Let us not forget what the Contempt Ruling in Kentucky Really means.

[LostOne4Ever]

Last edited Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:52 PM - Edit history (3)

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]It means couples like April Miller and Karen Roberts can FINALLY get married tomorrow. It means rule of law has won! It is tempting to get carried away in the drama of moment and fixate upon the lawbreaker who abused her power...but we must not do that.

It is about love once again overcoming hate. It is about the triumph of equality before the law. It is about people who were wronged finally getting their rights respected.

The bigot doesn't even deserve us using her name. Let us forget her and instead let us celebrate the triumph of the couples who fought her and remember their names instead![/font]

[center]DAVID ERMOLD & DAVID MOORE
APRIL MILLER & KAREN ROBERTS
SHANTEL BURKE & STEPHEN NAPIER
JODY FERNANDEZ & KEVIN HOLLOWAY
AARON SKAGGS & BARRY SPARTMAN
JAMES YATES & WILLIAM SMITH, Jr.
TIM & MICHAEL LONG[/center]

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Today was their victory...not the bigot Clerks! Let celebrate for them and congratulate them on finally getting their marriage license!!![/font]

[hlthe2b]

1. I don't know that that is correct. The deputy clerks (except her son) have indicated willingness

to issue, but apparently are not able to, without her authorization, which she has refused to give. Unless I missed a more recent update, this seems like it remains a stalemate.

[LostOne4Ever]

3. I was under the impression that they would be issuing the licenses regardless

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]and had she simply given her approval they would have released her. But she didn't and now she will go to jail and the deputies will be issuing licenses tomorrow regardless.

I am not trying to argue, just explain my understand. I am probably wrong.

HOWEVER, regardless of whether the licenses are issued tomorrow or not, I feel that we have given this hateful woman too much attention and not enough to the couples whose lives have been turned into a circus because of her.

If nothing else, this post humanizes them and lets us know their names.[/font]

[hlthe2b]

4. I just now read that the willing deputy clerks will issue, but the judge has

warned any who receive these licenses that there may be issues with validity without the county clerk's signature. So, still limbo-land, it seems.

[CincyDem]

5. I agree with the OP...and...

...whilst the couples in question should be entitled to their day of joy as quickly as possible, the legal ambiguity of their marriage license is something that may follow them throughout their marriage. There are so many institutions that could make this the rationale for not providing these couples with their future marital rights...employers, health care providers, insurance companies. At every step of the way, these pioneers will be exposed to risks that SCOTUS and Bunning never intended.

They have have made their case and that's a good thing. At the same time, I think their financial advisors would tell them this might be the time for some patience and ensure that they're not exposing themselves to unnecessary risk because of this a-hole clerk's obstinance.

[Stonepounder]

8. Seems they WILL be valid without her approval.

http://www.kentucky.com/2015/09/03/4018514_federal-judge-jails-rowan-county.html?rh=1

Davis' lawyers questioned whether a Rowan County marriage license issued without Davis' authorization would be valid. But other lawyers in the courtroom, including Rowan County Attorney Cecil Watkins, said deputy clerks could issue marriage licenses, too.

[CincyDem]

9. Then that's than. Carry on and stay calm. n/t

[randys1]

2. Kick a million times. Michaelangelo Signorile today was saying NO he does NOT want to have

a civil conversation with Mike Huckabee about the issue.

The conversation is OVER now that you LOST asshole!

[passiveporcupine]

6. Does the county not have the right to replace her temporarily?

I mean, what do you do when your county position is not being upheld, because you are in jail, the hospital, on maternity or sick leave? There has to be a way to have someone fill in for her.

[jtuck004]

7. She's a liar.

“I, _____, do swear that I will well and truly discharge the duties of the office of _____ County Circuit Court clerk, according to the best of my skill and judgment, making the due entries and records of all orders, judgments, decrees, opinions and proceedings of the court, and carefully filing and preserving in my office all books and papers which come to my possession by virtue of my office; and that I will not knowingly or willingly commit any malfeasance of office, and will faithfully execute the duties of my office without favor, affection or partiality, so help me God.”

Her so-called religion means nothing.

[awoke_in_2003]

10. Big old K&R

Marriage equality is the law of the land. I am glad I finally got to change my signature line of the last 2 or 3 years (it was "there are two types of people in the world- those who support marriage equality and those who are assholes&quot .

[LostOne4Ever]

11. UPDATE

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]I missed a few people. Added them. If you know of anyone else I am missing let me know and I will add them.

ALSO:[/font]

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/breaking_same_sex_couple_who_filed_suit_against_kim_davis_are_first_to_get_marriage_license

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/second_same_sex_couple_gets_license_in_rowan_county_as_religious_activists_call_them_perverts

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/another_couple_who_sued_kim_davis_just_got_their_marriage_license