Kentucky student violates high school dress code with exposed collarbone

[Liberal_in_LA]

pdf of dress code here
http://www.woodford.kyschools.us/userfiles/12/Dress%20code.pdf

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/LDEj9CR7hY3LxP.8.Io0zA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NTQwO2g9NzIwO2lsPXBsYW5l/


"So this is my daughter at school today. I had to come to the school because according to her school principal what she is wearing is out of dress code and inappropriate for school," she wrote on her Facebook page, posting a picture of her daughter at school wearing jeans, a tank top and a white cardigan. "When I got there I found a group of female students standing in the office due to being out of dress code also."

She criticized the school for enforcing a dress code that forbids girls from showing their collarbones "because it may distract their male class mates. This is ridiculous!" she continued in the photo's caption. "Parents are being called away from their important jobs and students are missing important class time because they are showing their collarbones! Something needs to change!"

Dunn said she went to the school with a scarf but that her daughter got sent home anyway after being accused of giving the principal "an attitude." She posted another photo of her daughter, asking of the principal: "What did he want her to tie it like a noose around her neck!"



http://www.today.com/style/kentucky-student-violates-high-school-dress-code-exposed-collarbone-t39211

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. A hint to the principal...

your male students aren't looking at her collarbone.

[hifiguy]

2. Wut?

I can imagine no public place, office or classroom where that would be inappropriate or even anything remotely approaching inappropriate.

Must be the goddam American Taliban again.

[jberryhill]

3. An exposed collarbone would be inappropriate

Hers, however, seems to be under her skin where it should be.

If her collarbone was exposed, someone should call an ambulance.

[Kber]

65. Win!

[dsc]

4. If she didn't take off the sweater than I have a problem with sending her home

but as someone who works in schools, I can easily believe she was walking around without that sweater.

[LiberalElite]

14. and if so, would the collarbone really be

the problem or some other part of her anatomy?

[SamKnause]

15. Confused ???

Could you please elaborate.

Are bare arms forbidden as well as collarbones ???

[dsc]

19. most schools don't let males or females wear tank tops

which is what it looks to me like she had under the cardigan.

[SamKnause]

21. Thanks

[Syzygy321]

52. My kid is a KY public HS student.

The dress code is reasonable. Tank tops are allowed but have to have straps "three finger breadths wide" or something. In other words: sporty and comfy is fine; but there are limits. Same rules for males and females.

I imagine this school on the OP talks about "collarbone" because they don't want to say vague (and salacious) things like "dont show too much skin" or "girls must cover their cleavage.".

[dsc]

61. schools have to walk a line

but most talk about the clothing and not the child.

[cali]

30. she was.sent home even after donning the scarf her mother brought

And do please provide evidence that most schools ban tank tops.

[dsc]

31. I am not going to link every district I have ever worked at dress code policy

but here is the website for the current one I work at www.waynecountyschools.org and you can look up the dress code of that system. The fact is they do, I know you think I do nothing but lie, you have made that abundantly clear, but no I don't lie, and yes, I do know what I am talking about. Oh, and she apparently was sent home for her attitude, it was the parent coming in which was due to her dress.

[Gormy Cuss]

37. Holy crap, tank tops are against a dress code in the South?

I just checked the code for my New England public school alma mater: students must wear shoes, can't wear clothing that damages the floors or furniture (think cleats on boots,) but otherwise are only directed to wear clothing that doesn't cause a disruption. The latter includes tees with vulgar or bigoted messages, going topless (boys or girls) and wearing swimsuits. Principals have discretion in deeming outfits inappropriate but there is no blanket ban on tank tops, shorts, etc.

[dsc]

38. yeah we do

but we also have air conditioned schools which the district I grew up in didn't.

[Gormy Cuss]

39. You must also have mostly students who don't walk to school.

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Part of the reason my old school district has such a liberal dress code is that legislating how female students dressed was incompatible with the realities of students walking up to two miles in sub-freezing temperatures.

[dsc]

43. many of our schools aren't in the most accessable places so yea

we have few walkers.

[Jamastiene]

79. My junior high school was no air conditioned.

It was only a few years ago that school got torn down. It never had air conditioning in all the years it existed. I'm here in NC too. I've seen the no tank top rule.

[Syzygy321]

56. If you have been to Justice (tween girl's clothing store)

you will have noticed that some tank styles are skin-tight with spaghetti straps. (Theoretically they are meant to be worn under loose cropped shirts. But some girls like to turn heads, since that's what girls are taught to do. And every new limit must be pushed, if you want to get noticed.).

Some tank tops are NBA-style and not a problem. But some look like the top 2/3 of an SI swimsuit. Hence, rules.

(BTW i left chilly NE for points south. It gets hot down here like you wouldn't believe. We don't wear more fabric than we're forced to )

[Gormy Cuss]

59. Or hence, discretion

which seems to be working where I'm from. Of course, that same school system lets kids wear their own clothes in graduation portraits too rather than drapes and tuxes.

[Syzygy321]

62. But whose discretion?

- The kids' discretion to choose? C'mon. Girls are valued for sexiness and they want to fit in. ( Boys too, maybe, but I wouldn't know.). Some will push the envelope and others will feel left out because they don't have the sexy look.

--parent's discretion? Not all parents can control their kids' clothing choices. And many of us don't want that burden.

-- Principal's discretion? Worse yet: He/she uses personal judgment to decide who looks too sexy and who doesn't? Bad! Very very bad!!

[Gormy Cuss]

74. The principal using guidelines from the school district.

It's not any different from other decisions principals make, they must withstand the scrutiny of the school board. Principals also have to contend with parents, another limiting factor in their decision-making.

It's not that hard and kids, although they may not admit it, quickly understand the boundaries. What that young woman in the OP is wearing should not violate a high school dress code. That's ridiculous. dsc suggested that the violation was called because she was only wearing the tank/under-layer of the sweater set but in context that doesn't appear to be case -- it was this bizarre collar bone exposure rule. If this were my child I'd be on the phone to the whole school board AFTER telling the principal how stupid this dress code stipulation is.

eta: I was part of a group of students who forced the issue in my SD, so I know that arguing can effect change.

[Syzygy321]

55. As I noted above: my KY girl goes to a public HS

that requests kids' tank tops have wide straps. And I am fine with that.

BTW: my daughter is a brain but not a beauty. If girls were allowed to wear super-sexy clothes and make objects of themselves (as our media and culture sadly encourages), it's kids like mine who would suffer from being unable to compete in the meat market.

I'll say it: Years ago I was appalled when my oldest child started kindergarten and I learned they had uniforms. Uniforms, gross! (This was an Islamic school but the uniforms were standard navy-blue things).

Within a week I LOVED them. Easy, no fuss, and a great equalizer.

[pnwmom]

47. They never accused her of taking off her sweater, but that wouldn't affect her collar bones anyway,

and that's what they were accusing her of exposing.

[dsc]

48. If she is wearing a tank

it surely would. I think their explanation is one of the odder ones I have heard, but banning tank tops isn't odd.

[pnwmom]

49. No, it wouldn't. You can see what is exposed in the picture. And they did NOT claim

she took her sweater off or that the problem was with her wearing a tank under a sweater. The problem was that her collar bones were exposed, because their nutty rule is that they can't be.

[dsc]

50. actually you don't have their side at all

you have hers and her parents.

[Syzygy321]

58. They have to have an objective standard.

They use collarbones, so they don't have to go on general "sexiness" - which tends to discriminate against well-endowed girls. (For example, if two girls - one with an athletic frame and the other fat or curvaceous - wear the same tank, only one will look overtly sexy or inappropriate. But the school shouldn't discriminate based on cup size. (You dont want creepy principals saying, "Er, Brittany, you're a little too...umm...developed....for that top".)

So this school made a collarbone rule, and now everyone (hopefully boys too) is held to the same standard. Makes sense.

[pnwmom]

63. One of the girls in a video made about this subject said that the dress standard is not applied

the same to boys and girls -- that her boyfriend wore his soccer shorts to this school without any problem, but when she wore the same soccer shorts she got in trouble.

[Syzygy321]

64. I hate to hear that. Should be same for both.

Though if the rule is "knee length" or "can't be skin tight" then the same shorts might be fine on one body and not on another.

The school has a big job and a lot of kids - all types - to protect. The mom isn't considering that; she thinks it's all about her own precious child and her own inconvenience. Yeah whatevs.

[kcr]

80. Or she might be agreeing with you on rules like "knee length", and "can't be skin tight"

Those types of dress codes, while attempting to be subjective and fair, are anything but for the reasons you just outlined. In fact, it sounds to me that is exactly what her complaint is. So, what should she be considering?

[Syzygy321]

82. I don't understand - I thought the rule was

"no visible collarbone" and the mom was angry because she thought her kid looked fine, collarbone or no.

(And in fact I agree she looks fine, collarbone or no. But IF the school has a no-collarbone policy and they let Suzy show collarbone (because it isn't oversexy on her body type) and then they come down hard on double-D Marilyn for the exact same outfit, that's NOT okay.)

As long as the standard is not draconian and is universally applied I have no problem - in fact I think it is helpful and protective of children.

If it is selectively applied: problem.

[kcr]

85. No visible collarbone is based on a measurement

Just like skirt length. It won't affect everyone the same way. For example, my short neck and wide shoulder blades means my collar bones tend to stick out and sit higher in relation to the collar of a shirt. This rule in a dress code would mean perpetual turtlenecks.

[maxsolomon]

5. Professor, her kind of woman doesn't belong on any committee.

Of course, I shouldn't tell you this but she advocates dirty books.

Dirty books!

Chaucer!
Rabelais!
Balzac!

And the worst thing
Of course, I shouldn't tell you this but-
I'll tell.
The man lived on my street, let me tell.
Stop! I'll tell.
She made brazen overtures to a man who never had a friend
In this town till she came here.

Oh, yes, that woman made brazen overtures
With a gilt-edged guarantee
She had a golden glint in her eye
And a silver voice with a counterfeit ring
Just melt her down and you'll reveal
A lump of lead as cold as steel
Here, where a woman's heart should be!

He left River City the library building
But he left all the books to her
Chaucer!
Rabelais!
Balzac!

[REP]

66. Baaaaaaallll-zac!

Pick pick pick!
Talk a little pick a little pick pick pick ...

[stevenleser]

6. That shirt and jacket plus slacks would qualify as business casual in any corporate environment

The dress code is ridiculous

[PoliticAverse]

7. Good thing I can still get my fix from Collarbone Cuties magazine. n/t

[MADem]

8. She could have just paperclipped her sweater together at the top...!

Maybe all the guys in that school should attend in "knee length skirts" and test the patience of the administrators.


If they're going to nit-pick like that, they may as well just go to school uniforms and piss everyone off!

[mythology]

9. Obviously she's a harlot

What does she think school is? Sodom and Gomorrah?

Thank God that we have such fearless men as this principle. No doubt he got his stalwart resolve from the good example and save us from this modern day Hester Prynne.

I personally salute this upstanding guardian of civil and moral virtue.

Some people are really just too damn stupid to be allowed to be in a position of control over others. Unfortunately those people often seem to somehow weasel their way into power.

[Warpy]

10. Christ! Instead of having girls miss school and parents miss work

they should just issue blinders to all the male students so they could focus on the teacher and on the papers in front of them and they'd never be distracted by a collar bone, an ear lobe, hair, or an ankle poking out of the bottom of baggy jeans.

This is a MALE problem and they're punishing girls for it. Time to go after the problem where it really exists, on males in class who can't focus on their own work. Take care of that problem and maybe both sexes can get an education.

I'm sick of these idiotic dress codes for women and even girls. It's NOT OUR PROBLEM, guys, it's YOURS!

[laundry_queen]

22. In these cases I wonder if it isn't the principal's problem.

And not even the teenage boys' issue.

I'm sick of the dress codes too. My teen daughters go to the same high school I did. The dress code has gone backwards 5 decades during that period. It's sick. When I was in school no one had issues getting an education because of how others were dressed. And believe me when I say we dressed racy.

In that school now, my girls can't even wear tank tops during phys ed in a sweltering gym in June (in a school with no air conditioning) because, you know. Arms and shoulders. Or something.

Same thing in the local elementary school. I had NO idea about the dress code and sent my 5 year old to kindergarten in a sundress. The teacher made her wear her fucking sweater all day- on a HOT day - because dresses without sleeves are not allowed. Are you FUCKING kidding me? I told the teacher I thought it was ridiculous.

Thankfully, teenage girls all over Canada right now are seriously rebelling against this and holding protests at their schools. Good.

[davidn3600]

26. I seriously doubt the boys are complaining

You really think a boy is complaining about seeing a girl's collar bone?

It's usually a problem with the principal or school board, who uses the boys as an excuse. Or other conservative parents who don't like girls dressing a certain way so they complain.

[Warpy]

40. Of course not, the principal is the problem here

but they always oppress girls instead of focusing on what they think is the distraction of the precious little boys who can't keep their eyes on their work for the sight of an evil collar bone.

That's why my blinders comment was made, get it? They're punishing the wrong people, but patriarchs always focus on the evil, disgusting bodies of females as causing all misery in the world.

[Syzygy321]

57. You and I half agree. Here is how I see it:

Males (adult ones) have created a culture that tells females - even girls - that they are judged on prettiness and sex appeal.

Many girls take this to heart and will go all-out to have a sexy look. Girls who can't or won't compete (because they are fat, disabled, religious, or independent-minded ) are in danger of being bullied and/or feeling ashamed and excluded.

School protects girls from crappy pressures by saying, "This place is for learning. You don't need flashy boobs to fit in."

But they have to make specific rules and enforce them, or they will just be ignored.

Dress codes are feminist. My girl loves her classes. So what if she can't compete with some others in a bikini? It's school, and she shouldn't have to.

[Warpy]

71. Yeah, and if it's 95 in the shade and there's no AC,

maybe she should go to school in a swimsuit.

This isn't about the girls, they're not the problem. It's a culture that says males have absolutely no responsibility when it comes to self control.

That's what this thread is about, an idiot principal thinking poor witless males who can't control their own eyes being subjected to a collarbone peeking out from behind a cardigan.

[Syzygy321]

72. I am saying I think dress codes in general are meant to

protect all students from pressure.

Do you understand my point about my daughter?

[Jamastiene]

81. Simply teaching male students self control would be the best solution.

Most guys manage to control themselves. So, obviously, somewhere some people are teaching those guys self control. Why not teach them all self control and we wouldn't have these issues. Why should young girls be expected to jump through hoops because some young teen boys and that principal (obviously) cannot seem to control themselves? It is ridiculous to punish girls because some boys aren't taught self control. They are in school to learn. They will have to learn to control themselves when they get into the working world. Might as well teach them in school, while they are young. Nope, punish the girls for wearing x clothing. x=just about any item of clothing you can name, they all claim something is sexy about young girls, which is disgusting, if you ask me.

Grown men in positions of authority should not be looking at those young girls and making judgements on how they are dressed based on their own weird ass kinks. How the fuck can a collarbone be considered "sexy" on anyone anyhow? Fucking weirdos seem to be in control at some schools, it seems.

[PeaceNikki]

11. The hussy behind her is showing ankles and knees.

KNEES, PEOPLE!!!!!1!!!!

[procon]

12. How about holding the principal accountable for treating young women as sex objects.

Women have collarbones, and breasts, legs, butts, genitals and it's all normal... unless you're a member of the Taliban and want women in burkas.

[yellowcanine]

13. Cause everyone knows collarbones drive boys crazy with lust!

[LiberalElite]

16. I wasn't aware that exposed collarbones were

a problem anywhere except in an Orthodox Jewish context. Collarbones must be covered as part of their dress code.

As such, as she is in a secular environment this student looks ok to me.

[Monk06]

17. Collar bones, ankles, this post is hot !!!

[seveneyes]

18. Fuck their burka shit

Fire the Principle, evict the school board and start over. Fucking ISIS like idiots.

[greymattermom]

20. so what do they do if you show up in an actual burka?

Just wondering

[Taitertots]

68. Yeah, fuck dress codes. Everyone should go to school naked because freedom

Any restriction is the same as forcing women to wear burkas.

[seveneyes]

69. You appear to be confused

Collar bone != naked.

[Taitertots]

70. And you think that collar bone = burka

[struggle4progress]

23. Also, you can see her face

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

29. What? Face? Oh, yeah, sorry, I was still focused on her, uh, collarbones. nt

[Orrex]

24. Hey! NSFW!

We can clearly see her knuckles!

[yuiyoshida]

25. I wonder how long it takes to wear out

a fainting couch? It sounds like this school is well on their way to a brand new one!!

[Gormy Cuss]

60. I can see collarbones in your sig line.

You must be from some hippie town.

[DetlefK]

27. How about a dress-code for men against wearing something with a crotch?

You know what's behind that zip in those pants?

A PENIS! THE SERPENT IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN! THE DEVIL'S SAUSAGE!

Wearing something that displays a crotch is a reminder that this man is packing a penis and this is distracting to female class-mates.

[Buns_of_Fire]

28. I see what the problem is...

Can't be pollutin' our young'uns minds with these lewd connections, no sir! You let those horny little buggers see your clavicle, pretty soon they'll be sneaking peeks at your coccyx!

Thankfully, with the Intertubes, we can now download volumes of collarbones in the privacy of our mother's basement (with the door locked, of course!)

[lpbk2713]

32. Someone lives in a parallel universe.

And they don't belong in a position that can make decisions like this.

[aikoaiko]

33. The sexually repressed will eroticize almost anything.

[IMG][/IMG]

[Elwood P Dowd]

34. She was causing all the boys to have collar boners.

[niyad]

36. you nearly owed me a keyboard

[niyad]

35. so, once again the onus is on the females, because the males are incapable of self-control??

news for the principal--if memory serves, teenagers are pretty much walking hormones, does not matter what anyone is wearing.

[Taitertots]

67. There is no dress code for boys?

The dress code is the same for all genders. The onus is on EVERYONE to follow the reasonable dress code.

[niyad]

75. tell me that when males are sent home for clothing that distracts females.

[Taitertots]

76. Are male students violating the dress code?

The dress code is both reasonable and applied equally to the genders.

[niyad]

86. you are only assuming that it is enforced equally.

[Syzygy321]

83. Trouble is, guys don't have a problem wearing crew necks

Because they aren't conditioned to dress pretty and sexy, the way girls are. I bet the boys aren't sent home often, simply because they wear t shirts and jeans, rather than tank tops layered under sweaters, and other elaborate girly attire.

The school is demanding unisex standards. The girls, however, want to please boys and fit in with sexist culture by being fashionable and wearing body-flattering styles and showing skin.

The conflict between society's demands (females must look pretty!) and the school's demands (same dress code for everyone) may well mean that girls get sent home a lot more than boys. But that doesn't make the school sexist.

(I do completely agree that the line about "distracting the boys" is just. plain. disgusting. Ugh, why? Why??)

[Eleanors38]

44. Maybe some school officials experienced "hardening of the salami..."

A dialog quote from the French Connection.

[MineralMan]

45. "Hey, Baby! Nice Collarbones!" Said nobody ever.

Unless you're wearing something with the top button buttoned, your clavicles are gonna show. They're like up where your collar is. That's why they're called collarbones. Nothing immodest about them. Men have them, too.

Turtleneck sweaters, girls. That's the dress code. Or oxford shirts with the top button buttoned. No skin showing on the upper chestal area, please. Boys? You, too. Button up those necks!

[Rex]

46. I hate to say this, but there are a lot of worthless people in charge of public schools.

A lot of great principals and sadly some really, really shitty ones too...which just like rotten cops, are 'asked' to leave the town. So they do and move to another town as start all over again, victimizing the local students with their horrible micromanaging skills.

[Syzygy321]

51. I hate that line (frequently used it seems)

about the dress code being enforced on girls to "avoid distracting boys.". It makes girls sound like objects and boys sound like morons.

I think dress codes are important but I think the administration should take the lline of, "school is important; it's about learning and preparing for your brilliant future - so you have to dress like a serious person while you're here."

[DawgHouse]

53. I don't think showing a collar bone is wrong

and I think she looks fine. But, I did read the pdf for the dress code and it's quite clear that all students have to wear crew neck shirts, boy and girls.

According to what the principal said, the collar bone is just used a reference for measurement, like knees are used for shorts or skirts. The mom seems to be backing off of claiming it was "because it may distract their male classmates". Now she says that the problem occurred because the girl assumed that the dress code had changed for the High School students because it was changed for the Middle School students.

Anyway, there is petition with about a gazillion signatures to get the dress code changed at the school. More at the Mom's FB page in the Today link in the OP.

[One_Life_To_Give]

54. Policy is Clear

I don't agree with it but clearly what she is wearing is Not a Crew Neck.

[BlueJazz]

73. The Woman/Girl in the picture (sitting down) is showing a lot more than the daughter.

[Jamastiene]

77. Is that a thing in Kentucky?

Do guys consider collarbones sexy in Kentucky or something? Weird.

It's still awful to make women dress differently instead of teaching the guys some self restraint.

[Syzygy321]

84. I think the dress code is the same for both sexes.

Girls are just more likely to violate it in the name of fashion and prettiness.

When I lived in Boston I thought KY was the backwoods straw-chewing Bible-thumping ends of the earth. Turns out I was wrong. (That's Chattanooga!)

Come visit us anytime.

[KamaAina]

78. "Hey, Lou! Check out the collarbone on that one!"

Said no construction worker ever.