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I support our transgender brothers and sisters. nt. (Original Post) Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 OP
Me too. K & R (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #1
No you don't. Not by your actions here. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #3
As long as they're carrying the correct papers, right? yardwork Sep 2015 #4
+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #54
Bullshit. nt Codeine Sep 2015 #11
Oh, shutup. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #14
LOL, sure you do. City Lights Sep 2015 #17
Go piss up a gender segregated rope. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #18
Nope. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #22
What did I miss? randys1 Sep 2015 #26
Hope you have a strong stomach ... Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #61
Yeah, and we expect this level of immaturity from righty, lord knows they are randys1 Sep 2015 #66
Ick............... raven mad Sep 2015 #100
Only as long as they have the financial means to transition, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #23
I support single-payer health care Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #25
It doesn't exist now, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #29
The problem is, if no proof at all is required, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #32
Are you going to put JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #39
There is NO proof that any person is a woman, but for her word. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #49
Agreed Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #58
Uh huh Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #56
YOU arent willing to ALLOW that? randys1 Sep 2015 #64
Along with 50% of DU, based upon the poll results (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #65
Based on your push-poll with 100% transphobic options (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #69
As bad as this shit is here, it is sickening out in the con world. randys1 Sep 2015 #71
And? jeff47 Sep 2015 #73
Oh, all I am trying to do is respond without being silenced. My true feelings for these randys1 Sep 2015 #75
oops randys1 Sep 2015 #70
In a thread that has all of 1 - count it one - recommendation. n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #72
You are incorrect. nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #80
Your transphobic poll sucks. City Lights Sep 2015 #84
It was a push poll, and even then that's not how the results read gollygee Sep 2015 #103
What proof is currently required to enter a public restroom, regardless of who claims to be what? LanternWaste Sep 2015 #67
"are not willing to allow that." And how the fuck are you going to prevent it BIG man? n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #86
Who should show proof, what type and to whom before being allowed in a public restroom? uppityperson Sep 2015 #88
This. All of this. nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #55
Quite a lot of transgender individuals wouldn't have surgery if it were free. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #30
it doesnt exist now, and people vary in how much they need to transition physically La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #35
You are absolutely correct! JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #40
The Amazon original series "Transparent" should be required viewing for ALL Americans randys1 Sep 2015 #77
I will check that out Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #81
And carry the appropriate papers to show to an undetermined person. uppityperson Sep 2015 #85
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #31
+1. also what is with all the bathroom policing. i've been using women's bathrooms all my life La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #37
+2 Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #46
+3. the hidden post got it right. He should have been banned long ago. morningfog Sep 2015 #51
I stand with Hidden Post. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #74
Absolutely! nt City Lights Sep 2015 #83
Liar. morningfog Sep 2015 #50
Must be Opposite Day again. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #63
But only if they carry the proper papers, am I right? n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #76
I support our transgender brothers and sisters. nt. JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #2
Is there a thread here about Caitlin Jenner being against Gay Marriage? What an ass randys1 Sep 2015 #28
I don't know but JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #33
I missed whatever happened...? randys1 Sep 2015 #36
See reply #31 JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #41
This thread. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #45
I can't get over the idea JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #47
Absolutely agree Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #59
Oh yeah,I responded and just asked the OP to grow up, in essence. But I see you took a more randys1 Sep 2015 #62
Glad to be of service backscatter712 Sep 2015 #43
I thin you only wrote JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #44
Same here! MrScorpio Sep 2015 #5
Me too. n/t RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #6
Ditto demmiblue Sep 2015 #7
KICK AND REC!!! LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #8
I do too. Absolutely! nt City Lights Sep 2015 #9
DUers consistently support civil and human rights pinboy3niner Sep 2015 #10
Happy to K&R. bullwinkle428 Sep 2015 #12
We aswell JackInGreen Sep 2015 #13
You bet damnedifIknow Sep 2015 #15
And I find it depressing that I need to state that here. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #16
+1 nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #21
Indeed. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #79
For those we've lost... beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #19
Recommend. nt Zorra Sep 2015 #20
Yep. Indeed. mmonk Sep 2015 #24
I do as well. TDale313 Sep 2015 #27
I do too. Always have. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2015 #34
Same here! MoonRiver Sep 2015 #38
I too support our transgender brothers and sisters. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #42
Aaaaannnnd speaking of which... Zorra Sep 2015 #48
Apparently Skinner thinks that people like Nye Bevan need to be educated. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #52
I read Skinner's response too. cwydro Sep 2015 #57
I'm sorry, my patience is gone, when its the same group of posters, who Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #68
What in the world have I said to make you say that? cwydro Sep 2015 #92
There is no way to respectfully disagree with bigots, and you make things worse by admitting you... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #94
You must have me confused with someone else. cwydro Sep 2015 #95
I have a question, look at this post I made a while ago... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #96
Ah very good. Asking ME a question so cwydro Sep 2015 #97
This isn't my thread, also I don't know if you would hide a bigoted post or not, hence why I asked. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #99
I think it's this part: kcr Sep 2015 #104
wrong link, should end in a 2. uppityperson Sep 2015 #87
whoops, should have double checked my link. Thanks. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #90
Me too. azmom Sep 2015 #53
I do as well. Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #60
We're attending a transgender wedding this weekend Oilwellian Sep 2015 #78
Certain posts Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #82
Exactly, also similar to those who reference "urban culture", "thugs" and other coded... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #91
Of course. uppityperson Sep 2015 #89
Me too. Sorry it took me so long to say so on this thread Cal Carpenter Sep 2015 #93
Don't feel bad, I got one too for calling out a person Rex Sep 2015 #98
Me too libodem Sep 2015 #101
I support the right for a person to use the restroom of their gender. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #102
IN SOLIDARITY WITH MY LGBT BROTHERS AND SISTERS Skittles Sep 2015 #105
Agreed! DemocraticWing Sep 2015 #106
Same here! lovemydog Sep 2015 #107

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
4. As long as they're carrying the correct papers, right?
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 07:23 AM
Sep 2015

You support transgender people if they have "proven" that they are transgender by having hormone treatments, surgery, and anything else you happen to think essential in order to verify their transgender status. And after they show the correct papers to the bathroom police, they might be allowed to use a public bathroom. As long as some random guy isn't worried about what his daughter will feel about it.

That's what I learned from your little poll thread.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
66. Yeah, and we expect this level of immaturity from righty, lord knows they are
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:12 PM
Sep 2015

basically children in adult bodies, but around here it is important we try and educate and enlighten those less endowed.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
100. Ick...............
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 07:24 PM
Sep 2015

Glad I missed it!

I wish everyone here could have been at Sandi (nee Alexander, now Sandra) and Barry's wedding - she made a beautiful bride, and her mom, a Methodist minister, married them in an indoor by-the-fireplace wedding. And yes, Sandi wore a beautiful white gown.

She was a disabled Marine (Gulf War I). Barry was (then) Racemaster for the Yukon Quest. Sandi died last year, and I miss her down to my soul.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
23. Only as long as they have the financial means to transition,
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:14 AM
Sep 2015

and choose to meet your standards of what constitutes a "proper" transgender person (i.e. they choose to outwardly transition by seeking medical assistance, hormones, and/or counseling, and have the financial means to do so.)

If trans* individuals, and the people closest to them, are telling you that your actions are not supportive, that should be a clue that you are not really supportive. Sort of like the boy scout dragging the old woman kicking and screaming back across the street she'd just crossed because he thinks it might be helpful.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
25. I support single-payer health care
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:18 AM
Sep 2015

and that would include free transitioning for transgender individuals.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
29. It doesn't exist now,
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:28 AM
Sep 2015

Aside from which it is incredibly offensive for you to suggest that there should be a third party litmus test for when someone is trans enough not to be a rapist in disguise.

Even if your hope for a single-payer health care system arises AND transition care is covered, no woman (cis or trans) should have to choose to match your definition of what a female body looks like or prove they are a woman to be entitled to use the women's restroom. Some trans individuals choose not to take a single step toward making their bodies match your definition of what a female body looks like and don't want or need counseling. They are every bit as trans as women who undergo hormone blocking prior to puberty, take hormones, have FFS, and/or GRS.

Support for health care and transition support is not the same as supporting trans* individuals. If you truly support trans* individuals, listen to what trans* people, and those who love them, are telling you about whether what you are doing is supportive.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
32. The problem is, if no proof at all is required,
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:35 AM
Sep 2015

you are effectively allowing any man to enter any women's restroom at any time (because he can always claim to identify as a female). And I and many other DUers are not willing to allow that.

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
39. Are you going to put
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:46 AM
Sep 2015

vagina recognition cameras in all public restroom stalls that we ladies have to flash in order to not have the police come break down the doors?

I'm trying to figure out how you intend to make this NOT happen?

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
49. There is NO proof that any person is a woman, but for her word.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:15 PM
Sep 2015

Bodies vary tremendously, even among individuals designated female at birth. And I have a number of trans* friends who have chosen not to alter their bodies or take hormones. Refusing alteration that is not medically necessary has no more impact on whether they are women (or, in some cases men) than refusing to have a breast implant after a mastectomy does.

Transwomen should not be subjected to harassment and purity checks because of a fearmongering suggestion that posting a "no men allowed" sign will magically keep men who are intent on raping, stalking, etc. out of women's bathrooms. There are laws against raping, stalking, etc. already. Use them.

Not to mention that there are already plenty of purity checks going on now that make going to the bathroom in public places (at a minimum) a burden and (at worst) a place of violence for ciswomen who are gender nonconforming, or even transwomen taking hormones who have had SRS who don't meet traditional standards of female beauty. What you are suggesting creates a license to demand a body check for anyone not deemed feminine enough.

Tree-Hugger

(3,364 posts)
58. Agreed
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:53 PM
Sep 2015

Such a suggestion is highly offensive to cis women as well.

How does one prove that a woman is a woman prior to bathroom use?

Tree-Hugger

(3,364 posts)
56. Uh huh
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:50 PM
Sep 2015

What about biological women who do not look like our culture's definition of feminity? What then? Do they have to prove they are female enough to pee with your approval?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
64. YOU arent willing to ALLOW that?
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:11 PM
Sep 2015

I wish people would grow up and get over all this childishness about the human body.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
73. And?
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:26 PM
Sep 2015

Just because disease-infested fetid swamps exist does not mean I have to be happy living in not-quite-as-fetid swamp.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
75. Oh, all I am trying to do is respond without being silenced. My true feelings for these
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:28 PM
Sep 2015

people is extreme anger.

Were I to respond "appropriately" to all the racists and homophobic assholes on DU I would be gone instantly.

So I am responding in ways to sort of get my point across but hopefully in a way that I cant be silenced.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
70. oops
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:22 PM
Sep 2015

dont wanna get banned

I have been warned, i know there is a group trying to do exactly that

so I will not be allowed to confront bigoted homohphobes

City Lights

(25,171 posts)
84. Your transphobic poll sucks.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:58 PM
Sep 2015

I won't vote in it, so don't go pretending that "50% of DU" agrees with you.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
103. It was a push poll, and even then that's not how the results read
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 08:27 PM
Sep 2015

A great number of people refused to answer, but even beyond that a lot of people answered the other question or "chose not to answer" in opposition to your other ridiculous choices.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
67. What proof is currently required to enter a public restroom, regardless of who claims to be what?
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:14 PM
Sep 2015

What proof is currently required to enter a public restroom, regardless of who claims to be what?

No proof currently required?
Then you are, by its very definition, holding two demographics to two wholly different standards. There is a word for that...

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
88. Who should show proof, what type and to whom before being allowed in a public restroom?
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:08 PM
Sep 2015

I think you are saying everyone should have to show their genitals to a door guard in order to enter a restroom. Of course those who don't look like a stereotypical female would have to show also, right?

Seriously? WTF.


 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
30. Quite a lot of transgender individuals wouldn't have surgery if it were free.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:30 AM
Sep 2015

HRT, oophorectomy/orchiectomy, yes, GRS, no (for various reasons including loss of sensation and non-functional outcomes, for trans men, and the need to dilate one's neo-vagina for the rest of one's life, for trans women, so it doesn't close up, and a significant number of potential complications like fistulae). The idea that trans people need to have bottom surgery to be accepted is cisnormative nonsense. (NB that surgery is not a requirement for legal change of gender in most of Europe and in some US states.)

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
35. it doesnt exist now, and people vary in how much they need to transition physically
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:43 AM
Sep 2015

to feel comfortable in their gender.

who left you in charge in determining how much someone else needs to go through the physical process to determine their gender?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
77. The Amazon original series "Transparent" should be required viewing for ALL Americans
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:34 PM
Sep 2015

It took a strong male character actor with the chops of Jeff Tambor to get me to see just how real and important this issue is.

I had no real experience or knowledge before watching that other than I knew I supported these folks as I do all minorities and the LGBTQIA community, etc. but watching HANK from The Larry Sanders Show become this person was really something for me, made me see the people behind these stories in a new way.

It is one thing to say we support this or that group of people and like with Black people my support is unconditional and complete, but I have no clue as does any white person what is is to be Black, as I have no clue what it is to be a Woman trapped in a man's body etc.

Tree-Hugger

(3,364 posts)
81. I will check that out
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:50 PM
Sep 2015

I haven't heard of that series. I am very behind on the entertainment world and am rarely aware of all that's out there in terms of movies and series. I'm going to see if I can view Transparent.

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #1)

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
37. +1. also what is with all the bathroom policing. i've been using women's bathrooms all my life
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:45 AM
Sep 2015

and have yet to be threatened by one of this scary 'dudes pretending to be female'. this is a completely made up controversy to justify and existing bigotry

randys1

(16,286 posts)
36. I missed whatever happened...?
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:43 AM
Sep 2015

Who whooped which rightwinger pretending to be a liberal on DU and over what?

I can figure out who was whooped but I guess I need a link to the thread where it all started.

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
47. I can't get over the idea
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:04 PM
Sep 2015

That I would have to flash my vagina to a complete stranger when I gotta pee! I mean - either a camera or a human being. Isn't that what would have to happen in this sick WOMEN HATING fantasy.

That's seriously sick and shows a complete total lack of respect for women.

So at this point it's just hatred towards women wrapped up in a REALLY UGLY box.

Everything about it is 'sick'.

Tree-Hugger

(3,364 posts)
59. Absolutely agree
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:00 PM
Sep 2015

It's absolutely twisted than an individual would expect women to submit to some sort of test that proves they possess the proper amount of femininity in order to use the bathroom. Who determines which women are chosen to prove credentials? Is it all off us? Do I need to yank out my diva cup to prove I bleed?

What about cis women with short hair, flat chests, and gender neutral clothing? Will they need to submit to some type of pre-potty femininity test in order to pee?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
62. Oh yeah,I responded and just asked the OP to grow up, in essence. But I see you took a more
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:10 PM
Sep 2015

direct approach

Immaturity is at the core of almost all issues.

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
44. I thin you only wrote
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:56 AM
Sep 2015

What an awful lot of us have been thinking.

Me - I take the -

Ask an honest question approach!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
10. DUers consistently support civil and human rights
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 08:46 AM
Sep 2015

Among those we've lost, blondeatlast was one of our champions on these issues.

God, I still miss her!

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,272 posts)
34. I do too. Always have.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:41 AM
Sep 2015

What I've learned on du is how to be more supportive and respectful.

My first boyfriend once told me - "be kind to transgender people. You think we have it hard? Multiply it times 10"

We used the T-word back then. Not ever thinking about it or knowing any better. That's how our transgender friends we met out and about referred to themselves. Now, out of respect, and a little growing up, we don't use that term.

We learn as we go.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
48. Aaaaannnnd speaking of which...
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:13 PM
Sep 2015

Just got this!

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 19:55:38 -0700
Subject: Human Rights Ordinance
From: pflagsedona@gmail.com

I am proud to report that this evening the Sedona City Council unanimously approved the following Human Rights Ordinance:

"It is declared to be the policy for the citizens of the City of Sedona, Arizona, to be free from discrimination in public accommodations, employment, and housing, and contrary to public policy and unlawful to discriminate against any person on the basis of race, color, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion, national origin, marital status, familial status, age, disability, or veteran status, in places of public accommodation, employment, and housing; and contrary to the policy of the City and unlawful for vendors and contractors doing business with the City to discriminate, as set forth in this chapter."

Please be sure to thank them for their careful and thoughtful study and conclusion on this most important issue.

Best Regards,
***********
PFLAG Sedona/Verde Valley


 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
52. Apparently Skinner thinks that people like Nye Bevan need to be educated.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:21 PM
Sep 2015

Last edited Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:12 PM - Edit history (1)

Wish I were joking, but then again, I probably shouldn't be too surprised either. Is this Donnie McClurkin part deux?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598612

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
57. I read Skinner's response too.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:52 PM
Sep 2015

I don't think he was only referring to Nye Bevan. It seemed to me that he was making the point that there are many on DU who still don't understand the transgender issue. Posts like the one Nye Bevan posted, however you feel about it, open up a discussion, which is why this board is here - for discussion. Some may benefit from the ensuing education through discussion. That was my take on his comment.

Whether people think Nye Bevan has some ulterior motive for posting his/her threads or not, I just wish posters would not feel the need to be so ugly. "Go f*** yourself" comments simply make the poster saying that look immature and incapable of disagreeing without being utterly disagreeable.

Stupid and counterproductive too because those posts are inevitably hidden. And no, cussing someone out doesn't make one look like a tough guy.

I seldom vote to hide posts when in jury, but I don't hesitate to vote to hide those type posts, no matter who says it or what it's in response to.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
68. I'm sorry, my patience is gone, when its the same group of posters, who
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:18 PM
Sep 2015

do shit like purposely misgender the transgender, keep bringing up "bathroom security issues" even when the OP and topic had nothing to do with that, call the transgender delusional, etc. When they do that, repeatedly, over periods of months or years, and the posts just slide by because the poster needs to be "educated" rather than disciplined, that is a huge problem.

In fact, I would say that you, personally, are making this board worse and not a welcome place for transgender individuals. Are you proud of that?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
92. What in the world have I said to make you say that?
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:59 PM
Sep 2015

I haven't even commented except very briefly on this subject. I'm a gay woman, and you are very much mistaken if you think I have a problem with transgender folks.

Please show me where I have made transgender folks unwelcome here.

Secondly, I don't keep tabs on "groups of posters" who may be harping on the same subject, so excuse me for not knowing if some "group" has got you all nettled up about something. I rarely remember who responds to me or to whom I respond at any time.

I don't like bullies and I don't like the gang ups that so many here seem to enjoy. I respond to many threads, but have no alliances with anyone.

Accuse me of whatever you want. I find you very rude. I just wish people didn't get so damn hostile to each other all the time here. No one knows how to just respectfully discuss and disagree.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
94. There is no way to respectfully disagree with bigots, and you make things worse by admitting you...
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 03:07 PM
Sep 2015

not likely to vote to hide one of their posts. But if someone drops an f-bomb, that's a cause for a hide? But that person who repeatedly misgenders transgender people, or say they don't want to share a bathroom with them, well they get the benefit of a doubt. Please, don't fake innocence here, if your judgement is that bad, do us all a favor and excuse yourself from the jury pool.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
95. You must have me confused with someone else.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 03:15 PM
Sep 2015

I never said I would not hide a bigoted post, and I have hidden them in the past.

I have no idea what you are talking about here. But you really should take a deep breath.

You're out of line making these false accusations against me. WAY out of line.

Again, SHOW me where I said I would NOT hide a bigoted post? Nope. You won't find it.

All I have said is that I WILL hide posts that are personal attacks, and I'm pretty sure the admins would agree with that policy. Personal attacks make DU suck.

Not sure why you've got such a mad-on with me, but you know nothing about me.

I take jury duty seriously and judge each case on its merits. I don't vote to hide posts from posters I don't care for (looks like you've joined that very short list) just because I don't care for them. And I have voted to hide posts from posters I like if I feel the alert is justified.

You have a nice day now since I know you cannot show me a post from me saying I would not hide a bigoted post. And I don't know what you mean by one of "their" posts because I don't know who "they" are. Perhaps you keep dossiers on posters here.

I don't.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
96. I have a question, look at this post I made a while ago...
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 03:24 PM
Sep 2015

Look at the links I embedded in it, would any of those been worthy of a hide?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026332913

More recently, would posts such as this, or this be worthy of a hide?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
97. Ah very good. Asking ME a question so
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 03:41 PM
Sep 2015

that YOU do not have to answer the one I asked.

You could not find a post where I said I would not hide a bigoted post. All I said is that I WILL hide personal attacks. I don't care if someone "drops an f-bomb" as you so eloquently put it. I DO care when someone attacks another DUer. The attack might not even be profane, but if it is nasty and personal, I will hide it. Most jurors do. Look at the jury results on that one poster who continued to attack another poster. It's not just me who dislikes personal attacks.

I'm not going to sit here clicking on all your links, nor would I judge any post that has not been alerted.

I've kicked your thread quite enough. You've been extremely rude to me for no apparent reason, and you won't apologize for making untrue accusations. So I've no wish to interact with you further.

Yes, it IS possible to disagree politely with bigots. Rosa Parks did it, Martin Luther King Jr. did it, Maya Angelou did it, Lyndon Johnson did it...I could go on. I'm sorry you weren't taught that it is possible to disagree without being nasty.

Reason will triumph in the end, but profanity and nasty personal attacks simply push people away.

Good evening.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
99. This isn't my thread, also I don't know if you would hide a bigoted post or not, hence why I asked.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 04:02 PM
Sep 2015

You claim you wouldn't but that's really in the eye of the beholder, people's prejudices color their positions all the time, so I was trying to figure yours out.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
104. I think it's this part:
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 08:39 PM
Sep 2015

"I seldom vote to hide posts when in jury, but I don't hesitate to vote to hide those type posts, no matter who says it or what it's in response to."

I have agree with the poster you're responding to. If you aren't going to hide bigoted posts, but are going to hide the responses to them because you don't think they're civil, that's a problem. I think that's a big part of the problem of the jury system.

Tree-Hugger

(3,364 posts)
60. I do as well.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:04 PM
Sep 2015

Thank God I was raised well. I've never been able to wrap my head around the hatred and exclusion of people based on gender, race, sexual orientation, religion, culture, etc.

Tree-Hugger

(3,364 posts)
82. Certain posts
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:53 PM
Sep 2015

Certain posts in these threads remind me of klansmen or white supremicists who say crap like, "we don't hate black people, we just don't want them mixing with whites "

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
91. Exactly, also similar to those who reference "urban culture", "thugs" and other coded...
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:16 PM
Sep 2015

language. Its dog-whistle politics, think Cadillac driving welfare queens.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
93. Me too. Sorry it took me so long to say so on this thread
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 03:04 PM
Sep 2015

but my *ahem* vehement support last night got me a little time out.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
98. Don't feel bad, I got one too for calling out a person
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 03:55 PM
Sep 2015

that called 11 million dead jews - Foxnews viewers. Sometimes we see such outragous bullshit, we have to step up and say something. Even if it costs us.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
102. I support the right for a person to use the restroom of their gender.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 07:51 PM
Sep 2015

A great way to solve this is to have family and gender neutral restrooms become the norm.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
106. Agreed!
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 04:22 AM
Sep 2015

Trans people should be allowed a safe place to pee, in the bathroom of any gender they feel comfortable identifying as, whether or not transphobic DUers have checked their pants and papers first.

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