Kim Davis' stunt demolished in one brilliant tweet

[kpete]

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https://twitter.com/rachelheldevans/status/639505803272175616
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/04/1418315/-Kim-Davis-stunt-demolished-in-one-brilliant-tweet#

[mnhtnbb]

1. Well said.

[Rex]

2. That is it right there. Fundies lack the cognitive skills to realize nobody wants to live

like they do. The arrogance of this women is something to behold, yet very typical of your average fundie.

[jwirr]

11. And the truth is few of them live the way they want

others to live.

[uponit7771]

19. +1, seems they're more likely to throw stones

[Plucketeer]

23. OR....

LESS likely to throw real stones. As they're supposed to when they discover an adultress. Religion and reason often find themselves at odds - as is the case in this instance.

[anneboleyn]

34. Exactly, this woman has been married four times and committed adultery

Yet to the fundies she is preserving the sanctity of marriage! Lmao

[jwirr]

45. Yes.

[BlueCaliDem]

57. Exactly! Divorce is a NO-NO in the Christian faith.

For Christians, according to the Greek scriptures (the part of the Bible that's the foundation of Christendom), "Till death do us part" is not merely a tentative promise. It's a vow before their god. And Davis, as a self-proclaimed Christian and four-time divorcee (and thus a four-time adulteress according to her Christian faith), and all her bigoted supporters should know that rule.

In our gov't, it's not only freedom OF religion but we have freedom FROM religion, as well. Why is that so hard for these people to understand?

[LuckyLib]

61. You can't write this stuff. All of the fundie "family values" politicians

who get caught in lies and hypocrisy. Amazing.

[Bluenorthwest]

17. It's not just the 'Fundies' that attempt to force others to follow their religion, RCC, LDS,

the Baptists and most of the other sects and denominations are active in anti gay politics. In November, the Pope, who is beloved on DU, was keynote speaker at a Vatican conference against marriage equality, the Vatican invited all the 'Fundies' including Family Research Council, NOM, and the Heritage Foundation. Rick Warren spoke, leaders of the LDS and Southern Baptist Convention took part. All were specifically invited by the Vatican. Tony Perkins, Josh Duggar's boss, said the atmosphere was euphoric when Francis spoke.


Vatican Strengthens Ties with Evangelicals and Mormons Against Gay Marriage
http://time.com/3597245/vatican-evangelicals-mormons-gay-marriage/

[Rex]

37. True it is a LOT of groups!

All pushing their agenda off onto us.

[bjobotts]

88. All religions are cults

[WinkyDink]

41. "active in....politics" is the legal way in a democracy.

[yodermon]

52. The Catholic church is a hate group, full stop.

prove me wrong.

mainline protestant christianity is too, although less monolithic obviously what with fringe groups like these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_Christian_denominations

[madashelltoo]

3. All I can say is

I love the truth!

[erronis]

31. Me too! And the truth will set us free.

It's so much work to live a life of lies. And cheating on husbands/lovers is just part of it. I guess I should feel sorry for this poor woman - but let's let her life be an example.

[Backwoodsrider]

32. yes the truth comes out sooner or latter

Kim Davis has been a great model for the center to see how some people usually on the extreme right are out of touch with the centers values and beliefs are right now and how many of the values and beliefs of the far right are based on dishonesty. I see a lot of healing in our future

[beac]

4. Perfect. n/t

[ryan_cats]

5. I guess we can close down all those other threads.

I guess we can close down all those other threads. Someone has tweeted on this and now there's a screen capture and everything is resolved.
Sigh...

[WinkyDink]

42. What's your problem?

[gordianot]

6. Thanks I have already used that on facebook.

[jaxind]

7. No Violation of Your Conscience Taking Place, Mrs. Davis!

No one is forcing Kim Davis to marry another woman! If that ever happened, that is when her religious beliefs would be violated!

[csziggy]

8. Saw this version as a comment on one of the stories on Kim Davis

Religious persecution is when you're prevented from exercising your beliefs, not when you're prevented from imposing your beliefs.
---Rev. Susan Russell

This may that Rev. Russell:

Rev. Susan Russell is an Episcopal priest and activist from Pasadena CA. A past-president of Integrity USA – the 30-year old national Episcopal gay caucus -- she is a founding member of the Human Rights Campaign’s Religion Council, a member of Planned Parenthood's National Clergy Advisory Board and a second generation Los Angeles Dodgers fan.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-susan-russell/

[WinkyDink]

48. But that is the crux (NPI) of the matter: Davis feels she IS being so prevented, as "exercising

her beliefs" means, to her, not issuing those licenses.

[jtuck004]

96. That's like saying Hitler was just exercising his beliefs when he invaded Poland

and killed millions of people, not imposing them.

Her viewpoint is ignorant and self-serving. She is in fact imposing her view on others. The issue is not the license, it is that the license is for something that she does not like, and although she is prevented from interfering by law, she is so much the fascist that she thinks she can use it to hurt others.

She is nothing more than a common liar, and jail is a damn good place for her ass to be laying around in right now.

[jwirr]

9. THAT is what separation of Church and State is all

about.

[TexasBushwhacker]

95. I heard someone say we have "freedom of religion"

but not "freedom FROM religion". Of course, that's essentially what the establishment clause is.

[libodem]

10. Yep

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[ryan_cats]

33. I worship my new god, the meme generator

I worship my new god, the meme generator but I do agree with what it says.

However, if she had caved and gone back to being a private bigot, no one would orchestrate trying to destroy her? Brendan Eich has a bridge to sell you.

[WinkyDink]

38. Obeying the law is to have "caved"?? You think someone is "orchestrat(ing) to destroy her"?? Do

you mean what your wording says?

[ryan_cats]

43. If she is taking a stand

If she is taking a stand based on principals, however wrong, then changes her stance for convenience, that is caving.

Do you know who Brendan Eich is and what his horrendous crime was? If you zoom in on horrendous this time, this thread will live on in infinity.

[handmade34]

46. Kim Davis could change her stance

because that is her job… that would not be seen as caving

[ryan_cats]

50. I could quote Ripley from the beginning of Aliens here.

I could quote Ripley from the beginning of Aliens here but people would think it was wrong.

She is taking a stance based on her religious beliefs. If they are that malleable, then she is caving.

Are you saying bowing to everyone's belief that she is wrong (and I share that belief) is not caving but what? What virtuous word should I have used instead?

[passiveporcupine]

73. The only way she can save face is resigning

And if she cannot do her job because she feels it conflicts with her religious beliefs, then that is her only real option. Anything else is playing martyr to the cameras.

[Tansy_Gold]

78. She will play martyr

until the system gives her what she wants.

She has painted herself into the martyr's corner and there is no escape. She will not resign; there is no reason for her to. She sits in jail for however long, is fed and clothed and paid court to by the media. If her office continues to function without her, there is no pressure on her to recant, and there was no reason to believe the office wouldn't function in her absence, just as it would have if she had gone on vacation or taken medical leave.

If she is removed from office, she will still play the martyr, having lost her job, her income, her prestige, and most of all her power. The rest of us could say it was God's will, but we would be teasing. Unless and until SHE sees it's God's will, it won't be. She'll still be a martyr.

There is no way -- at least none I can see -- for her to go back to her official duties and issue marriage licenses under the law without losing face. She is adamantly opposed to gay marriage -- though not to other proscribed unions such as of divorced individuals like herself. She has said she cannot, which is very different from will not, grant those licenses. She has said she will not allow her deputies to issue them over her signature. (Whether she actually signs the licenses is something I don't know.) She wants the law changed, though I'm not sure what she wants it changed to. And I suspect any change would end up in court going all the way back to the SCOTUS to test the existing law as constitutional.

The only way out of this, as I see it, is for her to be removed from office or for her to stay in jail until her present term is up and someone else is elected. Of course, if she's re-elected, then the drama continues.

But she is relishing the role of martyr. It's a sick kind of religious ecstasy.

[Chemisse]

91. She is elected? That explains why she hasn't been fired for not performing her duties.

But you're right; there is no graceful way out at this point. I just hope there is not a huge groundswell of support for her.

[WinkyDink]

49. Your last sentence is incomprehensible to me. Moreover, if you want to play Jeopardy with me, don't.

[ryan_cats]

54. Please post the answer in the form of a question.

Please post the answer in the form of a question.

I could explain what the last sentence means but I am secure in the knowledge that 20 years from now it will dawn on you.

[WinkyDink]

85. Good, because I'd like to live that long.

[csziggy]

66. You're defending Brendan Eich for supporting Proposition 8?

Or are you upset that public pressure impelled him to resign as CEO of Mozilla? Not sure I understand what you are defending here?

Both Eich and Davis can hold whatever beliefs they like. The difference between the two is that Eich was head of a corporation and chose to resign when his personal beliefs began affecting the bottom line of the company he headed.

On the other hand Davis' job is a government position. She is the representative of the government and not just acting as her own person. When she denies services to people (taxpayers) she using the power of the government to deny those services. THAT is the basic problem. Davis can hold whatever beliefs she likes but when she uses her position as a government employee to inflict her beliefs on other people she is out of bounds and acting illegally.

Resigning from the position is not caving, it is not changing her stance. It is removing herself from a position that she is misusing to have power over other peoples lives. Her position as County Clerk does NOT give her the right to control how other people live when she is exercising it outside the law.

The only point that I have any sympathy with Kim Davis on is that the law changed since she took her oath in January. But her oath said she would support the US Constitution - which says that the Supreme Court is the final arbiter on the law.

Ignoring the original SCOTUS decision on same sex marriage and then ignoring the court orders to do her job should made her re-evaluate her position as County Clerk. Since it is obvious she is not willing to do the job as it now exists her only recourse is to resign. At least Brendan Eich cared enough to resign for the good of the company he had led. Kim Davis seems to only care about herself and the promotion of bigotry and hate.

[ryan_cats]

75. I'm not defending him

I'm not defending him, I am pointing out that someone posted a meme that said, She has every right to be a bigot on her own time to which I responded in post #33.

As far as I can tell these threads are in some sort of order so if you read them in order instead of randomly, they tend to make more sense.

[csziggy]

80. What is your point in repeatedly bringing up Brendan Eich then?

As I pointed out in my previous reply, his situation has no relevance to that of Kim Davis. Eich was perfectly entitled to believe what he wanted and to support whatever cause he choose. No one forced him to resign - he made that decision on his own, probably to protect the value of his shares of the company.

But despite requests to explain your own posts about Brendan Eich you have not explained what relevance YOU see in raising his name over and over.

And I have read the thread in order. Your posts in it seem to be somewhat incoherent and non-responsive.

[LiberalAndProud]

71. If the principle is hate, maybe so.

If the principle is Biblical there are no legal grounds for taking this stand. The moral and ethical, let me go so far as to say principled, thing to do would have been to RESIGN her office.

[handmade34]

93. yes but...

we know that religion is dogma and not morals

[libodem]

55. huh?

This guy? What do you mean? Help me understand?

http://fluentconf.com/javascript-html-2015/public/schedule/speaker/33401
What bridge?

AND if my memes annoy you feel free to ignore my posts.

[ryan_cats]

60. You need to find out what his terrible crime was.

You need to find out what his terrible crime was as well as the penalty and how it relates to what I wrote.

[libodem]

62. Either I'm incoherent

Or you are. I'm not researching his crime.

[LiberalAndProud]

72. You mean he was forced to quit his job, right?

Awesome idea.

[niyad]

58. nobody gives a tinker's damn what she does in her private life (something it would be nice if

the bigoted, reichwing nutjobs practiced). it is what she does when on OUR TIME AND DIME that we care about.

[ryan_cats]

59. Did Brendan Eich receive the same consideration for his crime?

Did Brendan Eich receive the same consideration for his crime?

[Rebubula]

63. Seriously....what are you talking about?

Obviously, from your statements - you support this woman and her bigotry...at least in some tangential manner

Eich found out that freedom of speech only covers the Government from punishing you for stupid and bigoted opinions. He is still rich and he never went to jail - never directly denied anyone ANYTHING. He did discover that being a public asshole has ramifications.

The 2 cases have sweet fuck-all to do with each other.

[ryan_cats]

76. You responded to me but I responded to this:

You responded to me but I responded to this:

nobody gives a tinker's damn what she does in her private life (something it would be nice if

the bigoted, reichwing nutjobs practiced). it is what she does when on OUR TIME AND DIME that we care about.

Your response:
Eich found out that freedom of speech only covers the Government from punishing you for stupid and bigoted opinions. He is still rich and he never went to jail - never directly denied anyone ANYTHING. He did discover that being a public asshole has ramifications.

Ramifications from whom? This is the point I was making way up thread where someone's meme said she had every right to be a bigot on her own time, like people will just drop this once she resigns. Her life is ruined. I don't have sympathy for her as she brought it on herself but do you think her opponents are going to let her walk off into the sunset, have you not seen the viciousness of her attackers? Murderers get better treatment.

I don't support her, she should have resigned.

[passiveporcupine]

81. I think you have confused a lot of people here

I don't have sympathy for her as she brought it on herself but do you think her opponents are going to let her walk off into the sunset, have you not seen the viciousness of her attackers? Murderers get better treatment.

I don't support her, she should have resigned.

Murderers often get life or the death sentence. How can you say they get better treatment than her? Her treatment so far consists of a jail sentence until she decides she's had enough (or the judge has). There is no comparison.

Are you saying you have empathy for her because she is being attacked by people who actually want the government and the people they elected to do their goddamn jobs?

[WinkyDink]

86. Excuse me, but I do not think "a lot of people here" are the confused entity here.

[passiveporcupine]

87. then perhaps you can try to explain what ryan cat meant with her(his) posts

I'd actually prefer it if she explained it, but after numerous posts, I'm as confused as with the first one.

[ryan_cats]

97. Touche'

[Different Drummer]

77. Nailed It! n/t

[Tree-Hugger]

12. Boom!! nt

[libodem]

13. More:

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[Duval]

20. Says it all. Thanks! eom

[oldandhappy]

14. Amen. Thank you.

[AuntPatsy]

15. Yes

[treestar]

16. amen

it is so twisted that they make it about their freedom of religion. They are not getting they are not the only ones who have a religion.

If there is a religion out there that believes gay people should be able to get married, that religion has freedom of religion too.

[bigwillq]

18. K and R

[Paladin]

21. Huge K&R.

[mdbl]

22. Some of the Repug candidates have their heads in a toilet

I can't believe Huckabee, Cruz and couple of other moron Repug candidates think the Kentucky Clerk's religious beliefs allow her to break to break the law. I would love to see a radical muslim get elected and try to enforce his religion on them and see what those total idiots have to say then. How do they wake up and look in the mirror at themselves?

[WinkyDink]

53. $$$$$$$$$$$$$ This is their Febreeze.

[still_one]

24. I saw something similar on another message board

"The lady elected clerk who refuses to issue gay marriage licenses is
imposing her religious beliefs on the government and the citizens. When she signs her name to the cert. she isn't signing as a private lady, below the signature is her title. She is signing FOR the government as it's representative. Besides it being none of her business what others believe, if she refuses to be the agent for the county she should be impeached."

[libodem]

29. Absolutely

[Xipe Totec]

25. This is brilliant. nt

[SoapBox]

26. Yes!

[cascadiance]

27. Wish we could arrest a right wing judge here in Oregon too...

Last edited Fri Sep 4, 2015, 11:33 AM - Edit history (1)

Discussion on reddit on this issue and how his position sits with the law too...



https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/3jk3a9/oregon_judge_refuses_to_perform_samesex_marriages/

[gratuitous]

47. Yeah, this is kind of puzzling

Judge Day, like any other judge in Oregon, can perform weddings at his discretion. Since it's a function of their office, compensation isn't required for the judge, but often someone will slip the judge a c-note for the service. Some judges feature their willingness to perform weddings quite prominently on their government web pages, others don't do weddings at all, still others might do a wedding for someone they have a personal connection with.

Judge Day, who has done weddings in the past, could have quietly slipped himself into the last category and nobody would have noticed. If he was approached by a same-sex couple, he could have declined and said that going forward he was only going to do weddings for people he knew or had some prior connection with. Nobody would have said a thing. Instead, he has affirmatively gone public with his refusal to serve some, but not all the citizens of Oregon. That brings him to the attention of the judicial fitness review board, and that's never a good thing for a judge.

One other thing to note: When judges are asked to perform a wedding ceremony, it's usually a strictly civil, not religious, affair. There's no mention of a deity or a blessing or a benediction or any of the other religious accoutrements we're accustomed to seeing and hearing in a religious setting. Which makes Judge Day's stance all the more baffling.

[csziggy]

67. Are judges in Oregon elected?

Here in Florida some are, depending on the level, and a stance like Judge Day's might garner some votes in an upcoming election - or it could cost votes.

Or there is the possibility that Judge Day is prepping for a future run at some other public office and wants to have this box (bigoted asshole) checked off for those who would desire such a person to hold office.

[gratuitous]

74. Yes, though most run unopposed

Judges usually (but not always) get on the state court bench in the first place through appointment for a vacancy. Sometimes there are contested races for open judgeships, but it's pretty rare. A sitting judge almost never faces an opponent. Oregon has a relatively clean reputation for judges.

If Judge Day is thinking about another public office, this isn't a real good move. He's in Marion County (where Salem, the state capital is located), and while not a hotbed of liberalism, it's still quite a bit more cosmopolitan than counties in Eastern and Southern Oregon.

[passiveporcupine]

82. While I don't think he should have this right and keep his job

there are other judges who can do it instead. This is not a case where he is the only qualified person to perform these ceremonies, and he is refusing.

It still needs to be a part of the job description...that you can do any job required of you under the law of the land, and if not, you are not qualified to hold this position.

[RKP5637]

28. PERFECT!!! RIGHT TO THE CORE!!! ABSOLUTELY PERFECT!!!

[Yallow]

30. If They Weren't Hating On Gays

And attacking rape victims, and single poor women.....

The Kristuns would have to do the stuff Jesus said to do.

Like love thy neighbor. Feed the hungry. Heal the sick.

You know. All that stuff they are ignoring while they are
grandstanding with their evil.

[CrispyQ]

40. Colbert said it best!

Can't wait for 9/8!!! I am actually going to try to stay up late!

http://www.cbs.com/shows/the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/

[libodem]

51. Perfect

[4lbs]

35. Right on! The fundies that support her using government to force others to practice her religion

also blame Islamic extremists for their oppression of the people through government, forcing people to follow THEIR brand of Islam.

They don't realize that it is pretty much the same thing.

[Gothmog]

36. Great tweet

[allan01]

39. it seems to me

she went to jail for disobediance. and disobaying the lawful rule of the land . if jesus came back today and in this country some of those same folks would spit on him.

[gregcrawford]

44. For Davis to claim that her God's law...

... supersedes the nation's secular law is no different than ISIS imposing Sharia Law. Got a snappy comeback for that, Huckabee, you asshole?

[BlueCaliDem]

56. EXCELLENT! Woot!

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[smirkymonkey]

64. Brilliant!

[Stuart G]

65. K and R...geat post, thank you...nt

[Fritz Walter]

68. Her 15 minutes of fame are over

I'm past caring about her.
She's an attention whore as is her legal counsel.

Please, people: let's move on!

[libodem]

69. Now for all that Go-Fund me Money

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[The Wizard]

70. According to her Bible

she should be stoned to death for adultery.

[Faux pas]

79. Yeah!

[Helen Borg]

83. Jailed for not doing the job she is paid to do...

[Helen Borg]

84. Is she getting donations from conservatives"?

[Liberal_in_LA]

89. Michael Medved tried in vain to get callers to realize that a marriage battle would not help the GOP

today on this show.

[GarColga]

90. I wish DU would update it's forum software!

I mean, sometimes it's hard to tell what's going on.

[mackerel]

92. retweeted

[IHateTheGOP]

94. Zing!!!!!!!

[MBS]

98. Excellent!