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Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:25 PM

 

The Verdict is in: Guess Who's The Worst President in US History? -- Guess who?

Americans of all stripes love to debate which president was best or worst. This is a subject that is too important to rely on opinion polls, which are skewed by individual bias and political views. While It's difficult to rate how good or bad any president may have been in comparison to another, a careful look at the facts shows one president failed in virtually every aspect of the job to a degree unrivaled by any other.

When you review the facts below and consider his impact on our economy, foreign policy, and domestic policy, by almost any standard, it’s difficult to find any president who did more harm and left the country in worse shape than George W. Bush.

At the same time that Bush was leaving office with a 28% job approval rating, 61% of historians rated George W. Bush's presidency as the worst in history. In another, informal survey of 109 professional historians, 98.2% judged the Bush presidency as a failure while a mere 1.8% classified it as a success.

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Reply The Verdict is in: Guess Who's The Worst President in US History? -- Guess who? (Original post)
Feeling the Bern Aug 2015 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #1
MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #5
Cleita Aug 2015 #2
TeddyR Aug 2015 #3
BillZBubb Aug 2015 #7
Feeling the Bern Aug 2015 #10
yurbud Aug 2015 #61
Feeling the Bern Aug 2015 #64
1939 Aug 2015 #74
Feeling the Bern Aug 2015 #76
1939 Aug 2015 #119
Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #110
Feeling the Bern Aug 2015 #111
Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #112
Retrograde Aug 2015 #13
PatrynXX Aug 2015 #137
pampango Aug 2015 #143
Shemp Howard Aug 2015 #8
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #32
Shemp Howard Aug 2015 #48
oberliner Aug 2015 #57
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #89
OnyxCollie Aug 2015 #71
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #90
OnyxCollie Aug 2015 #104
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #107
rurallib Aug 2015 #11
lunatica Aug 2015 #14
George II Aug 2015 #22
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #30
cheapdate Aug 2015 #33
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #37
WinkyDink Aug 2015 #53
WinkyDink Aug 2015 #54
gabeana Aug 2015 #68
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #93
bulloney Aug 2015 #114
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #128
fasttense Aug 2015 #123
LeftishBrit Aug 2015 #133
Tab Aug 2015 #135
AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #134
Faygo Kid Aug 2015 #4
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #94
Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #6
George II Aug 2015 #23
Scurrilous Aug 2015 #45
a la izquierda Aug 2015 #62
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #95
hifiguy Aug 2015 #9
turbinetree Aug 2015 #20
George II Aug 2015 #25
hifiguy Aug 2015 #38
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #96
Shemp Howard Aug 2015 #52
Mike Nelson Aug 2015 #12
A Simple Game Aug 2015 #15
cantbeserious Aug 2015 #63
Unknown Beatle Aug 2015 #92
A Simple Game Aug 2015 #126
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #16
lunatica Aug 2015 #19
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #24
bulloney Aug 2015 #115
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #127
lunatica Aug 2015 #17
SunSeeker Aug 2015 #21
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #97
SunSeeker Aug 2015 #18
hifiguy Aug 2015 #40
C Moon Aug 2015 #26
GoCubsGo Aug 2015 #27
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #35
hifiguy Aug 2015 #42
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #46
hifiguy Aug 2015 #47
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #91
lpbk2713 Aug 2015 #28
Octafish Aug 2015 #29
hifiguy Aug 2015 #44
Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #66
roamer65 Aug 2015 #31
Waitsman Aug 2015 #49
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #34
tblue37 Aug 2015 #35
lunatica Aug 2015 #39
mountain grammy Aug 2015 #87
L0oniX Aug 2015 #41
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #43
DirkGently Aug 2015 #50
Joe Vance Aug 2015 #51
Elwood P Dowd Aug 2015 #65
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #99
joanbarnes Aug 2015 #55
One of the 99 Aug 2015 #56
b.durruti Aug 2015 #58
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #100
Scuba Aug 2015 #118
barbtries Aug 2015 #59
ryan_cats Aug 2015 #60
ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2015 #116
ryan_cats Aug 2015 #125
HFRN Aug 2015 #67
Ilsa Aug 2015 #69
ericson00 Aug 2015 #70
IHateTheGOP Aug 2015 #72
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #101
bulloney Aug 2015 #117
LWolf Aug 2015 #73
Doctor_J Aug 2015 #75
Nevernose Aug 2015 #86
tclambert Aug 2015 #77
Puzzledtraveller Aug 2015 #78
stevenleser Aug 2015 #79
Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #80
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #102
Historic NY Aug 2015 #81
denvine Aug 2015 #82
Recursion Aug 2015 #83
Gothmog Aug 2015 #84
Feeling the Bern Aug 2015 #105
Gothmog Aug 2015 #122
TheFarseer Aug 2015 #85
Unknown Beatle Aug 2015 #88
spanone Aug 2015 #98
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #103
DrBulldog Aug 2015 #106
Enthusiast Aug 2015 #108
Hissyspit Aug 2015 #109
Ghost in the Machine Aug 2015 #113
PFunk1 Aug 2015 #120
Bradical79 Aug 2015 #130
thebighobgoblin Aug 2015 #121
muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #124
lpbk2713 Aug 2015 #138
muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #139
smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #129
-none Aug 2015 #131
LeftishBrit Aug 2015 #132
pampango Aug 2015 #144
chknltl Aug 2015 #136
Rex Aug 2015 #140
Daniel537 Aug 2015 #141
sadoldgirl Aug 2015 #142
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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:35 PM

1. Could you add a link, please?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:19 PM

5. !!!

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:41 PM

2. Bush did not win the Presidency for either of his terms which is

probably why he wasn't suited to the job. We, the people, knew that and did not elect him. A corrupt Supreme Court and various cheats in some states did that.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:07 PM

3. That's the same complaint that Republicans have about President Obama

 

And in both cases I'd say it is just sour grapes. Gore MIGHT have won if the SC hadn't intervened but there's no guarantee, and if he hadn't run a poor campaign the election wouldn't have been in doubt. In my mind this poll reflects how little most Americans know about history. There are many presidents who were worse than Bush. And if we are talking about the worst president during the last 45 years then I'd vote for Reagan.

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:23 PM

7. Buchanon is about the only one worse than bush.

Some were almost as bad, but few left the country in such bad shape both at home and abroad. reagan was certainly one of the worst 10.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:31 PM

10. Mass murderer Jackson.

 

How about Dred Scott loving Buchanan? Andrew Jackson made him ambassador to Russia “because we don’t have one to the North Pole”

Filipino murderer McKinley?

Sexist racist Wilson?

Calvin "I will be the least president I can be" Coolidge?

Ronald "still fucking the world 30 years after his death" Reagan.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:07 PM

61. only Jackson comes to Bush in flouting checks and balances

When the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Indians who were fighting removal, Jackson said, "The Supreme Court has made their decision, now let them enforce it," which is comparable to Bush issuing signing statements that contradicted the plain sense of bills, or violating treaties that we more or less wrote like the Geneva Convention.

In his defense, Jackson fought the big banks, and while he screwed the Indians, at least white settlers benefited.

Bush did not fight for anyone worth a billion dollars of any race ever.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #61)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:15 PM

64. Jackson's economic plans led to the Panic of 1838.

 

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:00 PM

74. Ummmmmm

Most of the Philippine Insurrection was fought after McKinley was assassinated. Blame Teddy Roosevelt for the main attrocities in the P.I.

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Response to 1939 (Reply #74)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:39 PM

76. The Philippine war for freedom started in 1899 and ended in 1902.

 

War started June 2, 1899.

Roosevelt became president on Sept 14, 1901.

War ended July 4, 1902.

10 months for Roosevelt (who wasn't VP when the war started). 2 years, 3 months with McKinley who ordered his generals to be as brutal and sadistic as possible, which they were.

Sorry, been to PI many times in the past ten years. Saw first hand, primary sources of the war and the orders given.

McKinley was a murderer.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Reply #76)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 06:53 AM

119. The Army was deeply engaged in fighting in the P.I. until December 1912

Pershing won the last battle on Jolo.

The capture of Aguinaldo did not end fighting in the islands. It ended the formal war and moved on to small scale fighting with "bandits" like the Pulahanes.

1904-1907, there were several US regiments trying to pacify Samar.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 02:52 AM

110. Do you believe Bush didn't commit mass murder, not to mention torture? n/t

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #110)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 03:05 AM

111. I refer you to my OP and the hyperlink for my answer to your question.

 

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Reply #111)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 03:17 AM

112. I liked the article I just don't believe the other ones listed above in the thread compare,

not by the scale, magnitude, corruption, and total across the board on every issue incompetence.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:42 PM

13. I'd put Warren Harding down in #2

One of the most corrupt administrations ever, can't think of a single thing he accomplished other than the Teapot Dome scandal.

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Response to Retrograde (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:49 PM

137. kept trying to remember

who I was taught was the worst up until Bush ... he was a one term and it wasn't Jr. keep thinking someone in the late 1800's..

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Response to Retrograde (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 04:44 PM

143. Harding raised tariffs, restricted immigration and cut taxes on the rich. A modern-day Donald Trump.

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:25 PM

8. Reagan? It's not even close.

George W. Bush is absolutely the worst president in US history.

Some polls cite James Buchanan because his bungling helped bring about the Civil War. Others cite LBJ, because of Vietnam. But neither of them, and especially Buchanan, had much history to guide them.

But Bush had history to guide him. And he started not one, but two Vietnams. And as a bonus he set the whole Middle East on fire. Blood, treasure, countless lives, all lost due to him. And it's not over yet. Not by a long shot.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:01 PM

32. There are no net positives from the Bush presidency.

Zero.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #32)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:28 PM

48. Here's the best advice I could give to George W. Bush

Mr. Bush,

Put on a disguise. Nothing dramatic. Just put on something so that no one knows who you are. Maybe glasses and a false mustache.

Then go to your nearest VA hospital. Go there every day, six days a week, until you are too old to travel. Tend to the vets there. Change their bed sheets. Help them eat. And then after twenty years, you have maybe atoned for a very small sliver of the damage you have done.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Reply #48)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:53 PM

57. Rusmsfeld and Cheney ought to join him

 

Along with several others.

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Response to Shemp Howard (Reply #48)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:28 PM

89. +100%!

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #32)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:27 PM

71. Not for us, anyway.

 

The Logical Bipartisan Insanity of Endless War
https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/the-logical-bipartisan-insanity-of-endless-war/

War Pays for Some: “A Hunt for Cash”

That’s something for the leading liberal pundit, partisan Democrat, and converted Obama fan Paul Krugman to reflect on. “War,” Krugman informed New York Times readers last August, “doesn’t pay” anymore, if it ever did for “modern, wealthy nations.” This is particularly true, Krugman feels, in “an interconnected world” where “war would necessarily inflict severe economic harm on the victor.”

There’s truth in his argument if by “war” we mean only major military conflicts between large and industrialized states. Such conflagrations are more than unlikely in our current “ultra-imperialist” (Karl Kautsky’s term) era marked by massive cross-national capital investment and global market inter-penetration.


More on Karl Kautsky:

Winslow, E. M. (1931). Marxian, liberal, and sociological theories of imperialism. Journal of Political Economy, 39(6), 713-758.

To Hilferding imperialism is a policy of capitalism and not a stage of capitalism itself. Kautsky also held this view, but he differed with Hilferding in regarding imperialism as a policy of industrial (albeit a "highly developed" capitalism rather than of financial capitalism. From the policy viewpoint, regardless of how it expresses itself, capitalism conceivably possesses the power to turn competitive imperialism into a cooperative economic internationalism. Kautsky, indeed, came to the conclusion during the war that imperialism is not inevitable or unalterable under capitalism but may yet attain a still higher synthesis, an "ultra-" or "super-imperialism," under which a peaceful policy may be adopted as in the days of Manchesterism, as the best means of eliminating the wastes of competitive warfare and of insuring uninterrupted profits.36 Hilferding likewise thought such an eventuality possible economically but not politically, because of antagonistic interests between the powers.37

Turning to the radical communist representatives of Marxian thought, we find very little originality, but a vast amount of polemical criticism of the theories of imperialism held by Kautsky, Hilferding, and all center and right-wing socialists. The outstanding example of this sort of criticism is found in Lenin's Imperialism.38 Embittered and disillusioned, particularly by the failure of Kautsky, so long regarded as Marx's direct successor, to go the whole way with violent revolution, Lenin makes him the scape-goat for all revisionist "renegades" from true Marxism.

Lenin and the communists generally are hostile to the notion that capitalism is capable of adopting a peaceful policy, even temporarily. The fact that capitalism once went through a peaceful stage is regarded as a mere episode in its development.39 Lenin identifies imperialism with the monopoly stage of capitalism and scornfully rejects the view that it is a mere external policy. He looks upon imperialism as "a tendency to violence and reaction in general,"40 and he brands any suggestion that it is otherwise as the talk of bourgeois reformers and socialist opportunists which glosses over the "deepest internal contradictions of imperialism."4I Granting, says Lenin, that capitalist nations should combine into such an "ultra-imperialism" or world-alliance as that visualized by Kautsky and others, it could be no more than temporary, for peaceful alliances prepare the ground for wars.42


The Logical Bipartisan Insanity of Endless War
https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/the-logical-bipartisan-insanity-of-endless-war/

But many elites in rich nations, the US (the world’s sole military superpower) above all, still and quite reasonably see an economic payoff in undertaking military engagements in mostly poor and “pre-modern” but resource-rich nations and regions. In a more classically national-imperialist vein, Washington remains committed to the use of military force in pursuit of the control of Middle Eastern oil (and other strategic energy concentrations around the world) because of the critical leverage such control grants the US over competitor states.

The biggest flaw in Krugman’s argument is his failure to make the (one would think) elementary distinction between (a) the wealthy Few and (b) the rest of us and society as whole when it comes to who loses and who gains from contemporary (endless) war, As the venerable U.S. foreign policy critic Edward S. Herman asks and observes:

“Doesn’t war pay for Lockheed-Martin, GE, Raytheon, Honeywell, Halliburton, Chevron, Academi (formerly Blackwater) and the vast further array of contractors and their financial, political, and military allies? An important feature of ‘projecting power’ (i.e., imperialism) has always been the skewed distribution of costs and benefits…The costs have always been borne by the general citizenry (including the dead and injured military personnel and their families), while the benefits accrue to privileged sectors whose members not only profit from arms supply and other services, but can plunder the victim countries during and after the invasion-occupation.”

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #71)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:34 PM

90. See? Worst president ever!

This country and the world are now fucked beyond repair.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #90)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:15 PM

104. Yeah, pretty much.

 

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #104)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:02 AM

107. Thanks. I hope to listen to that tomorrow when my buzz doesn't include music.

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:34 PM

11. That Obama didn't win?

Wow - how do they figure? He trounced both his opponents.

Even Fox would have a hard time lying about those.

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:42 PM

14. Every single one of your points is wrong. Every one.

Here. Educate yourself instead of repeating the mindless pablum you believe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:52 PM

22. Did you make an errant left turn and wind up in DU instead of...............?

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:59 PM

30. It wasn't 'most Americans'. It was professional historians.

There are not many presidents worse than Bush. No fucking way. He almost singlehandedly destroyed the nation, the harm he did persists to this day.

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:01 PM

33. According to the OP, this was a survey of historians and not a popular poll.

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:06 PM

37. Dubya lost Ohio in 2004. That is clear from exit polls. Bush lost, both times.

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:41 PM

53. Iran-Contra can't hold a candle to the debacle and its after-effects of the Illegal Iraq Invasion.

 

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:43 PM

54. Um, no. In one case (the former), it's plain lies. In the latter, it's plain fact. SEE?

 

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:51 PM

68. wait comparing people who know the 1st bush election was a fraud

and to the racist tea party yokels who are upset that Obama who won both of his elections rather easily,

there is no comparison
Right around 9-11 there was a report released from media outlets on the Florida results election concluded if the whole state was recounted Gore would of won under some standards and Bush on others, but that is not the fraud the fraud was from purging of the voter roll where people with similar sounding/spelled names or SSC#'s that were closely alike 3% of eligible African-Americans in Florida were purged off the roll's, now if you want to think this was just a coincidence and ignore that Bush's brother was Governor of Florida and the Secretary of State was his state campaign chair that is your pejorative but don't compare the 2 successful Obama elections with Bush's, one outright fraud and the 2004 re-election is murky itself where 2 elections officials in Ohio were sentenced to 18 months in jail for pre-selecting ballots for recounts, why did they do that, because they wanted to avoid lengthier recount
as it was even in their pre-selected ballots Kerry picked up votes

so it is not the same and Bush is easily in the bottom 5 of worse American Presidents and the worse one in the last 80 years

yeah and Reagan was shit too

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Response to gabeana (Reply #68)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:53 PM

93. I live in Ohio. I live in a not particularly liberal rural part of Ohio.

Every yard had multiple Kerry signs! People were so fed up with Bush that they covered their entire lawns with Kerry signs! I have never seen anything like it before or since.

I went to a close by municipal area that is traditionally staunch Republican and most of the yard signs were for Kerry and by a large margin.

There is no fucking way Bush won Ohio in 2004. As a matter of fact I feel safe in saying in 2004 Bush was crushed in Ohio.

The Bush clan are the worst presidents in US history. You can take that to the bank.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #93)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 06:18 AM

114. You're obviously not from rural NW Ohio.

In the 2000 and '04 campaign seasons, Bush signs outnumbered Gore and Kerry signs 100:1 around where I live.

I've said for years that Hitler and Stalin could run for office here as Republicans and they'd win in a landslide - simply because they would be running as Republicans.

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Response to bulloney (Reply #114)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:45 AM

128. I'm surprised to hear that about the yard signs.

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 07:46 AM

123. So when someone cheats we blame the loser for not doing better?

 

That's your argument with Gore. He should have run a better campaign so that he could have overcome mass election fraud and a rigged court system.

No, lay the blame on the cheat. W started planning his cheat with Rove from the very beginning. You can NOT pretend that W was honest when he had to get his Daddy's Supreme Court to put him in office. The 2nd time there was even more mass election fraud with votes from Ohio being counted in Chattanooga. It's still a rigged election system but Democrats have learned to overwhelm the cheats.

And just because some delusional RepubliCONS believe Obama stole the election doesn't make it so. They have NO use for facts. There were no recounts or late night vote changes like there was with W. There is absolutely no evidence Obama stole the election like the RepubliCONS did with W. Heck, RepubliCONS still want another birth certificate for Obama, so facts mean nothing to them. But there is clear evidence W stole the election.

In fact, there hasn't been an honest RepubliCON president since Eisenhower. Nixon, Raygun and the bushes were all traitors and cheats. But that's what you get when you allow capitalism to run your government.


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Response to TeddyR (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:23 AM

133. There's no comparison there...

Bush clearly got a lower proportion of the popular vote than Gore; this is not disputed even by those who think that the election was handled correctly (which I do not!) There is no serious suggestion that Obama got a lower proportion of the popular vote than Romney or McCain.

I do agree on your Reagan nomination, but not on the rest of your post.

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:42 PM

135. Ummm... welcome to DU

and the issue with Gore who "MIGHT" have won, although it rests with the SCOTUS, shouldn't have been an issue if votes were properly counted, which required nothing more than the measure of time. Bush couldn't trust in that, so thus the effort to reach a premature conclusion.

I don't like your perspective, Sir.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:41 AM

134. It could happen again with the amount of money being donated to Jeb

Spread that kind of money around and good people with do bad things...rationalizing that "it's just this once" and "it's money for my kids" or whatever.

BUSHCO has so much money stashed from its own slimy business practices that they don't really need any friends to help.

It is a dangerous time with another Bush in the mix....for that reason, I actually hope that Trump wins the nomination because I think he will explode somewhere down the line.

Image him in a debate with Bernie, and insulting that fine, gentle polite man. Trump will look like the arrogant MF sociopath that he is.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:17 PM

4. He gets my vote! This only time . . .

Yes, he is the Worst. Lots of bad ones; Andrew Johnson comes to mind. But Dubya is the worst ever.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:54 PM

94. Yes, Andrew Johnson was horrible but Bush II was worse.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:20 PM

6. 98.2% to 1.8% would be described by Republicans as "there's some disagreement"....

 

Like they say about Climate Change.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:54 PM

23. I'd like to know who those 1.8% "historians" are. Jeb, Barbara, and Laura?

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Response to George II (Reply #23)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:11 PM

45. The @#$% Yeah Our Children is Learning Historians of the Home Schools of God Bless America.

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Response to George II (Reply #23)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:07 PM

62. Probably Niall Ferguson.

He and his massive friggin' ego likely make up that entire 1.8% alone.

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Response to a la izquierda (Reply #62)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:55 PM

95. +1 an entire shit load.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:27 PM

9. It's the Chimp or James Buchanan, for sure.

 

Even Nixon, who disgraced the office, had some genuine policy accomplishments - the SALT agreements and the opening to China.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:50 PM

20. And let's not forget........................

that Nixon and his China policy..............
He gave us today's TPP, NAFTA, CAFTA, and the South Korean Trade Deal, and other great negotiated tactic "deals" and the best item on the list other than him and his entire team being criminal's and pathological liars -----------------------------------------"fast track authority" used today and yesterday ---------------just gotta love to be coerced and blackmailed into trade deals, without any discussion until it's to late----------------the legacy lives on



Honk----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016



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Response to hifiguy (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:55 PM

25. Nixon may have gone down in history as one of the greatest if he wasn't such an egomaniac.

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Response to George II (Reply #25)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:07 PM

38. Never.

 

He and War Criminal Henry Kissinger deliberately dragged the Vietnam war out for four years so he could announce "peace" right before the 1972 election, at the cost of the lives of20,000+ American soldiers and at least half a million Vietnamese military and civilians. And the '72 peace terms were identical to those that LBJ had proposed in 1968.

Kissinger monkeywrenched that plan by telling Thieu that he'd get better terms from Nixon, so LBJ's peace plan was wrecked for the sole purpose of electing Richard Nixon to the presidency.

There is a word for that: TREASON

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #38)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:57 PM

96. Treason is the word. And yet, Bush is even worse.

We should keep this fucking thread going for about a week.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:38 PM

52. I give Buchanan a pass.

James Buchanan was overwhelmed by events. And he had no history to guide him. Even his best options probably would have only delayed the Civil War. He probably could not have prevented it.

George W. Bush is in a different catagory. He could direct events, instead of just being lead by them. And he chose the most destructive options available.

Buchanan: An unfortunate president
Bush: A willfully destructive president

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:42 PM

12. It's George W. Bush...

...no brainer...

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:43 PM

15. I have to agree with the 1.8% that his Presidency was a success.

I didn't like it, you didn't like it, most people didn't like it. But Bush didn't take the job to benefit me, you, or most people, he took the job to benefit the 1%. As for the job he did for the 1%? He was 99% successful, the only thing he didn't get that he and they wanted was privatization of Social Security.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #15)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:12 PM

63. ^^^ This ^^^ - Yes - A Stunning Success for The 1%

eom

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #15)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:39 PM

92. You're spot on. Remember this?



The audience laughs and claps. Oh, that's so hilarious! McMonkey gives them tax breaks at our expense via our tax dollars and he calls them his base. Oh hahahahaha! Get it? The haves and have mores! Hahahahahaha!

Fuck you and your base, fucking asshole!

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Reply #92)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:42 AM

126. Yes I do. We may have thought his Presidency a disaster but his "base"

laughed all the way to the bank. And when that wasn't enough we bailed out the banks.

Now tell me again, who was the stupid one?

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:46 PM

16. I cannot understand the thinking of those 1.8%.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #16)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:49 PM

19. Once you meet and speak with just one you'll get it

To them facts are just someone else's opinion. Only soundbites repeated endlessly are 'facts' to them.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #19)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:55 PM

24. I have encountered their kind many times.

Facts mean nothing.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #24)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 06:25 AM

115. I've met a few of them, too, Enthusiast.

They inherited or married into their wealth, but they think they reached where they're at because of them. Most of these people aren't smart enough to push a broom. They throw their support behind the party and candidates that work harder to widen the gap between the haves and have-nots.

The classic Ann Richards line, "They were born on third base and think that they hit a triple."

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Response to bulloney (Reply #115)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:43 AM

127. Precisely.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:47 PM

17. I really didn't think I'd see this so soon after he was handed the Presidency

The fact that his brother is hurting just for being a Bush is very gratifying to me. His brother made sure that Florida went to George. He's implicated up to his eyeballs.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #17)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:51 PM

21. Yup. If there is such a thing as karma, it should be sitting all over Jebbie.

Alas, if there was karma, Dubya wouldn't be a grinning, happy idiot, finger painting through retirement in Texas.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #17)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:58 PM

97. +1!

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:47 PM

18. Dubya is easily the worst president of the modern era.

But Reagan set the stage for Dubya, legitimizing pre-emptive wars that had nothing to do with our security (Granada) and cementing trickle down economics as the cornerstone of modern conservatism.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:07 PM

40. True. Without the Zombie King

 

there could have been no Chimp.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:57 PM

26. "...while a mere 1.8% classified it as a success."

There's that 1% again.
That's all he was ever concerned with, so all is good with him, I'm sure.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:58 PM

27. He couldn't have done most of his damage if it weren't for Reagan.

That imbecile laid the groundwork for just about everything Dumbya did.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #27)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:04 PM

35. I think Dubya's dad was the most likely candidate for architect of Iran-Contra.

That makes him pretty fucking bad also.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #35)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:10 PM

42. Iran-Contra was a GHW Bush/William Casey operation

 

from the get go. The Zombie King was so addled it is entirely possible he didn't know dick about it. The list of things about which the ZK was ignorant is/was as long as the galaxy is wide.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #42)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:14 PM

46. I would even entertain the possibility that

Dubya Senior administered some secret chemical agent which accelerated Reagan's mental decline.

Think the worst you can imagine of these miscreants and you'll wind up in the ballpark.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #46)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:17 PM

47. I put nothing, and I mean absolutely

 

NOTHING past the Bush Crime Family. They are America's Borgias, corrupt beyond belief, rich, ruthless and just plain evil.

They should be extirpated root and branch from the public life of this nation.

In perpetuity.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #47)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:37 PM

91. If only the media would tell the real story.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:58 PM

28. He's Number One!!11! He's Number One!!11!






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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:58 PM

29. Prescott, Nixon, Pruneface, Poppy and Smirko are related.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #29)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:11 PM

44. OMG!

 




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Response to Octafish (Reply #29)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:30 PM

66. Smirky has been losing his hair lately...

 

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:00 PM

31. ...and the Rethugs are considering putting another one in the WH.

Because 2 weren't enough.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #31)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:28 PM

49. Obediant

The Bush family carry the water for the real powers. They can always be depended on to do whatever dirty deed required, including murder. So yea, big money likes em, they never have a thought of their own to mess with the grand plan. Turning the %99 into wage slaves.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:02 PM

34. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

People, get with it. Kick this to the top. Surely we can agree on this issue.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:04 PM

35. I think Darth Cheney was the worst president ever. nt

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #35)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:07 PM

39. There you go, messing up a perfectly good story with the truth?

LOL!

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #35)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:03 PM

87. Yep, let's give the devil his due..

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:09 PM

41. What this really speaks volumes to is that there are a lot of stupid idiots voting in this fucked up

 

country. 2nd ...this should be a warning to those that vote because of name recognition or that believe name recognition is a good thing for their chosen candidate.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:10 PM

43. W Bush proposed we use tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield!

That alone should put him the running for worst president ever.

He proposed we privatize Social Security. And just look at his RACIST response to the Katrina disaster.

There are only about an additional million other crimes and misdeeds done by Dubya.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:33 PM

50. No finer time to point this out.



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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:35 PM

51. According to Quinnipiac via CNN

 

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Response to Joe Vance (Reply #51)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:17 PM

65. That poll doesn't deal with truth or facts. Its nothing but a questionable opinion poll.

Half the population is stupid and brainwashed from constant lies and propaganda from the likes of Fox Fake News and over 1,000 republican talk radio stations pumping out lies and propaganda about Obama and the Democrats 24/7.

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Response to Elwood P Dowd (Reply #65)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:01 PM

99. +1 an entire shit load.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:45 PM

55. Oops, my answer was Donald Trump.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:52 PM

56. Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. nt

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:57 PM

58. Every day that monster is allowed to walk free is a grievous insult

to the memories of the more than a million Iraqis and Afghans that he and his loathsome ilk murdered.

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Response to b.durruti (Reply #58)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:02 PM

100. +1 an entire shit load.

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Response to b.durruti (Reply #58)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 06:49 AM

118. + another

 

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:57 PM

59. he's my vote for the worst.

certainly the worst in my lifetime. and any one of the current republican candidates i am convinced would be every bit as bad.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:59 PM

60. Jeff61b at hubpages said this?

Jeff61b at hubpages said this?
Wow that is some high powered writer there.
Does anyone need anyone to tell them how bad w was?

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Response to ryan_cats (Reply #60)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 06:29 AM

116. Yes. Early and often, before they Reaganize him.

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #116)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:38 AM

125. That would require everyone who lived through his reign to die

That would require everyone who lived through his reign to die.
Reagan's Goebbels took care of his image in real time, w was a disaster and his image was and is un-repairable.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 05:49 PM

67. every one of the 1.8 % is related to a dentist that doesnt reccomend Trident

 

which I found very telling

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:00 PM

69. Not only did he leave it in the worst shape, he started his

Presidency with it country in fantastic shape for most, then he drove it into the ground to benefit the 1%.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 06:04 PM

70. if Jeb is the nominee, I hope to see this statistic in ads

 

n/t

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 07:02 PM

72. And there's this...

 

He should be awaiting the firing squad for treason, torture, violations of international law and violations of the US Constitution. Oh, and murder of hundreds of thousands of innocents.

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Response to IHateTheGOP (Reply #72)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:05 PM

101. In many ways Dubya was as bad as our WWII Nazi oponents.

In a just world the fucker would had been tried for war crimes among other things.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #101)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 06:31 AM

117. I've been saying that Bush/Cheney are among the biggest war criminals of the past century.

Right up there with the likes of Hitler.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 07:12 PM

73. Ronald Reagan.

He made W possible. I rank him the worst, at least in my lifetime.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:06 PM

75. I wonder who the 1.8% were

 

Bush's presidency was a complete failure - there was absolutely zero positive accomplishments while he was in office.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #75)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 09:48 PM

86. Professors at Liberty University?

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:41 PM

77. I didn't know Americans for Prosperity employed any historians.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:52 PM

78. Rufus Shinra?

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:53 PM

79. Hard to imagine it could be seen any other way. He failed at everything there is possible to fail at

 

The economy was in a major recession/mini depression when he left, the rest of the world hated us, we were bogged down in two wars, one of which should never have happened and was illegal and based on a lie, and the other should have been a very quick deal but was not won quickly because resources were diverted to the illegal war.

He failed at disaster response to a major disaster (Katrina), his policies led to the creation of ISIS, and Iraq is used by Russia as an excuse as to why they can do the same thing in Crimea.

It doesn't get much worse than that.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 08:56 PM

80. Saying that the illegitimate George W. Bush was the worst President is overrating him,

he wasn't good enough to be worst, he's something below that, they may have create a new word to describe it.

Thanks for the thread, Feeling the Bern.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #80)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:06 PM

102. Nailed it, Uncle Joe!

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 09:10 PM

81. "shit for brains".....

who's scare of the American horse.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 09:20 PM

82. Duhhh!

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 09:26 PM

83. Eh. Still gotta go with Buchanan (nt)

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 09:32 PM

84. W beat Buchannan? That is impressive

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #84)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:20 PM

105. On a related note, Roberts may beat Taney.

 

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 09:43 PM

85. I think

US Grant deserves a mention and Hoover although you could argue by the time he got into office it would have been difficult to prevent the crash of 29. Madison also started a war for little reason (impressment would have solved itself given another year) that could have ruined new England's economy and lost our independence.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:16 PM

88. "the biggest waste of space to occupy 1600 Pennsylvania."

That should read: the biggest waste of space to steal the presidency twice.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 10:59 PM

98. k&r...

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:09 PM

103. I am seriously disappointed that this thread doesn't have hundreds of recommendations!

Keep this thread going. Tell your neighbors about it. Tell them to join in. They can tell stories about how the Bushes (both of 'em) fucked up their lives.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:23 PM

106. And guess who gave us the worst President in our history?!

 

The Supreme Court of the United States!!!

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Response to DrBulldog (Reply #106)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:04 AM

108. Yup. They said, "Stop counting the votes, we have our man."

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:36 AM

109. I didn't need to wait for anybody else's verdict.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 03:43 AM

113. Well DUHHH!! We knew that 6 months into his pResidency. *SOME* of us knew he was going to be

a failure before he was even selected/sworn in... just because of his past performances. Still others knew from the moment he opened his pie hole!

Peace,

Ghost

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 06:57 AM

120. Sorry folks. I despite Bush as much as many here two presidents should have gotten that spot

Namely Buchanon, and Jackson as they make Bush seem mild. I'm sure many here know why.

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Response to PFunk1 (Reply #120)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:46 AM

130. I don't know

 

The Bush administration oversaw mass murder and torture, economic collapse, failed in his handling of a major natural disaster, and outed our own spy as political payback. I think you'd be hard pressed to find another president who failed in more areas than GWB. Multiple presidents may have been more damaging in their specific specialties of failure, but I guess I view worst pres. as an overall award. Like an all around champion of a failure gymnastics competition.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 07:12 AM

121. Bush was actually not a terrible president

 

the last 18-24 months in office. He at least started to distance himself from Uncle Dick a little bit, which is probably why there was at least some modest and temporary improvement on the ground in Iraq. Doesn't change the fact that the decision to invade was a disastrous one, with permanent consequences, but I give him credit for recognizing (finally) that he was getting some horrible advice from a long-time trusted insider and that he needed to reverse course. I also give credit for basically eating his own party's free market mantras and enacting the New Deal bailout legislation. Again, the damage had been done but he was basically fighting his own party on that one and did the right thing.

The problem with Bush is that he really had no business running the country. No ideas of his own. Totally reliant on others, not only for implementing his own ideas but for ideas at all. It amazes me how idiotic American voters can be, voting for one guy just because we're tired of seeing the other guy in office. Or voting for the outsider just because we buy into this bullshit that he or she's going to change things in Washington.

Give me someone with experience, who knows how Washington works and at the same time has some sort of vision for how to enact new ideas pragmatically. Hillary Clinton would be a perfect example. Bernie Sanders...not so much.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 07:54 AM

124. FWIW, the most recent survey of scholars (yours is from 2008) in 2015 is GWB 35th, Buchanan last

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #124)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:59 PM

138. What's interesting to me ...




the eight Presidents listed below Dumbya never sat back and
watched a major American city die. Not that I'm aware of.






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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #138)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 02:50 PM

139. Yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean they were worse as people

Hoover let people go hungry in the Great Depression thinking his economic ideas were worth the pain (consensus is now they were bad for the economy anyway, but that wasn't what made him bad; it was the suffering he allowed). I don't know enough about most of the others to know why they're considered failures (apart from Harding corrupt, and I think some were pre-Civil War letting slavery stay while the chances of the war grew; Andrew Johnson screwed up the chance to fix the South after the war, I suppose).

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:14 AM

129. He's the reason I joined DU.

 

I couldn't believe the moron was actually in office. I thought I would go mad.
My screen name is a reference to him.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:15 AM

131. So, Millard Fillmore is now officially in 2nd place.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:17 AM

132. I think he was a rotten and criminal president...

but the worst in history? Not sure. I think Reagan may be the worst in recent history; and if he had not been president, Dubya might never have got to be president in the first place.

Long-term, one has to consider several from the 19th century. People tend here to refer to James Buchanan and his failure to prevent civil war, but his predecessors Fillmore and Pierce weren't great either, and their policies undoubtedly contributed to the decline of the country toward war. Both accepted slavery, and Fillmore ended up running for a far-right party, the 'Know-Nothings'. Another president, John Tyler, ended his political career as a member of the Confederate Congress (a former president becoming an active enemy of his country is really going a bit far). Earlier still, there was Andrew Jackson and that little matter of genocide.

In the UK, I'd put Thatcher the Evil One as the worst recent PM, but once again there were plenty of bad ones earlier on!

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Response to LeftishBrit (Reply #132)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 04:56 PM

144. I didn't know that Fillmore ran as a far-right Know Nothing. You learn something new every day.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:22 PM

136. KnR

Amazing the amount of Fox So Called News propagandized who think President Obama was the worst. That said, they've been unable to freep that poll enough to get him even close to President Bush.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 03:18 PM

140. Mission Accomplished!

 

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 03:32 PM

141. As if there was ever any doubt. n/t

 

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 04:16 PM

142. To me it was/is W

He did not only ruin the economy, and started two wars,

He started the whole destabilization of the ME, which will

continue for decades, and we have no idea how to solve it.

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Response to Feeling the Bern (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 05:24 PM

145. W by a mile.

 

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