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Matrosov

(1,098 posts)
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 11:08 AM Aug 2015

The most frightening thing about Trump is..

..not his hair

The most frightening thing about Trump is his poll numbers go up every time he says something ignorant.

He is a symptom of ignorance rather than a cause. He simply says things what a worryingly large number of Americans are already thinking. Trump himself will go away again eventually but the underlying sentiment that has made him so popular in the first place will remain

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The most frightening thing about Trump is.. (Original Post) Matrosov Aug 2015 OP
He's gathering up all the submissives in the GOP that are looking for a master. Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #1
He's saying things most Americans worry about? yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #2
This is the GOP's problem. Trump is the result of decades of wedge politics. Sit back and enjoy. BlueStreak Aug 2015 #3
Trump is Palin madamesilverspurs Aug 2015 #4
+1 nt steve2470 Aug 2015 #16
The most frightening thing is that he could win nichomachus Aug 2015 #5
^ ^ THIS ^ ^ +1,00000! RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #6
HRC and The DNC are two different things AndreaCG Aug 2015 #8
Are they really? RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #10
So Hillary is an elderly woman AndreaCG Aug 2015 #7
Never said Bernie wasn't old nichomachus Aug 2015 #12
The Clinton campaign has not trashed Sander. MohRokTah Aug 2015 #9
Really? nichomachus Aug 2015 #11
Really? You're going to equate a group on DU to Clinton surrogates? MohRokTah Aug 2015 #13
Amen !! I'm starting to think Sander supporters thought HE was a shoe in... uponit7771 Aug 2015 #14
yep he could win steve2470 Aug 2015 #15
FDR made it into the Whitehouse in a wheelchair. greatlaurel Aug 2015 #17

Xipe Totec

(44,557 posts)
1. He's gathering up all the submissives in the GOP that are looking for a master.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 11:20 AM
Aug 2015

Mr. Trump will see you now...

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
2. He's saying things most Americans worry about?
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 11:26 AM
Aug 2015

Well then perhaps our democratic candidates better start talking about them too. Your post makes me wonder if trump can win if he is talking about what Americans worry about. I never thought that.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
3. This is the GOP's problem. Trump is the result of decades of wedge politics. Sit back and enjoy.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 11:49 AM
Aug 2015

I know it is fashionable to day "Don't underestimate Trump. We must take him seriously."

BA-LO-NEY !!!

Trump cannot win a general election. There are almost no Dems would would vote for him and a big part of the GOP base will not support him. If nominated, Trump sets back the GOP efforts to court the Latino base by 10 years. There are no scenarios where the numbers add up at all. This would be a Goldwater election.

Worse than that (for the GOP), having Trump on the ballot would bring out Dem voters in HUGE numbers -- HUGE!!! And this would help up and down the ballot.

Trump is a GOP nightmare and the GOP knows it. The GOP would love to get rid of the guy, but Trump is enough of an asshole to run a third party campaign, which would guarantee a Dem victory for the White House. However, considering the big picture, that is probably the GOP's best option. They cannot allow him to be their candidate.

If the polls were closer, then the GOP could use their local apparatus to block Trump from winning enough Primary delegates. And in that scenario, they could buy him off to step aside. This is probably why Trump ran in the first place, to blackmail the GOP for favors worth billions to him. But a funny thing happened on the way to the forum. Trump jumped to the top of the polls and is staying there. If Trump really believes he can be President, then there are no deals the GOP can offer him that are as good as the deals he can wrangle as President.

Trump cannot win. But he believes he can, and that's what is driving things right now.

madamesilverspurs

(16,508 posts)
4. Trump is Palin
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:32 PM
Aug 2015

spelled inside-out. Her fan club is his fan club, and none of them are known for intellectual luminescence.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
5. The most frightening thing is that he could win
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 01:04 PM
Aug 2015

He's charging ahead in the polls.

The Democrats have all their eggs in the Hillary basket. The Hillary camp spends a lot of time trashing Sanders, something that will probably cripple him in the end. If Hillary stumbles and falls along the line, there is no plan B, except some retreads -- Gore, Biden, etc. (Hey, let's just throw in Kerry for good measure) -- and a couple of people with almost no name recognition outside of the Democratic political community.

You can laugh at Palin -- I do -- but 59,000,000 Americans voted for her -- and that was against Obama. Imagine Trump with no credible Democratic opponent.

What could happen to Hillary? Well, she is an elderly woman. Things happen. She's had health problems in the past. Suppose she were to trip, fall, and break her hip. A woman is going to have a hard time getting into the White House. A woman in a wheelchair? Forget it.

Also, a lot depends on who was poking around in her supposedly "secure" homebrew servers. If you don't think anyone was, you are horribly naive. Most IT system in the world have been broken into. That's a fact. The saying among IT security experts is that there are two types of organizations -- those that have been hacked and those who don't know they've been hacked.

I'm guessing a variety of groups and people have been tiptoeing through the tulips in her email. Candidates are: KGB, Mossad, Iran, China, a handful of script kiddies, and quite possibly, Anonymous.

If someone releases a treasure trove of embarrassing emails at an inopportune time, Hillary could be done for.

As far as Trump, remember Gandhi's saying : First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

That axe cuts both ways

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
6. ^ ^ THIS ^ ^ +1,00000!
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 01:15 PM
Aug 2015

HRC and the DNC's short-sighted leadership have left the Democratic Party incredibly vulnerable. We are skating on extremely thin ice and just hoping that it doesn't get warmer.

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
8. HRC and The DNC are two different things
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 01:30 PM
Aug 2015

I'm in agreement that the DNC needs Debbie Wasserman Schultz booted out. She's awful.

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
7. So Hillary is an elderly woman
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 01:28 PM
Aug 2015

What is Sanders who is five or more years older than her? Somehow invulnerable? It's laughable to say all Hillary does is trash Bernie. They actually have steered clear of that. Now the supporters - I've seen more of Bernie supporters like I presume you are trashing Hillary than the reverse

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
12. Never said Bernie wasn't old
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 01:52 PM
Aug 2015

Never said he was invulnerable. Not even credible straw men. You need to work on that.

My argument would be the same if the Dems put all their eggs in the Bernie basket.

If you've got elderly people running, you have to realize that things happen. Yes, they can happen to younger people too, but as people age, the probability increases dramatically. It's called life.

And yes, some Bernie people trash Hillary, but they do it in the open -- not hiding in the Hillary Room, where no defense is allowed.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
9. The Clinton campaign has not trashed Sander.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 01:32 PM
Aug 2015

Not even once.

Sheesh, make shit up about good Democrat? I thought that was the job of the GOP.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
11. Really?
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 01:47 PM
Aug 2015

Not Hillary. Her pollsters know that's not good, but she has surrogates.

Just go to the Hillary fan club group on DU. That's where her supporters run to trash Bernie and then ban anyone who tries to defend him. Quite cowardly.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
13. Really? You're going to equate a group on DU to Clinton surrogates?
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 01:56 PM
Aug 2015


And the Bernie club on DU is even worse.

steve2470

(37,481 posts)
15. yep he could win
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:26 PM
Aug 2015

Trump supporters + enough independents + lack of Democratic turnout + very small percentage of Democrats + huge Republican turnout = a win in the GE

We Democrats and left-leaning independents need to freaking VOTE in the GE. No excuses barring horrible illness and overwhelming family tragedy. Absentee ballot, vote by mail, take a day off work, etc.

greatlaurel

(2,020 posts)
17. FDR made it into the Whitehouse in a wheelchair.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:48 PM
Aug 2015

Why would a woman in a wheelchair not be electable? Seems like a sexist argument.

Has Bernie released his medical history?

Using the old sexist double standards do not help Bernie's cause. He has a lot of important things to say. It would behoove his supporters to discuss his voting record and proposals rather than using sexist tropes attacking HRC.

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