Kentucky clerk petitions for governor to excuse her from issuing same-sex marriage licenses

[diabeticman]

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https://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/kentucky-clerk-petitions-for-governor-to-excuse-her-from-issuing-same-sex-marriage-licenses/


Lawyers for jailed Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis said on Monday they had asked an appellate court to force Governor Steve Beshear to let her refuse to issue same-sex marriage licenses based on her religious convictions.

The lawyers sought emergency relief from the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals, asking it to grant Davis an exemption from the “Governor’s mandate that all county clerks issue marriage licenses,” the non-profit legal advocacy group Liberty Counsel, which represents Davis, said in a news release.

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My Step-Mom thinks should be allowed an accommodation. I am torn on this. Maybe if she didn't act like a jerk I would lean a little more towards it BUT then I am thinking after all the BS she caused she should be fired.

I have seen businesses and even local government office accommodate individuals for various regions some of which was for religious belief. But when someone force their belief on others I feel like they should be knocked off their pedestal.


EDIT: Thanks to Liberal Veteran I have a new understanding. post # 6. If she was given the choice to let someone else to issue the marriage license and she isn't letting anyone issue them Kim can rot in jail.

[Warpy]

1. She was elected, so she can't be fired.

However, she can be given choices: issue licenses to all qualified, consenting adults, resign, or sit in jail while the office runs without her.

[RKP5637]

3. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[Fred Sanders]

14. The law is patient, she can refuse as long as she likes.....she has 19 years and 350 days in jail to go to set the contempt record!

[tularetom]

17. And forfeit her salary while she's not present on the job

Since it's basically her choice to remain in jail and thus absent herself from her duties, she has in essence, abandoned her position. At some point, the voters are going to wonder why they need to keep paying a clerk who no longer clerks.

[customerserviceguy]

29. Please, don't get the voters involved in this

I would imagine that she could be re-elected in near perpetuity by bigots who would view their vote as a way to make points with Jayzus. This is a down-ballot elected office where the outcome of an election could be strongly influenced by the emergence of an issue that has way larger implications than a recitation of the simple duties of a rubber stamper.

[hifiguy]

19. Boom.

That is the entire case in a nutshell.

[Statistical]

2. I am not torn on it at all and I am a pretty strong defender of religious freedom.

Nobody is forcing here to issue licenses. She could resign and never have to issue another license as long as she lives. Freedom doesn't mean life as you want without consequences. If she genuinely believes she can't fulfil her civic obligation she should resign. If she doesn't resign she should be in contempt until her term ends.

[diabeticman]

7. I see what you are saying.

[MADem]

4. It's HER JOB. She's not marrying the couples, she's

just registering THEIR intent--not hers.

She's like the Christian Scientist pharmacist, refusing to issue any prescriptions...

to The Onion...

[RKP5637]

5. I'm not torn on this at all. IMO the judge has done exactly the right thing! n/t

[Liberal Veteran]

6. She was given the choice of accommodation. She refused.

She could have allowed anyone else in her office to issue the license. She forbade them from doing so.

I think some people have a hard time grasping the idea that accommodation isn't the same thing "I should get to have things exactly as I want them".

The kind of accommodation she wants is UNREASONABLE accommodation to force her office to ignore the law.

[diabeticman]

12. OH! That change everything. She is trying to force her belief on others. let her rot.

Thanks for the info.

[beac]

22. Do I hear the sound of a tune changing?

Suddenly, she just wants to be exempt if others can issue the lecenses.

Question is, does she still mean those "others" must be in a different office or is she now saying she will let her deputies issue them?

Guess jail isn't turning out to be all that fun for Little Miss Bigot.

The most hilarious part of this is her husband and other protesters telling the governor "Do your job or resign!"

[Kelvin Mace]

8. What would the Right say

if I was a county clerk and refused to issue gun permits on religious grounds?

[Fred Sanders]

9. At what point do these frivolous motions and appeals become vexatious and any more fillings denied?

Fundie lawyer....you get what you pay for, not what you pray for.

[procon]

10. Just do the math.

How many clerks would the state need to hire if they all demanded their own personal religious exemption and refused to do their jobs?

[smirkymonkey]

11. God, she's like a Rottweiler with a piece of meat.

Just resign for god's sake and stop wasting everyone's time and money.

[RKP5637]

16. She's enjoying the free room and board!

[customerserviceguy]

30. And has an incredible cross to nail herself to.

I mean, how many fundies can actually say they've been tossed in the clink for their bigotry?

[Tree-Hugger]

13. I'm not torn

Her job is to uphold the law. It is legal for same sex couples to marry. She doesn't get to force her religion on the law. She shouldn't be given a special snowflake accommodation.

[underpants]

23. Agreed.

She should sit in jail until she either complies or resigns.

[RKP5637]

15. This IMO is far more than Kim Davis. It is being used as a wedge to force religion into

governance and morphing court decisions into something else. If she gets her way, we will see a significant erosion of the separation of church/state. This will be used immediately as precedence to allow the same or similar. Kim Davis is being used as a tool!

[diabeticman]

18. That's true.

[PSPS]

20. Yup, them Liberty Counsel "attorneys" sure are worth every penny she's paying them.

[left-of-center2012]

21. "... petitions for governor to excuse her ..."

I don't think Governors can excuse some one from following the US Constitution.

[longship]

24. I thought that god already did that.

At least according to her previous pronouncements.

Meh! I guess if one strategy doesn't work, one tries another even if it undermines ones previous strategy.

Her lawyers are fucking idiots.

Then, there's the SitNextTo Kim Davis Twitter account. High art ridicule!

I report about it here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7146219
Some things deserve only ridicule. And yes, there is a Star Trek subtext with some of the actors becoming involved. Pretty damned good stuff.

[onecaliberal]

25. It IS her job to follow the law. If she is unwilling or unable to do that,

She should immediately resign.
Religious freedom means you do not get to force your religion on others. It is interesting that this woman finds her so called morals after she cheats on her husband and gets divorced three times, especially for someone who looks at marriage as some "sacred" thing. I guess her morals don't apply to her, they are used to judge others.

[RKP5637]

26. Yep, she sees herself as "The Decider!" She sees her role as to enfore her religion onto

others. In her mind what she does is of no consequence. She's incapable of logical thought.

[kcdoug1]

27. Christians.....

always asking for SPECIAL rights!

[struggle4progress]

28. The judge wouldn't have jailed her if she'd agreed to allow deputy clerks to issue licenses

But she said, no

So she was offered an accommodation and refused it

She can stay in jail as long as she wants, but the judge's only concern is that the office issue the licenses

I expect now that the office is issuing licenses without her, the judge will haul her back into court and ask the question again

She can say no again and go back to jail; or she can get out of jail, go back to the office, again stop deputy clerks from issuing licenses, and go back to jail

Then again she can always tell the judge she'll let deputy clerks issue licenses, get out of jail, go back to the office, and do other clerky stuff there whenever deputy clerks are issuing licenses

[lpbk2713]

31. IOW ... "Please rewrite my job description"

You agreed to the terms and conditions when you took the job.

Now do what is expected of you.