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niyad

(132,492 posts)
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:59 PM Aug 2015

Everything is on fire and no one cares



Everything is on fire and no one cares
By Mark Morford on August 24, 2015 10:19 AM



2015 is fast on track to have more firefighters, more money spent, more resources dedicated to fighting wildfires than any time in modern history











. . . . .

This year, there were wildfires. Not the typical wildfires, mind you. Not the normal smattering of (relatively) easily controlled seasonal blazes that nature herself always ignites to help purge and clear; I mean all the massive, drought-amplified, state-engulfing wildfires you’ve been hearing about all season long – nearly all of them larger, earlier and more frequent than any time in modern history, ranging from a few thousand acres to the largest in the country, the Soda fire, currently engulfing upwards of 265,000 acres in southern Idaho, which joins with all the other Pacific Northwest fires burning throughout Washington, Oregon and Montana. And here you thought just California was ablaze.

Do you know about Alaska? Nearly five million acres have burned throughout that unusually hot, dry state this year, which is a record, which is something like the size of Connecticut (combined), which is more staggering than your heart can process. Go ahead, try it. And then add in Canada’s staggering wildfires, and you hit upwards of 11 million scorched acres – that’s 17,000 square miles, and still going strong. That’s terrifying.

The scariest part? Fire season, historically speaking, doesn’t even begin until September. Did you know 2015 is already officially the hottest year ever recorded on Earth? Did you know Alaska recorded its hottest month ever, in 91 years of record keeping, in May? Or that Washington’s biggest fire could keep burning until it snows? The worst – as nearly every scientist, climatologist, environmentalist in the world is all too sick of saying these days – is yet to come.


How dire do you want it? What’s it going to take? As Eric Holthaus over at Slate recently put it WRT the huge and immediate changes needed right now from the UN and various self-serving, combative, greedy world leaders to combat this downward spiral: Where is everyone? (Here’s your must-read of the month: The New Yorker profile of the amazing Christiana Figueres, head of the UN’s Framework Convention on Climate Change – the U.N.F.C.C.C. – and just what she’s up against in trying to rally member nations to make real changes, right now).

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http://blog.sfgate.com/morford/2015/08/24/everything-is-on-fire-and-no-one-cares/
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Everything is on fire and no one cares (Original Post) niyad Aug 2015 OP
I see the problem ... seveneyes Aug 2015 #1
more like Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #57
i was thinking harry chapin's "what made america famous" unblock Aug 2015 #81
It reminds me of Donald Trump's hair... hunter Aug 2015 #2
I care, and it scares me Hydra Aug 2015 #3
I guess, even if we all die at the same time, ... staggerleem Aug 2015 #58
NO, He loses. bvar22 Aug 2015 #70
I think a lot of people care. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #4
+1 n/t PasadenaTrudy Aug 2015 #6
+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #8
+1 Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #19
according to a map, the smoke has reached the gulf of mexico. it has certainly been` niyad Aug 2015 #43
I understand it has been terrible in Portland, Oregon. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #72
where there is smoke: niyad Aug 2015 #44
It's insanity. Thank you niyad. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #52
you are most welcome niyad Aug 2015 #53
Wow, that is horrible! PotatoChip Aug 2015 #56
Here is today's map from somewhere else. I am hoping the smoke is waking people up all over uppityperson Aug 2015 #73
It looks like all of Alaska is on fire Lorien Aug 2015 #80
Trump, Ashely Madison, emails, Caitlyn Halloween costumes. These things are so much more important. progressoid Aug 2015 #5
I know, how utterly silly of me. niyad Aug 2015 #45
Washington State is practically on fire artislife Aug 2015 #7
Across Washington, moondust Aug 2015 #23
kick, kick, kick.... daleanime Aug 2015 #9
I care. nt LiberalElite Aug 2015 #10
why does the author think KT2000 Aug 2015 #11
my question also Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #15
I really hate that expression-- obviously a lot of people care Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #36
mark was referring to the powers that be, the ones who slash the budgets, who deny` niyad Aug 2015 #46
But but... snowballs! Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #12
the climatologists are already talking about a super el-nino niyad Aug 2015 #47
we care Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #13
Because it's happening in relatively under populated areas. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #14
I care. murielm99 Aug 2015 #21
Thank you, but no, I don't need anything. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #26
I live in NorCal. We care. A lot. Throd Aug 2015 #16
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #17
We care. We just don't know how to stop the 1% and their neoliberal minions Zorra Aug 2015 #18
+1 nt laundry_queen Aug 2015 #28
the only way is to fight like mad to get the toxic GOP out of power Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #37
+ 1,000 suffragette Aug 2015 #75
Smoke has been thick in the Denver area SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #20
Some of us care very much indeed...Dear grandkids: I'm sorry.... Hekate Aug 2015 #22
The protests need to become more strident and, yes, destructive. Moostache Aug 2015 #24
Protests against lightning strikes? former9thward Aug 2015 #29
Thanks for that.. N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2015 #74
I care. romanic Aug 2015 #25
What do you mean nobody cares? Cleita Aug 2015 #27
mark was referring to the powers that be. niyad Aug 2015 #48
I care very much mahina Aug 2015 #30
I care, lots of wild fires in BC too. akbacchus_BC Aug 2015 #31
Remember when the 'National Guard' was called upon to help fight these National fires? Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #32
The Washington National Guard are fighting fires Boudica the Lyoness Aug 2015 #33
How many National Guard members? Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #34
The National Guard, US Army and Air Force are pitching in. Boudica the Lyoness Aug 2015 #86
Just 250 National Guard members activated to fight fires Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #35
yes, I remember. niyad Aug 2015 #49
We are sending firefighters from all over the world along with US troops to B Calm Aug 2015 #38
I heard yesterday (Tuesday) that crews from Down Under are there or on their way. n/t A HERETIC I AM Aug 2015 #65
The author of this piece is referring to politicians in western democracies and octoberlib Aug 2015 #39
thank you for understanding that point. niyad Aug 2015 #50
I reject that theory. He wrote an absolute headline which either means no one cares or implies that Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #66
you might try reading the last quoted paragraph. niyad Aug 2015 #88
True. While Scotland, Denmark, Germany, and Saudi Arabia Lorien Aug 2015 #78
It's so smoky here LWolf Aug 2015 #40
Yep. I live in Portland. Same here. our local weather forecast was "Smoky" over weekend. nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #77
It's breezy right now LWolf Aug 2015 #89
That's not strictly true... sylvanus Aug 2015 #41
If people cared about Climate Change like they do about Abortion or Gun Rights then things would be different n2doc Aug 2015 #42
sadly, I think you are correct. niyad Aug 2015 #51
The earth has its own natural cleansing system. For 400 million years forest fires were crucial to underahedgerow Aug 2015 #54
thank you for that link. niyad Aug 2015 #55
Mother Nature is probably getting rid of the problem: selfish man Stargazer99 Aug 2015 #76
The smoke from the fires dipped down into New Mexico. Very difficult breathing. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #59
I think the answer is most people don't care, at least not right now... GitRDun Aug 2015 #60
Boise smoke IDemo Aug 2015 #61
The smoke from these fires will raise temps dramatically SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2015 #62
Heart breaking and infuriating blackspade Aug 2015 #63
I care Punx Aug 2015 #64
No one driving their kid to soccer practice, or pissing away a little extra gas to increase sales of jtuck004 Aug 2015 #67
+1 octoberlib Aug 2015 #82
We are in big trouble when the RW Rethugs shutdown gov't Oct 1st. /nt NCjack Aug 2015 #68
The third photo is stunning and horrific. CrispyQ Aug 2015 #69
I grew up in the Okanogan and one of my boys, his wife, and 2 other family members Zorra Aug 2015 #71
K&R nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #79
These firemen should be given medals of honor flamingdem Aug 2015 #83
Climate Change libodem Aug 2015 #84
Picture #3 could easily have been used Ilsa Aug 2015 #85
It's tragic Utopian Leftist Aug 2015 #87
But but but, trump! onecaliberal Aug 2015 #90
Those pics are a "terrible beauty" in a way. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2015 #91
thank you for your excellent post. would you consider making it its own op, so we can rec it? niyad Aug 2015 #92
It IS a powerful bit of writing, isn't it? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2015 #93

unblock

(56,199 posts)
81. i was thinking harry chapin's "what made america famous"
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 05:04 PM
Aug 2015

It was the town that made America famous
The churches full and the kids all gone to hell
Six traffic lights and seven cops and all the streets kept clean
The supermarket and the drug store and the bars all doing well

Now they were the folks that made America famous
Our local fire department stocked with short haired volunteers
And on Saturday night while America boozes the fire
Department showed dirty movies, the lawyer and the grocer
Seeing their dreams come to life on the movie screens
While the plumber hopes that he won't be seen
As he tries to hide his fears and he wipes away his tears

But somethings burning somewhere
Does anybody care?

We were the kids that made America famous
The kind of kids that long since drove our parents to despair
We were lazy long hairs dropping our, lost confused, and copping out
Convinced our futures were in doubt and trying not to care

We lived in the house that made America famous
It was a rundown slum, the shame of all the decent
Folks in town, we hippies and some welfare cases
Crowded families of coal black faces, cramped inside
Some cracked old boards, the best that we all could afford
But still to nice for the rich landlord to tear it down

And we could hear the sound of something burning somewhere
Is anybody there?

We all lived the life that made America famous
Our cops would make a point to shadow us around our town
And we love children put a Swastika on the bright red firehouse door
America, the beautiful, it makes a body proud

And then came the night that made America famous
Was it carelessness or someone's sick idea of a joke
In the tinder box trap that we hippies lived in
Someone struck a spark at first I thought that I was dreaming
Then I saw the first flames gleaming and heard
The sound of children screaming coming through the smoke

And somethings burning somewhere
Does anybody care?

Oh it was the fire that made America famous, the sirens wailed
And the firemen stumbled sleepy from their homes and the
Plumber yelled, Come on let's go, but they saw what was burning
And said, Take it slow, let 'em sweat a little, they'll never know
And besides, we just cleaned the chrome, said the plumber
Then I'm going alone

Well he rolled on up in the fire truck and raised the
Ladder to the ledge where me and my girl and a couple of kids
Were clinging like bats to the edge, we staggered to salvation
Collapsed on the street and I never thought that a fat man's face
Would ever look so sweet

I shook his hand in the scene that made America famous
And a smile from the heart that made America great
We spent the rest of that night in the home of a man
I'd never known before it's funny when you get that close
It's kind of hard to hate

I went to sleep with the hope that made America famous
I had the kind of a dream that maybe they're still
Trying to teach in school of the America that made America famous
And of the people who just might understand that how together

Yes we can create a country better than the one
We have made of this land, we have a choice to make
Each man who dares to dream reaching out his hand
A prophet or just a crazy god damn dreamer of a fool
Yes a crazy fool

And something burning somewhere
Does anybody care? Is anybody there?
Is anybody there?

hunter

(40,697 posts)
2. It reminds me of Donald Trump's hair...
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 10:29 PM
Aug 2015

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The 21st century certainly isn't what I was expecting.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
3. I care, and it scares me
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 10:36 PM
Aug 2015

We don't want to put the resources toward something like this- Wall St. is still busy stealing every penny they can lay their hands on.

The whole world may end up burning or flooding before we see the end of this...and the people at the top are STILL fighting to keep status quo in place.

As Nero fiddles indeed...

 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
58. I guess, even if we all die at the same time, ...
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 01:29 PM
Aug 2015

... the one who does so with the most toys STILL wins!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
70. NO, He loses.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:09 PM
Aug 2015

He can sit surrounded by his toys on the Last Day.

I will be surrounded by family and loved ones.

Starry Messenger

(32,381 posts)
19. +1
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 12:00 AM
Aug 2015

This is one of those disasters that is so huge, I don't really know what to do with my feelings. The smoke reached all the way down here in the Bay Area. I know it is bad.

niyad

(132,492 posts)
43. according to a map, the smoke has reached the gulf of mexico. it has certainly been`
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 11:19 AM
Aug 2015

wreaking havoc in colorado this last week, as in so many other places.

it is hard to wrap one's mind around millions and millions and millions of acres on fire.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
72. I understand it has been terrible in Portland, Oregon.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:02 PM
Aug 2015

We need a moratorium on the use of fossil fuels in Southern California, Arizona, New Mexico and parts of Texas just to start. Maybe Nevada and parts of Utah should be included.

We could phase in this total moratorium over a period of 15 years. That's about the life of many cars (although ours are older; we use them relatively little).

We need to invest in solar panels in the Southwest and in rail. I'm seeing more and more electric cars. That's a good sign.

Bicycles are great, but you have to get cars off the roads first (or at least many of the cars). That's how bicycles can become safe and popular.

If you have bicycles and cars sharing roads, the bicycle riders will inevitably get the bad end of the deal. Not only are they small and hard to see if they ride up next to a truck or parked car or at night (especially if the riders wear dark clothing and have no reflectors), but they are easily knocked over, hard to stop and start (which causes bike riders to ignore traffic stops and signals), have no rear view mirrors and cause a lot of other safety problems on the streets of a big city like Los Angeles that has heavy traffic.

But if we had really good public transportation, subsidized so it is nearly free, then people would get out of their cars.

We have to do these things to save our environment.

It is already too hot.

In Southern California, the drought may not be totally due to climate change, but I have to report that, judging from the number of avocados on our trees, the drought has decimated our squirrel population. We still have skunks and raccoons (in the middle of the city), but I'm not seeing squirrels, and they are leaving our avocados alone.

We need stronger action on climate change. There is no denying it is here. I'm hoping that Alaskans will wake up and lead the call. They are feeling it the most right now.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
56. Wow, that is horrible!
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 11:50 AM
Aug 2015

But there is no such thing as climate change. No siree!

I hope there are no DU members in the path of these monster fires. If there are, my thoughts and prayers are with them.

Not good. Not good at all.

uppityperson

(116,022 posts)
73. Here is today's map from somewhere else. I am hoping the smoke is waking people up all over
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:11 PM
Aug 2015

that there is a problem, and I don't mean just us plebs, but the politicians. Where is your map from, I like it showing Canada and Mexico also? Mine is from http://wildfiretoday.com

progressoid

(53,195 posts)
5. Trump, Ashely Madison, emails, Caitlyn Halloween costumes. These things are so much more important.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:09 PM
Aug 2015
 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
7. Washington State is practically on fire
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:10 PM
Aug 2015

A friend in Fremont, a neighborhood in Seattle asked what fire was happening in the area. The smoke was so thick.

Well, so far the nearest fire isn't a danger but the amount of fires to the north and east (and some in the RAIN forest!!) is so high. It is crazy...

We have had the dryest last 3 months that I can remember.

Link to the memorial service for the 3 who died at Twisp.

http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/wildfires/2015/08/25/memorial-service-for-fallen-firefighters-sunday/32346021/

KT2000

(22,155 posts)
11. why does the author think
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:50 PM
Aug 2015

no one cares? I am lucky to not be close to a fire but our area is getting smoke from the fires in British Columbia and at other times from the Olympic National Forest. Many people have lost their homes , their livestock, their livelihoods and I feel for them. Our area has seen commercial farmers having to be limited to 60% of their normal crops because of drought. The state has an emergency fund for the farmers but what about next year?

We are in trouble.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
36. I really hate that expression-- obviously a lot of people care
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 07:19 AM
Aug 2015

it just there's so little most of us can do. Of course, what we really need is major action on climate change, but that will never happen as long as the GOP has any semblance of power.

niyad

(132,492 posts)
46. mark was referring to the powers that be, the ones who slash the budgets, who deny`
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 11:22 AM
Aug 2015

catastrophic climate change, who fiddle while the country burns.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
12. But but... snowballs!
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:50 PM
Aug 2015

Seriously, those huge red areas in the oceans means crazy ass storms are coming. Hot oceans lead to bad news.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
14. Because it's happening in relatively under populated areas.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:52 PM
Aug 2015

When SoCal ignites and Malibu homes are burning, it's a whole different story. For many reasons, not all very good.

It sucks, but that's why.


My State is literally going up in flames. I care. I care a lot.


murielm99

(32,989 posts)
21. I care.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 12:14 AM
Aug 2015

I don't live anywhere near it, but I care. But what are we supposed to DO? Caring is all we can do.

Do you need anything? I don't think there is anything I can give or do about it.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
26. Thank you, but no, I don't need anything.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 12:54 AM
Aug 2015

I feel as helpless as you do.

It's really sad.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
18. We care. We just don't know how to stop the 1% and their neoliberal minions
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:59 PM
Aug 2015

from burning the earth to a toxic waste crisp.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
20. Smoke has been thick in the Denver area
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 12:02 AM
Aug 2015

when the rain forest in the northwest are burning like this it is way past time to stop and think

Moostache

(11,191 posts)
24. The protests need to become more strident and, yes, destructive.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 12:31 AM
Aug 2015

When people stalled the Shell arctic drilling rig from leaving Seattle earlier this month, they should have sunk it instead.

Here's the rub....people who understand basic science have known for DECADES that the danger was real, the cause was anthropomorphic and the impact was something that time only makes worse. People in positions of power have only used their resources to protect their wallet and muddy the waters.

The dirty secret that no one likes to mention in polite company?

Its already game over.
The releases of methane from the arctic tundras was the last trigger of irreversible feedback loops that will thwart any too-little, too-late half-measures that the world's technological powers will roll out in about 5 years or more. We are on the runaway portion of the warming curve, and its starting decades earlier than the too conservative, too weak international models were ALLOWED to say...

Take a good, long last look at the best things are going to be for the rest of humanity's brief run on the surface of this planet. We're going away and sooner than anyone expects. Civilization will fail. Agriculture will collapse. Extinction is stalking. 30 years ago we had a chance to divert this metaphorical asteroid and avoid the biggest impact. Now?

Zero barrier has been breached.



"The End Of The Innocence"

Remember when the days were long
And rolled beneath a deep blue sky
Didn't have a care in the world
With mommy and daddy standin' by
But "happily ever after" fails
And we've been poisoned by these fairy tales
The lawyers dwell on small details
Since daddy had to fly

But I know a place where we can go
That's still untouched by men
We'll sit and watch the clouds roll by
And the tall grass wave in the wind
You can lay your head back on the ground
And let your hair fall all around me
Offer up your best defense
But this is the end
This is the end of the innocence

O' beautiful, for spacious skies
But now those skies are threatening
They're beating plowshares into swords
For this tired old man that we elected king
Armchair warriors often fail
And we've been poisoned by these fairy tales
The lawyers clean up all details
Since daddy had to lie

But I know a place where we can go
And wash away this sin
We'll sit and watch the clouds roll by
And the tall grass wave in the wind
Just lay your head back on the ground
And let your hair spill all around me
Offer up your best defense
But this is the end
This is the end of the innocence

Who knows how long this will last
Now we've come so far, so fast
But, somewhere back there in the dust
That same small town in each of us
I need to remember this
So baby give me just one kiss
And let me take a long last look
Before we say goodbye

Just lay your head back on the ground
And let your hair fall all around me
Offer up your best defense
But this is the end
This is the end of the innocence


Writer(s): Don Henley, Bruce Hornsby

N_E_1 for Tennis

(13,037 posts)
74. Thanks for that..
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:28 PM
Aug 2015

I believe most people don't understand. You do.
No tin foil hat anymore.
It's here. We must learn to adapt.
But it may be to late for that also.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
25. I care.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 12:37 AM
Aug 2015

I may not live in the West but i definitely care. These fires will affect the planet for years to come.

The silver lining is that Mother Nature always heals and brings about new life; question is, will mankind be around to see that happen?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
27. What do you mean nobody cares?
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 12:54 AM
Aug 2015

We care. We have cared since we were warned about this fifteen years ago. The yo yos that could do something about this don't care.

mahina

(20,645 posts)
30. I care very much
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 01:27 AM
Aug 2015

not just because we have ohana out there fighting fire. It is overwhelming emotionally though,, to grasp what is happening. The loss is on a scale that's bigger than our minds can really get around. But I care and I know everybody else cares too.

akbacchus_BC

(5,830 posts)
31. I care, lots of wild fires in BC too.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 01:29 AM
Aug 2015

Most importantly, I hope we get some rain soon. Here in BC, we will get some reprieve as rain is expected this week.

I just pray that more families are not going to be losing their homes, here in BC or the US.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
32. Remember when the 'National Guard' was called upon to help fight these National fires?
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 01:59 AM
Aug 2015





I do.
 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
33. The Washington National Guard are fighting fires
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 02:36 AM
Aug 2015

here in Washington State. We are getting all kinds of help. We have fire fighters from New Zealand, Australia and all over the US. DNR even asked for volunteers to pitch in. We're balls to the wall.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
34. How many National Guard members?
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 02:41 AM
Aug 2015

Can you find that data? I suspect half are overseas

Use to live in Washington State and I'm concerned about this too.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
86. The National Guard, US Army and Air Force are pitching in.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 07:58 PM
Aug 2015

There are so many fires burning in Idaho, Oregon and Washington that I can't find the data. I just see numbers of fire fighters for different fires.

Also the military personal are undergoing a week of fire fighting training before they go into the field - so numbers are changing all the time.

I don't have time to try to dig up numbers right now but maybe this will be of help.

http://mil.wa.gov/

We were early victims of this years fire season back in June.

Good news is there maybe some rain in the mountains this weekend.



niyad

(132,492 posts)
49. yes, I remember.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 11:25 AM
Aug 2015

I also remember the insane turf war going on during the waldo canyon fire here, when we learned that there is a ridiculous hierarchy about who can be called when, instead of bringing all resources to bear when the damned thing starts.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
38. We are sending firefighters from all over the world along with US troops to
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 07:39 AM
Aug 2015

fight the fires and you say no one cares?

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
39. The author of this piece is referring to politicians in western democracies and
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 08:31 AM
Aug 2015

the UN when he says that no one cares. Huge and immediate changes are needed right now and it's just isn't gonna happen.


How dire do you want it? What’s it going to take? As Eric Holthaus over at Slate recently put it WRT the huge and immediate changes needed right now from the UN and various self-serving, combative, greedy world leaders to combat this downward spiral: Where is everyone?
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
66. I reject that theory. He wrote an absolute headline which either means no one cares or implies that
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 02:35 PM
Aug 2015

those who do do not count. He says 'no one cares' orders his luncheon and yet thousands care so much they are fighting the fires, coming from all over the world to do so. But Mark cares, not the people fighting the fires. If this guy needs that for himself, he does not really see the emergency.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
78. True. While Scotland, Denmark, Germany, and Saudi Arabia
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:43 PM
Aug 2015

work towards getting off fossil fuels within the next 5-10 years, Obama talks about switching to 30% renewables by 2030, and gives Shell the go ahead to drill in the Arctic. It's insane.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
40. It's so smoky here
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 08:33 AM
Aug 2015

that we canceled our plan for hiking and enjoying the great outdoors and natural beauty of our area this last week before school starts. It's ugly out there, and even in doors my eyes are burning and my throat is raw.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
77. Yep. I live in Portland. Same here. our local weather forecast was "Smoky" over weekend. nt
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 04:40 PM
Aug 2015
 

sylvanus

(122 posts)
41. That's not strictly true...
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 09:02 AM
Aug 2015

45% of Americans simply don't believe in global climate change.
30% of them are worrying about eating tonite and where to sleep.
20% of them think the new iPhone app or other miracle of technology will fix the problem.
and the last 5% of us are wonder where and how will spend our days when
the food riots start.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
42. If people cared about Climate Change like they do about Abortion or Gun Rights then things would be different
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 09:12 AM
Aug 2015

I am not suggesting those two groups would be inclined to believe in climate change or want to do anything about it. Just that it will take that level of dedication, even fanaticism, to get our politicians to pay attention and do something significant about it.

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
54. The earth has its own natural cleansing system. For 400 million years forest fires were crucial to
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 11:39 AM
Aug 2015

countless species of plants and animals actually thriving in the years following fires. It's a natural balance. Very often, species that had previously died out re-emerged in the years following fires. The giant Sequoias are a prime example; their seeds can only burst and propagate with the heat of forest fires.

Yes, climate change is an issue, especially in terms of pollution and the massive harms to people and the environment, but this is also part of earth's natural cycles. She's her own washing machine, and cleanses and rejuvenates herself.

This is an article that articulates well the cycle of fire and how it actually benefits the earth. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/fire/plants.html

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
59. The smoke from the fires dipped down into New Mexico. Very difficult breathing.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 01:29 PM
Aug 2015

STOP! destroying our home! Billionaires! STOP! Destroying the earth.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
60. I think the answer is most people don't care, at least not right now...
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 01:31 PM
Aug 2015

There is no "Forest Lives Matter", if you will, to represent nature.

The rest of us are struggling under the weight of decades of ever increasing living costs with no real wage increases.

In effect, the rest of us are trying to put out our own fires.

That's how much we've lost our way...

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
61. Boise smoke
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 01:39 PM
Aug 2015

It's not as bad as it has been, but the sky over the past few weeks has reminded me of my childhood in Southern California:

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,412 posts)
62. The smoke from these fires will raise temps dramatically
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 01:44 PM
Aug 2015

Where are the color coded warnings of immanent danger when you need them?

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
63. Heart breaking and infuriating
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 02:00 PM
Aug 2015

This goes back to at least the 70s.
Scientists knew about the problem then and we had a President that was willing to start the conversation about conservation and clean energy. But the American electorate wanted more money, more stuff, and jingoistic fantasies rather than common sense and the preservation of the future. Thanks Reagan Democrats, you fucking idiots.

Punx

(474 posts)
64. I care
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 02:02 PM
Aug 2015

My wife’s family has property in the N. Oregon Coast Range. We have had two serious forest fires nearby in the last 13 months. In the last couple of years we have had Red Flag warnings from the NWS in January, FREAKING JANUARY in the north Oregon Coast Range! Normally you would need napalm to get something to burn that time of year. The Olympics in Washington state which are even wetter had a serious forest fire this summer and that is unheard of up there. I have never seen smoke in the Portland area like I did this weekend. It reminded me of the San Fernando Valley in LA when the hills were burning.

But I also care about this world as a whole and for others who are hurt by the fires and climate change, and my children and their generation and what they are going to inherit.

What can I do about it? Well I rode my bike to work this morning. I try to ride as much as possible, we hang dry our laundry as much as we can. Little things I know.

I can, do and will support politicians that address climate change, support renewables, and good community planning.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
67. No one driving their kid to soccer practice, or pissing away a little extra gas to increase sales of
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 02:37 PM
Aug 2015

their chinese made widget, or....

sees themselves as part of the problem. The problem is the 100%. But it is curious - we are burning the place up, and can't seem to stop ourselves.

I don't really know if "we" "care" or not, but I do know a solution is coming. People should learn how to eat on less to prepare.

CrispyQ

(40,973 posts)
69. The third photo is stunning and horrific.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:08 PM
Aug 2015

I think most people feel hopeless when they think about it so they don't think about it.

We should have listened to Jimmy Carter's message of conservation & started taking action then. But Americans didn't want to be told that they weren't exceptional & that they should turn down their thermostats & drive 55. Fast forward 40 years & we have a huge contingent of our population still in denial about climate change while the world burns around them.

Didn't the Bible predict the second destruction would be by fire? Any by our own making, no less. The irony.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
71. I grew up in the Okanogan and one of my boys, his wife, and 2 other family members
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:44 PM
Aug 2015

have now been evacuated from their homes because of the Tunk Block fires.

flamingdem

(40,899 posts)
83. These firemen should be given medals of honor
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 05:46 PM
Aug 2015

and recognized nationally in every possible forum.

Utopian Leftist

(534 posts)
87. It's tragic
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 08:19 PM
Aug 2015

And in the future they will look back at our time with shame and disgrace, as we look upon those who perpetrated slavery or genocide: "How could you let this happen?" they will ask us.

And like Kurt Vonnegut wrote, the only excuse we'll come up with is that we were rolling drunk on petroleum.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,161 posts)
91. Those pics are a "terrible beauty" in a way.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 09:38 PM
Aug 2015

I am totally overwhelmed by the magnitude of the fires, both in our West and across the Globe, which has not been as widely reported.

Happened to be reading this, today:



But the most ominous thing about these fires is that they are not merely an effect of climate change,They are a cause.
The burning of the forests and tundra is releasing astounding quantities of carbon, stored for centuries in the wood and the permanently frozen subsoil. Melting permafrost releases methane, a greenhouse gas many times more destructive of the world’s climate than carbon dioxide. The fires are in fact a feedback mechanism, accelerating climate change as climate change accelerates them.

In one of Ray Bradbury’s searing, never-to-be-unread short stories, an astronaut in a space suit is floating languidly in space, musing on his existence and the wonderful perspective he has on the blue planet Earth below him. Shortly we learn that these are the musings of a doomed man, as he is in fact hurtling toward that earth and will die a fiery death when he hits the atmosphere. Just before that happens, we leave him, and join a mother and small child taking an evening walk as the child looks up in wonder and says, “Look, Mom! A shooting star!”

Somewhere in the northern hemisphere tonight, a small child will look up in wonder and say, “Look, Mom! What a pretty sunset!”

http://www.dailyimpact.net/2015/07/22/the-fires-this-time/#more-2993

niyad

(132,492 posts)
92. thank you for your excellent post. would you consider making it its own op, so we can rec it?
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 11:15 AM
Aug 2015

dixiegrrrrl

(60,161 posts)
93. It IS a powerful bit of writing, isn't it?
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 11:38 AM
Aug 2015

I had posted it also in another thread about the fires.

Lemme think over the idea of an OP.

I am really liking the writer at that web site.

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