The St. Louis police shot him in the back

[philosslayer]

(CNN)A black man killed in a shooting by St. Louis police on Wednesday died from a gunshot wound in the back, the city's police department said Friday, citing an autopsy.

Police have said that Mansur Ball-Bey, 18, pointed a gun at them before officers opened fire. Chief of Police Sam Dotson said that the wound's location doesn't confirm or disprove the officers' account that Ball-Bey pointed a gun, according to a report Friday by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

"Just because he was shot in the back doesn't mean he was running away," Dotson said, according to the Post-Dispatch. "It could be, and I'm not saying that it doesn't mean that. I just don't know yet."

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/21/us/st-louis-police-shooting/index.html

[randys1]

1. And another and another and another, but the outrage on DU today will be how

upset some people are that BLM speaks loudly.

[Lee-Lee]

2. It's quite possible to be shot in the back while pointing a gun

A person can be running away, partially turn to aim the gun, and still have their back mostly to officers. Officers could have been not standing all in on place so he could be aiming a pistol off to his side while running turning his back toward a different officer while doing that. Or he could have aimed the gun and then turned back before officers had time to react- you don't get to play freeze tag after pointing a gun at someone where they can only react while you are pointing it- if you point a gun at officers and then run keeping the gun with you then your are still using armed resistance.

A bullet wound to the back proves absolutely nothing. But I will sit back and watch the anti-police crowd display their ignorance, lack of critical thinking ability and bigotry as they jump to the conclusion that fits their agenda.

[B2G]

3. +1000

[philosslayer]

5. Your vigorous, knee-jerk defense of the police...

In light of the evidence immediately at hand and past actions of St Louis and St Louis area police (and police in general) is noted.

[Travis_0004]

8. So a knee jerk defense of drug dealers with stolen guns is a better policy?

The police claim there is video, so we will have an answer soon enough.

[Lee-Lee]

9. All I defended was common sense

And pointed out that with the information at hand nobody can form an valid conclusion about what happened yet.

But go ahead and jump to yours if you wish.

[tkmorris]

10. It's true, no definitive conclusions are possible yet

However saying this: "But I will sit back and watch the anti-police crowd display their ignorance, lack of critical thinking ability and bigotry as they jump to the conclusion that fits their agenda. " is a bridge too far. Especially when you have an agenda of your own that you push harder than most.

[GGJohn]

32. And your vigorous, knee jerk accusation is ridiculous.

All Le-Lee did was give a scenario of how someone shooting at the cops could still be shot in the back.
Give it a rest dude.

[840high]

33. Some of us wait for more facts.

[daleanime]

6. This is just an isolated incident.....

and should be viewed as such.

[EX500rider]

20. Actually it kinda is...

.....the police arrest around 30,000 people every DAY....how many of them get shot in the back? (they arrest around 12 million a year, ie a million people a month)

[daleanime]

21. Go find out how many people have died this year....

at the hands of'Law Enforcement'. The fact that only a small percentage of police encounters end with death doesn't make it better.

[EX500rider]

22. yes it does to me..

....if they arrested 1,000 people a year and 500 of them died, that's a 50% failure rate in keeping detainee's alive....however they actually arrest 12,000,000 people a year, making the failure rate extremely small. Can and should they do better? yes...however the problem isn't as big as people are making out, and in most of the cases the victim had a weapon and did not drop it.

[Nevernose]

23. What's the specific # of murder victims you're ok with?

What's the specific # of murder victims you're ok with? Clearly you have a number in mind. If the police shoot ten innocent people, is that too many? A hundred?

[EX500rider]

29. The specific number is any who violently resist with a deadly weapon.

[840high]

34. xactly +1

[daleanime]

30. We have a different definitions....

of importance.

You'll pardon me for not caring for your's. Take care and have a lovely life

[onethatcares]

24. that's a whole lot of people

that get into the system and never get out. fines, probation, revocation, fines, time, probation, revocation. but i guess 30,000 people a day deserve to be arrested, but never any banksters, they get to plead off easy with no admission of guilt and no personal responsibility. Please don't bore me with the cookies tossed to the media, OK?

[Iggo]

7. Oh-Oh.

[Rex]

11. You fuel the anti-police crowd, but you know this.

This is why people don't take you seriously, you do this kind of stuff just to yank chains. Have fun.

[Lee-Lee]

13. It's telling that simple facts and common sense

Can be considered "fueling" the anti-cop crowd.

Says a lot about them..

[LanternWaste]

14. It seems you're confusing your own hypotheses with facts.

It seems you're confusing your own hypotheses with facts.

[madville]

17. Or the officers that shot

Were standing in different locations. If they are a distance apart it's possible that the suspect had his back to one officer while pointing the gun at a different officer. The Chief is right, it doesn't mean something criminal occurred with seeing the other facts.

[Travis_0004]

4. I absolutely think there should be an investigation with this and every police shooting

I just find it interesting that a drug dealer, poonting stolen guns at police officers has people marching, a car was set on fire etc, but a nine year old was shot in a driveby, and almost nothing is said about it. Im seriously starting to wonder if all black lives matter, or only those killed by cops and white people.

[logosoco]

18. There was a vigil of about 200 people

I have seen this on local coverage, nothing national. I guess people (even children) being gunned down is just not that big of a deal in this country, sad to say.

There was a speaker at the vigil who spoke about all black lives matter.

Seems to me that ending the drug war and doing something about gun regulation would solve so many problems in this country, but if wishes were fishes...

[Rex]

12. Well this will bring out the most fervent of cop apologists.

As we can already see. They ALWAYS have an excuse as to why someone was 'shot in the back' and it is always pathetic to watch them pretend to know something about LEO.

I wish we had some real cops on this site to speak up, sadly we don't.

[cwydro]

15. Lmao. Seriously?

A "real cop" posting here would be swarmed and hounded without a chance of speaking his/her opinion.

[mythology]

16. I believe Lee-Lee is a cop

[Lee-Lee]

19. I was a deputy for close to 10 years

And can easily understand why most cops look around this place and pass it by.

[Nevernose]

26. And yet you don't seem able to understand

Why so many people are terrified of police encounters or don't trust the police and/or judicial system as a whole.

Hint: it's not an irrational hatred of authority figures.

[Lee-Lee]

27. Ohh, I get it.

Lots of people have had bad experiences.

Some of their own making, some a result of bad policing.

Lots of people are also out there with an agenda stirring up as much mistrust as possible among people who have not had bad experiences.

[uponit7771]

31. The majority of cops in America don't get it, they don't understand a human with impunity and a gun

... don't make others feel safe at all.

Also, people don't have to "stir up mistrust" just look at a single vid of a cop placing a throwdown after shooting a man in the back as if it was practiced and GENERATIONS of Americans being terrorized by the few bad cops without any justice.

People are just making up mistrust of cops, they've lived it

[malaise]

25. Yes and there's a hung jury in the trial of the cop who killed

an unarmed college football player who was seeking help after an accident.
Black lives do not matter to these killer cops.

[Agschmid]

28. Kick.