Mon Dec 26, 2011, 10:41 AM

Adults that spoil kids aggravate me

My goodness, I never cease to be amazed at how some parents think their kids are God's answer to the planet. This applies mostly (I'd say almost exclusively) to the parents that have the brattiest kids on the planet.

Yesterday I had to spend some time with one of these kids because the mother felt that her child is so delightful, that surely all adults WANTED to have her child in their midst interrupting everything the adults said, and trying to break everything in the house and filthy it up. The adults wanted to make a run for it. That kid was loud, boisterous, not particularly bright, and (as if all the rest were not enough), NOT fascinating in the least. What the mom felt was grown up behavior on her child's part was merely a tremendous capacity for being obnoxious and unpleasant.

However, this mom was oohing and aahing about her kid (heck, who else was going to ooh and aah for this walking, talking obnoxia?), and trying to elicit our oohs and aahs, which were not forthcoming. I plastered what I refer to as, 'the look of the insane' smile on my face and pretended I was a robot. No oohs and aahs would come from me.

Why do parents (GENERALLY MOMS) inflict this on other adults? These moms behave as if they wanted to be your friend, but then by golly, they're HELL-BENT on you loving their bratty, spoiled kid. I think these moms don't really want to have friends. They just want to have an AUDIENCE for their bratty kids.

Since I'm on a rant about adults that do this, here's a tiny list of these adults that aggravate me. Let me know if any of you out there agree with me on this:

-Parents that include their kids in everything, adult conversations, bring kids to your dinner that you’ve made very clear is a grown ups dinner, etc.

-Parents that allow their kids to interrupt conversations between them and another adult

-Parents that allow the kids to run and answer the phone every time and waste your time talking trash, when the reason you called is to talk to the adult, not entertain the kid

-Parents that allow their kids to sit and listen to adult conversations

-Parents that bring their kids into the office and don’t keep them from bugging the heck out of you

-Parents that stop a whole huge line at the supermarket or anywhere at all because they want their child to talk to the employee taking orders or checking out

-Parents that bring kids to your house and let them make a frikkin’ mess everywhere and touch every single thing, even BREAK your things.

-Parents that insist on their kids performing for you, and are seeking for you to applaud like a trained seal no matter how horrific the performance was

-Parents that go on for endless hours about their kids’ accomplishments

-Parents that side with their kids against teachers and, well, just about everybody

-Parents that let their kids behave and run like animals through stores

-Parents that behave as if their kid were God's answer to the world, and insist you acknowledge that

WAKE UP, PARENTS! STOP TRYING TO GET ME TO ADORE YOUR KIDS!

Okay, now that I got that out of my system, all I want to add is that I think treating kids like some sort of perfect beings, or royalty, and putting them first 24/7 is the perfect recipe for creating narcissistic and perhaps sociopathic adults.

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661 replies	Author	Time	Post
Adults that spoil kids aggravate me (Original post)	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	OP
Also, they need to stay off my grass.	Robb	Dec 2011	#1
LOL! I'm with you there. These parents think our property belongs to their KIDS! nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#2
Children should be seen, but not heard.	Robb	Dec 2011	#8
To add: sometimes they behave	Robb	Dec 2011	#33
People are coming into your house without your permission?	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#462
I taught for 27 years and I wish I could relate to you all the parental bitching	roguevalley	Dec 2011	#259
You made a very good point. Parents of brats are often narcissistic,	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#267
hmph	chervilant	Dec 2011	#337
W is an excellent example of a BRAT that grew up without anyone stopping his stupid behavior nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#426
Heh	Dorian Gray	Dec 2011	#360
Could you tell us how you really feel about spoiled children?	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#3
LOL! I guess it showed? :) nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#4
This time of year is especially prone	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#12
:) I don't mind kids, but oh my gosh, there's nothing worse than a brat!	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#15
I'd rather be around a bratty kid than a drunk adult.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#181
As someone who has worked at nightclubs and a sunday school class... I'll second that. n/t	musicblind	Jan 2012	#655
I'm a mom...	CoffeeCat	Dec 2011	#318
I've been one for over 20 years and I agree -- the only child I've ever seen	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#327
I have to say I agree with you	tavalon	Dec 2011	#369
I haven't seen it often, but I've seen it	onpatrol98	Dec 2011	#377
Not to mention the highly popular 'spoiled brat epidemic' meme circulating amongst the hard right.	AverageJoe90	Dec 2011	#437
IMO the number of rotten kids with rotten parents are greatly exaggerated.	Odin2005	Dec 2011	#541
Then you have been most fortunate.	JNelson6563	Dec 2011	#591
You correctly identified the parents as the problem.	DevonRex	Dec 2011	#180
This is true. And kids only learn what they see, hear, are taught from their surroundings, and what	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#202
No, they are not blank slates.	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#455
LOL	Mr Dixon	Dec 2011	#365
Do you have kids?	trumad	Dec 2011	#5
You caught me there. Nope. I chose at 20-ish to NOT have kids.	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#18
I ask because sometimes having kids changes perceptions about how kids act.	trumad	Dec 2011	#21
True. Anyone can have kids. That's one incredibly scary thing! nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#24
Well, not everyone.	Ilsa	Dec 2011	#252
If you don't have kids, then you really don't have	liberalhistorian	Dec 2011	#48
So, I have a child and I agree with her	Confusious	Dec 2011	#67
Did you read her whole post? She mixes up misbehavior and perfectly normal behavior	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#105
I can think of a couple of cirumstances that would not be normal	Confusious	Dec 2011	#130
Of course there are circumstances where children don't belong.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#308
Your post makes no sense	Confusious	Dec 2011	#546
I'm not sure what my point is. but --	emcguffie	Dec 2011	#648
That was one part I did not understand. When I was young	Maraya1969	Dec 2011	#150
It never bothered me when my friends' children thought our conversation was interesting enough	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#306
Exactly	Dorian Gray	Dec 2011	#361
"Parents that allow their kids to sit and listen to adult conversations " is ok with you? Since you	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#108
Sometimes conversations should only be between adults	Confusious	Dec 2011	#132
I doubt "on everything" but agree, we do learn from our parent's mistakes	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#134
I was being hyperbolic	Confusious	Dec 2011	#136
I agree. There are adults that just don't understand why everyone is avoiding them, and it's	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#204
I think the kid who bothers to answer the phone -- rather than sending the adults	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#336
No adult should be forced to participate in the upbringing of other kids.	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#459
Okay, but on Christmas?	CreekDog	Dec 2011	#240
To little information to determine	Confusious	Dec 2011	#254
We do know it was Christmas, and what loving parent would leave their child	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#338
I would have stayed home as a kid	Confusious	Dec 2011	#545
ah if it wasn't dinner that would change things?	CreekDog	Dec 2011	#353
And?	Confusious	Dec 2011	#544
Clearly THIS family with THIS child didn't do that.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#562
My father probably would have stayed home	Confusious	Dec 2011	#575
I'm not. I'm invested in defending parents who do normal things	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#579
The OP implied that children are spoiled who EVER do that. n/t	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#316
I agree completely. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#200
I think her OP was pretty clear about the difference between parents in general and rude ones	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Dec 2011	#68
"Parents that allow their kids to sit and listen to adult conversations" is about a rude child?	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#90
I assumed "adult conversations" would be something about someone having a drinking problem....	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Dec 2011	#158
I assumed "adult conversations" were conversations between adults. In which case I'd let my	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#160
There's nothing wrong as long as those conversations don't take a dark turn	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Dec 2011	#164
Exactly. And if a child insists on remaining with the adults, the adults are held to a child	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#401
The rule at our house was "Keep quiet unless you know something about the subject."	eridani	Dec 2011	#198
The problem is that many think they know something when they don't know a thing.	kwassa	Dec 2011	#234
Agreed, (and that would eliminate some on this thread from speaking of children.)	11 Bravo	Dec 2011	#470
I'm guessing the kid didn't want to hear her interpretation of the Kama Sutra either	CreekDog	Dec 2011	#241
Really? Even if the conversation was for adults, like your friend's sex life issues?	onion belt	Dec 2011	#436
Not gonna argue with a poster who's posting privl has been revoked. Esp not one	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#469
I don't think you read her checklist carefully. Not all her points are reasonable.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#184
Then the feeling is mutual. I don't want to be around a person who thinks children	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#339
well the fact that the people without kids have to deal with your kids	ThomThom	Dec 2011	#75
Childless people are more oft than not	MattBaggins	Dec 2011	#125
Idiot parents.	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#129
they've ruined dinners for me and your logic has a big hole in it	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#153
Not true.	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#156
"Parents that allow their kids to sit and listen to adult conversations" is noisily, badly behaved	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#157
You didn't read my post.	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#163
I'd forgotten all about how some parents allowed their kids to ruin an eating-out experience for	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#207
Yes, but no one is posting repeated OPs about rude adults.	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#549
Not all children misbehave at restaurants, and not all adults do, either.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#330
idiot parents	irisblue	Dec 2011	#149
Haughty childless people, of course.	liberalhistorian	Dec 2011	#173
I'm your worst nightmare	Missy Vixen	Dec 2011	#179
If you consider children a "hobby" then it's best that you don't	liberalhistorian	Dec 2011	#183
Bravo! Well Said, LibHist. (n/t)	Paladin	Dec 2011	#247
thank you, very good.	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#256
Nice to know you have no respect for those who care for your child	Missy Vixen	Dec 2011	#424
Bravo!	onpatrol98	Dec 2011	#568
Well said!	Spazito	Dec 2011	#602
Thanks! Maybe parents of ill-behaved kids are the most angry at those of us who refused to have	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#209
Private hobby? Raising the next generation to be functioning adults is everyone's business	eridani	Dec 2011	#210
I was a nanny also.	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#232
right, you don't believe in subsidies --you will refuse Medicare, correct?	CreekDog	Dec 2011	#243
Who do you think will be paying for your Social Security? Our children.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#310
Subsidizing an expensive hobby?	SomethingFishy	Dec 2011	#612
Tax deductions.	Missy Vixen	Dec 2011	#635
Not at all. I understand childhood is not adulthood, but to inflict bad child behavior on other	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#208
Well said. I would also add that they ("idiot parents") don't usually post mindless	Fool Count	Dec 2011	#375
wow, that's not consistent with my experience at all	fishwax	Dec 2011	#255
rude is rude	ThomThom	Dec 2011	#391
Idiot parents with their bratty mini mes. nt	valerief	Dec 2011	#654
She's also complaining about kids in their own homes.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#185
Is anyone (seriously) asking you to keep your children locked up?	Abin Sur	Dec 2011	#83
You could choose to	pintobean	Dec 2011	#89
So if someone's brat is screaming his head off in a restaurant, I should leave?	Abin Sur	Dec 2011	#106
If you can not deal with the realities of society	MattBaggins	Dec 2011	#128
Since it's more likely that you'll find loud, obnoxious adults interrupting your quiet dinner ...	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#516
Wow.	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#122
I think you missed the point.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#148
The realities of society	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#159
I was being facetious.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#165
Nothing personal about it.	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#167
Ah, I see.	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#169
Well put! Thanks. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#211
And the world doesn't revolve around single people who dislike children.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#341
I agree for the most part but I do not expect parents	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#170
I have two children.........	Amaril	Dec 2011	#216
Strange if/then scenario	Sheepshank	Dec 2011	#249
Thank You For Your Decision To Not Have Children. It Was Obviously The Correct One. (n/t)	Paladin	Dec 2011	#135
LOL,	liberalhistorian	Dec 2011	#174
The 'ol "do you have any kids" shoot down doesn't fly	brewens	Dec 2011	#301
Thank God.	helderheid	Dec 2011	#381
Not relevant	Eliminator	Dec 2011	#54
Very relevant.	trumad	Dec 2011	#58
You're right. The behavior of other parents' children	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#103
Actually these kids are not spoiled	boston bean	Dec 2011	#6
True. Maybe these kids drive these parents so insane that's why they're pawning them off on	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#11
Not to get all	pipi_k	Dec 2011	#99
You're right. I think parents of bratty kids who spoil them, are doing a 'fuck you' to the world.	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#212
I'm not quite sure how you REALLY feel about these children.	Jazzgirl	Dec 2011	#7
LOL! I was a bit 'emotive' about this :) nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#9
Although I generally like kids	Ineeda	Dec 2011	#10
Aaah, I see you've met the spawn of Satan too. Hmm... spawn gets around!	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#13
Very simple	jberryhill	Dec 2011	#17
And excuse yourself if you're someplace where the parents are bragging.	DesertRat	Dec 2011	#42
I did, and Mom looked at me with a blank expression	Ineeda	Dec 2011	#28
Peanut-butter gets out PB? Who knew?	tridim	Dec 2011	#23
Sorry. Mis-typing. No, PB gets out chewing gum. I think it's the oil or something.	Ineeda	Dec 2011	#29
This message was self-deleted by its author	seaglass	Dec 2011	#35
You need to stop socializing with parents	jberryhill	Dec 2011	#14
So my choice is to refuse to invite Brat's parents? nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#16
That is correct	jberryhill	Dec 2011	#20
Yes, that is your choice. You knew	liberalhistorian	Dec 2011	#50
Not that simple	Eliminator	Dec 2011	#60
Sorry, but when it comes to friends and holidays,	liberalhistorian	Dec 2011	#63
"To many people without kids, ALL kids are brats." Or most of those on the hard right.	AverageJoe90	Dec 2011	#438
If she is being forced against her will, call the police!	jberryhill	Dec 2011	#140
As a parent, I wish I could independently recommend this post.	Fawke Em	Dec 2011	#72
Bigotry toward children is the only kind of bigotry acceptable here.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#95
It's the only one actively encouraged on DU	MattBaggins	Dec 2011	#133
Indeed.	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#526
I think you worded it well. A lot of this thread comes off as bigotry towards children.	musicblind	Jan 2012	#656
well said	FirstLight	Dec 2011	#142
I think you might enjoy this story, liberalhistorian.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#322
Oh, my, LOL!	liberalhistorian	Dec 2011	#414
It was a perfectly nice summer day, so I didn't mind being outside	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#456
My house was on a corner across the	xxqqqzme	Dec 2011	#119
I'm a grandpa. That's my job.	lpbk2713	Dec 2011	#19
I get it perfectly when grandpas spoil their grandkids. You're right, spoiling is a grandpa's job	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#22
Were you "spoiled"? Did you/your mom engage in any of those behaviours?	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#88
Sounds a wee bit spoiled to me...	onpatrol98	Dec 2011	#570
I don't usually see a lot of kids like you're describing, but I did last Thursday	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#25
Yes, I don't get why these parents insist that kids be in inappropriate settings...	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#26
On Christmas Day, a child's "appropriate place" is with her parents. If you want the parents,	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#315
Some people think a funeral is a family event?	jberryhill	Dec 2011	#66
For a 2 or 3 year old?	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#69
Yes	jberryhill	Dec 2011	#76
I won't get into the family relationship details	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#80
You need to find those knives from the "Omen"	jberryhill	Dec 2011	#82
It would have been a sign of respect to the deceased and rest of the	polly7	Dec 2011	#121
Exactly. It would be incredibly disrespectful to have a child running, playing, screaming while the	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#213
Inconsolable Weeping is not an appropriate adult behavior at funerals either	jberryhill	Dec 2011	#235
Well, most often being inconsolable at a funeral of someone you're mourning deeply isn't a choice,	polly7	Dec 2011	#295
I'd rather a child playing than an adult inconsolably weeping at my funeral thank you very much.	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#257
Unless mom is a 'casket diver'	jberryhill	Dec 2011	#282
I don't think I've told you	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#288
Some people don't have the money for a babysitter.	Fawke Em	Dec 2011	#73
The child's father takes care of her during the day while the mother works	tammywammy	Dec 2011	#74
Ultimately, this is what it's all about.	theaocp	Dec 2011	#386
heehee	alphafemale	Dec 2011	#27
now lets make a list what we hate about adults.... betcha as long.	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#30
I agree -- except that this was a family Christmas event, so I think all children should be welcomed	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#100
the thing. a person who does not have kids may be the ones to blow something very small into a HUGE	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#143
We used to have a child-hater in our family. Fortunately, she's gone now.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#309
+1	laundry_queen	Dec 2011	#152
my oldest taught me it is true, the feel of an insult. by 3 or 4 he would look to me when an adult	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#155
While inflammatory, this topic is actually quite interesting	tavalon	Dec 2011	#373
Your parents with monetary problems are providing what the kids need to succeed in life	tpsbmam	Dec 2011	#411
Not to sound arrogant,	tavalon	Dec 2011	#554
Nothing arrogant about doing a good job, recognizing it and acknowledging it.	tpsbmam	Dec 2011	#596
But totally spot one	tavalon	Dec 2011	#605
Bravo	jberryhill	Dec 2011	#236
+a million, seabeyond	Number23	Dec 2011	#244
This message was self-deleted by its author	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#250
+1	onpatrol98	Dec 2011	#571
Some children are very likeable.	Quantess	Dec 2011	#31
Exactly. Some kids are awesome. Some are something out of a nightmare, because their parents	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#214
Hark all those about! Bask in the light of my brilliant child.	alphafemale	Dec 2011	#32
So true! nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#215
Isn't that the worst? had the same experience myself.	sarcasmo	Dec 2011	#224
Whatever happened to children being seen and not heard?	Abin Sur	Dec 2011	#34
Yeah, let's just keep them all locked away in their	liberalhistorian	Dec 2011	#52
Please tell me you aren't being sarcastic...I'm so in on this!	Abin Sur	Dec 2011	#55
It's a shame quiet, well behaved respectful adults are so rare.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#98
While many adults are poorly behaved (in a restaurant, for instance)	Abin Sur	Dec 2011	#104
I agree, the brat talking loudly on the cell phone has a far worse impact on dining experience	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#107
Cute. Are you actually arguing that an adult speaking loudly on cell phone is	Abin Sur	Dec 2011	#110
Yes, it certainly can be. Are you arguing that an adult screaming on a cell phone is	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#114
I never said the adult in question was screaming, did I?	Abin Sur	Dec 2011	#118
It's certainly much more common.	Telly Savalas	Dec 2011	#620
I've honestly never had a "dining experience" ruined by a child.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#109
I've never had a bad experience in a restaurant with a drunk adult,	Abin Sur	Dec 2011	#113
A couple? In how many years of restaurant going?	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#117
I was thinking of the worst examples. I've certainly encountered more than 2	Abin Sur	Dec 2011	#120
Perhaps because they were allowed to be	Union Scribe	Dec 2011	#358
Or maybe it's just the opposite. As soon as they're out from under their parents' iron thumbs	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#364
Could be.	Union Scribe	Dec 2011	#376
Yes! Being a good parent is a difficult balancing act --	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#476
The 1960's and liberal ideas about childrearing?	jberryhill	Dec 2011	#78
You.	helderheid	Dec 2011	#385
The sarcasm in this post was brilliant.	musicblind	Jan 2012	#657
Consider your hope rewarded	jberryhill	Jan 2012	#658
That is part of many authoritarian cultures, but not of the America	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#97
I don't think well-behaved children are particularly rare	fishwax	Dec 2011	#260
the thing about it is, it could be a wonderful child having a bad moment and there is NO grace at	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#299
good point	fishwax	Dec 2011	#303
Admittedly I don't know the kid in question, but I think you're confusing two issues:	LeftishBrit	Dec 2011	#36
I agree. Children are enjoyable human beings who need to interact with other human beings.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#93
I feel the same way about dogs...nt	SidDithers	Dec 2011	#37
The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.	Abin Sur	Dec 2011	#43
"Kids. Yech." This is a form of bigotry that seems to be acceptable here.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#111
If this were said here about any other group of people other than children or	retread	Dec 2011	#127
That's for sure. n/t	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#314
Yeah...your right....prostitution SHOULD be legal	tjwash	Dec 2011	#38
That is a funny post:)	polly7	Dec 2011	#39
Obviously written by a person who doesn't have kids.	stopbush	Dec 2011	#40
not to mention overstimulation on a day like christmas for many reasons and the age of the child. nt	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#41
"Likeable traits for kids". Isn't that a contradiction in terms?	Abin Sur	Dec 2011	#44
I have two, now grown, and though they were far from perfect,	Ineeda	Dec 2011	#45
There may be no broad blush complaints, but there are misguided and intolerant complaints.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#189
Utterly irrelevant	Eliminator	Dec 2011	#57
You didn't read the OP carefully.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#319
That's a matter of perspective	Eliminator	Dec 2011	#396
What's wrong with the child answering the phone every time?	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#468
Yes there are. I have two visiting my home right now. My nieces kids. She is a great parent.	Puglover	Dec 2011	#584
Amen. And this particular poster has had a bee	liberalhistorian	Dec 2011	#61
touche	Broderick	Dec 2011	#144
You win this thread.	stevedeshazer	Dec 2011	#186
Actually, the OP was quite clear that the rant was about permissive parents, NOT about the children	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#64
One's 'permissive' parent...	Skelly	Dec 2011	#342
Exactly	Irishonly	Dec 2011	#518
Yeah she was. I don't think the problem here is with parenting as	Puglover	Dec 2011	#585
I have two grown children and five grand kids. I do NOT accept	madmom	Dec 2011	#77
just a reminder: "single" and "childless" are not synonyms	eShirl	Dec 2011	#79
There is a cure...	liberalmuse	Dec 2011	#46
As an example of the "cure worse than the disease", that's not bad!	Abin Sur	Dec 2011	#49
I'll bet Susan Smith's parents advised the same thing	Missy Vixen	Dec 2011	#434
My parents always let me hang out with the adults	abelenkpe	Dec 2011	#47
I honestly don't care how parents raise their kids, as long as their children aren't disruptive.	Abin Sur	Dec 2011	#51
And I'm sure everyone loved having you around...all of the time.	kiva	Dec 2011	#56
What he said about the OP is no worse than the	MattBaggins	Dec 2011	#139
Searched and found that you were the only one	kiva	Dec 2011	#188
Because it's OK for the OP to post an emotional tirade but not for anyone to respond with one?	abelenkpe	Dec 2011	#448
No, because what she wrote is a tirade about bad parents...	kiva	Dec 2011	#461
Lol	jberryhill	Dec 2011	#70
I grew up in a college town and my parents, like others, did a lot of entertaining.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#324
"Narcissitic, sociopathic adults" AKA Republicans (nt)	Eliminator	Dec 2011	#53
HAHA I was thinking that those kids=future Republican voters!	alp227	Dec 2011	#277
Was there any reason you couldn't be rude to this rude, inconsiderate parent?	Moonwalk	Dec 2011	#59
I know. I ought to have said something about the little brat. After reading the posts in here...	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#218
Next time a kid does that to you spit in the kid's face and make kid cry for hours.	alp227	Dec 2011	#278
Nope. I simply won't invite my friend (who WANTS to be invited!)	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#279
Also, say something to the child.	theaocp	Dec 2011	#388
That's part of the problem today. I think some moms (dads sometimes, tho less so), feel their child	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#403
Yes and No	Skelly	Dec 2011	#350
4 yr old niece sittin at table with all the adults said something snotty to mom	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#422
My goodness, people who've never had children	liberalhistorian	Dec 2011	#62
Touche	Broderick	Dec 2011	#146
Finally, somone putting the blame where it belongs... Bad Parents.	Taitertots	Dec 2011	#65
This message was self-deleted by its author	seaglass	Dec 2011	#195
I just hope they are not the kind of people that take their children to fancy restraunts, etc...	Taitertots	Dec 2011	#265
This message was self-deleted by its author	seaglass	Dec 2011	#272
The problem is that there are parents who do less than nothing to stop their misbehaving children	Taitertots	Dec 2011	#292
The OP is lumping spoiled children and normal children together, with her complaints	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#344
I don't agree with your interpretation of the OP	Taitertots	Dec 2011	#440
Yes, but are these concerns even real?	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#454
On this we agree, HuckleB.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#464
+1	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#492
We wouldn't be having this discussion if they didn't	Taitertots	Dec 2011	#486
We don't know that they're happening, and we certainly don't know that they're happening very often.	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#491
I've seen it and numerous people here have too	Taitertots	Dec 2011	#543
I know plenty of parents and other adults who have not seen it.	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#550
But if you read many of the writer's other posts in this thread,	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#542
Good point, seaglass. n/t	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#343
I promise I'll never remain silent again around bratty kids and their charmed parents. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#220
That's why Islamic kids are well behaved	jberryhill	Dec 2011	#71
I totally sympathize, parenting skills are in short supply	ThomThom	Dec 2011	#81
ThomThom, the only ones angry are the parents of bratty kids, and it's a tiny handful. The rest	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#225
wow. really? and you know everyone that disagrees. that they have kids? that their kids	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#297
This message was self-deleted by its author	Obamanaut	Dec 2011	#84
You were surprised when your husband's niece who lives at home showed up?	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#345
This message was self-deleted by its author	Obamanaut	Dec 2011	#352
If I knew one of my adult nieces was living at home, of course I'd invite her for a family dinner.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#354
This message was self-deleted by its author	Obamanaut	Dec 2011	#355
No. But I think it would be polite to invite any adult niece or nephew who's living with the parents	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#357
You make some good points but others are way over the top.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#85
out of many good responses,	barbtries	Dec 2011	#166
Thank you	helderheid	Dec 2011	#387
"Parents that allow their kids to sit and listen to adult conversations" WHAT? You don't want kids	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#86
According to the OP, they shouldn't talk and they shouldn't listen.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#87
+100000	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#92
I agree	Broderick	Dec 2011	#154
Support here from Grandma	AlwaysQuestion	Dec 2011	#91
What Grandma said! nt	blaze	Dec 2011	#116
Thank you for the voice of reason, grandma! n/t	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#124
Thank you, grandma! You expressed it far better than I ever could! nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#226
AlwaysQuestion,	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#346
I'm with you on this	customerserviceguy	Dec 2011	#94
You're right; there are some parents who are just dense when it comes to this stuff.	eShirl	Dec 2011	#96
A lot of people get depressed during the holidays.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#101
Or maybe the kid really was a brat and his/her parents were indulgent and inconsiderate.	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#123
Or maybe you didn't read her whole list of complaints	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#191
And also, this child-free Christmas lover takes exception to the statement	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#126
You don't have to see children on Christmas, but parents won't be leaving their kids on that day.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#192
Actually...	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#223
The problem with the OP is that she was also describing perfectly normal behavior	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#245
How clever.	Missy Vixen	Dec 2011	#168
Yesterday was Christmas. How many babysitters would want to work on Christmas?	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#190
Considering that the OP calls those of us who	liberalhistorian	Dec 2011	#270
Excellent points! Reminded me that my sis has kids and she doesn't want to put up with other	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#227
Please get over yourself	MattBaggins	Dec 2011	#246
I've been out of high school for thirty years.	Missy Vixen	Dec 2011	#416
I think you're talking about those really obnoxious	DevonRex	Dec 2011	#102
We now have more children in our penal system than at any time in our history,	retread	Dec 2011	#112
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that you could suggest a child be left out of Christmas day/dinner apart from its mom is heartless	CreekDog	Dec 2011	#131
Adults that wants kids hidden away while are spoiled themselves aggravate me	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#137
i was thinking of the adult that is troublesome, boring, obnoxious, show off, ect.... myself. nt	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#151
People who want no noise, no interruptions and no messes should stay at home.	PassingFair	Dec 2011	#138
Controlling adults make me miserable.	pa28	Dec 2011	#162
Here's the point	Missy Vixen	Dec 2011	#171
I agree with you. That was not the OP's "point" however...	PassingFair	Dec 2011	#176
You are surmising incorrectly.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#199
Starting to get a sense that you regret your choices and are trying to justify them	Broderick	Dec 2011	#141
That's interesting	Missy Vixen	Dec 2011	#172
Isn't it funny? And doesn't it become clear by the posts who is a parent of a complete brat, and	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#228
Yes. I noticed that too.	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#233
Since it is clear to you, am I a parent of a complete brat or one who doesn't inflict my brat on	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#258
The only thing that becomes clear is who actually read your whole post	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#347
That made me laugh out loud.	Puglover	Dec 2011	#587
well, it's not really too late as she has changed her mind and wants kids now	JI7	Dec 2011	#312
replying to bookmark	Iggo	Dec 2011	#145
Me too.	Adsos Letter	Dec 2011	#147
I dislike your list, but I will tell you this.	Neoma	Dec 2011	#161
You're right -- babies and children need interactions with a variety of people.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#203
My problem with this thread is the narrow focus.	EFerrari	Dec 2011	#175
Very true. n/t	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#193
good point	fishwax	Dec 2011	#261
Oh yes.	Initech	Dec 2011	#177
ROFL! This is true. You can tell the mariachi band to go away. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#229
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Completely uncalled for.	MineralMan	Dec 2011	#182
I don't know, rather rude to be let stand, true.	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#289
Amen! And I have a very similar list I will share:	LaraMN	Dec 2011	#187
+1000. n/t	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#194
It sounds like the problem is you.	LeftyMom	Dec 2011	#196
I'm am in utter disbelief	frazzled	Dec 2011	#197
Thanks for the reality check. n/t	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#206
Exactly. n/t	FourScore	Dec 2011	#221
Amen	DesertRat	Dec 2011	#320
+1 n/t	lumberjack_jeff	Dec 2011	#383
VERY well said! nt	tpsbmam	Dec 2011	#404
IRRITATE, not aggravate! PLEASE!	downwardly_mobile	Dec 2011	#201
"aggravate" has been used in that sense for about 400 years	fishwax	Dec 2011	#264
There's a lot of stuff here.	Quartermass	Dec 2011	#205
If you are invited somewhere where there will be children, then stay home.	HappyMe	Dec 2011	#217
Nice rant, I am guessing a relatives kid.	sarcasmo	Dec 2011	#219
Nope. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#231
I think it's rude to have kids.	Sky Masterson	Dec 2011	#222
You're right. It's incredibly selfish! nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#230
I was joking	Sky Masterson	Dec 2011	#239
I wasn't. I'm an observer. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#268
That you agreed	Dorian Gray	Dec 2011	#363
I didn't lie. I told the truth about my choices. Yet you think I have no right to make choices	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#366
That is completely insane.	SomethingFishy	Dec 2011	#608
This is not the topic of the OP, but yes, having kids is selfish...	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#609
I have two sons....	ThatsMyBarack	Dec 2011	#237
Wow, what a brat! Was he correcting your grammar too?	CreekDog	Dec 2011	#238
You got in just before the wire. Nastiest, Dumbest Post of 2011	Number23	Dec 2011	#242
I love being around children	etherealtruth	Dec 2011	#248
I attended a family dinner at the home of a control freak once.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#251
it's Parents WHO (er, I think)	Skittles	Dec 2011	#253
Definitely. I certainly think some are. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#263
I, for one, really appreciate posts such as this.	Ikonoklast	Dec 2011	#262
I spend a fair amount of time around kids, but I've never encountered most of what you mention	fishwax	Dec 2011	#266
Being a "part-time father", my situation is halfway between full-time parent and childless	steve2470	Dec 2011	#269
While I don't like obnoxious adults or children	October	Dec 2011	#271
It must feel good to know that adults enjoy being with your kids	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#274
That is definitely bragging!	onpatrol98	Dec 2011	#574
lol! Sorry. <blush>	October	Feb 2012	#660
my kids were brought up in a house full of adults....	lost-in-nj	Dec 2011	#273
Nothing is perfect on earth. :)	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#275
wow where in my post did I say the world was my childrens nanny???	lost-in-nj	Dec 2011	#557
I don't lack respect for people who have kids. I lack respect for	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#558
Funny. I think you simply hate kids.	ZombieHorde	Dec 2011	#276
Here's the good thing about this -	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#286
Hilarious. nt	ZombieHorde	Dec 2011	#356
Hilarious is the fact that you haven't read through the responses to the moms that disagree with you	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#368
Anti-puppy rants are funny.	ZombieHorde	Dec 2011	#418
I imagine many people believe themselves clever enough	LanternWaste	Dec 2011	#384
You imagine correct. Good job. nt	ZombieHorde	Dec 2011	#415
Not really a job either...	LanternWaste	Dec 2011	#449
Wow, so many broad brushes on this thread!	tpsbmam	Dec 2011	#280
If I wanted to invite a child to my conversations, I would, as would you.	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#281
Where the hell did I suggest you should share your every concern with kids?	tpsbmam	Dec 2011	#290
No, they're not called babysitters. They're called "people who treat children like the human beings	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#349
Good for you for engaging with that 14 year old.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#313
Thanks. Yeah, the kid broke my heart.	tpsbmam	Dec 2011	#400
I read a book on this topic	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#474
Yep, I'm familiar with that book -- that's the principle, backed by sound research	tpsbmam	Dec 2011	#594
I just reread your first post here and realized we have something else in common.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#598
Well, and my profession helps.....	tpsbmam	Dec 2011	#647
"You're a sly one, Mr. Grinch..."	johnaries	Dec 2011	#283
Here's the thing, why does it bug you so much that I live my life as I desire?	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#284
Well..I agree with you!	murray hill farm	Dec 2011	#362
Thank you, mom and grandma! You're right that parents who do this are saying fuck you to others	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#367
Maybe it's because her heart was 3 sizes too small?	helderheid	Dec 2011	#393
To summarize this thread : People suck.	quakerboy	Dec 2011	#285
You got it wrong. Read this: I'm not anyone's nanny.	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#287
I wasnt summarizing you, I was summarizing the entire thread.	quakerboy	Dec 2011	#333
This thread makes me want to adopt	Prism	Dec 2011	#291
Actually, what's really interesting in this is the reaction from certain parents	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#293
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i think pretty much everyone of us parents agree, we dont want you around our kids. really	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#298
My child sitting quietly listening to adults talk=brat. Gotcha.Indeed, that IS my child and and glad	uppityperson	Dec 2011	#302
I don't think that's a "raw nerve"	Prism	Dec 2011	#304
Children are naturally narcissistic, but it's something that they usually grow out of.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#305
Oh, I don't really think that's fair.	polly7	Dec 2011	#307
Clearly.	helderheid	Dec 2011	#394
In my family, we learned it was our duty to spoil children	EFerrari	Dec 2011	#311
I disagree a tiny bit	Prism	Dec 2011	#597
This thread = awesome.	flvegan	Dec 2011	#294
This thread = nuts	frazzled	Dec 2011	#323
There's a lot of generalizations on both sides.	Quartermass	Dec 2011	#300
There sure are.	polly7	Dec 2011	#321
When I see people here comparing children to dogs, or calling them "hobbies,"	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#325
Children were compared to dogs here?	polly7	Dec 2011	#329
See post 43, for one example. n/t	DesertRat	Dec 2011	#331
Ok, so the poster who began the thread didn't compare children to dogs at all.	polly7	Dec 2011	#340
Oh, I see	Missy Vixen	Dec 2011	#443
The OP first used the term "narcissistic" to characterize the children.	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#466
Sounds like you need new friends, don't stand for that s#$t! It is NOT...	webDude	Dec 2011	#317
If memory serves, this type of rant is not uncommon with you. Frankly, it's tired.	FedUpWithIt All	Dec 2011	#326
With the move to the new DU, it's always helpful when posters remind us who they are.	MissB	Dec 2011	#328
Yeah, I'm afraid I'm going to have to unrec this.	cherokeeprogressive	Dec 2011	#332
I remember your posts well enough to know	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#334
Not if you allow your kid to visit other homes and be destructive, create a ruckus, interrupt, and	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#399
My christmas consisted of a giant family gathering	Muskypundit	Dec 2011	#335
Well, the main problem was that mine was a grown-ups gathering...	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#374
You thought a single mom would leave her child at home on CHRISTMAS?	DesertRat	Dec 2011	#389
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +10000	helderheid	Dec 2011	#395
Exactly. I've noticed that many people who don't have kids just don't fucking get it. At ALL.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#473
May I modestly suggest	FloridaJudy	Dec 2011	#348
No, actually, my next one will not include the monster's mom	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#371
Let's see if I can summarize here	FloridaJudy	Dec 2011	#501
I don't beg people to come to my house. I asked some people to a party. Those that came,	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#503
Someday, when you are still childless and collecting your Social Security checks,	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#351
??? So basically just let kids become wild animals because one day I will need them for something.	onion belt	Dec 2011	#432
No. You didn't read her whole post, because she also objects	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#453
Why?	Dorian Gray	Dec 2011	#359
Why what? You missed the entire point, which is that unloading a BAD kid on others is intolerable	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#370
I don't like it when my daughter	Dorian Gray	Dec 2011	#446
True. Thanks. By the way, it wasn't just I that was upset. Others at the party came to me to	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#447
I have two daughters that are 7 and 6. I teach them to be polite and try to have good behavior.	Jennicut	Dec 2011	#372
As this thread demonstrates, children are most frequently ego extensions of their parents. nt	Romulox	Dec 2011	#378
I think very often they are. I do think some parents are overwhelmed by their own kids, and some	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#392
Ding! Ding!	NinetySix	Dec 2011	#379
thanks, id never seen that site before	Enrique	Dec 2011	#472
Or Republicans;	greiner3	Dec 2011	#380
"Yesterday I had to spend some time with one of these kids"	lumberjack_jeff	Dec 2011	#382
"Parents that insist on their kids performing for you"	Glassunion	Dec 2011	#390
That's quite the pointless cliche, er urban myth.	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#514
Nah... A comedian I heard does a great bit on it.	Glassunion	Dec 2011	#555
Where in the hell	mrs_p	Dec 2011	#397
That wasn't the problem. The problem was that she watched her kid be a complete pest and did	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#398
Was there another room for the kid to play in?	mrs_p	Dec 2011	#405
Sure, there was another room, but I didn't expect the child to be hidden in there.	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#407
Well, there is no changing people like that	mrs_p	Dec 2011	#412
Thank you! I do have the solution, and this thread helped me arrive there. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#421
A response and reminder...	Juneboarder	Dec 2011	#402
I like kids	treestar	Dec 2011	#406
I agree! It's unrealistic. I browsed through a book not long ago titled, I'm Not Your Friend; I'm	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#408
i have real issues with parents saying, but i am his/her friend	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#409
Good point. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#410
You can be both, and do just fine.	AverageJoe90	Dec 2011	#439
You are so right.	polly7	Dec 2011	#441
it is a different position. that is the point.	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#475
There is a point to this, though.	chrisa	Dec 2011	#413
Exactly!	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#419
Damn...looks like you (OP) hit a nerve!	badgerpup	Dec 2011	#417
It definitely hit a nerve with those who 'saw' themselves in my description of the irresponsible	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#420
again. i dont agree. i tried to respond to your posts respectfully and with thought, though i	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#423
ding! ding! ding!	helderheid	Dec 2011	#430
Maybe she's not talking about YOU!	onion belt	Dec 2011	#431
she was talking about the posters on this thread that disagree with her. you agreed with her.	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#433
Well, I recall you writing the other day that you don't really care if your kid smokes weed	onion belt	Dec 2011	#435
your interpretation is a caracture of what i posted.	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#467
"really... really.... is childish" I wonder why she is so mad at the other children?	retread	Dec 2011	#444
LOL- I agree!	onion belt	Dec 2011	#425
please point out one post that states children should be "the center of attention 24/7"	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#427
There's a person who seemed to take offense at the statement about including kids in adult	onion belt	Dec 2011	#429
the point is, a couple people with no children, no experience with children, no parenting	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#471
Exactly! It's definitely not healthy even for the child. They grow up not socializing properly	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#428
Oh, god, not the "my fur babies are just the same as your human ones!!!!" crap again	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#460
I feel the same way about members of Congress, who are like our children	slackmaster	Dec 2011	#442
I agree. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#445
This message was self-deleted by its author	devilgrrl	Dec 2011	#450
OUCH	Broderick	Dec 2011	#458
Kinda nutty that your annoyance is being called	LanternWaste	Dec 2011	#451
Yup! Apparently irresponsible parents think it's cool to have their brats annoy adults and kids	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#477
I agree with much of your post...	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#452
I notice that people without kids seem to think people with kids are endlessly preoccupied with them	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#457
Oh I do. That's why she won't be invited next year. Are you volunteering to invite her to your	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#480
Oh heavens	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#483
Chuckle	Broderick	Dec 2011	#511
Translation: MY FRIENDS WITH KIDS REFUSE TO CONFORM TO MY DEMANDS ABOUT THEIR LIVES	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#463
Me? I tried to do the woman a favor by inviting her. She apparently could care less about the rest	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#479
You don't understand why a single mother couldn't "leave the kid at home"	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#482
Thank god you were there to judge her!	AngryAmish	Dec 2011	#465
Me and the entire group of people at the party. Well, the good thing is now she'll	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#478
I'd welcome her. I do not require that my friends, or their children...	FedUpWithIt All	Dec 2011	#624
And yet you think only she counts, and not me. I did her a favor, but in return, she allowed her	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#627
Here's a perfect example of the mentality displayed in this OP:	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#481
No, she didn't have to leave the child at home. But you're equating apples and oranges.	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#485
but then you went beyond just your situation to a list of rules for parents in parenting ALL	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#488
did you talk to her about it?	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#497
Nope. I was pretty shocked that she was fine with it and smiling. On the other hand...	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#498
So, you chickened out.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#500
I didn't. I try to be polite, and didn't want to embarrass her in front of others	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#502
then take her aside	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#504
LOL! Spaulding? More like Little Nosferatu. No, I expect parents to have respect for others	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#506
Okay, well, you're saying that your stuff was destroyed & your party fucked up.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#509
FYI - in case you don't know - the party is over and the brat is out of my and my guests' lives. :)	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#510
Every time I've had a party that's lasted for days, my place has been messed up	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#522
ROFL! Okay, but now you're talking about an entirely different sort of 'party'	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#525
Wow.	FedUpWithIt All	Dec 2011	#625
LOL! The ID you chose to use in DU pretty much says that about everything in life, doesn't it? nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#626
You can attempt to deflect with juvenile quips if you like. Your post stands as APPALLING.	FedUpWithIt All	Dec 2011	#629
I'm dead serious. Anyone with an ID like yours is making a statement: that he's fed up with all,	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#630
Really, very poorly constructed deflection.	FedUpWithIt All	Dec 2011	#632
I don't care if you're an alien from another planet. Your ID tells what you think and feel.	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#633
Have a nice day Sarah. n/t	FedUpWithIt All	Dec 2011	#634
No actually your post	Puglover	Dec 2011	#590
This is most ugly post I have ever read on DU	Whoa_Nelly	Dec 2011	#484
You are correct. This post brought out lots of irresponsible parents with brats	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#487
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:facepalm:	Shining Jack	Dec 2011	#592
How, exactly, would you have preferred this kid to be "fascinating"?	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#499
There was nothing appealing about 'the kid' to anyone in attendance. There was a lot repulsive,	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#505
I'm wondering what your idea of a 'fascinating' kid at an adults party would be like	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#507
I didn't expect him to be fascinating, but if he was going to demand the unpleasant attention of	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#508
So I ask again, how old was this kid?	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#512
About 7 or 8. Obnoxious ad nauseam. So now, Doctor Freud...	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#515
a 7 or 8 year old probably isnt gonna know how to entertain adults	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#520
Yeah well... I ought to have said something at some point, such as...	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#527
That probably would have gone well.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#529
Only after she arrived with her brat and allowed him to run wild. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#531
I'm just really wondering how this all happened as a giant surprise to you.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2011	#538
i am curious about the age. age matters. and not a mention. 5? 10? 16? lol. nt	seabeyond	Dec 2011	#513
Good heavens, it's not an either-or thing here	Lydia Leftcoast	Dec 2011	#489
Thank you. Doesn't it make you wonder why these certain parents are taking it so personally?	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#490
Yeah, you fail.	Whoa_Nelly	Dec 2011	#495
Interesting.	yella_dawg	Dec 2011	#521
I had a different name on DU back then, and dropped it and signed up on a new email/new name	Whoa_Nelly	Dec 2011	#534
I noticed that too. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#565
Well, at least she has good company.	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#535
This thread have over 550 replies and 4170+ views.	Shining Jack	Dec 2011	#559
Nope.	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#569
Exactly. n/t	distantearlywarning	Dec 2011	#494
Let's look at the video from Christmas and see if the OP has a leg to stand on	AngryAmish	Dec 2011	#496
!!!!!!!!	helderheid	Dec 2011	#519
LMAO	Broderick	Dec 2011	#524
This message was self-deleted by its author	devilgrrl	Dec 2011	#566
I've been thinking on this lately.	yella_dawg	Dec 2011	#517
Excellent point for discussion! I wish you'd start a thread on this. However, beware.	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#523
Ah, the old "good old days" theory.	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#528
Such as? nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#530
If you had kids you would've given up pn this thread	CreekDog	Dec 2011	#540
If I were in Italy, I'd be sleeping. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#564
Are you saying you don't know much about history?	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#551
No, I'm saying prove your assertion. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#563
Why?	HuckleB	Feb 2012	#661
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In other words, you're choosing to ignore that sociology digs back into daily histories.	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#548
Wow did this bring out our opinions!!	marlakay	Dec 2011	#532
Thanks! You brought out a very interesting point, which is that	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#560
So okay you claim	TZ	Dec 2011	#533
Par for the course	Broderick	Dec 2011	#537
I'd say about half that list is perfectly innocuous behavior.	Odin2005	Dec 2011	#539
+1	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#553
Clearly you just don't care for children.	Chemisse	Dec 2011	#547
+1	HuckleB	Dec 2011	#552
Oooh, if your kids are like those, I'm glad you're on the other side of a screen!!	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#561
My kids are grown now but they were pretty well behaved.	Chemisse	Dec 2011	#618
I think what she describes in the OP is a mother who wants to be	KurtNYC	Dec 2011	#567
Bitterman ..... party of one your tables ready	lost-in-nj	Dec 2011	#556
My dad says that he's never seen a happy, spoiled kid. n/t	Pryderi	Dec 2011	#572
He's right. The behavior of spoiled kids is abnormal behavior. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#573
I know adults that exhibit pretty much every one of those examples. Many were	NRaleighLiberal	Dec 2011	#576
I really don't feel the aggravation that you do over these things that	Liquorice	Dec 2011	#577
Then you will like this story.	lonestarnot	Dec 2011	#578
ROFLMAO! I love that. There should be more people like you around. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#580
:)	lonestarnot	Dec 2011	#623
Here's something that a fellow parent I know says whenever bitter adults	melissaf	Dec 2011	#581
You missed one tiny point. Bad behavior in kids is the PARENTS' responsibility	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#583
I think most people understand that point	Dorian Gray	Dec 2011	#586
Yes	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#588
That post wasn't mine	Dorian Gray	Dec 2011	#589
You should listen and learn from whomever wrote that statement	CreekDog	Dec 2011	#595
As a mom, my motto is, if your mom isn't on your side, nobody else will be.	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#582
Actually,	melissaf	Dec 2011	#593
The 5:00 restaurant rule is the key to happiness in the suburbs..........	Burma Jones	Dec 2011	#604
Are there no prisons? And the union workhouses, are they still in operation? nt	Snake Alchemist	Dec 2011	#599
Seems like this is lacking many details.	Snake Alchemist	Dec 2011	#600
I don't have kids.....have a stepson....	blueamy66	Dec 2011	#601
I love my nieces and nephews. Love taking them to the movies and	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#611
I can relate!!!	blueamy66	Dec 2011	#617
God, me TOO!!! Isn't it bliss? I almost feel guilty about it. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#619
Yeah....it's fun to spoil them and then go home and put on my jammies	blueamy66	Dec 2011	#622
Well, you'd get along pretty well with my wife and our three kids	Burma Jones	Dec 2011	#603
Wow, that woman was a total nutjob. What's more, unsolicited touching is battery.	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#606
I don't have much to add to what has already been said.	Major Hogwash	Dec 2011	#607
LOL! Everywhere you go, people run away. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#610
That's how it was when I was a little kid, too.	Major Hogwash	Dec 2011	#628
And according to your chosen ID, you're full of hogwash. Interesting! nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#631
These parents see their kids merely as extensions of themselves,	begin_within	Dec 2011	#613
If that's true, then it's like having a boil on one's neck and showing it off	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#615
They don't see the kid the same way we see them.	begin_within	Dec 2011	#621
I think I can help you...	SomethingFishy	Dec 2011	#614
The flame war wasn't begun by me. I explained something factual	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#616
Who composed the OP?	taterguy	Dec 2011	#636
Oh, so I'm supposed to be a fucking psychic and determine who might be an asshole responding to	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#637
I'm still waiting for an answer to these two questions.	Snake Alchemist	Dec 2011	#638
People have strong opinions about child-rearing	taterguy	Dec 2011	#640
And because people might have strong opinions I have to stfu about something	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#641
I would wager some here have stong opinions about adults who get their panties in a twist	FedUpWithIt All	Dec 2011	#643
And who starts threads like this every few months? And furthermore	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#644
As the host, you have a responsibility of putting your guests at ease	Nikia	Dec 2011	#639
I'm no nanny. I don't recall offering to play babysitter that evening.	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#642
You shouldn't play the victim here, it was your party	Nikia	Dec 2011	#645
I can kick an adult guest out of my house in a jiffy or call the police on them	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#646
totally agree with op.	polically incorrect	Dec 2011	#649
Take it from me, a woman, get rid of this woman. Parents that insist on shoving the kids up	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#650
Gee whiz, you're the popular kid, Sarah!	valerief	Dec 2011	#651
Oh yeah. I had no idea every parent of a brat would come out to attack my post	Sarah Ibarruri	Dec 2011	#652
If they spent that much energy disciplining their brats, the kids wouldn't be brats!	valerief	Dec 2011	#653
Oh ABSOLUTELY! Their little Timmy is NEVER a monster! Of course he isn't LOL!	Sarah Ibarruri	Jan 2012	#659

Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Mon Dec 26, 2011, 10:48 AM

Robb (39,665 posts)

1. Also, they need to stay off my grass.

THIS ball? It's mine now, little man.

Adults that spoil kids aggravate me

1. Also, they need to stay off my grass.

2. LOL! I'm with you there. These parents think our property belongs to their KIDS! nt

8. Children should be seen, but not heard.

33. To add: sometimes they behave

462. People are coming into your house without your permission?

259. I taught for 27 years and I wish I could relate to you all the parental bitching

267. You made a very good point. Parents of brats are often narcissistic,

337. hmph

426. W is an excellent example of a BRAT that grew up without anyone stopping his stupid behavior nt

360. Heh

3. Could you tell us how you really feel about spoiled children?

4. LOL! I guess it showed? :) nt

12. This time of year is especially prone

15. :) I don't mind kids, but oh my gosh, there's nothing worse than a brat!

181. I'd rather be around a bratty kid than a drunk adult.

655. As someone who has worked at nightclubs and a sunday school class... I'll second that. n/t

318. I'm a mom...

327. I've been one for over 20 years and I agree -- the only child I've ever seen

369. I have to say I agree with you

377. I haven't seen it often, but I've seen it

437. Not to mention the highly popular 'spoiled brat epidemic' meme circulating amongst the hard right.

541. IMO the number of rotten kids with rotten parents are greatly exaggerated.

591. Then you have been most fortunate.

180. You correctly identified the parents as the problem.

202. This is true. And kids only learn what they see, hear, are taught from their surroundings, and what

455. No, they are not blank slates.

365. LOL

5. Do you have kids?

18. You caught me there. Nope. I chose at 20-ish to NOT have kids.

21. I ask because sometimes having kids changes perceptions about how kids act.

24. True. Anyone can have kids. That's one incredibly scary thing! nt

252. Well, not everyone.

48. If you don't have kids, then you really don't have

67. So, I have a child and I agree with her

105. Did you read her whole post? She mixes up misbehavior and perfectly normal behavior

130. I can think of a couple of cirumstances that would not be normal

308. Of course there are circumstances where children don't belong.

546. Your post makes no sense

648. I'm not sure what my point is. but --

150. That was one part I did not understand. When I was young

306. It never bothered me when my friends' children thought our conversation was interesting enough

361. Exactly

108. "Parents that allow their kids to sit and listen to adult conversations " is ok with you? Since you

132. Sometimes conversations should only be between adults

134. I doubt "on everything" but agree, we do learn from our parent's mistakes

136. I was being hyperbolic

204. I agree. There are adults that just don't understand why everyone is avoiding them, and it's

336. I think the kid who bothers to answer the phone -- rather than sending the adults

459. No adult should be forced to participate in the upbringing of other kids.

240. Okay, but on Christmas?

254. To little information to determine

338. We do know it was Christmas, and what loving parent would leave their child

545. I would have stayed home as a kid

353. ah if it wasn't dinner that would change things?

544. And?

562. Clearly THIS family with THIS child didn't do that.

575. My father probably would have stayed home

579. I'm not. I'm invested in defending parents who do normal things

316. The OP implied that children are spoiled who EVER do that. n/t

200. I agree completely. nt

68. I think her OP was pretty clear about the difference between parents in general and rude ones

90. "Parents that allow their kids to sit and listen to adult conversations" is about a rude child?

158. I assumed "adult conversations" would be something about someone having a drinking problem....

160. I assumed "adult conversations" were conversations between adults. In which case I'd let my

164. There's nothing wrong as long as those conversations don't take a dark turn

401. Exactly. And if a child insists on remaining with the adults, the adults are held to a child

198. The rule at our house was "Keep quiet unless you know something about the subject."

234. The problem is that many think they know something when they don't know a thing.

470. Agreed, (and that would eliminate some on this thread from speaking of children.)

241. I'm guessing the kid didn't want to hear her interpretation of the Kama Sutra either

436. Really? Even if the conversation was for adults, like your friend's sex life issues?

469. Not gonna argue with a poster who's posting privl has been revoked. Esp not one

184. I don't think you read her checklist carefully. Not all her points are reasonable.

339. Then the feeling is mutual. I don't want to be around a person who thinks children

75. well the fact that the people without kids have to deal with your kids

125. Childless people are more oft than not

129. Idiot parents.

153. they've ruined dinners for me and your logic has a big hole in it

156. Not true.

106. So if someone's brat is screaming his head off in a restaurant, I should leave?