Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
Mon May 21, 2012, 10:33 PM May 2012

Is racism a subtext in all these attacks on Cory Booker?

Why the ferocity? Is a successful, Stanford-educated African-American too much for some Americans? Wasn't Booker just following the lead of the president in defending the free-market system?

http://baselinescenario.com/2010/02/10/president-obama-on-ceo-compensation-at-too-big-to-fail-banks/

President Obama On CEO Compensation At Too Big To Fail Banks
Posted on February 10, 2010 by Simon Johnson | 104 Comments

Bloomberg today reports President Obama as commenting on the $17 million bonus for Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan Chase and the $9 million bonus for Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs,

“I know both those guys; they are very savvy businessmen,”

and

““I, like most of the American people, don’t begrudge people success or wealth. That is part of the free- market system.”


<edit>

This is the antithesis of a free-market system. Not only were their banks saved by government action in 2008-09 but the overly generous nature of this bailout (details here) means that the playing field is now massively tilted in favor of these banks. (I put this to Gerry Corrigan of Goldman and Barry Zubrow of JP Morgan when we appeared before the Senate Banking Committee last week; there was no effective rejoinder.)

more..


43 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Is racism a subtext in all these attacks on Cory Booker? (Original Post) Karmadillo May 2012 OP
I don't think so matt819 May 2012 #1
Thanks for the laugh BeyondGeography May 2012 #2
No. Booker claims to be a Democrat while defending vulture capitalism. Dawson Leery May 2012 #3
Oh, please. LeftyMom May 2012 #4
No Pirate Smile May 2012 #5
traitorism is the subtext, in an era when every word counts....the Prez is a master of context...n/t unkachuck May 2012 #6
Perhaps stupidity and pandering is a subtext in Booker's remarks. enough May 2012 #7
Too much for some Americans? cthulu2016 May 2012 #8
Yep, what you said. Booker got exactly what he wanted out of this: publicity & kissing the ass of Booster May 2012 #13
ROFL. Darcy Richardson 2012! AtomicKitten May 2012 #9
it's his bald head. spanone May 2012 #10
You win a cookie. Major Hogwash May 2012 #21
ask a silly question..... spanone May 2012 #25
No you have it backwards racism is the subtext for all the attacks on President Obama by jp11 May 2012 #11
Um, no. CakeGrrl May 2012 #12
.... one_voice May 2012 #14
Nah. The "ferocity" about Booker is because.......... socialist_n_TN May 2012 #15
We have a winner! hifiguy May 2012 #29
Pretty much... Drunken Irishman May 2012 #34
No. Not at all RZM May 2012 #16
No. Not in all of them. KamaAina May 2012 #17
I think that applying race to the complaints about Booker's nonsense is your doing here bigtree May 2012 #18
i think it's more because a black democrat that owed the first black president knifed him instead. HiPointDem May 2012 #19
Not racism, but there could be a racial component cthulu2016 May 2012 #20
Well that was silly. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #22
Heh. Predictable as always. nt geek tragedy May 2012 #23
ingenuous the way he managed to take Booker's side against the President cali May 2012 #37
The OP must agree with Booker's opinions on Bain. Ikonoklast May 2012 #42
Do yourself a favor and self delete ths! Logical May 2012 #24
hahahha JI7 May 2012 #26
Is trying to make this about racism racist itself? Ikonoklast May 2012 #27
He opened up a can of sting worms politicasista May 2012 #28
No. He either has poor analytical skills or flamingdem May 2012 #30
No. Iggo May 2012 #31
I guess defending Obama against a Booker attack makes one a racist... provis99 May 2012 #32
no Swamp Lover May 2012 #33
no, but trust you to post such dog shit. cali May 2012 #35
No. ananda May 2012 #36
Just Competence battchief May 2012 #38
Hope you took dramamine before spinning like that ... might make you puke. JoePhilly May 2012 #39
Fail! FSogol May 2012 #40
it depends whether their criticism of the Democrats is consistent Enrique May 2012 #41
No ibegurpard May 2012 #43

matt819

(10,749 posts)
1. I don't think so
Mon May 21, 2012, 10:37 PM
May 2012

I think he was misguided in his comments, and I can't help but question why he made them, tu I just don't get the sense of a racial component.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
3. No. Booker claims to be a Democrat while defending vulture capitalism.
Mon May 21, 2012, 10:39 PM
May 2012

What we see now is that Cory is being funded by these vulture capitalist. Conflict of interest.

enough

(13,256 posts)
7. Perhaps stupidity and pandering is a subtext in Booker's remarks.
Mon May 21, 2012, 10:43 PM
May 2012

That false equivalency, "both sides do it," idiocy is stupid and destructive no matter the race of the person who's doing it.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
8. Too much for some Americans?
Mon May 21, 2012, 10:44 PM
May 2012

The anger is all coming from people who desperately want a very successful and highly educated black man to be re-elected as President of the United States.

Obama is not too much for this American and I would like to see a lot more of him, thank you very much.

Booster

(10,021 posts)
13. Yep, what you said. Booker got exactly what he wanted out of this: publicity & kissing the ass of
Mon May 21, 2012, 10:56 PM
May 2012

the money people. He did that and it makes no difference what his color is, he's an asshole & they all are the same color.

jp11

(2,104 posts)
11. No you have it backwards racism is the subtext for all the attacks on President Obama by
Mon May 21, 2012, 10:52 PM
May 2012

the conservatives and right wing extremists. You see it is too much for them that a smart black man is the president of the United States, more than that a Black Man beat out an old White Man. Furthermore they are so incensed by their racist hatred they need to believe he is some kind of evil mastermind bent on their very destruction. So deluded they are they don't see what he actually has done or wants to do but what their own fear addled minds conjure up from coming after their guns to turning the country into a socialist state.

Mayor Booker is being 'attacked' because he stabbed the president in the back while wearing a 2012 Obama pin on his lapel. Supposedly he was working to re-elect President Obama and he just became part of attacking the president's re-election strategy calling Romney out on his record.

I can understand the mayor feeling sympathy/pressure from equity firms that might invest in his city or pay him money or whatever he's into but to say the the valid criticism of Romeny's 'experience' as a 'job creator' while at Bain is 'too much' and 'enough is enough' is asinine.



 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
16. No. Not at all
Mon May 21, 2012, 11:24 PM
May 2012

But there's a whole lot to talk about in your headline, even though it's completely wrong.

Booker made a positive statement about Bain and private equity in general. That's going to result in a temporary stay in the doghouse and a mark on his permanent record here on DU. Doesn't matter who says it - that's not going to be received well here.

What's interesting about your post is that it exposes the silly way in which race and racism is brought up nowadays. The most common way race is used on the left is as a bludgeoning instrument against one's opponents. Hence the constant attention to race with regards to the Tea Party (which is overdone, IMO). An accusation of racism carries with it profound social power. The damage it can inflict is substantial, but the potential blowback from false accusations is not - therefore, it pays to use it as much as possible. I'm not an expert in accounting/economics, but in politics, racism accusations might be characterized as having a good cost/benefit ratio. The potential gains far outweigh the potential risks.

What's funny is that you're insinuating a very thin charge of racism against the same people that do just that against their own opponents. So it does have a bit of that goose/gander thing to it. But in the end, it's still bullshit. I'd bet not a single DUer is hating on Booker because he's black. They are hating on him because he said something they don't like. While I don't think it's exactly accurate to say DU is colorblind, I think it is here. Anybody who said what Booker did would be pilloried here. Booker neither gets a pass for his race, nor does he get extra scorn because of it. He's being treated just as anybody else would be in the court of DU opinion. And therein lies the lesson. Because I've argued from day one that this is the same dynamic going on with the right. Most of them don't hate Obama because he's black . . . they hate him because he's a Democrat, just like they hated both Clintons, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, John Kerry, and every other white Democrat out there.

bigtree

(85,987 posts)
18. I think that applying race to the complaints about Booker's nonsense is your doing here
Mon May 21, 2012, 11:28 PM
May 2012

. . . more than it's anyone else's.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
19. i think it's more because a black democrat that owed the first black president knifed him instead.
Mon May 21, 2012, 11:29 PM
May 2012

the corporate thing is par for politicians generally.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
20. Not racism, but there could be a racial component
Mon May 21, 2012, 11:31 PM
May 2012

The implication that an appreciable number of DUers attacking Booker want to bring down a strong black man are absurd.

But yes, his race probably does matter insofar as there may be a heightened expectation that he would have Obama's back, and a heightened expectation that he should have a better understanding of what the Republicans are about.

And to some his race may matter on the other side of the scale... that as a rising black star his career is too precious to disregard just because he's a F'ing tool.

In a nation that thinks in terms of race there is always a racial subtext.

But a racial subtext is not, in and of itself, racism.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
37. ingenuous the way he managed to take Booker's side against the President
Tue May 22, 2012, 05:54 AM
May 2012

slimy, sickening and obvious to anyone familiar with the op, but ingenuous.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
42. The OP must agree with Booker's opinions on Bain.
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:56 AM
May 2012

Never heard of a Socialist that defended water carriers for vulture capitalists before.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
27. Is trying to make this about racism racist itself?
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:17 AM
May 2012

Or is the amount of deflection away from the real issue, which for you is anyone attacking this president, even a Bain Capital toadie like Booker, is OK in your book?

See the thread with the amounts of money funneled into DINO Booker's re-election campaign.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
30. No. He either has poor analytical skills or
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:23 AM
May 2012

he's a backstabber. Both mean a limited future. At least with the dems.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
35. no, but trust you to post such dog shit.
Tue May 22, 2012, 05:30 AM
May 2012

I wonder if you'll make it through election season. Are you planning to vote for President Obama?

ananda

(28,858 posts)
36. No.
Tue May 22, 2012, 05:51 AM
May 2012

I think it's just the reverse.

It looks as though the elitists wish to put a Black face on their policies and tactics
as tokens for street cred or something.

battchief

(5 posts)
38. Just Competence
Fri May 25, 2012, 09:35 AM
May 2012

This is about Competence 101.

Booker was on as a surrogate, with his "surrogate notes". Any job, low to high, requires one thing: ability to execute. Booker, Stanford educated, Rhodes Scholar, Yale Law grad failed to just do what he was there to do.

He wasn't on to speak for Cory Booker. He had been given the high honor of speaking for the President of the United States. He didn't state something the President could embrace, no matter how grudgingly (Scarborough says the VP staff is persona non grata). He objected to the presidents judgment, publicly; rank insubordination. Booker's a politician. He rebuked the head of his own party, publicly. Why's he tryin' to change the rules? Because another brother's in the white house?

Booker had a 10 minute job to do. He failed. Not only that, but his failure to realize what he later said he did, in the moment; his false equivalence between Jeremiah Wright (under what circumstances should an Obama surrogate volunteer that name) and Romney's Bain record begs the question of his judgment and or his intellect. We know he's not stupid. He's got the papers to prove it. So he was just wrong, emphatically.

When the president gives you a job, you do it. If you don't feel you can, run yourself or support someone else.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
41. it depends whether their criticism of the Democrats is consistent
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:22 AM
May 2012

I do see some singling out. I recently watched that whole Meet the Press and heard Dick Durbin say he agrees with the premise of Paul Ryan's deficit reduction plan. Why no outrage about that?

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
43. No
Fri May 25, 2012, 11:02 AM
May 2012

Are they both corporate shills when it comes to action?
Perhaps, but I'd sure as hell rather be supporting the one who's actually using his position to be stating criticisms of the disgusting level of corporate dominance of our political system.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Is racism a subtext in al...