed to pure reality/bullshit programming in the last 10-15 years. I'm talking TLC, History, A&E, Discovery, Bravo, etc. It's a shame.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
58. Thing is, that if you look closely at the names, they were intended to inform...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:11 AM
Aug 2015

as opposed to the soap operas and Jerry what's-his-name. The final analysis would be that Americans don't want to be educated on TV...they want escape somehow from their real lives. I can kind of see that.

Gothmog

(179,571 posts)
12. Hopefully Trump will alienate every available group against the GOP
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:43 AM
Aug 2015

Trump's act gets old fast but the idiots in the GOP base who like him are not very bright. Trump will not be the GOP nominee but hopefully Trump's reality show game here will split and divide the GOP

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. IMO he shows the success of 40 years of GOP attempts to demoralize and turn off the electorate since
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:43 AM
Aug 2015

conservative candidates overall do better when voter turnouts are low. All but the ever-useful hard right, of course. I'm guessing he both verbalizes much of their ever-fanned anxiety and hostility and provides a way for them to display their ever-cultivated contempt for ("big&quot government.

ellennelle

(614 posts)
28. even worse than that
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:20 AM
Aug 2015

it's 40 years of sailing thru american politics w/o policy, but solely on (ahem) trumped up issues, like n*****s and hippies and drugs and crime and abortion and guns and gays and wars, OH MY!

trump almost perfectly embodies that crazy base the GOP actually created for instant ginning up every 4 years, to get them to the polls. (and when not even that would win for them, they went after the election process itself; you know that drill too well.)

aside from his support for planned parenthood and single payer healthcare, trump is the perfect embodiment of targeting the low info voter, with a very liberal (heh) dose of incendiary rhetoric and nasty hatefulness a la fox, and voila! the republican frankenstein!

as for his staying power, the minute someone sits him down - like his accountant and lawyer - and tells him he will have to leave his companies and his deal-making and his money while in office, he'll find a convenient way to bow out.

and sure, this will have to happen while he's still riding high, to avoid you know - loser.

such a creep. but not as creepy as the GOP who created his rabid followers.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
74. Yes. We may come to be known as the Worst Generation. Still time, and need!, to be great, though.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:55 PM
Aug 2015

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
15. Up to the Republican party and their voters to find Mr. Trump "repulsive". perhaps one of the old
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:45 AM
Aug 2015

silent republicans will find a voice before he wins their primary.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
16. Never interrupt your enemy while he's making a mistake.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:45 AM
Aug 2015

The more oxygen Trump draws, the hotter the fire's gonna be when he self-immolates. He'll take their entire side down with him.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
17. I think you underestimate the stupidity of the American Right
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:47 AM
Aug 2015

I think they will nominate him because he is them. Trump embodies their own ignorant, narcissistic and competitive personalities. He's everything they want to be themselves.

I'm actually glad Trump is in the spotlight because it finally gives a chance for many of these warped minds to see themselves for the first time. Everyone is looking and so that narcissistic personality is now finally being put to the test in the public eye. When it gloriously and publicly fails in front of the eyes of the world, they will all fail with it.


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. These days, impossible. But Big Money will trump, and turn, their stampede toward the cliff.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:00 AM
Aug 2015

Regarding your last paragraph, maybe it's now you who are underestimating the intransigence on the right? I've always lived in conservative communities and have waited 40 years for any number of harsh, self-imposed whacks to their heads to wake them up. It has never happened. Amazing how people who can be so smart, decent, humble and responsible in their own small worlds can be so stupid, indecent, arrogant and destructive in trying to deal with the rest of humanity.

AikidoSoul

(2,150 posts)
86. I think you made a good point. The anti-intellectuals that dominate the far right
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:03 PM
Aug 2015

have poisoned themselves with cheap, stupid rhetoric for so long that they are brain-numb. Trump symbolizes their own cheap, crass, bigoted, linear thinking. The fact that he made a lot of money via in-the-dirt deals and brute language, proves to them that science, education and a hunger for truth -- is stoopid.

But I don't think they will see themselves in a bad light for admiring him. They don't seek truth, and seeing themselves in him for what he is will not, for the most part, make them see themselves for what they are.

I imagine that they would see the similarity between him and them as a serious compliment!

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
90. You could be just as right
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:47 PM
Aug 2015

It's always possible the stoopid in the conservative base is stronger than I can imagine.

zentrum

(9,870 posts)
18. He assures a democratic
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:49 AM
Aug 2015

…..win. He stands in the way of the really lethal Republicans—Jeb, Rubio, Cruz. I hope he stays and stays, hijacking their debates, holding a mirror up to the worst elements that, in fact, are in our culture and embarrassing the old style Republicans who built this Frankenstein and can't put him (it) back in the bottle.

malthaussen

(18,563 posts)
20. If there were no Trump, would it be necessary to invent him?
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:56 AM
Aug 2015

Is it that you want Mr Trump to disappear, or thet you want the worst things about our country to disappear? Or, to put a finer point on it, is it that you simply don't want to be reminded of the worst things about our country? It is possible, actually, that Mr Trump is inadvertently serving the country: by disgusting more people with the worst aspects of the society, he could trigger a gag reflex and cause us to actually take steps to remedy some problems, rather than just sweep them under the rug. Mind you, I'm not optimistic of that result, but it's always good to accentuate the positive.

-- Mal

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
21. Yep, he is toxic for the country.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:57 AM
Aug 2015

I cannot believe anyone likes him. I don't see how they can do that. He is SO unlikable, narcissistic, and rude.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
25. I've owned several
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:04 AM
Aug 2015

venomous and non venomous vermin, bugs, nasty things in my life.
I want a Trump to finish my cycle and polish off the pet cemetery when quality of life issues force me to euthanize the toupee.

Honestly I'm rather fond of him....he's rude, crude, inappropriate, condescending, arrogant, nasty, mean, egotistical, phony, hollow, misogynistic, racist, low brow, up-his-own-ass, despicable, piggish peace of human filth ever to be wasted printing on skin....he's a perfect face to show the nation how despicable the party he wants to represent is, and if he takes their followers with him in a 3rd party run so effing be-it. We could run a melted wedding cake and win. I'd love to see him up against Bernie. The Great Humble VS The Great Fumble.

Anyone can serve as a good bad example, and he's the BEST.



Also, sometime comic here, my GOD the fountain head of material he's given for the last few decades has been CHOICE.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
33. Seriously? You've been around long enough to know better.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:43 AM
Aug 2015

I wasn't at all surprised to see his numbers go up.

And, I totally disagree about his rise and the media attention he's getting. It's only to going to help drive more people away from the Republican party. He's the last thing they need.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
36. I am increasingly amused by the Trump "candidacy!"
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:51 AM
Aug 2015

Trump is

a) Not going to be President

b) A continuing problem for the Republicans, far more than he is for Dems.

Look at what he's doing here.

He's pointing out that he's a "donor," who has actually written checks to these people (and "our" people). So Republicans have a philosophical problem right off the bat. In GOP-world, the rich are *supposed* to make all the decisions. They are our betters. Witness the group boot-lick when Jamie Dimon went to Congress to explain Chase's crimes. Witness the ludicrously inflated "$10 billion net worth." He's a rockstar to mid-low information Republican voter.

So how can they attack him as illegitimate? Under-qualified? He is everything the Republicans aspire to be: Brash, irrational, dismissive; smug.

They can't come after him. Not hard anyway. Not yet.

Look at his "policy" views as well. He says nasty things, sure. But they're playground taunts, and they play to other problems Republicans have.

On immigration:
The most egregious thing he's said (since being a "birther," anyway) was his attack on Mexican immigrants, calling them "rapists." Horrible, to be sure, but also so gross as to be dismissed by most. AND, what can the Republicans do? They can't attack him too hard, because they all need the base that believes that garbage. And YET, at some point, the big business people can't have illegal immigration restricted *too much,* because they know it actually makes them money.

And we're not building a gigantic wall, or having a business meeting with Mexico or whatever Trump's supposed solution is. It's kiddie talk. Exactly the kind of thing Republicans like to imply, but would never implement. Who would provide the cheap labor on their factory farms?

They're TRAPPED. Trapped with this guy, in a little bitty phonebooth of their own premises and talking points. Did you see their pale, quivering faces at the debate? They're terrified to even criticize him. Lindsey Graham did, and Lindsey's basically gone now.

The man is an idiot, but he's not stupid, if you know what I mean. So the net is that he's throwing out things that make conservatives look moronic, which the business class cannot (but must) refute, that the base loves, but which will NEVER HAPPEN.

On women:
Yes, he says all kinds of nasty names. But did you notice his support of Planned Parenthood? He pointed out abortions are a fraction of what they do in the process. What the hell do Republicans do with that?

Or the fact that he's a relatively recent convert to "Pro-life," who never weighs in on all the insane propositions the Republicans have to actually destroy the right to abortion? When Huckabee and Walker and Rubio start talking their grotesque theories about fetal Constitutional rights being superior to the life of women ... NOTHING from this guy.

He doesn't believe it.

On religion:
I heard a clip yesterday, in which someone brought a copy of Trump's book, "The Art of the Deal" to one of his events. He was thrilled, and started to say something typically smarmy about it being the best book or whatever. Then he stopped himself, and very carefully said it was his "second favorite book." Besides the Bible. (waits for applause). "Because, yeah, nuthin's better n' the Bible. Yeah." (or awkward words to that effect).

Have you ever heard this man quote the Bible?

He is PLAYING THEM. I don't want to speculate as to whether Trump's ego would lead him to actually accept the nomination, although I think it's highly unlikely it gets that far. If he did, though -- yay for us? I've got my eye on Rubio and (blerg) Bush as the likely GOP nominees. Either of them could conceivably be a problem for whoever we nominate.

But Trump? I think every second he is in the spotlight is a win for Dems. He is swinging the Republican base at its nominees like a wrecking ball. He's not even bothering Hillary (She came to my wedding?) or Bernie.

Yes, the man presents himself as an ass. And that part frankly is probably not an act. But "Republican candidate for President?"

He's hurting their brand, mocking their candidates, and taking up nearly all the media coverage, without advancing their cause AT ALL.

As Dems, we could wish for a lot worse.


Eric J in MN

(35,639 posts)
38. Is there a Republican candidate who would make you say,
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:52 AM
Aug 2015

"What a fine person. I'll vote for the Democrat, but that Republican would also make a fine president"?

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
40. Well, I look forward to debates between Trump and Bernie.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:53 AM
Aug 2015

We've never had such an intellectual and political gap...at some point, he's going to hear/grasp the dreaded words..."You're Fired".

But it's also terrible for the country. But those wackos are out there who have found a kindred political soul.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
41. The world is right to be afraid of America and it's military being one day in fascist hands, guided
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:57 AM
Aug 2015

by screaming religious nutjobs demanding the end of days.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
42. Too true
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:03 AM
Aug 2015

He is causing problems that people here can't even see.

By being a flamboyant, disgusting, bullshit artist he is actually managing to make insane republicans look slightly less insane. He does damage to the process and turns populism into a joke. The sooner trump slithers back into reality-tv land the better.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
43. Ummm, I'm just gonna say it,
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:04 AM
Aug 2015

Trump can win. Most americans are dipshits. If Arnold can win California, Trump can win.

So far he is playing it pretty close to perfectly. He has to get the nomination and he has the rabid base in the bag. He's had them in the bag since his birfer idiocy. Or should I say, birfer brilliance. He doesn't really need to believe that shit and I guarantee that he really doesn't. But he bagged the birfer crowd a long time ago.

Then he bagged the racist, xenophobic asshats in the "amnesty" crowd. Check.

Got the homophobes and mysoginists with one little quip in that "Just Rosie O'Donnel" line.

He just has to hang on and hold the line with the idiots and he will. He can fill in the blanks as he goes, but I am certain he will get away with "Trust me, I know how to handle Russia".

Once he gets the nomination, all bets are off. He has a personality and a sense of humor and a lot of money. And he is SUPREMELY confident, and idiots idiots love that.

This I can guarantee, blue collar white guys love him, and not only white guys, but blue collar men. They will come out in numbers to vote for him.

Hillary will have a tough time with him. I don't think Bernie can beat Trump because Trump will dismiss him with the "hugely successful businessman" vs. the socialist. That's a no brainer.

Now pile on.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
50. You are showing a vulnerability.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:23 AM
Aug 2015

Myopia.

Trump might flame out. It might just be a ruse or an ego massage.

But writing him off isn't too wise. I guarantee, the big money on the right are puckering up right now. They are beginning to realize that all the rest are milquetoast. But I assure you they will fall in line if they have to.

It's bread and circuses and american made machismo. Simple recipe actually.

We will know soon enough if he is in for the long haul.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
65. you're simply naive
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:39 AM
Aug 2015

His unfavorables are stratospheric. The power brokers in the party are hardly unarmed. Overall polls that include independents and democrats, show just how narrow his.support is.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
44. I think many will agree with you
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:06 AM
Aug 2015

In fact in an email my mom asked if the end of the world was near (referring to Trump not only running for president, but being the front runner). That's how scared people are of the jackass clown.

Thekaspervote

(35,820 posts)
49. No, not amused, but he represents the heart of what the repubs have become
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:19 AM
Aug 2015

Not sure they are going to do any soul searching, but if it further damages their brand and magnifies the greed OPENLY for all to see good!!!

Oneironaut

(6,289 posts)
51. Every Republican on that stage was a different shade of stupid.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:31 AM
Aug 2015

Some were further along the spectrum than others. Trump is a loud moron, but I find dinosaur-deniers / creationists just as embarrassing.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
85. That's what I was thinking. It's like a strange reality show where participants
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:00 PM
Aug 2015

vye to out-stupid, out-offend, and out-swagger the others.

Sad and pathetic. The ones who retain a shred of sanity, such as Kasich, have no chance in that atmosphere.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
53. He's chewing up the republican party from the inside.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:46 AM
Aug 2015

I hope he stays in the race until their convention and blows that up too.

Odious as he is, he's the gift that keeps on giving for the Democrats. I hope he doubles down on the crazy!

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
54. Name recognition, tv star, millionaire, woman hater, racist, bigot ...what's to stop him?
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:46 AM
Aug 2015

He'll get all the star watcher votes, people who vote because they recognize the name, people who think money means success, the machismo vote, KKK love and the idiot Archie Bunker types who don't know they are bigots. That this guy is even in the public view is pathetic and a sad statement about a lot of Americans.

Sorry gotta go ...Dancing With the Farts is on.

niyad

(132,268 posts)
59. I agree. what worries me is that too many people find him credible. we have seen this
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:11 AM
Aug 2015

over and over again--people we KNOW are batshit nuts are presented as, and believed to be, credible, intelligent human beings (witness the entire kkklownkkkar). it is easy to dismiss him as a buffoon, but there exists such a number of low information voters that he just might stand a chance. the thought boggles the mind.

Turin_C3PO

(16,385 posts)
60. Yes, I want him to go away.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:12 AM
Aug 2015

I highly doubt he can go much further, but honestly, I'm so cynical regarding the average Republican primary voter that I wouldn't bet on it. He won't win but I think it's conceivable (maybe a 30% chance or so) that he can win the Republican nomination.

Initech

(108,700 posts)
61. This nation is full of malignant narcissists.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:20 AM
Aug 2015

Look at those AK47 toting Infowars douchebags in Furgeson. Do we really want them leading the country for the next four years? Hell no.

Trump is the Dark Knight of the Republican party. The party full of malignant narcissists needs a perfect leader for them. He's what they deserve, and will most certainly march them to impending doom. I say grab a bucket and enjoy the show.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
66. No thanks, he is causing havoc among the GOP hopefuls.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:44 AM
Aug 2015

And you want that to end? I want it to go on forever! The GOP is bad for the country, if someone can be a fly in their ointment I am all for it.

I want him to do MORE damage to the GOP now.

Kermitt Gribble

(1,855 posts)
68. I disagree
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:27 PM
Aug 2015

as far as wanting him to vanish now. I agree with everything else you said, but, the longer he runs his mouth, the more he exposes what the entire R party actually stands for. IMO, this will strengthen the Dem's chances across the board.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
69. He's basically what Republicans embody
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:43 PM
Aug 2015

a person who talks out of both sides of his mouth.

Behind the Aegis

(56,104 posts)
70. I think his currecnt success speaks to the problems in our country.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:45 PM
Aug 2015

He truly embodies the darker, more malevolent forces of the US as a whole.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
73. No, no, no! I want him to REALLY unleash his inner psycho
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:54 PM
Aug 2015

The damage he's doing to the RNC is priceless. the others are going to run out of money and never even get to 10% approval! Donations will dry up and leave them blowing in the wind. they'll have to quit before they even had a chance. Then Hillary or Bernie will get elected and the RNC will be a pathetic pile of useless shit for years.

madamesilverspurs

(16,508 posts)
77. But the polls,
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:03 PM
Aug 2015

and Trump's continuing presence at or near the top, testify to the malignancy that is today's republican party.

AikidoSoul

(2,150 posts)
79. It frightens me to know that the mentality of a large segment of the US public
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:12 PM
Aug 2015

is on the same wavelength as that turd.



 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
78. It's an obsession with insults and public humiliation as "entertainment"
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:08 PM
Aug 2015

That's what sickens me the most

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
80. More than that, it also indicates that there are a fair number of unstable people out there, and
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:14 PM
Aug 2015

they vote, and have guns

That should trouble us

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
82. I would not count on his imploding that quickly. There is a lot of anger in the country.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:40 PM
Aug 2015

I've just had quite a bit of it showered on me simply for saying in the African-American forum that Black people did not achieve the milestones in Black rights thus far all by themselves.

I pointed out that it was a white Congress and a white president who passed and signed the Civil Rights Act and that a Supreme Court made up of 9 men, 8 of them white who decided Brown v. Board of Education and that there will be no progress on the pressing issues that BLM is raising if we don't work together and make sure we address each other's issues including economic and environmental justice.

There really can't be any denying that what I am saying is true. But I got castigated for saying it.

With the division among Democrats on a number of issues at this time including the TPP, the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall and the best way to approach race issues, I don't know whether we can unite around a candidate and win back the Congress or not. It takes solidarity and unity to do what needs to be done. After the rejection of my ideas in the African-American group today, I think there are factions that have found their way into our party who want their way and are not ready to work with others or to acknowledge the truth that we have to work together and that we have achieved what we have achieved by working together and not by screaming at each other and refusing to let others speak.

I am very pessimistic at this moment.

What to do?

Trump feeds and thrives on anger. A lot of of Republicans is uniting behind him.

Bernie's anger is righteous and inclusive. But there appear to be very strong wills that do not want to unite their pressing issues with the pressing issues of other and do not understand that strength and the ability to get what you need requires working with allies to help them get what they need too.

Trump and Christie are big bullies. But they aren't the only ones. Part of gaining and keeping allies is telling them thank you when they help you.

Martin Eden

(15,590 posts)
91. True that!
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:30 PM
Aug 2015

When emotions run high, reason takes a back seat.

And far too many voters are incapable of critical thought.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
87. Yes, yes, yes...he is BAD for America.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:32 PM
Aug 2015

Thank you for saying that...I've been saying it all along.

He is not funny...he's not amusing...he is doing us a disservice.

Dustlawyer

(10,539 posts)
92. +1!!! The media talks about "how he is sucking all of the oxygen from the room."
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:38 PM
Aug 2015

They are the ones doing it instead of asking policy questions. Remember not too long ago Bernie was having to train reporters on how to interview him. What questions were relevant and what questions were not. It seems stupid because it is. They do not want us talking about policy because then it would be easy for even the most propaganda brainwashed tools to see that they are being screwed and how they can stop it and turn things around!

Trump is getting more than his 15 minutes because he distracts from real issues and keeps people from hearing the truth and starting to think for themselves!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
95. Trump is part of the Oligarch controlled Kabuki theater. When they are finished with him
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:15 PM
Aug 2015

he will disappear.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
96. Even more than that, I'd love it if the assrockets that think he's fabs
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:22 PM
Aug 2015

Would spontaneously combust.


Recursion

(56,582 posts)
99. Trump is our society's creation
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:34 PM
Aug 2015

Not the President we need, but probably the one we deserve...

C Moon

(13,630 posts)
101. "...who embodies the absolute worst things about this country"
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 02:07 AM
Aug 2015

who embodies the absolute worse things about PEOPLE as well

Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
103. And the other GOP candidates DON'T make you want to gag?
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 04:28 AM
Aug 2015

All the same to me.... Trump just says out loud what the others are secretly thinking.
Makes their attempts at hiding behind feigned moderate tones the farce it is.

NJCher

(43,118 posts)
105. if Trump is a Republican strategy, There's a Downside
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 10:15 AM
Aug 2015

For those who think the Trump effect is to our disadvantage, allowing Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, et al to avoid scrutiny, there's a downside to that and it's "visibility." If Trump hogs the spotlight for a serious amount of time, it lessens the time they have gaining "top-of-mind" awareness. That's a serious problem for bush, because the public image defaults to his disastrous brother. For Rubio and many of the others, there is no significant degree of name recognition. Either way it's a problem.

I see the posters' points, but I think the republicans are in a situation where there is no place to go.

Also, as lunatica points out, there is a financial downside, too: "the others are going to run out of money and never even get to 10% approval! Donations will dry up and leave them blowing in the wind."

Consequently, Trump is to our advantage. As stated upthread, "The more oxygen Trump draws, the hotter the fire's gonna be when he self-immolates" (Jester Messiah).

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Now, on another topic, I would just like to say that this English teacher loved the descriptive writing about Trump's character. It seems certain that many of our DU posters did not shirk the descriptive writing section of their English classes. Another was the vivid imagery. There were many examples, but these were particularly amusing:

Trump embodies their own ignorant, narcissistic and competitive personalities. He's everything they want to be themselves. (Shankapotomus)

Trump symbolizes their own cheap, crass, bigoted, linear thinking. The fact that he made a lot of money via in-the-dirt deals and brute language, proves to them that science, education and a hunger for truth -- is stoopid. (AikidoSoul)

he's rude, crude, inappropriate, condescending, arrogant, nasty, mean, egotistical, phony, hollow, misogynistic, racist, low brow, up-his-own-ass, despicable, piggish peace of human filth ever to be wasted printing on skin....he's a perfect face to show the nation how despicable the party he wants to represent is, and if he takes their followers with him in a 3rd party run so effing be-it. We could run a melted wedding cake and win. I'd love to see him up against Bernie. The Great Humble VS The Great Fumble. (Jack in the Green)

By being a flamboyant, disgusting, bullshit artist he is actually managing to make insane republicans look slightly less insane. He does damage to the process and turns populism into a joke. The sooner trump slithers back into reality-tv land the better. (kenfrequed)


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