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from truthdig:
by Chris Hedges
The ideological and physical hold of American imperial power, buttressed by the utopian ideology of neoliberalism and global capitalism, is unraveling. Most, including many of those at the heart of the American empire, recognize that every promise made by the proponents of neoliberalism is a lie. Global wealth, rather than being spread equitably, as neoliberal proponents promised, has been funneled upward into the hands of a rapacious, oligarchic elite, creating vast economic inequality. The working poor, whose unions and rights have been taken from them and whose wages have stagnated or declined over the past 40 years, have been thrust into chronic poverty and underemployment, making their lives one long, stress-ridden emergency. The middle class is evaporating. Cities that once manufactured products and offered factory jobs are boarded up-wastelands. Prisons are overflowing. Corporations have orchestrated the destruction of trade barriers, allowing them to stash $2.1 trillion in profits in overseas banks to avoid paying taxes. And the neoliberal order, despite its promise to build and spread democracy, has hollowed out democratic systems to turn them into corporate leviathans.
Democracy, especially in the United States, is a farce, vomiting up right-wing demagogues such as Donald Trump, who has a chance to become the Republican presidential nominee and perhaps even president, or slick, dishonest corporate stooges such as Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and, if he follows through on his promise to support the Democratic nominee, even Bernie Sanders. The labels liberal and conservative are meaningless in the neoliberal order. Political elites, Democrat or Republican, serve the demands of corporations and empire. They are facilitators, along with most of the media and most of academia, of what the political philosopher Sheldon Wolin calls our system of inverted totalitarianism.
The attraction of a Trump, like the attraction of Radovan Karadzic or Slobodan Milosevic during the breakdown of Yugoslavia, is that his buffoonery, which is ultimately dangerous, mocks the bankruptcy of the political charade. It lays bare the dissembling, the hypocrisy, the legalized bribery. There is a perverted and, to many, refreshing honesty in this. The Nazis used this tactic to take power during the Weimar Republic. The Nazis, even in the eyes of their opponents, had the courage of their convictions, however unsavory those convictions were. Those who believe something, even something repugnant, are often given grudging respect.
These neoliberal forces are also rapidly destroying the ecosystem. The Earth has not had this level of climate disruption since 250 million years ago when it underwent the Permian-Triassic extinction, which wiped out perhaps 90 percent of all species. This is a percentage we seem determined to replicate. Global warming is unstoppable, with polar ice caps and glaciers rapidly melting and sea levels certain to rise 10 or more feet within the next few decades, flooding major coastal cities. Mega-droughts are leaving huge patches of the Earth, including parts of Africa and Australia, the west coast of the United States and Canada and the southwest United States, parched and plagued by uncontrollable wildfires. We have lost 7.2 million acres to wildfires nationwide this year, and the Forest Service has so far spent $800 million struggling to control conflagrations in California, Washington, Alaska and other states. The very word drought is part of the deception, implying this is somehow reversible. It isnt. .............................(more)
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_great_unraveling_20150830
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
chervilant
(8,267 posts)so little time...
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)But I will vote Bernie to try to prove our Democracy is still viable.
ananda
(28,834 posts)I think Sanders really wants to change the system.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Can use the word "recovery" the same way.
Augiedog
(2,543 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Who knows, the next time?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)- John Fitzgerald Kennedy
punguin54
(47 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)tblue37
(65,218 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)...we will refuse to take. Soon the jesters and clowns will show up and shake their little emojis at Casandra, and they will all have a fine snark and an LOL. But the clockwork gears are set in motion and civilisation itself is unwinding. Not the sort of topic that lasts long on this forum...now back to the circus, where were we? Oh yeah, Trump toilet paper...
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,075 posts)... no body seems to talk about Joe Dimaggio either.
pscot
(21,024 posts)Nice.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)There's always hope. Even if that's all you got.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)brush - has to or the entire basis for the personal opinion falls on it's historical petard....which is why all the RECS at DU, and probably also all the applause at Fox, and why I stopped reading at that paragraph....ridiculous.
Even takes a huge side swipe broad brush to Sanders, swinging the same demagoguery he critiques!
"The United States, is a farce, vomiting up right-wing demagogues such as Donald Trump, who has a chance to become the Republican presidential nominee and perhaps even president, or slick, dishonest corporate stooges such as Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and, if he follows through on his promise to support the Democratic nominee, even Bernie Sanders."
But keep on RECing...wonder if Hedges wrote this before Sanders pledge to continue the CIA drone program?
To summarize:
olegramps
(8,200 posts)He should write speeches for Trump and Cruz. It mimics their over blown simplistic rhetoric. His attack on Sanders is especially revolting. I guess he is positioning himself for a job on FOX.
marmar
(77,053 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Meet sand.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)And look up his resume'.
He's probably America s best writer on social commentary. Factual and to the point.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)While his rant has a great deal of truth, it seems to me to offer no solutions. We are confronted with serious problems, just as those who have come before us have had to contend with.
I especially take exception to his attack on Obama and Sanders. Sanders is offering real solutions to problems that have been in part due to our lack vision in the Middle East for example. He condemns the very base cause which is greed. The same goes for President Obama who has been stymied by the hatred of the Republicans who are driven primarily by racism. I fail to understand why he would attack the very people who have struggled to take corrective measures. What I meant by my comment about FOX is that his rhetoric is as empty of solutions as that which is presented at FOX 24/7.
HomerRamone
(1,112 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Chris' writings are, generally speaking, more of a critique of our current political system (such as it is), as well as our neoliberal economic status quo, than it is about Obama and Sanders. But I agree with you that he is sometimes short on answers.
I too hold a great deal of respect for Chris Hedges, and rarely ever disagree with what he has to say. Especially when I take into account that nearly everything he has written in the past decade or so has come to pass. He's eerily good at prognosticating future events based on current and past history.
That said, I hope that Chris' pessimistic outlook regarding the matter of Sanders' choosing to run as a Dem --so as to bring about change from within the current political system, is wrong. Unlike Chris, I still hold out hope that revolutionary change is possible, but the odds are against us, and time is running out.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)However, I can see no other option than stand behind Sen Sanders and try to change the culture.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Chris Hedges worries that Bernie running as a Dem (rather than a Green or Independent) and endorsing Hillary if he loses the primary will lend a false legitimacy to the status quo. While that may arguably be true, what does it matter at this point?
Bernie may not only win, but succeed in pulling an enormous, lasting coalition together that will bring about the change we need. We have to at least try this route.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)represents a huge investment in infrastructure and it belongs to us. We need to take back control of the leadership from the Oligarchy.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Hedges is probably my favorite writer alive today, I'm all in with Bernie.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)He said "slick, dishonest corporate stooges such as Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and, if he follows through on his promise to support the Democratic nominee, even Bernie Sanders."
So he's only including him if he supports Hillary. But if Bernie wins, there is still a chance to save ourselves.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the Oligarchs game. Sanders provides some hope but he will still have to play, at least to some degree. Hedges thinks a peaceful revolution is needed and he is probably correct. But I don't have much faith that even that will work. Societies will always need leaders. And leaders are always chosen from the smartest or strongest people. Weak people get replaced quickly. I believe that we need more T. Roosevelt and F. Roosevelts. They were elites that believed it was best for everyone to take care of the poor and working classes.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)For one thing...I'm not going to read it again to refresh what it said, but I noticed the argument that the drought is not reversible.
This current drought we are suffering from has not been determined to be part of global warming. Instead it has been deemed to be one of the cyclical weather patterns that happen regularly. At least that is what I read earlier this year.
Not to say that global warming is not exacerbating it, but it very may only last a couple more years and then change back to a wetter pattern, like most other droughts that happen all over the globe at times. It's normal to have cyclical weather patterns.
And if he's wrong on this, then how much of the rest of his rant is alarmist and not based on reality?
He is pointing out many obvious truths, but he's also attacking people who don't deserve it. So what if Bernie supports the dem nominee if he doesn't win the primary? Would it really be better for a republican (like Trump or Cruz) to win? No it wouldn't...so it would be a good thing for him to support the dem nominee.
There is just too much in this OP to question to want to rec it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)He included Sanders, and rightly, if Sanders does what he said he'd do...support the nominee for more of the same. I plan to make that unnecessary but voting Sanders into office. We must change...
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)We have stooped believing in the stage play on our TV.
And I know it upsets people to think like that but there is reasons for it.
People become disillusioned after decades of seeing the same game played on them time and time again.
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game
Blus4u
(608 posts)...for the block, Peter."
Peace
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)Good post.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Nah. Couldn't be.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)What part of the paragraph that you posted is untrue? Why don't you give us specific examples of this?
I agree 100% with Hedges. Obama and Hillary are slick, dishonest corporate stooges, and many examples of this have been posted on DU before.
As for Sanders, it reads "if" and not that he is.
pscot
(21,024 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)So many in the hive of Wall St. Diligently laboring day in and day out for the ends of corporations, investing in confidence of its success and, laughably, with many of them then having the gall to act surprised when what they have sowed comes to fruition.
We all have to survive in the most reality, the most democracy, the most justice Wall St investors will allow.
Corporations are now people. 4 legs good, 2 legs better, no legs best.
The most devious, backstabbing, greedy, racist, warmongering, climate destroying, misogynistic, slave owning, democracy hating people one could ever know and that so many line up to serve them speaks volumes about how seriously they hold the sacrifices of those who have suffered, fought and died for democracy.
They trade away the last breaths of soldiers in the field for pennies from corporate heaven.
For them, democracy is just a slogan.
PatrickforO
(14,558 posts)tclambert
(11,084 posts)Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
gordianot
(15,233 posts)There is real peril in 2016.
Until we dismantle the neoliberal order and recover the humanistic tradition that rejects the view that human beings and the Earth are commodities to exploit, our form of industrialized and economic barbarity will collide with the barbarity of those who oppose us. The only choice offered by bourgeois society, as Friedrich Engels knew, is socialism or regression into barbarism. It is time we make this choice.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/the_great_unraveling_20150830
It's time people...they won't go down without a fight but we're fast running out of options in my view. I hate this, I really do.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Many of us know things are going to hell, without huge changes. It's why I will no longer support corporatists as the lessor of two evils.
His only remark about Sanders in this article (not that this is about Sanders, but electorally it is a choice we are faced with) is the following:
He finishes the article with this:
Those of us who seek to create a world that has hope of viability have little time left. The neoliberal order, despoiling the Earth and enslaving the vulnerable, has to be eradicated. This will happen only when we place ourselves in direct opposition to it, when we are willing to engage in the acts of self-sacrifice and sustained revolt that allow us to obstruct and dismantle every aspect of neoliberal machinery. I believe we can do this through nonviolence. But I am not blind to the inevitable rise of counterviolence, caused by the myopia and greed of the neoliberal mandarins. Peace and harmony may not engulf the Earth if we succeed, but if we do not remove the ruling elites from power, if we do not overthrow the neoliberal order, and if we do not do it soon, we are doomed.
So nothing really, just overthrow the neoliberal order. I completely agree with that, by the way.
Our best chance, electorally, to make progress on this is to elect Sanders, not exactly the poster child of neoliberalism. Not a perfect vehicle, he has coexisted with our system for a long time, so some of it he has internalized, but by far the best realistic choice we have, and to some extent genuine vehicle for change.
We need a lot of others like Sanders or even more radicalized to win lower positions in government, I'm hoping the Bernie movement can begin that process, I don't think it's really about Bernie, and it would be a great step if the movement behind him is able to start cranking out candidates for other positions. The U.S. Green party has long shown itself incapable of effectively doing so, sadly, so maybe we need the umbrella of a major party to make it happen.
Apparently Hedges is advocating non-electoral revolution? I'm not sure that's his position but if so, that will go just great. I'm sure the large network of U.S. Marxists and anarchists have everything ready so they can roll out their new utopia when their uprising overthrows the U.S. government. Plug and play.
Seriously, what is his path forward? I agree with his diagnosis, and with the need to end neoliberalism, which as far as I understand it is basically about eliminating regulatory obstacles to corporate interests, to maximize profits in a system that doesn't subtract the externalized consequences of extraction and manufacturing from the corporate bottom line.
It is very dire. Hard to see a path to avoid the coming disasters. An awakening is happening, it is reactive though, and is behind the collapse curve when it needs to precede it.
There are groups like transition.us working to create viable small-scale local alternative systems, and I like (as does Bernie) expanding worker-owned businesses, though even there we need a mechanism that ties the greater interest of society (and more generally the greater interest of the biosphere) into the business model, not just the interest of the company's employees or stockholders.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)a populist movement. Once convinced, I think they will react. They might need to understand that electing Clinton just postpones the inevitable. They need to recognize that many are no longer going to play the corporatist game of lesser of evils, willing to risk the horrors of Bush to get someone truly progressive in the WH.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)There is clearly an interest from people. I don't know exactly if there is infratsructure out there already (there are groups like PDA that are solidly behind Bernie and that put out the word for progressive candidates, maybe we just need to step up and be more active there) or if we need a new identifiable social democratic (Bernie says it the other way around, I believe, democratic socialist) entity that can live within the Democratic Party and run candidates in primaries.
We have a large progressive caucus within the party, but they are ineffective, at least in part because most of its members are captured by the campaign financing system, so they stay in line, so to speak. We have to elect candidates without such funding, and in doing so find a way to label them as clean so the public knows, and hold them accountable once in office (maybe the stick is they can lose their clean status) to build a "brand" (I hate that term) that people can relate to and run under. We also need a mechanism to provide them with a clean source of camaign finances.
It's very encouraging to see that a lot of people do still care, as shown by the response to the Sanders campaign. Hopefully that leads to something larger that isn't built around one candidate.
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jalan48
(13,841 posts)Hedges is simply pointing out the obvious. We're being told either get with the program or else. Look at Greece. The greedy Republicans and their ignorant followers still embrace the system because they believe they might become billionaires too, while the corporate Democrats tell us it's ok, it will all work out in the long run. Obama goes to Alaska to talk climate change while he gives the go-ahead to Shell Oil to drill in the Arctic-no disconnect there. I'm not sure if there is an answer but continuing to believe in the fantasies of Wall St. and the corporate media is definitely not the solution.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)But the majority of people will ignore it.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)kick rec
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)He deserves as much respect as Ron Paul. ie none.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The goal of wholesale surveillance, as Arendt wrote in The Origins of Totalitarianism, is not, in the end, to discover crimes, but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population. And because Americans emails, phone conversations, Web searches and geographical movements are recorded and stored in perpetuity in government databases, there will be more than enough evidence to seize us should the state deem it necessary. This information waits like a deadly virus inside government vaults to be turned against us. It does not matter how trivial or innocent that information is. In totalitarian states, justice, like truth, is irrelevant.
No Chris Hedges and I never would have known Hannah Arendt's important observation. It isn't talked about on tee vee or radio. I don't recall reading it in the newspapers. What's more, withought Hedges, I wouldn't be able to share it with you and DU.
Did you know that quote, muriel_volestrangler?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)and Hedges has for years been attacking the Democrats. He attacks Bernie Sanders in the OP too. No Democrat is acceptable to Hedges.
Fuck him.
Arendt's opinion about surveillance does not save Hedges. It's the kind of thing Ron Paul might repeat too.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Like their illegal and immoral wars for profit, wholesale domestic surveillance started by Bush Crime Family and their chums in the bowels of government is serious business.
I'd add: "Sorry you don't see that." But, you seem uninterested in seeing that.
marmar
(77,053 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Yeah...and the years and years they do it do not do them any justice.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)I'm not sure if you're saying you stand with the Democrats against Hedges, or with him.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...when one's a Democrat, as well as when one's a good citizen.
That's why I stand with him -- as a Democrat, as a journalist, and as a human being. He calls it as he sees it. And Hedges has written some uncomfortable truths for the political leadership, who also just happen to be members of the wealthiest class.
When I think Hedges is wrong I, I'll say so. When he shows me where I'm wrong, I hope to learn. Same holds for others' perspectives, the more the better. That's the democratic way.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)In this years presidential election I will vote for a third-party candidate, either the Green Party candidate or Rocky Anderson, assuming one of them makes it onto the ballot in New Jersey, but voting is nothing more than a brief chance to register our disgust with the corporate state. It will not alter the configurations of power. The campaign is not worth our emotional, physical or intellectual energy.
Our efforts must be directed toward acts of civil disobedience, to chipping away, through nonviolent protest, at the pillars of established, corporate power. The corporate state is so unfair, so corrupt and so rotten that the institutions tasked with holding it upthe police, the press, the banking system, the civil service and the judiciaryhave become vulnerable. It is becoming harder and harder for the corporations to convince its foot soldiers to hold the system in place.
http://exopermaculture.com/2012/01/23/chris-hedges-voting-will-not-alter-the-corporate-systems-of-power-voting-is-an-act-of-political-theater/
I think he might support democracy under a different system, but he despises the Democratic party (and the Republicans), that's clear.
dougolat
(716 posts)He's saying he despises corporate control, and the Democratic party should too.
Corporate influence and control are corrupting, and that's Bernie's point, now, isn't it?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)for running for the Democratic nomination. See #72. Hedges wants the Democratic party gone, in any form. He also wants capitalism gone (and the Democratic party has always been pro-capitalist).
dougolat
(716 posts)...support a corporatist nominee, and thus put the election in the familiar territory of voting for the "lesser of two evils"
And when we're treating wars based on lies as if they were legitimate, and accepting bail-outs of high-finance swindlers as the response to "the great recession", etc, etc, we are dealing with palpable evil.
(despite Hedges' pessimistic overstatement in the other quotes you cite in #72)
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)That's the direct quote. It's not just that he thinks that promising to support the eventual nominee is wrong; it's that he thinks taking part is wrong.
Taking part in a nomination process, and then standing against the winner, would be the move of an arsehole (see: Joe Lieberman, or Donald Trump, still threatening to do so). Obviously, none of us would want Sanders to do that.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Damn straight!
AOR
(692 posts)your attack on Hedges is laughable. The right-wing horseshit posted on this board is what has no place here. When an article is posted - even slightly resembling leftist critique - the defenders of the status quo shed a trail of tears. Your post is a joke.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Not sure why anyone here still takes him seriously.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I don't.
We haven't had a real Democratic Party since the Reagan/Clinton years.
I'm 65....and I've SEEN what a Democratic Party looks like,
and this ain't it.
THIS is:
[font size=1] LBJ signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 with MLK proudly looking over his shoulder.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)He said that if Sanders supports someone else in the party, then he's a 'stooge'.
"He functions as a sheepdog to corral progressives, left-leaning progressives" - he sees progressives in the Democrats as sheep. He hates the Democrats.He's been like that for years: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/do_not_pity_the_democrats_20100913
He thinks he's the second coming of Ralph Nader. But at least Nader did something for safety before his screwed-up politics. Hedges doesn't want to fix anything in the Democratic party. he wants to burn it down.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I'll give Chris the matches and gasoline.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)"I'll split the vote if I don't get nominated" is Trump's line, in the disaster zone that is the Republican nomination. Leave that to them.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I am talking about Citizens v Oligarchy.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Let me know where I can kick in some matches.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)I admit I have not looked into what Hedges has been saying however the group can focus some what on learning how to respond to bullshit attacks as they see and read about them. Do you hang out in the Bernie Sanders group?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)going with the "Bernie is just a sheepdog to herd the gullible progressives for the Democratic hierarchy" claim that Hedges makes, and that your #82 was supporting. If you hadn't looked into what Hedges was saying, what was your 'kitteh' remark meant to say?
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)If it's just his opinion ...fine. I could care less.
If he hurts the kitteh then I have a real problem with him.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)It's not supposed to be the one big kumbaya circle jerk that you apparently think it should be.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)and has said so for years. He says Sanders is wrong to try to get the Democratic nomination.
The Democrats are a party; that means you do join together to work towards common goals. Hedges says, repeatedly, that he has no interest in working with anyone in the Democratic party.
Rex
(65,616 posts)The rich seem unable to control their innate greed and lust for more...it will be this ecosystems (not to meantion modern civilization and humanities) doom.
They know it, many of them have even said it and written articles on it. The need to self-discipline has never been greater and never in more need with Big Biz and Congress.
YES CONGRESS.
Much of the worlds problems are derived from our U.S. Congress and the clown car posse that currently runs it!
AOR
(692 posts)destroying everything that gets in its way. Capitalism and the ruling class don't give a shit who is elected as long as its foundations of institutionalized theft of labor and impoverishment of the many for the profits of the few remain intact. When Hedges was nothing more than a defeatist, disaffected, liberal claiming leftist status he didn't get it at all. He gets it much more now since he's been actually calling out capitalism by name as the problem rather than "corporatism and plutocracy and evil Republicans."
Asking the capitalist ruling class to "control their greed" while the capitalist power structure remains in tact is not clarity or reality.
To paraphrase one from Malcolm..."You put a fox in the chicken coop and are
surprised when it starts to kill the chickens."
Capitalism is the fox and the working class are the chickens. The destruction of the chickens will
continue until the fox is gone. The sooner the believers in capitalism as "the end of history" and the "highest and final achievement of mankind " get that the better off we'll be. Until then it's all band-aids on broken limbs.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)AOR
(692 posts)The working class of today has to find a way to build on that foundation while avoiding some of the more onerous mistakes of the past. Nothing is etched in stone, but you gotta have a foundation. Hope in ruling class electoral politics - as a political solution - is nothing more than a prescription of inaction and defeatism. Marx is a guide for the working class and getting a working class message out there.
Marxs Revenge: How Class Struggle Is Shaping the World
By Michael Schuman
http://business.time.com/2013/03/25/marxs-revenge-how-class-struggle-is-shaping-the-world/
"With workers around the world burdened by joblessness and stagnant incomes, Marxs critique that capitalism is inherently unjust and self-destructive cannot be so easily dismissed"
(Snip)
"Karl Marx was supposed to be dead and buried. With the collapse of the Soviet Union and Chinas Great Leap Forward into capitalism, communism faded into the quaint backdrop of James Bond movies or the deviant mantra of Kim Jong Un. The class conflict that Marx believed determined the course of history seemed to melt away in a prosperous era of free trade and free enterprise. The far-reaching power of globalization, linking the most remote corners of the planet in lucrative bonds of finance, outsourcing and borderless manufacturing, offered everybody from Silicon Valley tech gurus to Chinese farm girls ample opportunities to get rich. Asia in the latter decades of the 20th century witnessed perhaps the most remarkable record of poverty alleviation in human history all thanks to the very capitalist tools of trade, entrepreneurship and foreign investment. Capitalism appeared to be fulfilling its promise to uplift everyone to new heights of wealth and welfare."
(Snip)
"Or so we thought. With the global economy in a protracted crisis, and workers around the world burdened by joblessness, debt and stagnant incomes, Marxs biting critique of capitalism that the system is inherently unjust and self-destructive cannot be so easily dismissed. Marx theorized that the capitalist system would inevitably impoverish the masses as the worlds wealth became concentrated in the hands of a greedy few, causing economic crises and heightened conflict between the rich and working classes. Accumulation of wealth at one pole is at the same time accumulation of misery, agony of toil, slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation, at the opposite pole, Marx wrote."
(Snip)
"Thats not to say Marx was entirely correct. His dictatorship of the proletariat didnt quite work out as planned. But the consequence of this widening inequality is just what Marx had predicted: class struggle is back. Workers of the world are growing angrier and demanding their fair share of the global economy. From the floor of the U.S. Congress to the streets of Athens to the assembly lines of southern China, political and economic events are being shaped by escalating tensions between capital and labor to a degree unseen since the communist revolutions of the 20th century. How this struggle plays out will influence the direction of global economic policy, the future of the welfare state, political stability in China, and who governs from Washington to Rome. What would Marx say today? Some variation of: I told you so, says Richard Wolff, a Marxist economist at the New School in New York. The income gap is producing a level of tension that I have not seen in my lifetime.
"Tensions between economic classes in the U.S. are clearly on the rise. Society has been perceived as split between the 99% (the regular folk, struggling to get by) and the 1% (the connected and privileged superrich getting richer every day). In a Pew Research Center poll released last year, two-thirds of the respondents believed the U.S. suffered from strong or very strong conflict between rich and poor, a significant 19-percentage-point increase from 2009, ranking it as the No. 1 division in society."
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That leaves open a scary possibility: that Marx not only diagnosed capitalisms flaws but also the outcome of those flaws. If policymakers dont discover new methods of ensuring fair economic opportunity, the workers of the world may just unite. Marx may yet have his revenge."
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)At some point that was not enough.
At some point The RICH not only got richer, they grew obscenely richer beyond their wildest money-shot dreams! And rather than just a handful of The RICH peers and brethren to hang around with and guzzle overpriced perfumed alcohol on overpriced perfumed bedrooms on water, there ended up being quite a few obscenely rich folks in America and around the world. And rich folks being rich folks, so it seems they all got bored at the same time of what obscene amounts of money could buy and turned so in unions turned their bored and rapidly aging rheumatic eyes to other things to purchase and play with.
And not just purchasing some banana Republic - so "been there, done that!" - purchasing America!
Yes, that America!
Costly of course and there being no way of buying the entire American government (Gernada, by example, was had for single figure millions).......unless somehow ........somehow......all corporate and private money given to politicians could be made unlimited and preferably non-disclosavle, and all those anti-corruption laws against co-ordination between donor and politician were somehow annulled or muted.
Other issues and barriers aside, billionaires forged with commissioned studies, just out of bored billionaire curiosity, of the financial end of the equation, which studies arrived at a consensus that the price of purchasing the entire American government would be tens of billions of dollars over 10 years, with 2 to 4 billion in the final year instalment of the purchasing plan for America. A lot of money, a lot of time, not to mention judicial and media interference would be impossible to overcome.
Never going to happen.
And so it came to be The RICH just gave up that impossible pipe dream of purchasing the American media and the courts and the politicians and all made possible first by all the election finance laws being made to their liking, am I right?
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)He's right on about everything. That's the reason we so desperately need Bernie Sanders, and his grass roots revolution.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,265 posts)Hedges despises Sanders:
He won't run as an independent. He's already cut a deal with the Democratic party and won't get into the debates unless he supports Hillary. By April, it's dead. And all that energy and all of that money goes back into the Democratic party. He functions as a sheepdog to corral progressives, left-leaning progressives, back into the embrace of the Democratic establishment.
http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/06/06/22341657/a-hasty-interview-with-journalist-chris-hedges
http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/archive/segment/5592dc51fe3444b1450001b9
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The voices of those who matter will not be heard in these elections. The marginalized and poor in our internal colonies, the 2.3 million people in our prisons and their families, the Muslims we persecute here and in the Middle East, and the suffering of the working poor are airbrushed out of the discussion. In this Potemkin America there is only a middle class. Our liberties, including our right to privacy, along with the consent of the governedall of which have been taken from usare held up in this electioneering farce as sacred and inviolate. We are assured that we live in a functioning democracy. We are promised that our voice will count. And even Sanders will tell you no different. If he stepped forward and spoke the truth, especially about the Democratic Party, he would be banned from the debates, vilified and crushed by the Democratic establishment, stripped of his Senate committee chairmanships and tossed into the political wilderness to which Ralph Nader has been exiled. Sanders, unfortunately, lacks Naders moral fortitude. He will, when it is all done, push his followers into the vampire-like embrace of Hillary Clinton. He is a Pied Piper leading a line of children or ratstake your pickinto political oblivion.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_electoral_farce_20150616
I doubt that Sanders would agree with Hedges that "we in the United States are not morally superior to Islamic State", though you apparently do. Hedges is telling you to have nothing to do with the Democrats. Do you really see that as 'right on about everything'?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)I stopped reading after the second paragraph about Sanders also being a traitor to something something if he votes for Clinton in the end.... and already knew it would be a waste of energy, but I thank you for that.
AOR
(692 posts)Hedges is an anti-capitalist. Sanders is not. It is that simple. Hence... the luke-warm support of Sanders among leftists and anti-capitalists. That doesn't mean that many of the things Sanders is talking about are not some of the things that would be part of any leftist platform. It also means that Sanders is far from above critique on other things.
The overriding responsibility of anti-capitalists (Leftists) is to unyielding critique the mechanisms of capitalism and everything that goes with it (economic, political, and social) including elections in a capitalist power structure. Regardless of who is nominated and elected in the 2016 election... the capitalist power structure will remain the same and the responsibility of leftists will remain the same. Leftists are not going to be silenced Fred. The "red-scare" is over nobody is gonna steal your goat.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)the Democratic Party, after all. There are lessons to be learned from failure as well as success.
How would Marx and Engles today, given the lessons learned in the 200 odd years since their deaths, revolutionize American society? Would they choose the Norway model, the French model, the emergent Canadian model, none of the above, or give the United Socialst States of Russia another try, ban personal ownership of land and business, perhaps with some mods?
Remember what happened to Captain Kirk when he lost his ID? The Democratic Party is not here to demand your silence. Voices saying "Neo- liberalism is just like the Nazis", as example; those voices you hear saying these things are liars - the Party is here to demand your solutions, not your silence!
Shout away!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Marx: 5 May 1818 14 March 1883
Engels: 28 November 1820 5 August 1895
And let me point out that the USSR was far more a reflection of Lenin's ideology - which largely turned Marx on his head - than Marx's. Marx would have guffawed at the notion that socially and economically backwards Tsarist Russia was a place ripe for a Marxist revolution.
And Marx's critique of capitalism is as accurate as it ever was, including the concept of the theft of surplus value from working people. The failures of Marx lay in his prescriptions, not his descriptions.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)has stopped sharing the surplus. A rebalancing is in order....how to do that through existing structures or are existing structures the problem and make that impossible?
Some are structural and the strutures have to be torn down and rebuilt on existing models....but the whole damn socio-economic-political system, as well, is where I diverge.
Is this the revolutionary moment? Are things so bad in America, economically and socially, that revolution is imperative?
Because at least economically, overall things are not that bad....the media narrative otherwise is mainly driven by the whiners in Big Fossils and is just that.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)47% of Binghamton children living in poverty
Concentrated poverty spikes in metro Detroit
U.S. Students Living Below Federal Poverty Line Up By 18% Since 2006, Study Shows
The rise and spread of poverty in U.S. cities, in darkly beautiful maps
More than Forty Percent of American Children Are Living in Poverty
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)the current economic times are among the best ever.
I also do not buy into the "sky is falling" panic each time there is a negative monthly statistic or into individual stories...the economy overall is doing very well, the media is again to blame for so many folks thinking otherwise.
AOR
(692 posts)all leftists can do is deliver a message and organize and agitate for leftist demands. You can't force class consciousness if it's not there. One can't do the bidding of the ruling class and claim to be for the exploited at the same time. Political movements of any variety take time to form. It doesn't happen overnight but what's real and what isn't matters. Who stands with labor and the struggling in all things and who stands with capital is where the line is drawn.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)else for success, bloody or otherwise....a broken economy.
I do not see a broken economy anywhere on the horizon, not when experts guiding Fed policy are warning of inflation and higher interest rates, etc., 5.3% unemployment, a shrinking federal deficit and near zero borrowing costs....there are few economic signs of economic retraction, let alone imminent collapse and bodies in the streets.
Fear of "others" alone and xenophobia by the usual suspect is not enough for revolution, for the right or the left.
So for me it is evolution, not revolution.
Not yet. Not in America and not until the fascist's last stand underway is completely exterminated, which is where the focus of all this new found Democratic Party energy - I do credit Sanders for most of that - should be .
AOR
(692 posts)the economy is ALWAYS broken for those left behind due to capitalist social relations. Capitalism does not elevate the majority it increasingly impoverishes the majority. I'm not sure how many realize how bad 2008 was for so many. When capitalist crisis of over-production rears it's head more and more workers become impoverished and destroyed. 50% of Americans earn less that $ 27,000 a year, while close to 40% of Americans have zero retirement savings and 1 out of every 7 Americans over 65 lives in poverty. Add in child poverty and homelessness and that doesn't even begin to tell the story. Throw in the devastation caused by capitalism and war and all its tentacles around the globe and the picture of abject poverty and destruction is even bleaker. The tipping point is getting close.
You are right that the choice will be Socialism of some form or outright Fascism going forward. The tipping point is getting close. Historically, Capitalism goes hand in hand with Fascism when conditions caused by Capitalism deteriorate. That said, the capitalists don't really need Fascism to expropriate from the workers and redistribute upwards, but if conditions caused by capitalist social arrangements deteriorate enough, and desperation sets in, the capitalists will use all means available and make much appeal to every element of Fascist and Neo-Fascist ideology to keep control.
As far as revolution goes... as I told someone else...when people say that all leftists are automatically calling for violent revolution to enact wholesale change... that is not the case. Leftists are calling for self-defense and outright resistance against the violence of capitalist social relations that are raining down on the heads of the oppressed and exploited daily and have been for ages. We can't determine outcomes - on the ground fighting against the system - and most don't promote such means to an end.We do promote outright resistance and self-defense against the capitalist system. Possibilities lie between mere reforms and violent revolution. A political movement taking demands to the street in mass and not stopping until demands are met is always a possibility. If the working class, the oppressed, the exploited, and those demanding change cross their arms and refuse to bend or uncross them until demands are met... the capitalist system and the ruling class are in very big trouble. Power really does concede NOTHING without demands and resistance.
"When all the bricklayers, and all the machinists, and all the miners, and blacksmiths, and printers, and hod-carriers, and stevedores, and house-painters, and brakemen, and engineers, and conductors, and factory hands, and horse-car drivers, and all the shop-girls, and all the sewing-women, and all the telegraph operators; in a word all the myriads of toilers in whom is slumbering the reality of that thing which you call power ... when these rise,call the vast spectacle by any deluding name that will please your ear, but the fact remains a Nation has risen."
Mark Twain
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)i will still vote for Bernie Sanders.
Kablooie
(18,609 posts)Or even more momentous, are we witnessing the fall of human society?
Could we have lived through the absolute pinnacle of human accomplishments and from now on will experience only decline?
There have been many dystopian books and movies about the end of human civilization but none of them predicted what we are going through now.
Could dystopia really be starting?
pampango
(24,692 posts)when isolationist republicans ran things.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/01/recent-history-in-one-chart/
The bottom 75% of global workers have benefitted over the last 25 years. The 80-95 percentiles (us for the most part) have stagnated at best. The 1% (particularly the top 0.1%) has benefitted immensely.
In light of the fact that the bottom 75% have benefitted greatly, global wealth is distributed more fairly today than it ever has been. Now we have to figure out how to tame our 1% and spread that wealth to the Western middle class. Hint: FDR did it long ago and many progressive countries, e.g. Sweden, Germany, do it today.