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Tue Aug 25, 2015, 07:54 AM

 

Slavery Reparation solution-- black votes count as 5/3 of a person

I love this idea. Would give greater political power to blacks. Obviously, it would also turn many southern states blue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/08/21/we-used-to-count-black-americans-as-35-of-a-person-instead-of-reparations-give-them-53-of-a-vote/?

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Reply Slavery Reparation solution-- black votes count as 5/3 of a person (Original post)
Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 OP
BlueJazz Aug 2015 #1
Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #2
reformist2 Aug 2015 #3
oberliner Aug 2015 #4
840high Aug 2015 #28
pipoman Aug 2015 #5
Ace Rothstein Aug 2015 #6
romanic Aug 2015 #7
Hoppy Aug 2015 #8
Orrex Aug 2015 #9
FLPanhandle Aug 2015 #17
WillowTree Aug 2015 #10
Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #11
XemaSab Aug 2015 #12
brooklynite Aug 2015 #13
Doingto Aug 2015 #20
IDemo Aug 2015 #14
Iggo Aug 2015 #15
Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #21
Iggo Aug 2015 #23
romanic Aug 2015 #30
FLPanhandle Aug 2015 #16
hunter Aug 2015 #18
gollygee Aug 2015 #31
Doingto Aug 2015 #19
Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #22
Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #24
TeddyR Aug 2015 #26
LittleBlue Aug 2015 #25
Taitertots Aug 2015 #27
X_Digger Aug 2015 #29

Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:06 AM

1. I'd go for that. Also, I'd even say we have black people pay 3/5 of the usual tax rate. When the ...

 

...amount is figured (as to what was lost), we'll tax the corporations more to make up for it.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:14 AM

2. sounds good to me

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:15 AM

3. Ah, another outrageous person sucking all the oxygen out of the room. The last thing we need!

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:19 AM

4. This is idiotic

 

I hope it is meant as satire.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:21 PM

28. Yep

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:21 AM

5. I agree, all living slaves votes should count as 5/3...

 

We should develop a plan to fight racism with racism....what could go wrong?

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:22 AM

6. This should have been in The Onion.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:22 AM

7. This belies "Blacks are equal"

therefor I could never support something like this. And that's not even factoring those who believe in the "one drop rule" and those who don't.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:32 AM

8. I'm of slave decent. You see, I'm part Irish and Irish people were enslaved by British overlords

 

and sent to Caribbean Islands to work on plantations.

I still feel the stigma today.

Now, you can keep your mule but as for the 40 acres, I'll let you know where to mail my deed.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:38 AM

9. It would foster unprecedented resentment and would splinter the democratic party

I've never heard a better strategy to guarantee a GOP-controlled congress for decades to come.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:15 AM

17. +1

I would leave the Democratic Party if this was ever part of their platform.

I and millions of others. It would be a boon to the republicans.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:29 AM

10. Not the first time this silly notion has been trotted out.

Of course, those who advocate for this can't cite any provision in the Constitution which would allow for it.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:31 AM

11. But Native Americans still would only get a single vote.

Because, you know, they were always treated so well.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:51 AM

12. We need to create some sort of registry

and give them a bold symbol to wear so everyone knows they're black.

Maybe a big yellow star?


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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:55 AM

13. How do you decide WHICH blacks?

what if they immigrated from the Caribbean in the 20th Century?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:17 AM

20. Plus. What would be the fraction for people of mixed race?

 

5/4, I guess.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 10:04 AM

14. Ludicrous proposition

The author of this piece attempts to show that disproportionate representation already exists between states and voting districts and proposes another level of disproportionateness as thence justifiable.

There is no chance whatsoever that this would ever pass Constitutional muster, much less any action by Congress.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 10:58 AM

15. And what if you're half black?

5/6 of a person?

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Response to Iggo (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 12:24 PM

21. No, that would be absurd.

The logical formula would be that if you are x% black, the vote you had would be:

1 + 2x/300

So for 100% black (x=100) you would get 5/3 votes.

50% black (x=50) would get 1+1/3 = 4/3 votes.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #21)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 01:02 PM

23. Ah-ha! I have been mathenated.

Much ass grassy ass.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 12:32 AM

30. Lmao

Nye you never fail to make me laugh when others on here make smh. *thumbs up *

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:13 AM

16. Any such proposal would turn the entire country bright red

The outrage at such a divisive would kill the re-election chances of any legislator that supported it and would swell the ranks of the Republican party.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:15 AM

18. It's an interesting thought experiment.

It's interesting how these sorts of thought experiments upset people.

Just as the classical physicists were upset by the thought experiments of Maxwell, Einstein, and Schrödinger, conservatives are troubled by political thought experiments such as this.

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Response to hunter (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 08:24 AM

31. Yeah the responses seem weird to me too

It seemed to obviously be a thought experiment and not a serious suggestion. Did anyone actually think this was a serious suggestion?

I'd be very happy to see the GOP simply stop suppressing African American votes so each person gets one vote.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:16 AM

19. As revenge for not letting women vote for a long time...

 

Men should be stripped of the right to vote for several decades. Are you with me?

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Response to Doingto (Reply #19)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 12:25 PM

22. Would Caitlyn Jenner get to vote? (nt)

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:20 PM

24. huh, I thought this would get a better reception

 

I thought the case for reparations was pretty good.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

And it would help if the people commenting here read the linked article in the OP:

"Thanks to a compromise between Southern slaveholders who wanted enslaved blacks counted in the population, for the sake of boosting Southern congressional representation, and Northern whites who didn’t, the framers enshrined the three-fifths clause in the Constitution. This agreement set the census value of a slave as 60 percent of the value of a free person. Even after the 13th Amendment neutralized the political (and moral) compromise by abolishing slavery, Jim Crow laws, which contravened the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of equality, stopped blacks from voting. The just answer today is to invert that ratio. If black Americans were once counted as three-fifths of a person, let each African American voter now count as five-thirds.

Reparations in America have come to mean “free” money, so any serious discussion about them also mandates a discussion of how much — an exercise doomed to failure. Other ways of imagining reparations (as the spilled blood of more than half a million Union soldiers during the Civil War; as affirmative action in universities and workplaces; as subsidized education) don’t involve cash payments, but they also don’t do enough to combat the structural disadvantages black Americans face — disadvantages that have gone largely unaddressed by our legislative and executive branches."

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #24)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:46 PM

26. Somthing like 90% of folks

 

Are opposed to reparations, and at least that many would oppose this ridiculous idea.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:23 PM

25. Would cause a civil war

 

Antidemocratic and unconstitutional also.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:59 PM

27. you can't get to equality with more (albeit different) discrimination

 

One human one vote.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:34 PM

29. Stupid shit when it was posted on Saturday, too. n/t

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