Sun Aug 16, 2015, 07:56 PM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
538: "Candidates In Donald Trump’s Position Have A Terrible Track Record"
from the number crunchers at the 538 blog:
Polls show Donald Trump leading in the Republican presidential primary. He’s leading nationally. He’s leading in Iowa. He’s leading in New Hampshire. That’s right — Donald Trump may end up winning … “Polling Leader for the Summer of 2015.”
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Attorney in Texas | Aug 2015 | OP |
longship | Aug 2015 | #1 | |
Attorney in Texas | Aug 2015 | #2 | |
longship | Aug 2015 | #6 | |
Attorney in Texas | Aug 2015 | #7 | |
longship | Aug 2015 | #8 | |
Attorney in Texas | Aug 2015 | #9 | |
Attorney in Texas | Aug 2015 | #3 | |
Eleanors38 | Aug 2015 | #4 | |
TreasonousBastard | Aug 2015 | #5 |
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:00 PM
longship (40,416 posts)
1. Terrible argument!
None of the GOP candidates are over 25% because there are fucking 17 of them. When was the last time that happened? (I mean other than the CA recall.)
It is horrible statistics to extrapolate from a single case. Shame on 538! Sheesh! |
Response to longship (Reply #1)
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:03 PM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
2. That point was expressly addressed in the article. Trump will not be the nominee. Carry on.
Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #2)
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:30 PM
longship (40,416 posts)
6. Well, if there are 17 candidates, likely nobody is going to get 25%!!!
And if they do, it is very likely that they WILL be the front runner.
The issue is not that Trump has only about 25% of the poll. It's that there are 17 fucking clowns in the clown car. And given Trump's character, and that of the other 16, I do not think anybody can predict who will, or will not, get the nomination. Especially this far out. 538 is full of shit. But it sure is going to be a lot of fun. |
Response to longship (Reply #6)
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:40 PM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
7. You're going to argue statistics with a professional statistician with a shockingly accurate success
rate?
That's probably all the data I need. |
Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #7)
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:49 PM
longship (40,416 posts)
8. Well, not that accurate this far out.
Especially with 17 in the clown car.
We will likely have a cage match, with throwing chairs, before anybody is going to sort this out by any statistics. Human behavior is just too damned messy. And, I case you haven't noticed, there are 17 in the clown car and the top news network on the planet is FoxNews. It sounds more like a Zombie Plague than a primary presidential election to me. But I will demure on your issue, for now. But I reserve my right to change my mind if the situation changes. |
Response to longship (Reply #8)
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 09:05 PM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
9. 17 is just a number. If you discount Gilmore, Pataki, Jindal, Graham, etc. (as the Republicans have)
and get the field down to perhaps 8 or 9 candidates who have at least a 1 in 20 chance. The other 8 or 9 candidates are just background noise (those polling at 0% to less than 2%).
Once you eliminate the background noise, the field is not very different in quantity than the 1988 Democratic field, the 2000 Republican field, or the 2008 Republican field. |
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:11 PM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
3. more data: "Donald Trump Is Winning The Polls — And Losing The Nomination"
link
Twelve years ago, in August 2003, Joe Lieberman led in most polls of the Democratic primary. Eight years ago, in August 2007, Rudy Giuliani maintained a clear lead in polls of Republicans, while Hillary Clinton led in polls of the Democratic nomination contest. Four years ago, in August 2011, Mitt Romney began with the lead in polls of Republican voters, but he would be surpassed by the end of the month by Rick Perry, the first of four Republican rivals who would at some point overtake Romney in national polling averages. |
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:17 PM
Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)
4. The far right has its Jon Stewart on.
Most people who say they support Trump always do so with a grin, like they just told a fart joke. It's the old P.C. crap all over again.
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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:18 PM
TreasonousBastard (41,041 posts)
5. Another small point is that asd we get closer to the conventions...
Trump has no serious political organization or loyalties/favors to call in.
We'll soon get to the point where we have money, voting and power blocs that the candidates will woo, many of whom are already well known to those blocs. As much as we might hate the Koch brothers, at least a dozen of the R candidates have been trying to suck up to them for years, and for good reason. But not Trump, and how far does anyone think he'd get if he tried? How's his organizing and connections in the Southwest? Or the West Coast, where they told him to fuck off and go back to New York? Trump's 20% is from the disaffected who don't even get it up for Tea Party bullshit any more and the ignorant who like the show he puts on. Actual voters? |