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Milliesmom

(493 posts)
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:40 AM Sep 2015

Scientists Are About To Resurrect A 30,000-Year-Old Virus “To Discover If It Is Harmful To Humans”

A ‘monster’ virus which has lain dormant in the frozen wastelands of northeastern Russia is about to be resurrected by researchers curious of its potential effects.



http://www.trueactivist.com/scientists-are-about-to-resurrect-a-30000-year-old-virus-to-discover-if-it-is-harmful-to-humans/


Are they kidding us, what?? This is scary stuff!

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Scientists Are About To Resurrect A 30,000-Year-Old Virus “To Discover If It Is Harmful To Humans” (Original Post) Milliesmom Sep 2015 OP
Science Bad!! CBGLuthier Sep 2015 #1
Potential weapon, they always want weapons. LeftOfWest Sep 2015 #2
The permafrost in the Russian tundra is pretty much destined to melt at this point. Lyric Sep 2015 #3
I read many years ago that scientists had discovered live tuberculosis bacilli in Cal33 Sep 2015 #6
Absolutely agreed. Thank you for the post. Xyzse Sep 2015 #11
Totally agree. If we do not study it and the permafrost melts jwirr Sep 2015 #23
Doesn't scare me. I'm excited to live in the age of science. Nailzberg Sep 2015 #4
Better to do it in the lab and find out TexasProgresive Sep 2015 #5
It's only scary stuff for the ignorant FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #7
I'm still recovering from the Moon bombing. Bonx Sep 2015 #22
Fantastic! This is called learning. Codeine Sep 2015 #8
Commie Zombies!! Whiskeytide Sep 2015 #9
Sometimes I love science. And sometimes... Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #10
That is a story that has been exaggerated by your linked source. MineralMan Sep 2015 #12
"true activist" sounds like a real legit place to get information from snooper2 Sep 2015 #13
It's a clickbait site, full of hypberbole written by MineralMan Sep 2015 #15
I've seen enough "Doctor Who" episodes to know that this might not be a good idea (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #14
Uh, Doctor Who is a fictional television show with MineralMan Sep 2015 #16
That's what Star Trek is for! Glassunion Sep 2015 #19
urrite! But the Walking Dead is right also lunatica Sep 2015 #25
Zombie Apocolypse incoming! n/t Calista241 Sep 2015 #17
The scientific version of Runningdawg Sep 2015 #18
Again people fear what they don't understand and that site tries to monopolize on that... yawnmaster Sep 2015 #20
Ohnoes! Sky Falling!!! Everybody Panic!!! Glassunion Sep 2015 #21
The mystery of the Walking Dead plague solved! lunatica Sep 2015 #24
Well, it's organic, so it must be good Orrex Sep 2015 #26
Science is not for pussies... TlalocW Sep 2015 #27

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
1. Science Bad!!
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:50 AM
Sep 2015

We either study and learn how to fight things like it or we can wallow in our ignorance and fear and get killed by something like it.

 

LeftOfWest

(482 posts)
2. Potential weapon, they always want weapons.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:10 AM
Sep 2015

always.

scary stuff indeed, thanks for this post

Lyric

(12,678 posts)
3. The permafrost in the Russian tundra is pretty much destined to melt at this point.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:48 AM
Sep 2015

Viruses are not "alive" in the same way as other living things; they are basically just a bundle of DNA. They have no organs or cells, they don't breathe, eat, or excrete, and they only "reproduce" by commanding the cells of other organisms to manufacture more viruses.

It's entirely plausible that this virus is still very much "alive" (i.e., able to infect other organisms) out there, even after being frozen for this long. It might be all over the permafrost layer, for all we know. To me it seems much better to study this thing now in a tightly controlled environment, so we can prepare for it (maybe even create a vaccine), than to risk it being released into the "wild" far and wide by climate change-related permafrost melt, and having a global pandemic of a virus we know absolutely nothing about.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
6. I read many years ago that scientists had discovered live tuberculosis bacilli in
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 08:20 AM
Sep 2015

ancient Egyptian mummies. TB bacilli are tough germs, and these were no longer
able to cause disease in living humans. But bacilli are of a higher order than
viruses. They do have organelles, etc. and can multiply on their own. Viruses
are more primitive. They use the organelles of the host cells they have invaded
in order to function and multiply.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
23. Totally agree. If we do not study it and the permafrost melts
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:02 PM
Sep 2015

we will have a full blown epidemic on our hands with no idea what can be done about it.

On the other hand - it is still scary.

Nailzberg

(4,610 posts)
4. Doesn't scare me. I'm excited to live in the age of science.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:15 AM
Sep 2015

We face the possibility with climate change, rising temps, ancient ice and tundra thaw, of viruses from the past revitalizing in the wild - leaving us years behind knowing anything about them. If we're discovering these now, we should research them now, because we can't know if they'll remain dormant for long.

First we should find out if this is a harmful virus. I'm guess no. Just based on: we survived and the virus is a Popsicle. But I'll leave it for researchers to determine. If its harmful, a vaccine can developed in case we ever need it.

Second, let's say it is harmless. Then we observe the properties of the virus. It could be harmless to us, yet lethal to some other viruses. Or be an ideal genetic host for a virus-killer gene to be stitched into. There's been some good research into using a hosted virus to kill HIV, for example. I think they're studying different certain forms of leukemia for that style treatment, too.

Science this thing. If its deadly, we got the head start. If its not, maybe we can use it. The worst thing we can do is not investigate it.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
8. Fantastic! This is called learning.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 10:17 AM
Sep 2015

The ignorant and science-phobic will just have to cope.

MineralMan

(151,198 posts)
12. That is a story that has been exaggerated by your linked source.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 10:32 AM
Sep 2015

The reality is that the virus has already been resurrected, as you can learn at the link below:

http://www.nature.com/news/giant-virus-resurrected-from-30-000-year-old-ice-1.14801

Unlike your link, this is an actual science publication link to an actual scientific journal. Nature is a well-respected journal that presents scientific information in language lay readers can easily understand. In that link, you will learn that this type of virus typically infects amoebas, which is how they found it, by using amoebas as bait. The likelihood that it will be dangerous to humans is almost nonexistent.

I encourage you to avoid linking to websites like the one you used. Instead, when you find such a hyperbolic, click-bait link, you do a Google search and look for a legitimate scientific link, such as the one I provided above. That way, you will avoid overstated and inaccurately presented fear-mongering stories about scientific research.

Thank you for your attention.

MineralMan

(151,198 posts)
15. It's a clickbait site, full of hypberbole written by
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 10:45 AM
Sep 2015

writers who like to expand on actual information by adding inflammatory speculations. Any story there should be checked in the legitimate science media before posting on DU. In fact, stories from this clickbait site shouldn't be posted as factual information. Instead, a Google search will lead to trustworthy sources on the same subject, without the speculative nonsense.

MineralMan

(151,198 posts)
16. Uh, Doctor Who is a fictional television show with
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 10:46 AM
Sep 2015

a science fiction theme. It's interesting and entertaining, but is not a source of factual information, as I'm sure you know.

Runningdawg

(4,664 posts)
18. The scientific version of
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:30 PM
Sep 2015

Here- Hold my beer and watch this.
What usually follows is stupidity beyond belief and either and ambulance or a body bag.

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
20. Again people fear what they don't understand and that site tries to monopolize on that...
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:53 PM
Sep 2015

this is a viable virus in nature. should it not be understood, especially since more are likely to become uncovered?

And the research on this particular virus has already been done and it does not infect human cells.

would one rather find out a newly discovered virus infects humans only after it has infected a human in an uncontrolled environment? (not just a human cell in a plate).

Orrex

(67,084 posts)
26. Well, it's organic, so it must be good
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:08 PM
Sep 2015

Thank god it's not some evil GMO, because then we'd have real trouble.

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