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Generic Other

(28,979 posts) Mon May 21, 2012, 06:55 PM May 2012

Orlando Sentinel: Sanford PD prepare down-to-the second George Zimmerman timeline

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Orlando Sentinel: Sanford PD prepare down-to-the second George Zimmerman timeline (Original Post) Generic Other May 2012 OP

Thank you for posting this. n/t EFerrari May 2012 #1

I needed something to help me refute the Zimmerman was a "victim" crowd Generic Other May 2012 #5

Did I miss something? qanda May 2012 #2

One witness has now re-canted that Quixote1818 May 2012 #4

An FBI expert found crucial evidence in the Trayvon Martin case was inconclusive Generic Other May 2012 #6

Notice they say Zimmerman is heard screaming for help, and not Trayvon. nt LaydeeBug May 2012 #3

yeah! grasswire May 2012 #7

Sanford PD disagrees with Angela Corey re who is heard screaming? nenagh May 2012 #8

Did I ever notice malaise May 2012 #15

their timeline seems incomplete and wrong hfojvt May 2012 #9

Bookmarking to read and digest later... Fawke Em May 2012 #10

I keep wondering about the 'guy in white on top' statement catchnrelease May 2012 #11

Zimmerman had a grayish shirt underneath the red jacket. young but wise May 2012 #13

Rashoman. pepperbear May 2012 #12

Cops never lie. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #14

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)

1. Thank you for posting this. n/t

Reply to Generic Other (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:01 PM

May 2012

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)

5. I needed something to help me refute the Zimmerman was a "victim" crowd

Reply to EFerrari (Reply #1)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:14 PM

May 2012

Primary sources. All in one place. The way a jury will look at them.

Not a bunch of internet "experts" for the defense.

qanda

(10,422 posts)

2. Did I miss something?

Reply to Generic Other (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:03 PM

May 2012

When did the evidence come out that it was Zimmerman screaming for help?

Quixote1818

(28,928 posts)

4. One witness has now re-canted that

Reply to qanda (Reply #2)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:08 PM

May 2012

He or she now says they don't know if it was the person on top or the bottom that was screaming for help. I think there was only one or two that said "The person on the bottom" was screaming for help. However, everyone that saw Trayvon on top then went inside and locked their doors and called 911 and didn't see if Zimmerman got the upper hand when the shots were fired. Most witnesses seem to think the cries for help at the end were from a "young boy".

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)

6. An FBI expert found crucial evidence in the Trayvon Martin case was inconclusive

Reply to qanda (Reply #2)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:19 PM

May 2012

ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - An FBI expert found crucial evidence in the Trayvon Martin case was inconclusive, saying it was impossible to tell if the voice screaming for help belonged to the black Florida teenager or his shooter George Zimmerman just before the neighborhood watch captain pulled the trigger....

http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-had-traces-marijuana-system-002214340.html

So yours is a good question.

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)

3. Notice they say Zimmerman is heard screaming for help, and not Trayvon. nt

Reply to Generic Other (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:04 PM

May 2012

grasswire

(50,130 posts)

7. yeah!

Reply to LaydeeBug (Reply #3)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:21 PM

May 2012

what's that about?

who signed this report, and when?

nenagh

(1,925 posts)

8. Sanford PD disagrees with Angela Corey re who is heard screaming?

Reply to LaydeeBug (Reply #3)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:52 PM

May 2012

Admittedly, when A. Corey stated that Trayvon's mother recognized Trayvon screaming...

I had hoped FBI forensic examination concluded the screams were from Tayvon ...

Well there goes the jury pool...

malaise

(268,904 posts)

15. Did I ever notice

Reply to LaydeeBug (Reply #3)

Mon May 21, 2012, 09:51 PM

May 2012

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)

9. their timeline seems incomplete and wrong

Reply to Generic Other (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 08:27 PM

May 2012

either that of 1913:36 was one of the world's longest seconds

on the Sentinel audio, I count 1.54 for the first question "are you following him" and 1:56 for the reply "yeah" and 1;57 for the response "okay, we don't need you to do that".

Also, I fast-forwarded through the audio to get to the relevant part, but the audio seems to have been edited, as I can remember other things being said when I listened to other audios.

Plus, I thought there were several 911 calls, and was someone really screaming for help for 37 seconds?

Witness 16, although clearly biased against Zimmerman, makes a rather damning point (if true) that various people saw a struggle a couple houses away and then that Trayvon ended up in, or near, their yard. But that could be detailed on a map, where the various 911 callers live, and what they claim they saw. Witness 16 also references the stories of other witnesses, which seems kinda odd as statements should be taken independently. So how does she know what other people said? That witness also apparently did not hear the screams of "help, help" which were audible on one of the other 911 calls.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)

10. Bookmarking to read and digest later...

Reply to Generic Other (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 08:29 PM

May 2012

after the kids are abed.

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)

11. I keep wondering about the 'guy in white on top' statement

Reply to Generic Other (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 09:26 PM

May 2012

Especially since the video of Trayvon in the 7-11 has come out. Clearly he is wearing a dark sweatshirt, no way it could be considered anything close to white. Zimmerman was wearing the red/black jacket thing. Did he have a white shirt underneath the jacket that might have been showing during a fight? Or is this caller just that bad at describing what she saw? Especially since it was at night, you would think a white shirt would show up so much it would make a definite impression on you. This does not prove anything either way, but it has made me wonder where the 'white shirt' came from, since neither of the people involved was wearing white or a light color.