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uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:11 PM Sep 2015

Why should someone who is transgender not use the facilities they identify with?

Last edited Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:37 PM - Edit history (2)

I am writing she/he and girls/boys, please put the genders together when you read. Perhaps "identified gender:people of the same identified gender" would be more accurate, but it seemed clumsy to write.

I sincerely do not understand the reasoning behind not allowing a person to use the facility (restroom, locker room) that they identify with.

Also, I will be on and off DU for a couple days at random times so may not be able to answer/reply quickly.
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ETA, thank you for all the replies and votes. The proper answer is they should use the facilities they identify with.


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Why should someone who is transgender not use the facilities they identify with? (Original Post) uppityperson Sep 2015 OP
How do people even know if someone roody Sep 2015 #1
+++++ uppityperson Sep 2015 #3
That was my first thought ... etherealtruth Sep 2015 #17
+1 Doingto Sep 2015 #46
I've seen it suggested Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #53
I think they should be able to use whichever they want gollygee Sep 2015 #2
I sincerely don't understand the concern about this. uppityperson Sep 2015 #4
I have no idea gollygee Sep 2015 #5
Some of the discussion was re co-ed locker rooms TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #12
Because some people can't live without butting in to others' lives. Oneironaut Sep 2015 #22
My thought is that... gvstn Sep 2015 #6
Locker rooms can be brutal for teens, no matter the gender identity REP Sep 2015 #14
No doubt. gvstn Sep 2015 #30
I'm speaking specifically of school locker rooms REP Sep 2015 #32
Fair points. gvstn Sep 2015 #33
The trans kid may not care REP Sep 2015 #34
I think we can all agree that the gym "teacher" that looks the other way gvstn Sep 2015 #37
I'm saying that it's not the non-event you stated upthread REP Sep 2015 #40
How did you know my fetish? gvstn Sep 2015 #41
Women do get pimples on their breasts, or at least, I did. uppityperson Sep 2015 #35
Thanks! gvstn Sep 2015 #36
Really! I never got pimples anywhere until I was in my 30s REP Sep 2015 #39
Since it was hidden, few saw them and it wasn't something to complain about but more privately embar uppityperson Sep 2015 #47
Lots of shame involved Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #55
I've seen/heard of backne, assne, chestne, etc - just not on the actual boob REP Sep 2015 #80
It happens on the boob Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #81
Hey now Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #54
I often use whichever room is not in use. HappyPlace Sep 2015 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #13
Why have separate bathrooms/facilities at all? Shandris Sep 2015 #8
Agree 100%. n/t ChazII Sep 2015 #11
Because 99% of the population is binary TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #15
Gender neutral toilets with enclosed stalls are good. uppityperson Sep 2015 #21
Exactly. nt SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #29
+infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #42
I believe the proper term is "transgender" not "transgenderED" PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #9
Thank you, it looked odd but wrote it fast. uppityperson Sep 2015 #10
Should appearance factor in? madville Sep 2015 #16
When I had a buzz cut, jeans and flannel shirt covering my curves, should i have used the men's uppityperson Sep 2015 #20
Good Lord. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #28
I thought we were going to start using Ze??? ileus Sep 2015 #18
The correct pronouns to use for a person is the pronouns that person wants you to use. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #86
Gender neutral restrooms across the board. randome Sep 2015 #19
Some people are wound too tight for public restrooms DefenseLawyer Sep 2015 #23
For your amusement... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #24
Oh dear. Ban individual enclosed gender neutral stalls uppityperson Sep 2015 #31
just use the stalls greymattermom Sep 2015 #25
Exactly. nt SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #27
No reason whatsoever. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #26
Am I a horrible person if I worry that creepy men could hang out in women's restrooms Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #38
Aren't there already laws against harassment of that nature? LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #43
So how would you propose enforcing your "genuine" rule? Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #49
Medical documentation of surgery and/or hormone treatment could be required. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #50
Really? So everyone who walks into a bathroom must do so with medical documentation in hand? Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #51
Do biological women need to carry papers, too? Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #56
++++++ uppityperson Sep 2015 #60
Perhaps the state would have an Official Genital Inspector to settle this question. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #67
Maybe we can get them to register Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #76
Who would be checking those papers and who do you think carries medical documentation of uppityperson Sep 2015 #59
Oh, that wouldn't cause privacy problems. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #65
Do most transgender folk keep their transition a secret? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #66
Yes, a lot of them do. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #68
Is that a serious question? Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #77
Trans people aren't going to use the facilities of their "new" gender unless they are MillennialDem Sep 2015 #75
Exactly. A genetic male who identifies as female and tries to appear female mainer Sep 2015 #82
Yes and I know you understand this so I'm only pointing it out to those who don't know MillennialDem Sep 2015 #89
Yeah, I agree. I don't care if they still have a penis. mainer Sep 2015 #90
" How dare you force a trans person to have surgery to fit your narrative of what man and woman are" uppityperson Sep 2015 #87
"may I see your papers, comrade?" nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #83
My advice: Keep your kids away from Catholic priests and officials. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #73
Here's the thing: predators aren't going to care whether or not it's "legal". winter is coming Sep 2015 #85
Wow 96% support! LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #44
Gender neutral bathrooms would be fine with me, LuvNewcastle Sep 2015 #45
Because bigots might get their widdle feewings hurt? KamaAina Sep 2015 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #52
+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #57
Because transphobes and TERFs need .... Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #58
TERFS=? Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #61
Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #62
There was a post about them the other day Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #70
Missed that thread. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #71
I think Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #78
It is another word for assholes. LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #64
New poll option: Because they forgot their bathroom license. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #63
Registration Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #79
Whatever is clever but can we put an end to piss troughs? Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #69
Hi Uppity. This whole issue could be solved very easily. icymist Sep 2015 #72
Giving the GOOD Poll an early morning bump! (nt) LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #74
Women have been using men's restrooms for years FrodosPet Sep 2015 #84
kick again. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #88

roody

(10,849 posts)
1. How do people even know if someone
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:15 PM
Sep 2015

is transg? I don't inspect other people using the same facilities as me. People who do should be banned.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
17. That was my first thought ...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:20 PM
Sep 2015

... let me assure you I have no desire to peer into stalls when someone is using the facility.

Tree-Hugger

(3,364 posts)
53. I've seen it suggested
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:02 PM
Sep 2015

....that they should carry papers documenting their hotomones, surgeries, etc. Hope the suggestion was in jest.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
2. I think they should be able to use whichever they want
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:16 PM
Sep 2015

which might in most cases be the one they identify with, but my daughter has a transgender friend who is afraid to use the boy's bathroom/locker room at school because he's afraid he'll get bullied. I feel like he should be able to use whichever he wants, and since he wants to use the girls' room, that's fine too. And when there is a school trip or trip with another group they're both in, he chooses to room with the girls. I guess I wouldn't want to see a rule that they HAVE to use the facility they identify with either.

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
4. I sincerely don't understand the concern about this.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:18 PM
Sep 2015

I would like to know what people are worried about, why they think the way they do as understanding why someone thinks, how they think, is the first step in figuring out how to alleviate those fears.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
5. I have no idea
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:21 PM
Sep 2015

Someone said it would be too traumatic to buy a tampon from a vending machine in front of a transgender person. Why on earth would that be a problem? I can't even imagine why that would be an issue. It's ridiculous.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
12. Some of the discussion was re co-ed locker rooms
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:12 PM
Sep 2015

I don't think most women want to walk around in a towel in front of the guys.

Oneironaut

(5,462 posts)
22. Because some people can't live without butting in to others' lives.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:52 PM
Sep 2015

It literally drives some people crazy if everybody doesn't think like they do / isn't like them.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
6. My thought is that...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:39 PM
Sep 2015

If you are a transgendered teen that you have a lot more on your mind than checking out the people in the lockerroom of the gender you identify with. It is probably the last thing on the kid's mind when they have to choose which bathroom/lockerroom to use.

The public bathroom is the last place that I could find something sexy to think about.

REP

(21,691 posts)
14. Locker rooms can be brutal for teens, no matter the gender identity
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:16 PM
Sep 2015

That's not a reason for discrimination but a reason for better supervision.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
30. No doubt.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:06 PM
Sep 2015

Teens are very self-conscious.

They think everything that happens to them is the first time it every happened in the history of man. If Suzie has a pimple on her breast that she thinks is disgusting, guess what, Jimmy don't care about that pimple if he gets to see your breast.

I'm just saying that using a bathroom/lockerroom should not be a big deal. And you are right that supervision is necessary for the first couple weeks until everyone gets used to it. But using the bathroom being of whatever gender should not be a big deal, we all do it at home.

My mother was in a wheelchair and needed help using some public toilets. I, as a male, went into several women's bathrooms to assist and never heard one word of complaint from anyone. The women went about their business (which I could hear) but I never had one single person complain or be afraid. This is a made up problem.

REP

(21,691 posts)
32. I'm speaking specifically of school locker rooms
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 12:43 AM
Sep 2015

Many, especially those in older buildings, have common showers without stalls and locker/changing areas without privacy - everyone undresses/dresses in full view of others. When I was in school, one could opt out of showering, but changing in and out of gym uniforms was not optional. Schools with that sort of locker/shower arrangements would benefit from supervision, no matter is trans students are present or not. It's not about pimples (hint, women don't get breast pimples); it's about bullying.

Why no one said anything about you being in a handicap stall with your wheelchair-bound mother is because you were in a handicap stall with your wheelchair-bound mother. If you'd been loitering in the Ladies sans a disabled woman or a very young girl, I'm sure you would have gotten a few questions if not an escort from Security.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
33. Fair points.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 01:04 AM
Sep 2015

As a gay man, I did not know about breast pimples (thanks!).

I hated lockerrooms when I was in school (and communal showers). I'm just saying from an adult prospective it should not be a big deal. Trans or not, just changing into gym shorts isn't worth having a fight over or making laws. No trans kid cares about what the person next to them looks like unless they want to emulate some aspect of their appearance.They're not even really getting naked, just changing their outer garments. I think most schools now have shower stalls where the kids get a little privacy. Communal showers are a thing of the past (thankfully).

REP

(21,691 posts)
34. The trans kid may not care
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 01:10 AM
Sep 2015

But bullies will. That's my point. Hetero, cis kids get bullied. Kids who "look" or "act" gay get bullied. LGBT kids get bullied. A trans kid with a non-gender conforming body really could use some back up in the form of knowing NO ONE gets bullied in the locker room.

Communal showers are still in existence in some schools in the US. Not all school districts have the money to revamp crap that works.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
37. I think we can all agree that the gym "teacher" that looks the other way
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 01:53 AM
Sep 2015

When bullying occurs is a crappy teacher. I'm just not sure of your point. I'm saying that anyone that identifies with a certain gender should be able to use that gender's lockerroom/bathroom and it is no big deal. What are you saying?

REP

(21,691 posts)
40. I'm saying that it's not the non-event you stated upthread
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:17 AM
Sep 2015

Adults may not care, but there's more to consider than innies and outlines when schools and kids are being discussed. Discrimination isn't the answer. Supervision is. (And male coaches aren't allowed in the girls' lockers.)

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
41. How did you know my fetish?
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:38 AM
Sep 2015
but there's more to consider than innies and outlines


Supervision in schools is fine and good. There should be more of it in the lockerroom. But why concentrate on that when we are trying to debate whether transgendered people should be able to use the bathroom of their identified gender? Normal people just don't care what someone is doing in the other stall. I don't think so, anyway. I never have.

REP

(21,691 posts)
39. Really! I never got pimples anywhere until I was in my 30s
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:13 AM
Sep 2015

And never on my boobs. Just one on my chin every 28 days.

I don't recall anyone I know ever complaining about boob pimples, either!

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
47. Since it was hidden, few saw them and it wasn't something to complain about but more privately embar
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 12:29 PM
Sep 2015

embarrassing. "Like, omg, I've got pimples on my boobs!!!!". Nope, more of a "oh crap" thing.

Tree-Hugger

(3,364 posts)
55. Lots of shame involved
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:40 PM
Sep 2015

Body acne plagues many women (and men) and is something they tend to keep hidden out of embarrassment. It's way more common than people think.

REP

(21,691 posts)
80. I've seen/heard of backne, assne, chestne, etc - just not on the actual boob
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:47 AM
Sep 2015

I have a very localized case of a specific form of hidradenitis suppurtiva, a number of precancerous skin growths and several bouts of cellulitis or MRSA, so I'm very familiar with skin conditions no one wants to see or discuss. Even in the hottest weather I wear long pants to cover the scarring on my legs.

Tree-Hugger

(3,364 posts)
81. It happens on the boob
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:51 AM
Sep 2015

I know because I get it and it's an issue I have been dealing with since I was a teenager (in my 30's) now. Males wearing certain shirts and swimwear difficult. I hear you on being covered up in hot weather.

 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
7. I often use whichever room is not in use.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:44 PM
Sep 2015

If it's a one holer.

I think we should be moving toward unisex restrooms.

We evolved beyond race-separated facilities, it's time we do the same with men/women/trans.

Response to HappyPlace (Reply #7)

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
8. Why have separate bathrooms/facilities at all?
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:53 PM
Sep 2015

If GENDER identification is a cause for using a different facility (and it absolutely should be!), and gender identification is not binary to begin with, then why try to fit into binary facilities? It's so...arbitrary.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
15. Because 99% of the population is binary
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:18 PM
Sep 2015

Of which half are women, and most women are not comfortable entering a bathroom where they know men might be lurking.

MtF trans persons should use the designated female bathroom, FtM trans should use the designated male bathroom. If it's just one or two single bathrooms, use the one that's available first.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
9. I believe the proper term is "transgender" not "transgenderED"
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:57 PM
Sep 2015

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm learning, too.

madville

(7,397 posts)
16. Should appearance factor in?
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:19 PM
Sep 2015

For example it could be uncomfortable to many in a female public restroom or locker room if a former male who now identifies as a woman but still maintains a male appearance and wardrobe uses those facilities.

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
20. When I had a buzz cut, jeans and flannel shirt covering my curves, should i have used the men's
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:44 PM
Sep 2015

room? No, I don't think that'd work though it is how some people are.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
86. The correct pronouns to use for a person is the pronouns that person wants you to use.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:32 PM
Sep 2015

I know, some people have a really hard time with the concept that a person has a right to determine his/her/zir own identity.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. Gender neutral restrooms across the board.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:00 PM
Sep 2015

Segregation of bodily waste elimination is ridiculous.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
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DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
23. Some people are wound too tight for public restrooms
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:56 PM
Sep 2015

It's just one more thing for the repressed to freak out about.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
24. For your amusement...
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:32 PM
Sep 2015

Here's a thread made a while ago about Austin making all single bathrooms gender neutral, holy shit did some posters go completely batshit on this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=876383

These are single bathrooms, not stalls, it was and is fucking ridiculous.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
38. Am I a horrible person if I worry that creepy men could hang out in women's restrooms
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:02 AM
Sep 2015

in highway rest stops, for example, without fear of consequence, because they can always claim to "identify as a female", under the rules that most here seem to favor?

Please don't think I'm bigoted. I have no problem with genuine transgender people using the restroom they identify with. But as a husband and a father of daughters I'm keenly aware that there are creepy, predatory males out there and I am not as sanguine as some about making it easier for them to prey on women in public restrooms.

LostOne4Ever

(9,267 posts)
43. Aren't there already laws against harassment of that nature?
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:01 AM
Sep 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Why would they bother pretending to be transgender if what they are doing is already illegal?

If they are just hang out in the restroom but not bothering anyone why should they be punished?

Personally I am for gender neutral restrooms with FULL private stalls. Then, you, as their father, could make sure no one bothers them.[/font]

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
49. So how would you propose enforcing your "genuine" rule?
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 03:37 PM
Sep 2015

Who decides which transgender person is genuine? The gender police?

Loitering in public bathrooms is already a crime in many states. It doesn't matter what your gender identification is. You can't do that.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
50. Medical documentation of surgery and/or hormone treatment could be required.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:00 PM
Sep 2015

For myself, as a guy I really don't care who uses which restroom. But I'm pretty sure women are safer if biological men with no medical history of being transgender are kept out of their restrooms.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
51. Really? So everyone who walks into a bathroom must do so with medical documentation in hand?
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:40 PM
Sep 2015

Or will the gender police "just know" which people to check?

I'm sorry, but I find your reasoning here massively offensive. Perhaps transgender people should just wear an armband that identifies them?

Tree-Hugger

(3,364 posts)
56. Do biological women need to carry papers, too?
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:46 PM
Sep 2015

How does one decide who is fit to enter a restroom without documentation and who isn't? Is there a certain feminity standard? What about women who - for reasons of personal style, genetics, endocrine issues, or whatever - don't fit into our cultures feminine ideal box? Plenty of hetero biological women out there who look stereotypically masculine. Would they need to provide documentation? A bloodied pad, perhaps?

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
67. Perhaps the state would have an Official Genital Inspector to settle this question.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:52 PM
Sep 2015

Yep, this proposal just keeps getting better and better!

Tree-Hugger

(3,364 posts)
76. Maybe we can get them to register
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 09:57 AM
Sep 2015

Then they can wear special armbands as identification.

<-_---- just in case

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
59. Who would be checking those papers and who do you think carries medical documentation of
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:54 PM
Sep 2015

their treatment? Are you seriously saying people who are transgender not only are required to have surgery and/or hormone treatment but also to carry documentation?

Seriously?

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
65. Oh, that wouldn't cause privacy problems.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:51 PM
Sep 2015

Nosiree, everyone processing trans people's personal medical records for the purpose of granting him/her/zir a Pee License would always be on the up and up, and there would never be abuses.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
68. Yes, a lot of them do.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:54 PM
Sep 2015

Tends to keep them from, you know, being assaulted and murdered, and disowned, and fired, and evicted. Not that you've shown the slightest sign of giving a shit about that.

Tree-Hugger

(3,364 posts)
77. Is that a serious question?
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 10:00 AM
Sep 2015

Are you aware of the struggles transgender people face in this country?

Somehow, I think you are.....

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
75. Trans people aren't going to use the facilities of their "new" gender unless they are
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 08:44 AM
Sep 2015

presenting as that gender.

As for requiring hormones, no, that's a load of baloney. Most will be on hormones by the time they do that, but it shouldn't be a requirement for a number of reasons. Some medically can't take hormones for example and others want to try out presenting as the opposite sex first.

As for surgery, just no. How dare you force a trans person to have surgery to fit your narrative of what man and woman are - not to mention not all can have the surgery medically, some can't afford it, and some don't want it (some are happy with the parts they have and tinkering with them can make them depressed or in rare cases the surgery can be a failure, leading to death or health problems - lack of orgasm, lack of bladder or bowel control, etc).

mainer

(12,013 posts)
82. Exactly. A genetic male who identifies as female and tries to appear female
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:53 AM
Sep 2015

should have no problem using women's restrooms. Most women wouldn't feel threatened by the Caitlin Jenners of the world.

I would feel threatened however if a man who looks like a man comes into my rest stop restroom at night and I'm the only woman in there.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
89. Yes and I know you understand this so I'm only pointing it out to those who don't know
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 06:09 PM
Sep 2015

but if a man who looks like a man is in your restroom, 99.9999% chance he's not an mtf trans woman, he's just a creeper who happens to be a cis man.

A trans woman is not going to go into the women's bathroom until she looks female.

mainer

(12,013 posts)
90. Yeah, I agree. I don't care if they still have a penis.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 06:50 PM
Sep 2015

I'm certainly not going to check. As long as they identify as female, and have made some attempt to look female, they can come into the women's restroom. I just don't want guys who look like guys coming in.

For as long as I can remember, I've had to escort my mother-in-law into public restrooms and stand guard outside her stall. She was so paranoid of being attacked that she wouldn't go into a public restroom alone. I suspect she was sexually abused sometime in her youth. If a man (who looked like a man) had come in, she would have been hysterical.

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
87. " How dare you force a trans person to have surgery to fit your narrative of what man and woman are"
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:14 PM
Sep 2015

Excellent, thank you.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
85. Here's the thing: predators aren't going to care whether or not it's "legal".
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:25 PM
Sep 2015

They could just as easily dress as a maintenance worker as a woman. Statistically, your daughters are far more likely to be assaulted by someone they--and you--know. If you're going to worry about them, I'd keep an eye on neighbors, coaches, teachers, people at church, etc.

LostOne4Ever

(9,267 posts)
44. Wow 96% support!
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:04 AM
Sep 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Faith in DU and in humanity greatly restored [/font]

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
45. Gender neutral bathrooms would be fine with me,
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:57 AM
Sep 2015

but it wouldn't be okay for a lot of people. Until America grows up, I think we should build extra bathrooms: male, female, and anybody. There usually aren't enough bathrooms to accommodate people in a lot of public areas, anyway. People who don't care would have an extra option when they go out, and besides, it would get the public used to the idea of gender neutral bathrooms.

Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Tree-Hugger

(3,364 posts)
58. Because transphobes and TERFs need ....
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:51 PM
Sep 2015

....something to be concerned about so they can work themselves into a lather.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
62. Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:44 PM
Sep 2015

In other words, feminists who are bigoted against trans people. They're the Westboro Baptist Church of feminism.

Tree-Hugger

(3,364 posts)
78. I think
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 10:04 AM
Sep 2015

Someone mention them in another post that expressed "concern" over transgender folks using bathrooms.

TERF's are a lot like MRAs. It would almost be hilarious if they were so fucking scary.

LostOne4Ever

(9,267 posts)
64. It is another word for assholes.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:50 PM
Sep 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Or more specifically trans exclusionary radical feminist.

Same thing basically.[/font]

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
63. New poll option: Because they forgot their bathroom license.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:48 PM
Sep 2015

Yes, in the other thread, a certain person is seriously proposing that in order to be able to pee in the bathroom of your gender identity, you would have to present papers to the bathroom cops. Letter from your psychologist (oh, that wouldn't cause privacy problems) would serve as documentation of gender identity.

Tree-Hugger

(3,364 posts)
79. Registration
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 10:06 AM
Sep 2015

They register with the government as transgender. The government can give them special patches or armbands (maybe bedazzled) so the rest of society can identify them.

I'm sure some people would think it's a brilliant idea.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
69. Whatever is clever but can we put an end to piss troughs?
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:55 PM
Sep 2015

Nothing quite like rolling into a long trough with ice in it. Yeeesh.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
72. Hi Uppity. This whole issue could be solved very easily.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:20 AM
Sep 2015

Unfortunately, some people can only find hatred and ways to hate others. If they can only see past their hatred and get educated on the matter they may find that the State issues ID and drivers license which are used for identification. Transgender people usually have to get a court order to get the name and sex changed on that identification. They must get a judge to see that they are under treatment, whether medically, psychological, or both, in order for this to happen. Sorry to rain on people's parade that only see a way to discriminate against part of the LGBT community.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
84. Women have been using men's restrooms for years
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:55 AM
Sep 2015

This fact has been witnessed by anyone who have been to multiple sporting events and concerts.

It should not be a big deal.

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