White man threatens to kill cops, knocks cop out, injures 7 other cops, gets arrested alive.

[DetlefK]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/13/1411668/-White-man-threatens-to-kill-police-knocks-one-out-sends-two-to-the-hospital-injures-7-officers

This proves that cops have two different modes of thinking, depending on the skin-color of the suspect:

With a white suspect, the first thought is how to neutralize him, the second thought is to not let him get away.

With a black suspect, the first thought is to not let him get away, the second thought is how to neutralize him.





That's why cops are willing to calmly talk to gun-wielding irate white people and to get into a fist-fight with white criminals. They are mainly interested in defusing the situation and don't think much about the method to employ.

That's why they play catch with bullets when a black suspect is running from them. They think first about the method to employ, the gun and the baton, and then they wait for a situation to use them.

[sufrommich]

1. Yep.Obvious as the nose on my face. nt

[procon]

2. That's a very accurate and concise portrayal.

What do we expect when police departments continue to hire ex-soldiers, men who were trained to kill first, validate their violent attitude by loading them up with lethal military gear and then turning them loose on minority communities? How can we expect them to act any differently when they view those citizens as the enemy? There's no other option on defusing tension, or mediation, or civil rights.

This destructive attitude is institutionalized in our society from the criminal justice system, politics, employment, education, every aspect of life, this injustice has been ignored and swept under the rug, and now it's become a pervasive cancer that is deeply entrenched and resistant to change. Maybe it's already too late because it takes at least a generation to instill the necessary cultural shift that would bring about any meaningful changes.

[erronis]

43. +1 - I match your sentiments. Thanks.

[RoccoR5955]

3. If he wasn't white, he wouldn't be alive today.

I am getting to hate this country.

[Bubzer]

6. I love this country... I hate its identity politics.

And greed... definitely hate the corporate greed.

[uhnope]

17. bad logic used to support hate nt

[RoccoR5955]

21. Police use this sort of logic all the time.

That is what is ultimately bad about it.

[uhnope]

23. it was yr logic that was bad & yr hate

your words: "I'm getting to hate this country"

see post #19

[RoccoR5955]

24. Oh?

I hate what this country has become. I guess it was always like that, I just failed to see it.
Do you like that these things are being done here? You think it's okay?
To many this bigotry is the norm. To many this police dominance is the norm. You think that this is something to love?
Sorry, I do not, and for these reasons, I do not believe that my logic is faulty.

[uhnope]

26. so if the police had killed this guy...

you'd feel better and hate this country less? Think about it fer krissakes

[RoccoR5955]

27. NO!

I thought that you might feel better about it. I think you are confused, or trolling.

[uhnope]

29. I'm trying to show you the bad logic behind your hate

I gave you references to the other posts that explain it. If you don't want to read them, and you want to keep on hating, then fine

[RoccoR5955]

30. I read them

I think you are now trolling. See ya!

[LanternWaste]

22. Confusing "support for" with "mechanism for" is a middle school mistake.

Confusing "support for" with "mechanism for" is a middle school mistake. Unless the inaccuracy of your inference was merely based on bias.

Either seems plausible.

[erronis]

32. Guess what. In a decade or two whites will be the underclass.

That's great news.

They'll hold out (hole out) in their little enclaves but won't feel safe in 95% of the US. And those protected spaces won't last forever - grandchildren will be out in the free world.

It's taken many hundreds of years that the native americans don't feel like they are welcome.

It's taken two or three hundreds of years for slaves stolen from their homeland that have felt unwelcome.

Maybe us white folks could live as sub-citizens for a few hundred years to feel the pain. Maybe next time we won't pillage and steal and rape and destroy. But maybe not.

[Supersedeas]

47. who says that there will be a next time?

[retrowire]

4. I'm white

and totally agree.

to be devils advocate though, not ALL cops are this way. but it may be a majority.

you know what we really need to combat police brutality? other than body cams and harsher punishments?

Regular psyche evaluations. Bi monthly.

[Comrade Grumpy]

5. Cops kill white guys every day. Police violence is a problem across the spectrum.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database?CMP=fb_gu#

So far this year, 343 white people have been killed by police.

So far this year, 184 black people have been killed by police.

Black people are getting killed by cops at a rate about 2 1/2 times that of whites.

4.4 black people out of a million have been killed by cops this year.

1.7 white people out of a million have been killed by cops this year.

[4lbs]

7. Another alarming thing is that of the 711 people killed by police this year, 150 were unarmed.

Of the 150, 61 were white and 56 black. The rest were Latino (20), Asian/Pacific (3), Native American (3)

Nevertheless, 150 out of 711 !

That means of the 711 people cops killed this year, 21% (1 out of 5) were UNARMED.

[Comrade Grumpy]

9. And 34 were killed by "non-lethal" tasers.

[Comrade Grumpy]

10. I wonder how many of the unarmed people were in cars.

Cops frequently kill drivers they accuse of trying to run them down. It may even be true in some instances, but I suspect a lot of those drivers were simply trying to get away from the cops. Really, how many people are going to kill a cop because they got pulled over for speeding or even smoking a joint?

[Bubzer]

8. The police-based killings need to stop!

[avaistheone1]

12. Jesse Jackson: Police Shootings About Class as Well as Race

While African-Americans are at disproportionate risk from the structural and human biases of our criminal justice system, we should not forget that working and poor people of all races suffer from police excessive use of force. Police kill more whites than blacks. Of the 700 killings it has recorded, the Guardian reports that 340 were white, 179 black and 101 Hispanic. The Post reports that African-American men were 40 percent of the unarmed deaths, but whites and Hispanics made up the majority. The system has a class bias as well as a race bias. An investigation by Alternet’s Zaid Jilani revealed that in the first five months of this year, 95 percent of police killings occurred in neighborhoods with median family incomes under $100,000. There were no killings in neighborhoods with median family incomes of $200,000 or above.

Not surprisingly, lower-income whites are more likely to say police abuse of authority is on the rise than middle- or upper-income whites.

Excessive force puts white lives at risk, as well as those of blacks and Hispanics. But the silence of the white community and of the white church is deafening. The victims of police abuse are left to seek justice on their own.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/11/police-shootings-about-class-as-well-as-race/

[Comrade Grumpy]

28. This. ^^^^^

Even if it is from the much maligned Counterpunch.

[baran]

41. Thank You

Thank you for this link, it's really helpful and enlightening!

[kenfrequed]

11. I don't wish death on people...

But anyone that can't see how wildly racist our criminal justice system is...

I don't really even have a word anymore. I just don't even know how someone could intentionally pretend otherwise.

[samsingh]

13. that says it all.

[Comrade Grumpy]

14. No, it doesn't. Check out my post #5 for actual numbers.

[Johnny2X2X]

15. More at play

You omitted one of the biggest factors. Cops are so much more violent with black suspects because their aim is to teach other blacks a lesson. Pure racism.

[whatthehey]

16. Sure there's police racism aplenty but, forgive me, black and white thinking is invalid

This thread already has "if he were black he would be dead" posts and will doubtless get many more, stated as flatly definitive and universal facts. We saw the same about the recent execution-style killer of 8 in TX who was taken alive, confidently posted by those who hadn't checked the story and seen that he was, in fact, black.

Numbers don't lie. Black folk in police situations get killed far more often than whites. Racism is undoubtedly a huge contributor to the differential, but the naive guarantees that white living criminal would be dead if he were black and black dead criminal would be alive if he were white is utter nonsense. More likely? Sure. Certain? Makes the claimant look silly. I can't say if a white crazed football player who plowed a truck through a business's windows at 1am in the morning and was behaving irrationally to say the least would have been shot or not, and neither can anyone else. I'm pretty sure not every black man who has assaulted officers was killed either. Making absurd false statements about very real problems makes co-operative efforts to solve those problems much harder.

[erronis]

36. I understand some of this and agree as much as I undesrtand.

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But I think your overall message is mixed.

It is possible to put all the causes and circumstances into a spreadsheet and do fancy algorithms to try to portray this as statistics.

But these analytics don't show the pain that is happening across this country.

The analytics also need to look at contexts that include perpetual subordination, societal discrimination, interpersonal interactions, lack of hope (many non-whites), feeling of privilege (most whites). The list goes on.

It is really hard or impossible to make cogent stories that include every one of these and other factors. Some of it is just being in the wrong fucking place at the wrong time. Or, the antithesis - being a Harvard student and meeting someone who will help you become a billionaire.

[AZ Progressive]

18. More white privilege: blaming their behavior on medication or mental illness rather than the person

They not only talk about his medication but say it in a relatively friendly way, and blaming the behavior on the medication rather than the guy.

[uhnope]

19. or maybe the cops in Revere, MA aren't as trigger happy as in other places

I am totally outraged at police brutality and racism in the USA but this individual case does not "prove" anything.

[MADem]

34. I wouldn't want to tangle with the Revere PD. nt

[uhnope]

38. Tangling with any PD is a bad idea

[BumRushDaShow]

20. Spot on observation.

[uhnope]

25. so if the police had killed this guy you would feel better?

think through it pls

[DFW]

31. "White man threatens to kill cops, knocks cop out, injures 7 other cops, gets arrested alive." So?

That's not a headline.

"Black man threatens to kill cops, knocks cop out, injures 7 other cops, gets arrested alive."

Now THAT's a headline. Just not one you're likely to see.

[erronis]

42. Took me a couple of reads. Yeah - you're right.

But in context:

Oaf Keaper was arrested for firing several rounds of his assault rifle at police. They were able to talk him down from his amphetamine high and get him medical assistance at a local hospital

No trip through the streets of Baltimore in the back of a "Paddy" wagon while sustaining life-damaging injuries. No multiple tasers (TM) to subdue him and stop his heart. No shackling in positions to prevent respiration. No undocumented bruises found around his body and head.

Welcome to the third-world police state. The brown-shirts (Oaf Keaper) are allowed to pass jail and probably collect $200 from some agent of the real-state.

[HughBeaumont]

33. #wellmaybesomelivesmatter

#hopeyoudontgetthebadapples

[Jake Stern]

35. Let me be crystal clear on this . . . .

Folks are actually incensed because the police didn't kill this guy?

[uhnope]

39. pretty much

[DetlefK]

44. Well, let ME be crystal clear to you.

The problem isn't that the guy lived. You could say that it's normal (statistically likely) that the guy lived or that it it's un-normal (statistically unlikely).

The problem is that it's normal that the white guy lives in such a situation and that the black guy dies in such a situation. As evidenced by this very incident.
As bad as the death of this guy would have been (oh, I hope he rots in jail), at least it would have proven that the cops aren't actively trying to treat a specific segment of society like crap.





Half a year ago there was a white guy with an assault-rifle standing in the middle of a crossing in a town, blocking traffic. He just stood there. The cops spent more than an hour talking him into leaving. I saw the video.

Answer me this: Would a cop spend so much as 1 minute to peacefully talk a gun-wielding, order-disobeying black man into leaving the street?
30 seconds?
20 seconds?
Would a cop spend so much as 10 seconds asking a gun-wielding, order-disobeying black man to pretty-please stop blocking the traffic?

[Jake Stern]

45. Right after the de rigeur caveat

you imply that his death could be a positive. So the death of a non-PoC is needed to even the score and show that cops aren't killer racists?

As for your question I can offer an anecdotal reply. I watched Orlando police talk down a knife wielding AA man. No guns were drawn. He eventually surrendered the knife and was led away.

So, no, I am not willing to support your theory that that situation would have been a guaranteed kill for the proverbial AA suspect.

[DetlefK]

48. It's very simple: It's a loss-loss-situation for the cops.

If they kill the black guy but not the white guy, there is systemic racism.
If they kill the black guy and the white guy, there is systemic brutality.

[heaven05]

37. pure white privilege

Period.

[NaturalHigh]

40. See Post #5.

[heaven05]

46. I don't and won't EVER believe

any statistics, any numbers posted by people I could never trust on my back. I don't give a damn what the guardian wrote and with white privilege being what it is here and in amerikkka, nothing any of you say, post or try to diminish registers with me at at all. Just cannot be believe or trusted in any respect. Just hollow words with nothing of substance in them, just white privilege becoming the rule instead of the exception here. Back atcha, triple, quadruple... . Glad to see the Black Panthers protecting and protesting for POC again, up in the white racists face and letting the privileged know, patience has a shelf life and it has expired.

[NaturalHigh]

49. I don't even know what you're trying to say.

After someone types in "amerikkka" I just tune out anyway. Nice use of indiscriminate smileys, though.