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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMSNBC is broken, very very broken
yet again, All In has started with Donald Trump, this time at a Town Meeting. Yes, Donald Trump is in the lead on the GOP side, but he shouldn't be the lead off of show, after show, after show in MSNBC. It needs fixed.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I'm boycotting the entire lineup until they stop this craziness.
dsc
(53,386 posts)Hayes is on the bubble of keeping his show as far as I can tell, and he is doing this crap.
Gothmog
(179,305 posts)Trump is disrupting some carefully laid plans of the Kochs and the RNC. You have to admire the damage that Trump is causing.
I will be watching re-runs of All In and TRMS when I get home
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)She has become a cheer leader for Sanders. She is dead to me.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)like the two preening egomaniacs in the morning. Rachel is very liberal so it is expected that she like Sanders. However, she has never gone out of her way to bash Hillary Clinton unlike Lawrence O'Donnell or Steve Kornacki.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)They just want to hitch a ride on the wagon that's going to go all the way.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)all she's done is report on his big crowds. Sorry if that bugs you.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)and sorry that it bugs you that it bugs me.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)So I don't watch them anymore. was the last of the cable news I was watching. but dumping Ed that was pretty dumb. it was a news channel it isn't anymore
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)cheap..... www.dar.fm
Stardust
(3,894 posts)Thanks for sharing that tidbit.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)that's the only way I can stand to watch her show
Laffy Kat
(16,947 posts)And I feel much better.
FloridaBlues
(4,662 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)madamesilverspurs
(16,506 posts)Just turned it on and about gagged.
Why the hell is our media campaigning for this jackass???

arcane1
(38,613 posts)Shandris
(3,447 posts)Hell, he's not even one of our candidates and he's practically filled the front page of GD. I won't claim innocence in avoiding every thread about him - I haven't - but good Christ that's way too much frump. I mean rump. I mean thump. Well, whatever the hell his name is.
csziggy
(34,189 posts)I wish I could do that on the TV - just put in a keyword and that story doesn't come on. I keep trying to watch shows on MSNBC (out of habit) and as soon as they mention Trump I change to something, ANYTHING else.
I'm clearing out my DVR of shows I recorded and never got around to watching. That's good - the new seasons will be starting and I've got a trip coming up so I need more space available.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)SharonAnn
(14,170 posts)It was endless, week after week, one show after another. I finally stopped watching.
And then, after a couple months of this fake bullshit, 9-11 happened. I actually wonderful if people might start paying attention to reality instead of these contrived media stories, but we didn't.
themaguffin
(5,194 posts)Stardust
(3,894 posts)mvd
(65,908 posts)Thanks for the laughs. So annoying on MSNBC seeing Trump + Hillary e-mails coverage all day. But got a good laugh here.
madaboutharry
(42,032 posts)It is Trump all day.
redwitch
(15,258 posts)He loves him some Donald. This is astoundingly bad. The worst part is the room full of idiots who love him too.
Gothmog
(179,305 posts)I find Trump's efforts to subvert and destroy the GOP and ruin the RNC's carefully laid plans to control the nomination process to be funny. I am enjoying the MSNBC coverage of the antics of Trump in large part because I know that these antics are driving Reibus and the Kochs crazy.
Marie Marie
(11,235 posts)He is either spouting crazy right wing nonsense (i.e., his immigration policy) for all the world to attribute to the GOP or he is destroying the other GOP candidates. Works for me.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Watching him wreck havoc on the GOP is great fun!
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)there are of course many other reasons to be mad at MSNBC
livetohike
(24,259 posts)There are many things wrong with MSNBC starting with Morning Joe.
dsc
(53,386 posts)holy crap. I turned it off pretty much immediately but I thought since it went from Hardball to All In I had assumed it was at least a live town hall. Good gravy.
livetohike
(24,259 posts)just started taking questions.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)July 26th. I actually don't miss it..at all and apparently I haven't missed a Damned thing
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)it. I just can't afford the cost of the vomit bags.
They really suck.
Hugin
(37,834 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)I tried to watch afterward, but Maddow lost me when she ignored OWS. I liked Chris Hayes a lot too, but never got around to watching him much, and from I hear he's become more mainstream anyhow.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)be a powerful voice against conservative bullshit. But it's clear that to keep her show on MSNBC she was reigned in a lot. I loved her on the radio, can't stand her on MSNBC. She is not even the same person to me.
malaise
(295,699 posts)but that fact that most ReTHUGs think just like him.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)The leading candidate for President from one of the two major parties. He and Hillary should get the lions share of coverage and scrutiny. And that is what's happening.
dsc
(53,386 posts)and yea it is excessive.
MerryBlooms
(12,236 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)He said, with obvious anger, that Trump had gone beyond comic relief, and is a dangerous tyrant, who has a vision of turning America into a repressive totalitarisn police state...
He and a panel proceeded to bash him very staunchly....And relentless about how dark and stupid the GOP field had become...
tabasco
(22,974 posts)For Christ's sake, I'm sick of these daily reports on the latest villainy of the corporate propaganda mass media.
JUST TURN THAT SHIT OFF!
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)annabanana
(52,804 posts)If we're to counter the crap they shovel to everyone else, we have to know what it is.
H2O Man
(79,006 posts)If a person is offended by these posts, they might take their own advice, and not read them.
Stardust
(3,894 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)which have no interest in the truth.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Do you expect the corporate media to provide a platform for the truth?
[FONT SIZE=8]GOOD LUCK WITH THAT![/font]
Stay glued to your telescreen and your "opposition research." Better you than me.

LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The dramatic lack of relevance in your responses to the OP seems fatuous at best, regardless of whether your big brother, your little sister or even your elderly aunt is watching.
I started watching stuff I taped. But I was actually, god forbid working today and wanted to catch up on, wait for it, news. For example, Carter announced last week he has cancer and would address this week exactly what was up. I wondered if he had done so. I thought, maybe, must maybe some other news might actually have happened today while I was at work and turned on a, wait for it, news station to find out if news had happened today.
reddread
(6,896 posts)and simultaneously allow Pacifica to go down the tubes.
Perhaps the word for this foolishness hasnt been invented yet?
or maybe it has been well understood for far too long.
dsc
(53,386 posts)and I live alone so yes, I want some tv.
reddread
(6,896 posts)they have purchased free reign from our elected representatives.
They are squeezing every last penny out of customers who feel or in fact have no choice.
LOUSY internet infrastructure, telecom deregulation a huge bump in the wrong direction.
we are at one of the most conservative and corpofascist historical moments,
as they dance with who they brought.
Naked and unashamed.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)I don't have cable now. Online I only seem to be able to access partial clips of say Hardball, one a mere 38 seconds, barely longer than the commercial I had to sit through to see it. Given that fewer people, especially youth, have cable they are missing out on a good deal of potential audience.
Because of sports and my team being in the pennant race, plus more steady income, I may get cable soon. But I will be watching MSNBC far less frequently than in the past for numerous reasons including that they fired a lot of the left leaning hosts and even Rachel has become unwatchable, in that she seems to think her audience is dimwitted third graders who need to be talked down to. Probably the only one I'll definitely look for is Melissa Harris Perry.
valerief
(53,235 posts)spanone
(141,470 posts)then two republicans weighing in on trump and of course, Hillary.
we've lost the little sliver of support the liberals had in the 'news' media.
there is no representation.
erpowers
(9,445 posts)Donald Trump should not be the lead story on any channel. I am beginning to agree with some of the Republican contenders who claim the media is giving Donald Trump too much attention and that is part of the reason he is leading in the polls. All of the news media should be informing everyone of the ideas of all of the candidates. How much time has the media spent detailing where the other Republicans stand on immigration, college tuition, and debt? Has the media given people information concerning the policy positions of the Democratic candidates on the same issues? Senator Sanders and Senator Clinton gave multiple speeches over the last few days; however, I think the plans from those speeches have not received the same amount of attention as Donald Trumps talking points.
NRaleighLiberal
(61,836 posts)ago.
It's all a game - rigged so that they win.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I mourn the loss of what it used to be, but I am not going to help its rating by watching even one show. My apologies for that to Lawrence O'Donnell. I miss him.
Sam
PS Does anyone know if MSNBC ratings have gone up or slipped since the shakedown?
totodeinhere
(13,688 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)news not make the news. It comes as no surprise that Trump is ahead. Who else is getting talked about.
I watched Chris Hedges on Link tonight. Much more interesting than anything MSNBC had to offer.
Hotler
(13,747 posts)Hillary and Donald.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Donald is the perfect example of this.
boatsnhose
(40 posts)Brian Williams saves MSNBC
SamKnause
(14,891 posts)Why would you believe a KNOWN and ADMITTED liar ????
boatsnhose
(40 posts)SamKnause
(14,891 posts)You can forgive him, but why would you trust him ???
boatsnhose
(40 posts)for Brian Williams to try something like this again. I am not attempting to mitigate his actions by saying this, but he also has reported a good amount of stories that happened to be true. Brian Williams is not going to mess up like he did in the past. I trust he will return and save MSNBC.
alfredo
(60,289 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)his bullshit.
In the end, the MSM obsession with Trump has had several positive effects:
1. it has been been devastating to Bush and Walker (who were -- and still are -- the front runners for the nomination, but they have been damaged to the point that they may have been knocked back to being on par with Rubio);
2. it has served to highlight the differences between the Republican party and the sane majority -- if a fair immigration policy is important to any undecided voters, the MSM obsession has been a constant drumbeat to convince those voters they have no place in the Republican party -- if gender equality is an important issue for any voters on the fence, the MSM obsession has pointed out that the Republican party invites and welcomes misogyny -- if any undecided voter is have any interest in an adult discussion of policy, then the MSM obsession has confirmed that there is no place for that dialogue in the Republican party;
3. it has reinforced the point that the Republican field is a bunch of clowns with no leaders and no strong candidate, and a sizable minority of the nutjobs who will be selecting their nominee actually prefer the clowns fest.
in the end, I'd much rather listen to a Trump-a-thon than the bullshit phony tension (which does not exist between the Sanders campaign and Black Lives Matter (in truth, Sanders has a perfect record on race and he has given Black Lives Matter more access than any other campaign), the manufactured Clinton email controversy (Bush and several other Republican candidates also used a private email server), and the false will-he-or-won't-he nonsense about Biden (he's not running and there is not need for an "alternative to Clinton" because Sanders and O'Malley already serve as perfect alternative to Clinton who's not my first choice but whose candidacy and campaign are doing a damned sight better than Bush's or Walker's or Christie's or Paul's etc.).
G_j
(40,567 posts)all.. I suppose it's ironic, but it's politics.
Greybnk48
(10,717 posts)I am in mourning, quite honestly. I've been a fairly constant watcher of MSNBC since Keith joined the network and now I feel lost. And it's not just MSNBC. Colbert, Jon Stewart, Letterman, in addition to Ed, all gone. And what is on MSNBC is unwatchable. I had watched Rachel almost daily since day one, but quit when they canned Ed in a fit of temper.
Rachel wasn't on her show the few times I've checked since I've cooled off. She has had Donald-dementia too to a degree when she is there. I like Chris Hayes and Lawrence but was not a truly regular viewer. I'm pissed too that they ignore Bernie, so I watch nothing.
spanone
(141,470 posts)
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I wonder how long it will take for some of my family to notice. They basically watch Rachel, which (sorry) I don't anymore. Not worth deviating away form much better portrayal of entire news cycle which is Al Jazeera. If ya don't get that, then BBC America. If ya don't get that then internets.
Bohunk68
(1,455 posts)since Rachel started schmoozing someone's ass. Tuned in night before last and nearly gagged. The Ed debacle was the last straw for me. Never could stand Chris The Mandibular Masturbator, always jerking off his jaws. Au Revoir and thanks for all the Unnews.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Conan, the Barbarian's got nothin on Chris the Manibular Masturbator
moniss
(9,029 posts)This little twerp swings a big say about what goes on there. I recall him openly being very nasty and condescending to Ed on a primary election coverage program when they had all the anchors at one table. Matthews couldn't stand Keith either. Neither Ed or Keith showed much deference to the established political insiders from media and the beltway. Matthews on the other hand can't fall on his knees fast enough to kiss the backside of those people. Comcast isn't going to give a crap about ratings because this is now going to be THEIR propaganda channel. As a for instance would it really be too much to ask for at least one of the programs in over twelve hours of programming to have some actual serious experts on today to talk about the bills Alan Grayson introduced to raise Social Security benefits? Because the subject is anathema to Comcast it will not happen. Instead we get hours of Trump and we get at least our one hour of vile backbiting from Andrea Mitchell and our 3 hours of Morning Joke foaming at the mouth about e-mail. Why in all this time can't somebody just look at that idiot and say to him "If e-mail and servers are so damned important then why after all these weeks have you not had on an IT person who could explain to us how this all works rather than all of this mindless speculation?" There are two reasons why that hasn't happened. First of all anybody who did say that would never appear on air again and secondly they all know that the mindless speculation fuels doubt and that is what the producers/hosts want. Cross that up and you will be gone and no more TV appearance fees. So they sell out.
grandpamike1
(218 posts)And they promote Morning Joe all day long and cancel the shows where any sort of progressives are moderating, except for a few, but they will be gone soon enough. Thanks FCC and Supremes.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I zap through the Trumpapalooza because they still have some interesting stuff to say about other things, like Rachel's piece on Shell Oil drilling in the Arctic yesterday. Unfortunately, there seems to be no more than fifteen or twenty minutes in each show worth watching. It's a bloody shame.
I don't think M$NBComcast cares. The Mother Ship of the channels approves.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)eom
napi21
(45,806 posts)That makes it a LOT MORE DIFFICULT for the other 15 candidates. You KNOW they're all trying to figure out how in the world they can get some media coverage. Nothing seems to be working for them...none of them! I WANT them asll to have to spend their precious money against Trump which leaves less they can do to the Dem candidate!
Egnever
(21,506 posts)I see that as a downside because the warts arent being discussed on the others. Trump will flame out. then the others will be able to pretend they are paragons of virtue.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Elwood P Dowd
(11,453 posts)Watched Tweety for a couple of minutes last night and cut it off. Watched Rachel a couple of minutes and cut her off. Every single Dem I know has just about given up on them. Without Dems watching, who the fuck will watch that them. Repukes won't watch them, so who will?
Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)MSNBC can keep the lights on. They lost their audience when they cancelled the shows we actually watch. I like Chris and Rachel but now they are just a part of corporate lineup. Lost respect for both of them for selling their souls to Comcast.
Haven't watched since Ed was kicked out.
Al Jazera and BBC are kind of refreshing.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)I would love to tell Rachel how disappointed I am in her talking down to her audience. I don't know if she realizes she does it now. But I see no place to leave any comments via the MSNBC website. If anyone has a way to contact her please tell me. I will mention the Trump 24/7 nonsense too.
marlakay
(13,258 posts)AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)Can you reply to a celebrity there? Would they actually read it? Or would you just be another follower?
marlakay
(13,258 posts)But While reading I see the people I am following answer sometimes, some stars do more than others.
Stardust
(3,894 posts)I contacted her recently and I'm pretty sure that's how I did it. Can't go there now as my iPad can't handle the msnbc website anymore. Too much stuff there and it crashes. Sigh. Modern problems.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)Crunchy Frog
(28,256 posts)I think alot of people were fooled because MSNBC happened to realize that there was an untapped market for progressive commentators, and decided to exploit it. I never was.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)But it is only a veneer atop well-crafted and ubiquitous propaganda.
Much more smooth and guileful than crude WWII-era propaganda.
Retrograde
(11,416 posts)The fast forward button is getting quite a workout these days.
yuiyoshida
(45,386 posts)I had a place bookmarked in my website bookmarks. I have removed it. I won't watch it any longer. There are other sources for news and some of them are not even in this country. I am sure a lot is censored in our news, and we don't hear about it. I have seen stories from overseas newspapers of stuff that should be covered by American news, that are not. Why is that? The corporations are editing our news for us...and the days of real news is dead, in favor of the newest shiny thing.
chillfactor
(7,694 posts)I am so sick of seeing Trump all on the news channels including MSNBC and CNN I could throw up! I quit watching the news channels because all I see is trump, trump, trump.
Mona
(135 posts)N/t
avebury
(11,196 posts)And actually all I have to do is hear the word Trump on any station and I either turn off the TV or change the channel. I am getting closer and closer to wanting to cut the cord on TV.
Vinca
(53,916 posts)But MSNBC totally sucks now . . . with the exception of Rachel.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Haven't watched in years. I know I am not missing much.
colsohlibgal
(5,276 posts)Yes, from dumping Donahue, by far their highest rated show at the time, because he questioned the rush to war, to dumping Ed Because he dared question the TPP, they have consistently shown their true colors.
The good news is that the hold of cable TV slips lower day after day.
Ed is still available, Cenk too, Keith will be back. Hard to keep people in the dark if they don't want to be in the dark these days.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)personality, to the excessive coverage he gets from MSNBC. It's achingly obvious.
dsc
(53,386 posts)but it is hard to escape that conclusion.
DrDan
(20,411 posts). . . complaints about the programming - but still tuning in.
Which do you think is more important to any media outlet - approval or viewers?
If you don't like, change channels. Pretty darned simple.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Neither MSNBC nor any other media outlet are creating the Trump situation, nor could they put a stop to it by boycotting him or whatever.
You lead with what's making the biggest splash, and lately it's been Trump.
He is a product of a dynamic within the Republican Party that is very real, and neutral to beneficial as to Dems and liberals.
Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow are doing their usual excellent job of discussing all the insanity going on with wit and intelligence.
I also continue to think any panic or freak-out among any Dems or liberals as to Trump is misplaced.
He is not a strong candidate for a general election, and most of the damage flying from his wild gyrations is detracting from real Republican players like Rubio and Bush.
Have you noticed he isn't even particularly attacking Democratic candidates?
If you think Trump is actually strengthening RW positions by what he's saying and doing, or that lefty commentators are facilitating that by simply covering the chaos, I don't think you're fully appreciating what's actually going on.
diabeticman
(3,121 posts)kimbutgar
(27,220 posts)And turned it back on for Rachel. I was glad she kind of avoided mentioning him the best she could, he was lurking but she didn't focus like the three previous shows.
I will turn off MSNBC when they have the egotiscal orangutang on from now on.
CrispyQ
(40,936 posts)My take on MSNBC - the 'liberal' hosts are allowed to attack certain GOP politicians - the ones that GOP leaders don't want in the running. Hence the constant attacks on Chris Christie back during the bridge scandal & now Trump. Their hosts are doing the work of the GOP - to take down undesirable candidates - & MSNBC can claim that they are more liberal than the other stations.
In every step of the game, we are being played.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Between FNC, CNN and MSNBC, MSNBC is third in the all important 25-54 demographic in all their shows except Rachel's, and she is second in that category.
Most recent ratings (for Tues Aug 18):
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/08/19/cable-news-ratings-for-tuesday-august-18-2015/450196/
And using this link, folks can check days prior to the 18th:
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/category/cable-news/
Stainless
(719 posts)Rachel Maddow needs to find another venue. She has had to compromise her standards to stay with them. Lawrence O'Donnel has become a shill for corporate dogma. I can't stand to watch MSGOP.
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)And is doing what its corporate masters want it to do.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)calimary
(89,887 posts)CON girl. Used to be on CNN. A very aggressive, combative, obnoxious, and in-yer-face CON. And she's quite rude. Readily talks over people and interrupts and she won't shut up. WTF is she doing on MSNBC? She belongs on Pox Noise. But then again, she's probably not wanted there because she isn't blonde.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Back in the day.
Years ago.
I listen more and more to progressive radio. Thom Hartmann, Bill Press, etc.
Greybnk48
(10,717 posts)I feel lost without a news channel to watch. I'll have to switch to radio like you.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)It's just not real hard hitting news any more.
More like a magazine format with some interesting (?), amusing stories.
And they repeat over and over.
Greybnk48
(10,717 posts)for that very reason. All of the afternoon shows on into evening covered the exact same thing. IMO, I think MSNBC started to slide with the exit of Keith Olbermann. Another mistake was moving Ed Schultz to afternoons. As I said, I just don't watch anything anymore. I read news online and listen to Ed's podcast.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)She played his rant about the illegal mesicans pouring over the border to rape and pillage, Then Nancy showed a murder supposedly done by an illegal. Then she showed another murder by another illegal.
The whole point was, "Look how insightful Donald Trump is and look how much of a failure Obama is for inviting these murderers into the country."
Ordinarily when Nancy talks about a murder she tells about the evidence and speaks to investigating officers. In this instance she did none of that. She went clear outside the regular protocol, such as it is.
I understand this is CNN. I understand it's Nancy Grace a shock jock. But this was entirely different. This was a slimy message. That message was, "Great job, Trump! Mesicans are terrible, they will kill us."
Logical
(22,457 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,180 posts)...then it's off to the Game Show Network.
What if they would try IGNORING Trump for a day?????
PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)We know why though, ratings. Like it or not, everyone wants to watch the Trump show. If they don't get it on MSNBC they'll switch over to CNN or, worse, Fox.
They're getting killed in the ratings already. They can't afford any drop off in viewers. Sadly, that's the way for-profit news works.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)It's not about bias, but about keeping the proles distracted from their own enslavement and angry at each other.
Turbineguy
(40,027 posts)Progressives do not continually need to be lied to. The fear is that conservatives actually look up and see the real world.
frankieallen
(583 posts)That's why Trump, and Sanders, seem to be doing so well, while neither have a chance in hell.
Mike Nelson
(10,943 posts)...they start off on "Morning Joe" with anti-Hillary and pro-Trump stories - of the two, I'd say Hillary is more ethical. More, I'm turning to CNN, which are really not much better. Someone should start a serious progressive channel.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)The media is all pretty much based in NYC, so they think they are far more important than they are.
Trump is part of the NYC club; ergo, he is most important in their eyes.