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Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:25 PM

I'm all for legalizing marijuana, but I have to take the claim that

it kills cancer cells with a grain of salt. As far as I know, chemotherapy interferes with all cells, cancerous and non-cancerous. It's largely a race to kill the cancer cells before too many normal cells are killed. So why should I believe that marijuana can somehow kill only cancer cells?

For the record, I think the reason to legalize marijuana is that the War on Drugs has caused far more damage than marijuana ever could, even if marijuana was as harmful as some claim. Alcohol has wreaked far more havoc with my family than marijuana ever could!

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Reply I'm all for legalizing marijuana, but I have to take the claim that (Original post)
hedgehog Aug 2015 OP
PatrickforO Aug 2015 #1
hedgehog Aug 2015 #4
PatrickforO Aug 2015 #12
TexasBushwhacker Aug 2015 #19
NightWatcher Aug 2015 #22
shenmue Aug 2015 #2
ellisonz Aug 2015 #3
hedgehog Aug 2015 #6
ellisonz Aug 2015 #9
onehandle Aug 2015 #5
hedgehog Aug 2015 #7
Go Vols Aug 2015 #11
Rex Aug 2015 #8
Oilwellian Aug 2015 #13
NathanSharp Aug 2015 #10
Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #14
ellisonz Aug 2015 #17
wildbilln864 Aug 2015 #15
nationalize the fed Aug 2015 #16
ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #18
XemaSab Aug 2015 #20
ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #21
eShirl Aug 2015 #23
Logical Aug 2015 #24
PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #25
orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #26
hollowdweller Aug 2015 #27
virtualobserver Aug 2015 #28

Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:30 PM

1. I've always felt that it should never have been declared a schedule 1 narcotic.

That was just stupid, because it is not addictive and it does have some medical uses, particularly for chronic pain issues.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:36 PM

4. I think that it may very well be a good treatment for chronic pain -

too bad there are no studies on this.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:00 PM

12. My understanding is that they've been suppressed, or are internal efforts by big pharma to develop

expensive THC based medicines. Doesn't matter though. Writing is on the wall. It will be on a bunch of ballots come 2016.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:14 PM

19. There is a synthetic THC drug

It's called Marinol. It's used for nausea from chemotherapy and to stimulate appetite in AIDS and cancer patients. But by being just THC, the high it produces is not as pleasant as from real hemp, and many people find it decidedly UNPLEASANT. Like marijuana, it can also cause paranoia.

Marijuana has many psychoactive compounds that work together.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:17 PM

22. I'm currently conducting research on cannabis for Raynauds, reflux, and peripheral neuropathy

And the research is gooood.

Kidding, but in all honesty, it works on my Raynaud's, reflux, and what it does for my peripheral neuropathy is nothing short of amazing. I hope actual tests are done, so others can share in the good treatment.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:32 PM

2. I think it would be good to legalize it

for similar reasons as you stated.

I do not necessarily think it is a magic cure-all for everything. But it has its uses.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:35 PM

3. There's some research, we need more!

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:37 PM

6. It's possible that it inhibits rapid cell division without attacking the bone marrow

I'm just dubious that it can treat tumors with no side effects.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:41 PM

9. Side Effects of Marijuana



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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:37 PM

5. If it had always been legal, many of these specious 'pot can do anything' stories would not exist.

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If hamburgers had been criminalized decades ago, we would be hearing about the 'miracle effects' of hamburger usage.

Just legalize it and get these stupid stories off of media.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:38 PM

7. Exactly!

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Response to onehandle (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:59 PM

11. :/

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:39 PM

8. Well you could go and read up on the research already done.

 

It seems silly NOT to go look for yourself, instead of forming a notion based on 'as far as you know' since chemo and MJ are not even in the same ballpark.

The evidence is out there, you just have to go read it for yourself.

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Response to Rex (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:02 PM

13. Indeed

The OP is silly.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:45 PM

10. smoking it, alone, doesn't help kill cancer

Its not really the marijuana but concentrated extracts of certain cannabinoids that shrink the cancer. There's cannabinoid receptors all over the body. CB1 and CB2. Cancer may proliferate when these systems are out of balance, and the stimulation of these receptors via cannabinoids may be helpful. It makes sense since they are tied to immune function (namely the CB2 receptor which cannabidiol in particular stuimulates) which is important in fighting cancer.

Simply smoking marijuana isn't helpful in fighting cancer, because the dosage doesn't deliver a high enough concentration of the cannabinoids that would help in killing cancer. It is helpful, though, as an appetite stimmulant for chemotherapy patients though, which is actually very crucial for surviving the treatment.

http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/hp/cannabis-pdq

There are a lot of medical benefits, so much that I don't even think it should be taxes for genuine medical use.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:06 PM

14. What part of the East do you live in?

 

nt

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #14)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:56 PM

17. ...

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:51 PM

16. Dr. Christina Sanchez might be able to explain it



The Cancer.Gov page with the claims isn't new either. I've personally posted it numerous times here and it's usually ignored.
http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/patient/cannabis-pdq#section/all

Antitumor activity

Studies in mice and rats have shown that cannabinoids may inhibit tumor growth by causing cell death, blocking cell growth, and blocking the development of blood vessels needed by tumors to grow. Laboratory and animal studies have shown that cannabinoids may be able to kill cancer cells while protecting normal cells


Did you know the Feds own a patent on the use of the main ingredient in Cannabis? That's been posted since the mid 2000's and usually ignored. Why is that?
US Patent #6630507

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:01 PM

18. It's medicinal properties are fascinating

But while it won't be a panacea, legalization or the pro-pot lobby has spurred research into several areas. I like to believe most people understand the smoking, eating or vaping pot isn't going to cure cancer, and if it turns out That properties in marijuana are a perfect treatment for some cancers, they know that cancer is so complex that it won't even be a good treatment for many cancers.

Just as I like to believe that people understand driving impaired is (I think driving and texting is a form of inpairment) dangerous. In Washington state--they just released new stats revealing increased driving deaths with positive toxicologies for THC --although the deaths were NOT just pot alone, so make of it what you will.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:14 PM

20. I'm not denying that DUIs have probably gone up

but I'm also noting the fact that weed stays in the system for a while, so determining whether someone toked an hour or a day before getting behind the wheel may be difficult.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:25 PM

21. This is true

There is a more definitive test that can be used for remote vs recent use--we use it on patients who have possible substance abuse issues during the pre or post transplant process, but I doubt they used it in this case.

Anyway-here's an article:

SEATTLE - The Washington Traffic Safety Commission says more marijuana-using drivers are getting into fatal crashes.

Data released Tuesday indicate that the number of Washington drivers involved in deadly crashes who tested positive for active marijuana doubled from 2013 to 2014 - the first year of legal marijuana sales in the state.

Commission member Shelly Baldwin says that's alarming - especially considering that the number of alcohol-related fatal crashes has been dropping.

The number of drivers involved in fatal crashes who tested positive for active THC, the main psychoactive compound in marijuana, had held fairly steady from 2010 to 2013 - between 32 and 38 per year. That number jumped to 75 in 2014, and about half were above the state's legal limit for marijuana-impaired driving.

The commission says many of those drivers also tested positive for alcohol or other drugs.


http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/2015/08/20/fatal-crashes-involving-marijuana-double-in-washington/32084631/

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:35 PM

23. because it likely does it in a different way

There's more than one way to skin an onion

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:07 PM

24. I think the medical claims are exaggerated. But if Obama would take it off Schedule 1 we could....

 

do some real studies.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:14 PM

25. I live in Washington

 



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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:16 PM

26. It's less harmful than Booz .

 

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:18 PM

27. I can think of several friends who smoked who died of cancer. So it doesn't "cure cancer"

 


I think they are saying that maybe experimentally it shrinks some cancer cells.

I can think of friends who died of breast cancer, liver cancer, brain cancer and melanoma who were smokers so I think it's maybe something worthy of studying but not extrapolating into that it cures cancer.

I'm for full legalization though. Not because of any supposed health benefits but just because it is just not that dangerous and makes no sense to give somebody a criminal record for.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:26 PM

28. chemotherapy is like a blunt instrument

 

cancer cells are dramatically different from healthy cells and THC apparently communicates with cancer cells using certain cell receptors.

It doesn't poison them.



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