I am weary to my marrow of the deep moral and intellectual sickness of the right

[cali]

as encapsulated within the republican party. I'm tired to death of their racism, sexism and nativism. I'm sick of their homophobia and demonization of everyone who isn't fundamentalist 'godly'. They laud stupidity and elevate hate.

In the spectacle of their race to be the most extreme, they issue a fucking torrent of proposals, one more loathsome than the next. In under a decade, the republican party has transformed itself from being mean spirited but with a semblance of sanity, to a party of hate that's batshit crazy.

I'm so bloody sick of it. Not so many years ago, I could sometimes laugh at the stories posted here, illustrating this crap. If I didn't see those stories as entirely anomalous, I didn't see them as representing the whole of the republican party. Now? It's almost impossible to find even shallow pockets of decency and sanity within the republican ranks.

Maybe there's still some hope that the republican party can be transformed from the toxic entity it now is, but what with the control they have over state governments, redistricting, the deterioration of voting rights, unlimited funds and organizations like ALEC, it's exceedingly difficult to see how that happens.

[Scuba]

1. +1,000

[stevenleser]

2. Good rant. Keep in mind, when someone says "We can get Republican grassroots to vote for X candidate

on the left", this is the same group of folks that finds what you just ranted about appealing.

It's not that these folks can never be convinced to change their minds but doing so is going to be a slow and agonizing process and will not be accomplished in big numbers in one election season or even two election seasons.

[tk2kewl]

5. the opportunity to get republicans to vote for candidate X

allows for the possibility that some will have an awakening. Finding common ground with your adversaries or enemies is the first step towards understanding IMO, however it does not mean you tolerate or support their bullshit as some here would like us to think.

[stevenleser]

7. You are preaching to the choir on that point. It's exactly why I do what I do where I do it.

I find it interesting that the sector of DU that has been most critical of me suddenly finds outreach to Republicans such an amazingly good thing to try.

[tularetom]

76. I'm sorry - what is it that you do and where do you do it?

And why would a whole "sector of DU" be critical of you?

Am I missing something? Are you somebody I'm supposed to know about?

[stevenleser]

79. I wasn't responding to you, but if you are curious Google is your friend. Nt

[tularetom]

81. Nah, I don't really care that much but your post had kind of an implicit self important tone

and I thought you might be somebody I should be impressed with.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I googled myself once and it turned out I was the mayor of some city in Indiana or someplace that had been kicked out of office for stealing Christmas turkeys from a charity food bank in the city hall. I was so disappointed in myself I try to avoid googling whenever I can.

[stevenleser]

82. Nope, it didn't.

There are folks who I have communicated with here before and who I am fairly certain are aware of the things I am involved with.

That's why I responded to you saying "I wasn't responding to you". I don't expect everyone to know me.

[azmom]

8. No it's not. There are many republicans

That don't hold extreme views like Trumps.

[stevenleser]

9. Even when they don't hold the views themselves, they tolerate them in the folks for whom they vote.

So at best they find those views non-offensive and non-disqualifying.

Anyone who would vote for a Sanders or Kucinich or Warren or Feingold or who would find any of those four appealing would not tolerate the kinds of things Cali talks about in her OP.

[azmom]

14. The Democratic Party has plenty of bigots.

How do you explain that.

[stevenleser]

22. An interesting red herring but ultimately not related to the discussion. nt

[azmom]

27. Of course not

[stevenleser]

29. Glad you can see that. nt

[ryan_cats]

80. Didn't you know better than to...

Didn't you know better than to attempt sincerity on The Banner Democratic Underground.

[The CCC]

40. No it's not. There are many republicans

Except that they do. Nearly to a man/woman they want to get rid of the 14th Amendment, the ACA, go to war with Iran, oppose women's rights, and the list goes on and on.

[azmom]

41. All republicans Bad, all democrats good.

[LiberalLovinLug]

56. I think one cannot get caught up in individuals peccadillos

but look at the actual Party platforms. And their history. I guess if you go far enough back you will find it was Democrats that were the most racist in the deep south, but if you look to their platforms AFTER the Republican Southern Strategy, you will find the New Deal, and you will find it is the Democratic Party that has fought hardest for the working classes on issues like minimum wages, women's right to vote, protecting the environment, protecting social programs that benefit those in need.

Of course there are Blue Dog DINOs or even Democrat Presidents caught literally with their pants down. Of course there are many examples of bad behaviour on the R side of the isle.

But base your vote on the present day platform of the party, and more specifically the candidates running for that party.

[JDPriestly]

38. Lots of Republican voters thought they were voting for fiscal conservatives or against union bosses

or something. The ones who don't hate may be attracted to a candidate like Bernie who is not the usual uncommitted, overly polite, too cautious, "nice" Democrat.

[hifiguy]

51. I think you are right, particularly as to those who only

pay attention after Labor Day in election years. They don't see the Deep Crazy very often. Pains are taken to see that they don't.

[daleanime]

3. Amen....

[world wide wally]

4. Just don't hold your breath waiting for Republicans to change.

It took a pretty big effort to get voters to change their minds in Germany not that long ago

[stevenleser]

10. A significant number of folks here have been saying Bernie will change their minds and get them to

vote for him.

It's absolutely a worthwhile effort to try to get folks on the other side to change their minds, but believing you can get it done en masse during a single campaign season is completely unrealistic IMHO.

[Qutzupalotl]

21. We won't need many votes from them.

A lot of Bernie's support is coming from disaffected, unregistered or new voters, who weren't on anyone's radar before. I think he can win without any support from the right, but the fact that he can peel a few away from the clown car, to vote for policies that everyone agrees on, is encouraging. His history as an Independent will be a little easier to stomach for those who have been indoctrinated against Democrats. But the lion's share of his support is coming from Democrats.

[stevenleser]

23. Then your expectations are in the ballpark because if nominated he would get close to zero.

Only 26% of Republicans would consider voting for a generic Socialist. Once conservative media and GOP SuperPAC's and the campaign of the Republican nominee got going that would be less than 1%.

[Qutzupalotl]

25. He's not a generic Socialist (but you knew that).

When people hear what he has to say, most agree.

[stevenleser]

28. We can argue what Bernie is, but that doesn't matter, and YOU know that. It only matters what

perceptions are created by the campaigns and their allies. And I can say with 100% certainty that if nominated, the conservative SuperPAC's, conservative media and the GOP nominee will paint Sanders as a radical Socialist. And with video of him out there self identifying as a Socialist, it will be a perception that is impossible to fight.

[Qutzupalotl]

32. It's not impossible to fight.

They can shout "Socialist!" all day long, but anyone who dares to listen to him has a good chance of being persuaded.

[stevenleser]

34. You think so? Ask George Allen how easy it was to fight "Macaca" with video of him saying it.

And he just said it once.

There are multiple instances of Sanders self-identifying as a Socialist on video.

[Qutzupalotl]

37. There are far more where he explains what a Democratic Socialist is,

and it's a platform most people believe in already.

Frantic, repeated scare tactics can backfire, especially if they're shallow enough to focus on one word.

And I promise you, the right wing WANTS to run against Clinton so they can give us their prepared Benghazi/email/Vince Foster/you-name-it attacks all day.

Might as well nominate the candidate with the best platform, who can dismantle all their arguments.

[stevenleser]

44. That won't matter. I'm surprised you need anyone to tell you this. Nt

[Qutzupalotl]

45. I hope you read beyond my post title.

They're going to attack our candidate either way.

Clinton's positives are underwater. I don't need to tell you that matters.

[rhett o rick]

61. And if Clinton wins the nomination, the Republicans will point out that she joined them

when the chips were down and helped Bush lie us into a horrible war.

[stevenleser]

63. That's a joke right? The last thing the GOP will mention is the Iraq war. nt

[rhett o rick]

71. That's your opinion. By the way, Jeb has already mentioned it.

The Republicans don't know that it was a disaster. They are proud of their part. Jeb will be more than happy to point out that H. Clinton approved of the Republican plans to invade Iraq.

[stevenleser]

72. Yeah, in response to questions he clearly didn't want to answer. And he fumbled

Five or six different responses over the last two months. His struggles in coming up with a solid consistent response has been talked about a lot, I don't know how you managed to miss it.

They obviously don't want to talk about it. It's not my opinion, it's fact. Do the research.

[rhett o rick]

75. So you admit the the GOP has already mentioned the Iraq War but still contend

that your prediction "The last thing the GOP will mention is the Iraq war." Is a fact? They have already mentioned the war.

[stevenleser]

78. No, that is your strawman. GOP candidates were asked about it by reporters.

They did not bring it up or mention it willingly.

When are you going to look this up instead of guessing?

[rhett o rick]

84. You said they wouldn't mention it and yet they did and I think they will again.

H. Clinton trusted George Bush and the Republican Party about the need to invade Iraq. She not only supported the invasion, she helped convince other Democrats to support the invasion with her Senate speech. She has never apologized to those whose lives were lost or ruined by that decision.

[stevenleser]

89. Doesn't matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it's still wrong. Nt

[rhett o rick]

60. How very untrue. Many Republicans are warming to the message of honesty that Sen Sanders

offers. These same Republicans are dead set against Clinton. Honesty will prevail much to your consternation. The 99% are sick of being dominated by the 1%. I am curious why you would choose the 1% over the 99%? Do they offer more security? Do you think that they will "trickle wealth down on you?"

Remember, when the chips were down, H. Clinton turned her back on Democrats and helped George Bush sell his lies about invading Iraq. Apparently you can overlook those deaths.

Sen Sanders is more Democrat than Wall Street's favorite H. Clinton.

[stevenleser]

64. Anyone falling for that, Chris Christie has a bridge he would like to sell you.

Every four years we hear the same thing from candidates from both sides.

And sure, there are one off's here and there, but there will be no mass movement of Democrats to vote for folks in the clown car, and there will be no mass movement of Republicans to vote for Hillary or O'Malley or Sanders.

[niyad]

6. an equally heartsick k and r

I keep wondering why there isn't some sort of antibody to fight this virulent cancer on the human race.

[pampango]

11. Thank you, cali. I do tire of protestations that republican X, Y or Z is a 'broken clock'. They are

morally and intellectually sick as you say. And their racism, sexism, homophobia and nativism are tiring to the point that crediting any of them with the stature of even a 'broken clock' is an insult to clocks everywhere.

[hollysmom]

12. I just saw Jimmy Carter on TV, the oft mocked Carter by the right

He is a real person, unlike so many of the fake people on TV running for office today. .
You take a Carter, really doing the work at Habitat or any of his other charities, and compare him to Santorum for example taht goes to a soup kitchen after it is closed and fake wash pots for photo op and you have to wonder, what empty heart would support this guy and hate Carter?

I wish more people gave him a chance and did not listen to the fake macho opponents back then

[stevenleser]

73. I missed this post originally but this is a great point. Carter was 100% honest all the time. That

did not sway Republicans.

There is a naivete among some Sanders supporters, and you can see some of them in comments under this OP, that say that all it takes is an honest Democratic candidate to get Republican votes. They think Sanders will get Republicans, who would otherwise vote for Trump, or Jeb! or Romney or 'w' before him to vote for Sanders.

Carter is an example of how naive that idea is. Folks who think unions are bad, taxes are evil infringement on liberty, abortion is evil, gays are evil, etc., are not going to vote for Sanders or any other Liberal/Progressive/Democrat or Democratic Socialist.

[hollysmom]

74. I think Sanders has been around Washington a good long time and will not face it naively.

I think people accept Sanders grudgingly at least, he is no babe in the woods there and knows his way around, Carter was a complete outsider, resented by the wanna bees and democrats plotted with republicans to stifle him, They should hang their heads in shame.

[Gregorian]

13. The responsibility to change it comes from the left, which is divided, fearful, apathetic.

I've begun to put my focus on the left, and what I see is a group that is not engaged enough to make change. When solid ideas are mocked, and when people are disengaged to the point of essentially not being involved, then we have a country that's like a ship without direction.

The devices set up by those with money have also made the average citizen a slave to their own survival. Change isn't going to come from the right. It didn't when slavery was abolished. And it appears mental slavery is now the issue.

Do we wait until the melting ice caps are causing panic before we unite? Life is so easy now, despite how difficult we think it is, we feel we can ignore our civil responsibilities.

Stop looking at the right, and look in the mirror. I am beginning to think the left is the problem. That tiny group of rich men in Congress is no match for a united people making demands.

[cali]

15. I largely disagree with you. And it's hardly just a tiny group in the congress.

[Gregorian]

20. For my benefit, please elaborate. I'm here to learn.

My sense is that we have the ultimate power, when united. We beat them in the Civil War. It's the same people.

[azmom]

16. [phone]

[jeff47]

17. You're looking at today and ignoring yesterday.

"The left" in the US is apathetic because everyone running for office has derided "the left" since 1968.

There's only so much "You people are crazy" you listen to until you give up.

Stop looking at the right, and look in the mirror. I am beginning to think the left is the problem. That tiny group of rich men in Congress is no match for a united people making demands.

You vastly underestimate the efforts that tiny group will go through to destroy anyone who tries to upset the status quo. They work their assess off to ensure the two options on the ballot are "bad" and "worse".

We're starting to see some change with the dying off of the people who put Reagan in power. But it will be a scorched Earth campaign for a decade or more before they are removed from power.

[stevenleser]

26. If we are going to talk history then you are ignoring plenty as well.

We can point to the far left insisting on an ideological orthodoxy resulting in disastrous right wing administrations in many countries over the last 100 years, not the least of which is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_March_1933

Where you can see that if far left KPD (German Communist Party) and center left SPD (Social Democrats) united, their numbers would have been greater than NSDAP (Nazis) by a score of 37% to 33% and thus they and not the Nazis would have controlled the Reichstag and the Chancellorship.

Election 2000 was another such example. Without Nader, Gore wins even considering GOP shennanigans. Things like Iraq and such would not have happened.

But by all means, keep fighting that ideological orthodoxy fight. It always turns out so well.

[jeff47]

48. Because the global left is a monolithic bloc

including the parts in the US.

Without Nader, Gore wins even considering GOP shennanigans.

Bush won 100x more Democratic voters in Florida than Nader. If Gore had run a competent campaign, he wouldn't have lost those voters.

Heck, if Gore had run a competent campaign, he also wouldn't have barely lost NH, and FL would have been moot.

2000 was Gore's failure. Who says so? Gore. But what does he know about it?

But by all means, keep fighting that ideological orthodoxy fight. It always turns out so well.

You are claiming that people who, on a global scale, are left to center left should shut up and accept center-right to right policies.

How about we look at the disaster of the last 50 years of this country and stop doing something that stupid?

Oh wait...that would hurt the fee-fees of big money. We better just shut up and accept our breadcrumbs.

[glinda]

18. Further enhanced by any media taking any of these Candidates seriously....

it does not bode well for this Country to be run and controlled by the few special interests that have their tentacles all the way to the top. I know....it is depressing.

[cali]

19. yes. the media eggs it all on by treating outrageous crap as if

it was a legitimate point of view.

[hifiguy]

52. That is the biggest problem.

Krugman talks about this at some length in his column that's linked here in GD

If Trump, or any other Repuke, said his immigration plan was to kill every fourth Latino-looking person walking down the street the M$M would call it "somewhat harsh" and stroke its collective in a manner intended to look sensible and thoughtful.

The M$M has normalized what would have been considered flat-out insane even 20 years ago by refusing to identify insanity for what it is in the name of "even-handedness."

[Generic Other]

24. You are being too kind

The word "intellectual" should be replaced with the phrase "weak brained" or "willfully ignorant."

[DirkGently]

30. The backlash is already in motion.

Trump is part of it. Out of one side of his mouth, he gives voice to the ugliest views of the conservative base (immigration). Out of the other, he supports Planned Parenthood and protectionism for union workers.

They are in chaos. The wholesale purchase of politics by the donor class CU enabled is not going as planned. Billionaires are competing to purchase candidates, but the result is Republicans are hamstrung on policy. They have to check with their sponsors before opening their mouths.

They have lowered the bar so far that what it "means to be a Republican" has been rendered meaningless. Trump walked in without sponsors or strings, giving the base the attitude they love, and mucking up the feeding trough for the rest of them.

If no one screws this up, there will be nothing left of the modern American "GOP" but ashes.

[JDPriestly]

39. Very good points. Thanks.

[hifiguy]

54. A very thought provoking post,

in which I suspect is a lot of truth.

[Art_from_Ark]

65. Does Trump actually believe in "protectionism for union workers"?

Because he doesn't seem to believe in a minimum wage

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1183479

[DirkGently]

67. I was thinking of his recent "import tariff" proposals

There seem to be few things Trump relishes more than threatening to slap fees on other country’s goods. He proposed eliminating corporate taxes in favor of a 20% tax on imports and a 15% tax on American companies who outsource in his 2011 book “Time To Get Tough.“ More recently, he has called for a 35% tax on Mexican auto imports and threatened to “do something very severe” to force Mexico to finance a border fence, possibly punitive tariffs. And when it comes to China, another favorite Trump bogeyman, he offered this memorable message in a 2011 speech: “Listen, you motherf—ers, we’re going to tax you 25%!”

Trump, like many populist politicians, is a fierce critic of free trade deals that like the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which was signed by President Bill Clinton, and the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which is currently under negotiation. When it comes to aggressively raising tariffs, however, his proposals appear to be unique within the 2016 field in either party.

There’s not a lot of detail to Trump’s suggestions, making them hard to fully evaluate, but trade experts from across the political spectrum warn that most of his threatened tariffs would violate decades of binding trade deals negotiated by previous administrations and agreed to by previous Congresses.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-trump-wants-tax-the-world-even-legal

And the bit about petition Ford to cancel a plant in Mexico.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/06/16/trump-press-ford-cancel-mexican-plant/28816173/


He's making an odd conservative / populist argument, which is not particularly well-thought-out, but I think it's this departure from the stock Republican playbook that's catching fire among conservatives.

It could -- COULD, mind you -- help fracture and dissolve the monolithic Republican rhetoric, in ways that I theorize could help.

Republicans have turned conservativism into pure corporatism, which really shouldn't be a thing among any large group of voters. There are more populist-minded conservatives out there, and if that switch gets flipped, we could -- conceivably -- gain more credence for policies that actually benefit the majority of Americans.

Maybe.

[Dont call me Shirley]

31. What else can we expect of the party of slave owners.

[Eleanors38]

33. You may be, but they aren't. It's sport to them, now.

[yuiyoshida]

35. IF FOX news disappeared tomorrow....

I wonder if the world would change? I am betting yes.

[Enthusiast]

36. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

[swilton]

42. I am weary to my marrow

of Blue Dog Democrats and non-Blue Dog Democrats following the intellectually sick over the cliff in the interest of bi-partisanship.

The right would not be the pimples on the face of life that they are if a few in the so-called opposition party had some vertebrae and called them for what they are.....The Democratic Party and the left (with VERY few exceptions - of which Bernie Sanders is included) have folded like wimp noodles!

[kacekwl]

43. I refuse to believe

there are more of them than us but if the trend of gerrymandering,voter fraud and un-interested voters continues very bad things will continue to happen.

[panader0]

46. I thought Kasich had a modicum of sanity until his 'get rid of the teacher's lounges' comments.

You are correct to be disgusted. And the underbelly is money--all of these creeps on the right, and some
"Democrats" too are corrupted by money. That's why my vote will go to Senator Sanders.
And, in spite of the bone-weariness, we must keep on fighting and exposing these idiots as you do so well.

[cali]

59. me too, pan. oh well.

[Milliesmom]

47. Two party system isn't working

What we need is a third party, is this Bernie's Revolution? I think so, if everyone and I mean everyone does not get out and do something we are lost ,we must participate , in one way or another, we cannot sit at home and complain , we must become involved or nothing will change.
Like Bernie says, talk to your friends, family everyone, no matter who they are Republican or Democrat, tell them about Bernie, get them to listen to him. We really do need to have this political revolution to change, if not it will become intolerable to live in the US, it will be like a third world county.

Another thing, no work is being done on our infrastructure to speak of, there are thousands of miles of natural gas lines that crisscross the United states, some were built in the 1800's , they are developing leaks and blowing up, killing people.

Washington state just had a large blast and took out parts of a motel. If the Republicans stay in charge there will never be any work done on the crumbling bridges, tunnels gas lines, we will live in a crumbling society. The only people that will do well are the rich.

We will end up in endless war, if you do not want your sons and daughters, your grandchildren and their children fighting and dying for Republican greed get out and do something, stand up and fight with Bernie, don't just cheer him on, be physically involved.

[Milliesmom]

66. As I was saying about the gas lines

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/three-people-injured-after-explosion-at-nyc-high-school/

[kelliekat44]

49. Nicely stated rant. Please post all over the Internet where you can, nt

[kelliekat44]

50. May i re-post with attribution? nt

[cali]

58. sure.

[HFRN]

53. if it weren't for the neoliberal and corporatist aspects of this party, republicans wouldnt be

winning offices, and therefore what they think would be irrelevant

maybe THIS party should try harder at being an alternative to republicans, instead of just being 'Republican-Lite'

[hifiguy]

55. Being Repuke-Lite is VASTLY more personally profitable.

Just ask the Clintons.

[mmonk]

57. Yep. If I knew what was going to happen to this country with its regressivism,

I might not have had children. I'm so glad they are alive but they have disabilities and I'm not sure they can survive a country without a soul.

[spanone]

62. K&R...

[Stevepol]

68. Please add electronic voting machines to your list.

You say: "Maybe there's still some hope that the republican party can be transformed from the toxic entity it now is, but what with the control they have over state governments, redistricting, the deterioration of voting rights, unlimited funds and organizations like ALEC, it's exceedingly difficult to see how that happens."

It's the voting machines that have created the situation we have now and that will make sure it doesn't change significantly no matter what the real vote is. These other things you mention are certainly problematical but the basis of it is the voting machines IMO.

Just to remind you of only one example: When Kerry lost the 04 election, the exit polls showed him winning by a couple percentage points. Of course the spokespersons for the status quo claimed that the polls were wrong. Even Mitofsky, one of the greatest influences on modern polling methods, had crazy explanations for why the polls had been wrong (obviously they were wrong because they did not agree with the actual "so-called" results). For example, he theorized that Repubs were less likely to respond to the exit pollsters, etc. Never mind that in the past the exit polls were almost always pretty much on the money.

But Steven Freeman, who was at the U of PA at the time, looked at the statistical chances that PA, FL, and OH would all have these disparities between the exit polls and the electronically recorded vote, and he said the chances were 662,000 to one that they were caused "by chance or random error."

One thing we can all do when the elections come up is to insist that we have to find ways to VERIFY THE VOTE. Repeat this over and over and over. We have to push for some form or forms of actual verification, real audits that can statistically verify the vote that the machines come up with.

[tabasco]

69. Sadly, a lot of the moral decay is because of so-called Christian churches

Hateful fundamentalist preachers preaching hate and intolerance and their gullible followers.

[John1956PA]

77. Also contributing to the decay is the conservative Catholic movement.

During the 2004 presidential campaign, the conservative Catholic movement, from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops - to the dioceses publications - to the grassroots operatives placing brochures on vehicles in church parking lots during Sunday Masses, helped to push the vote away from Kerry-Edwards.

[KingCharlemagne]

70. It's a dangerous and scary moment in a 2-party system when one of the

two parties parts ways with democratic norms (the principles of one person, one vote, of representative government and so on). The 'fascism' label gets thrown around way too much, imo, but I really think its usage is appropriate for today's Republican Party with its misogynist, nativist and nationalist hues.

Consider a country with a President Trump and both chambers of the legislature in the hands of the fascists. That should cause a serious case of butt pucker.

[Uncle Joe]

83. It's all a game of misdirection with them,

they want to divert the American Peoples' anger from the true causes of their misery, because all the Republicans in power care about is power and money.

Keep the faith, cali.

[AikidoSoul]

85. I keep hoping that clown Trumpet will display such ugliness and bigotry

that enough people will be turned off to make his election impossible.

But then I remember how disgusted I was (still am) by the antics of the Chimp, and realize that lots of people are just plain nuts, and haven't a clue.

I'm scared and sick of it all and especially worried about the electronic voting machines which can be so easily manipulated.

Obama had a fabulous team of techno experts who tracked the changes that were occurring from the Rovians, but were able to redirect them. Election night Rove was confident that they had won, and just needed to wait a little longer for the true results to come it. Nightmares of the big switch in Ohio occur to me --- but his tricks didn't work. Thank God that Obama had the team he had.

They looked like real geeks and wore all kinds of crazy clothes, earrings, and such... but they were the best in the country.

I hope Bernie hires them too.

Hope springs eternal but if Bernie loses this one and Trump wins, I will be tempted to set myself on fire in front of the WH.

[craigmatic]

86. You would think their movement would've died out completely by now. I mean

it's disintegrated into a racket and has been one for about 8 years now. It's obvious they're just doing the bidding of the rich. Young people don't support it and most middle aged people don't support it. They have no overarching theme or message except the petty one they push daily. They have no vision. They're not coming up with new ideas and the only people they've been able to put into office since the 80's nationally are named bush. In any other country their party would be a third party by now. It's a joke.

[ladjf]

88. Advanced corruption always eventually rots and is replaced by new cleaner components. nt

[ladjf]

87. The fundamental "wrongness" of the "deep moral and intellectual sickness of the right"

will eventually cause their movement to rot and decay into oblivion. The only question is, how long will that take?

The clear and correct observations by Senator Sanders might shorten that time. The thousands of people who are attending Bernie's meetings are understanding the situation and by the way, many DU posters are totally aware of the terrible current political climate
and are offering great suggestions about how to do something about it.

[struggle4progress]

90. Don't mourn: organize