Has Anyone Compared The Act Rounding Up All 'Illegal' Immigrants And Deporting Them To.....

[global1]

taking away the guns of Americans?

Gun owners react adversely to any discussion of gun control and always say that the Feds want to take away their guns. What these gun owners do is dig in more, buy more guns and say that if anyone comes to take away their guns - they'll fight them.

How do they think - what Trump calls - 'illegal immigrants' feel when they are threatened with being rounded up and deported.

Is there any empathy between gun owners and so-called illegal immigrants because of the irrationality of these two things?

[Rex]

1. RUH ROH!

I think you just found the lynch pin. IF Rump can round up 'illegals' what is the slippery slope to 'illegals' meaning gun owners? No no no...that would never enter their minds. Too roided up on guns and bullets to see that.

Good one!

[global1]

10. Where I Was Going With My OP Is A Reaction To Hillary's Comments .....

Trump & the Repugs wanting to round up the undocumented (a better term than illegal) immigrants where she says the following:

"I find it the height of irony that a party which espouses small government would want to unleash a massive government effort, which might include national guard and others, to go and literally pull people out of their homes and their workplaces, round them up and, I don't know, put them in buses or boxcars, in order to take them across the border. I find that absurd but appalling. And that's why I support comprehensive immigration reform."

Many of the gun owners that would support such a round-up of undocumented immigrants would revolt if the same thing was proposed to do the same to them and take away their guns. (i.e., a massive government effort, which might include national guard and others, to go and literally pull guns out of homes and workplaces......

That's kind of where I was going with my OP. One would think that gun owners would be empathetic with undocumented immigrants because of the similarities.

Instead I think we're seeing - we'll let it happen to them (immigrants) but don't let it happen to me (gun owner).

Does that make any sense - or am I stretching things?

[Rex]

14. No I think you are on to something.

No I don't think that is a stretch at all! They would NEVER be betrayed by their own leaders (even thought you and I know they get betrayed daily) so it is OK for one group to be treated like chattle...but not for THEIR group. The thought wouldn't even occur to them.

Both groups are oppressed and taken advantage of, should be the way the GOP mind works. I think the huge disconnect is because of racism and lack of empathy overall. I also believe that is a standard trait of the GOP and one that does keep them from sympathizing with other groups. It seems strange to progressive that a person could live without empathy of some kind. However that is the GOP prime trait imo.

I would say white gun owners (that are scared of Obama grabbing their toys)as a collective, are more like xenophobic societies than anything else.

[NutmegYankee]

16. I own guns and clearly oppose such a round up.

I myself support a complete amnesty. I once was pretty opposed to many gun laws, but I've shifted away from that position over the years. I'm now adamant that a permit to purchase with full background check, an interview to detect unlawful intent, and a safety class should be a requirement in every state. Sure, provide an appeals process for rejections, but such a system of laws would have denied the last several mass shooters their gun while allowing normal citizens a right to buy and own in accordance with the Constitution.

[Rex]

18. Plus we are actually talking about a certain type of gun owner not found on DU.

The "Obama is coming for my guns" crowd is anything but rational. SO it makes sense they would never come to realize they could be next!

[HassleCat]

2. Probably not

Where I live, many of them think Obama is importing illegal Mexicans and allowing them to vote, probably several times each, for socialist Democrats who want to confiscate their guns. Not much common ground there.

[randys1]

9. You aren't actually kidding either, which is why we are in such a terrible state.

There are millions of idiot teapartiers who actually believe that.

[Facility Inspector]

3. Trump's "Final Solution" to the immigration question

these are very scary times. It's open season on Latinos.

It's funny how undocumented Poles, Irish, Russians, Eastern Europeans aren't grafted into the hate discourse surrounding this.

[NutmegYankee]

5. This would clearly require massive profiling.

There are 55 million Hispanics in the USA, most citizens. To conduct a round-up would require all to be subjected to massive profiling and ID Checks (Your papers please) anytime they were out in public.

[Facility Inspector]

8. The problem is that not all hispanics, latinos, chicanos,

puerto ricans, mexican-americans, etc are foreign nationals. My grandfather was illegally deported to Mexico in the 1950s (Born in US).

He was a WW2 vet.

[NutmegYankee]

13. I know, I said most are Citizens

Many Hispanic families have been here for longer than many white families, having lived in territory annexed after the Mexican-American war.

[NutmegYankee]

4. If anything, it's compared to the first actions of the Nazi Regime.

Down-right scary that a large percentage of people are completely OK with Trump's message.

[sarisataka]

7. Fascism needs a scapegoat

To blame society's problems on. They need to be a large enough group to make the fiction plausible but marginalized enough so they can't protect themselves.

Germany had Jews; we have "illegal immigrants"

[NutmegYankee]

12. Exactly!

[world wide wally]

6. By the way, does anybody have a recent tally of how many guns Obama has

confiscated through the Jade Helm mission?

[randys1]

11. Jade Helm, hell, since president he has confiscated 2,567,980 guns...

But all of them look like this


oops...never mind, i was gonna put up a cartoon pic of a gun but i ended up with a download of something and that might have been unsafe

He has confiscated NO guns, AT ALL

[clarice]

32. Nor is it his job to do so. nt

[arcane1]

15. The rounding up of immigrants is just a training exercise for taking away our guns!!!1

Run!!!!

[SheilaT]

19. No. Not a valid comparison.

Unless you see every single thing as a "slippery slope".

However, you might possibly want to compare rounding up illegal immigrants to the rounding up of Jews and other undesirables by the Nazis, although deportation is not very much like death camps.

I rather suspect that gun owners feel empathy toward illegal immigrants if and only if they are already the sort of person who would feel such compassion. Some gun owners would, others wouldn't.

[notoneofthesefools]

20. legal vs illegal

Who doesn't understand the difference between those two words?

[ColesCountyDem]

22. I'm wondering the same thing. n/t

[ColesCountyDem]

24. Has to be guns, because immigration is either 'documented' or 'undocumented'. n/t

[ColesCountyDem]

28. Or lawyers.

[uppityperson]

26. If you are not one of "these" fools....

[johnp3907]

31. One of "those" fools obviously.

[WDIM]

27. I compare it to the Nazis rounding up the Jews

Pure Gestapo tactics being proposed by Trump.

[arcane1]

29. Or 11 million Elian Gonzales's n/t

[WDIM]

30. Plus Trump is going to round up all "gang members"

Pretty scary stuff he is saying.

[clarice]

35. Ho DARE you make that comparison....SHAME on you. nt

[WDIM]

36. Shame on Trump

He is the one declaring war on a people based on their ethnicity the xenophobia being pushed by Trump is the same type of propaganda used by Hitler.

[clarice]

37. Sorry, you are completely clueless and wayyyy out of bounds. nt

[WDIM]

38. Go ahead and be an appologist for a fascist.

Surprised anybody on DU would be defending him and statements he has made about our neighbors to the south. And the hard working men and women that are struggling to make a life for themselves just as our ancestors did.

[clarice]

39. I'm not defending him ....but for you to try to compare his intentions....

to what the Nazis did !!!!!??????? There are no words to describe how repugnant that is.... You are dismissed AND
on ignore. You are an example of everything that is wrong in our culture. DO NOT bother responding, out.

[WDIM]

40. Rounding up people based on their ethnicity

Is exactly what Hitler did. He is talking about invading millions of peoples homes dragging them out and doing who knows what to them. Glad you put me on ignore I dont need to hear the opinion of ducks like you.

[cherokeeprogressive]

33. Both are idiotic ideas.

[SummerSnow]

34. I see the future..