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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 09:51 AM Aug 2015

Inside the Most Expensive Nuclear Bomb Ever Made


A flight test body for a B61-12 nuclear weapon



Engineers at the United States' nuclear weapons lab in Albuquerque, New Mexico, have spent the past few years designing and testing the B61-12, a high-tech addition to our nation's atomic arsenal. Unlike the free-fall gravity bombs it will replace, the B61-12 is a guided nuclear bomb. A new tail kit assembly, made by Boeing, enables the bomb to hit targets far more precisely than its predecessors.


Using "Dial-a-yield" technology, the bomb's explosive force can be adjusted before launch from a high of 50,000 tons of TNT equivalent to a low of 300 tons—that's 98 percent smaller than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima 70 years ago.

Despite these innovations, the government doesn't consider the B61-12 to be a new weapon but simply an upgrade. In the past, Congress has rejected funding for similar weapons, reasoning that more accurate, less powerful bombs were more likely to be used. In 2010, the Obama administration announced that it would not make any nuclear weapons with new capabilities. The White House and Pentagon insist that the B61-12 won't violate that pledge.

The B61-12 could be deployed by the new generation of F-35 fighter jets, a prospect that worries Hans Kristensen, a nuclear weapons expert at the Federation of American Scientists. "If the Russians put out a guided nuclear bomb on a stealthy fighter that could sneak through air defenses, would that add to the perception here that they were lowering the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons?" he asks. "Absolutely."

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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/nuclear-weapon-obama-most-expensive-ever
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Inside the Most Expensive Nuclear Bomb Ever Made (Original Post) n2doc Aug 2015 OP
Target MosheFeingold Aug 2015 #1
''Dial-a-Yield'' Octafish Aug 2015 #2
Dial-a-Yield is from the 1980s. These bombs already had it. jeff47 Aug 2015 #15
Dial-a-Yield is even older then that Brother Buzz Aug 2015 #23
Here's what I'd like for home defense... Octafish Aug 2015 #28
The Davey Crocket MosheFeingold Aug 2015 #29
Less bang for the buck, as toxic as ever. Perfect companion weapon for the F-35. hunter Aug 2015 #17
American Fizzbin Octafish Aug 2015 #27
I've always though accuracy on a nuke seemed like a waste Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #3
It does if you are trying to hit a ventilation shaft to a mine n2doc Aug 2015 #5
America is the world's most compassionate manufacturer of tens of thousands of nuclear bombs, for sure. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #21
for something like this, yes... Javaman Aug 2015 #26
Wonder if potential President Trump knows the keys to the WH include the keys to this baby..and many more? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #4
I'm sure any one elected will be told of this 'wonderful' new weapon n2doc Aug 2015 #7
Where will the folks run and hide from a medium yield nuclear weapon: Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #8
300 tons equivalent n2doc Aug 2015 #9
This new monstrosity is a tactical battlefield weapon, not the super bombs on ICBM's and bomber aircraft? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #10
Well, at it's high end, 50 Kt is not a tactical weapon. That's triple the Hiroshima bomb. stevenleser Aug 2015 #16
Umm... Aren't there already conventional bombs equivalent to the low end of the dial? hedda_foil Aug 2015 #12
Largest conventional bombs top out at 10-15 tons n2doc Aug 2015 #13
Thanks, Doc. hedda_foil Aug 2015 #14
Multiply by 10,000 for megaton (MT) nuclear bombs. For kilotons (KT) multiply by just 1000. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #18
??? Mega means million, that is 1,000,000 times ... ??? nt eppur_se_muova Aug 2015 #31
Yep. The Russian Tsar bomb is a massive 50,000,000 tons of TNT! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #32
It's the Ronco Dial-A-Yield! tabasco Aug 2015 #6
Aw, it's so cute. progressoid Aug 2015 #11
All shiny and new and helpfully scaleable from tens of thousands of tons to only 300 tons of TNT equivalent! Because it cares..... Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #20
No riding!!! Initech Aug 2015 #19
Just what the world needs. . . . . . . B Calm Aug 2015 #22
Beg the comparison packman Aug 2015 #24
The plutonium production reactors and refineries at Hanford were built huge from the very start. hunter Aug 2015 #30
...and people are worried about guns. L0oniX Aug 2015 #25

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
1. Target
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 10:09 AM
Aug 2015

Is N. Korea and Iran who both have massive deep structures not easily penetrated by conventional means and able air-defense.

Good idea? Easily debatable.

Information being released now to assuage persons worried about both nuclear programs.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
2. ''Dial-a-Yield''
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 10:14 AM
Aug 2015

Upgrade fits right on the trillion dollar F-35. Nice to know that money trumps peace really means welfare for the warmonger class.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
15. Dial-a-Yield is from the 1980s. These bombs already had it.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 11:16 AM
Aug 2015

It's an old boondoggle instead of a new boondoggle.

Brother Buzz

(36,389 posts)
23. Dial-a-Yield is even older then that
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 12:00 PM
Aug 2015

It was developed in the late fifties and deployed in the early 1960s.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
28. Here's what I'd like for home defense...
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 01:55 PM
Aug 2015

Then I found out only drunken Facebook friends of Dick Cheney who are members of Carlyle Group are eligible:



What the Top 1-Percent Has Done For Us

PS: Great to read ya, jeff47! Thank Trump, Democracy has a real chance.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
29. The Davey Crocket
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 02:26 PM
Aug 2015

That was an anti-tank weapon, of course.

But you are right on the money, as for comparisons. This is a "tactical" nuke like the Davey Crocket, as opposed to city-destroyer like the "strategic" weapons are. The USA really hasn't had a lot of tactical special weapons.

The scary thing about a tactical nuke is it is (in certain circles) much easier to justify their use, militarily, in that they are much smaller and much more precise.

hunter

(38,304 posts)
17. Less bang for the buck, as toxic as ever. Perfect companion weapon for the F-35.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 11:24 AM
Aug 2015

Maybe the next step is bombs that don't explode and airplanes that don't fly. Our politicians could simply vote to give tax dollars to the war industry for imaginary weapons systems, demanding a certain % be returned as campaign contributions.

Everyone on earth might be better off if there were no usable weapons.

Unfortunately the next step is probably like that Star Trek episode...

The landing party soon discovers that the war is entirely simulated by computers, which launch wargame attacks and counterattacks, then calculate damage and select the dead. Citizens reported as "killed" must submit themselves for termination, stepping inside a disintegration booth. Anan 7 informs Kirk that the simulated attacks and following executions is the agreed system of war decided by both sides in a treaty with Vendikar. A conventional war was deemed too destructive to the environments and societies of both planets.

According to the Eminians, the computers calculated the Enterprise was destroyed by a tri-cobalt satellite during the last attack, and the entire ship's crew must be terminated within 24 hours. Although the landing team is exempted from execution, they are arrested and held hostage until all Enterprise crew members report to the planet for execution. Mea 3 has also been reported as a casualty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon


Of course the billionaire class and their lackey politicians would all live in actual pleasure palaces, yachts, and privately owned airliners protected by imaginary impenetrable force fields.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
27. American Fizzbin
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 01:52 PM
Aug 2015

That show communicated so much more than Wagon Train to the Stars it's ridiculous.



On Tuesday.

Great to read ya, hunter! Have you gone ashore at Memory Alpha?

PS: About those lifeboats, see Mr. Carlucci. Tell them "Carlyle" sent you.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
3. I've always though accuracy on a nuke seemed like a waste
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 10:17 AM
Aug 2015

Does it really matter if you miss your target by 1,000 feet?

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
5. It does if you are trying to hit a ventilation shaft to a mine
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 10:23 AM
Aug 2015

And this particular nuke can be 'dialed down' to produce a relatively small blast. We aren't talking Tsar Bomba levels here. Makes nuclear warfare almost...civilized....almost....

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
21. America is the world's most compassionate manufacturer of tens of thousands of nuclear bombs, for sure.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 11:36 AM
Aug 2015

And the quality of workmanship in paint jobs for these babies, as they preen in front of their adoring fans for a publicly shoot, is without parallel.

America does make exceptionally pretty weapons of mass destruction.

Look at this laughably ugly piece of shit the Russians make:


Javaman

(62,504 posts)
26. for something like this, yes...
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 12:39 PM
Aug 2015

I'm currently reading the newish book by Eric Schlosser "Command and Control" about the U.S.'s nuclear missile command.

this thing above is basically a tactical bunker buster.

that's the only reason they would want that kind of accuracy because of it's low yield.

If it were an air burst weapon, then yes, you could be off by a 1000 yards but this one appears to be specifically designed for ground detonation. If this were allowed to detonate in the air, and 1000 feet off it's target, it would have little to no effect considering the size of it's armament.

"98% smaller than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima"

However, on the other hand, considering that the amount of fissionable material that actually went super critical (less than 2 percent of the uranium) in the Hiroshima bomb to create that explosion, and I'm sure that it's been modified to perform better, from a science point of view, I wonder what the yield would be for this weapon as to the maximization of the fission process.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Wonder if potential President Trump knows the keys to the WH include the keys to this baby..and many more?
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 10:21 AM
Aug 2015

Nuclear weapons are an abomination, a stain in humanity, as stated by both the Pope, the Supreme Leader of Iran, a few others of note, and me.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
7. I'm sure any one elected will be told of this 'wonderful' new weapon
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 10:26 AM
Aug 2015

How 'clean, surgical' it is. So little fallout involved it is almost negligible! Perfect for use on everyone's least favorite middle eastern country!

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
9. 300 tons equivalent
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 10:36 AM
Aug 2015

Using "Dial-a-yield" technology, the bomb's explosive force can be adjusted before launch from a high of 50,000 tons of TNT equivalent to a low of 300 tons—that's 98 percent smaller than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima 70 years ago.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
10. This new monstrosity is a tactical battlefield weapon, not the super bombs on ICBM's and bomber aircraft?
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 10:40 AM
Aug 2015

"Dial A Death" is the latest technology...how impressive.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
16. Well, at it's high end, 50 Kt is not a tactical weapon. That's triple the Hiroshima bomb.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 11:23 AM
Aug 2015

You're still wiping out a city at 50Kt.

hedda_foil

(16,371 posts)
12. Umm... Aren't there already conventional bombs equivalent to the low end of the dial?
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 10:50 AM
Aug 2015

Remember the Bunker Busters? Seems to me that the only reason for the dial a crater model would be to leave a nice cone of radiation. But I'm no nuclear physicist.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
13. Largest conventional bombs top out at 10-15 tons
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 10:55 AM
Aug 2015
http://www.answers.com/Q/Biggest_conventional_bomb_in_the_world

I'm not saying this a a good thing. I think it is a very dangerous thing, another tempting toy in the hands of the military.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
32. Yep. The Russian Tsar bomb is a massive 50,000,000 tons of TNT!
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 04:40 PM
Aug 2015

No to worry though, the average nuclear bomb is only 400,000 tons of TNT.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
20. All shiny and new and helpfully scaleable from tens of thousands of tons to only 300 tons of TNT equivalent! Because it cares.....
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 11:31 AM
Aug 2015
 

packman

(16,296 posts)
24. Beg the comparison
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 12:10 PM
Aug 2015

may NOT be the most expensive - the first A-bombs were quite expensive for the times.

hunter

(38,304 posts)
30. The plutonium production reactors and refineries at Hanford were built huge from the very start.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 02:51 PM
Aug 2015

The plutonium from old obsolete bombs is recycled to make new bombs. A proper accounting is difficult.

The Manhattan Project itself took two paths -- uranium enrichment and plutonium production. The physicists knew with a great deal of certainty the U-235 bomb would work, but these uranium bombs were extremely expensive and also extremely dangerous, the sorts of things that could go off in an airplane crash or other accident.

Plutonium bombs were less expensive, and the chances for an accidental nuclear explosion almost nil.

The uranium enrichment facilities did, however, prove to be very useful in making highly "enriched" fuel for many sorts of nuclear reactor designs, especially reactors for nuclear powered ships and submarines.

Of course in post World War II U.S.A. terms like inexpensive and expensive in military spending lose all meaning; it's just a big black hole trillions of dollars have been shoveled into, without any proper accounting. What's the U.S.S. George H.W. Bush worth? It cost billions to build it, it will cost billions to run it, and it will cost billions to decommission it. For what?


 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
25. ...and people are worried about guns.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 12:15 PM
Aug 2015

The MIC is just itching for our military to have a controlled nuke event. Fucking Dr. Strangelove fucktwits! We already have enough nukes to destroy the world many times but hey military people just gotta have that next best bomb or jet.

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