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YellowRubberDuckie

(19,736 posts)
Wed May 23, 2012, 06:48 PM May 2012

IS this really inappropriate for a jr high school kid to wear to school?



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sparker/daughter-inappropriate-outfit-school_b_1539939.html
The outfit actually looked appropriate to me; especially given the fact that it was 86F (30C) and the AC in the junior high was not working well outside of the front office. How could I be so blind as to have missed the fact that my daughter was dressed as a harlot, and presented a danger to all the boys in the school? I read "Great Expectations" once. Just because the school might champion some Dickensian imagery does not mean they must bow to them all. What vile boy-crushing monster had my daughter become, and why couldn't I see it?

I began to think : "Luckily the school administration can look at her and see her as a provocative female," but then I thought... no... that is extremely creepy. I tried to think: "Luckily the school administration can look at her though the eyes of hormone-addled teenage boys to see her as provocative," but then I thought... no... that is weird-creepy.

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Seriously!? People dress like this at work. I don't understand how this is in anyway inappropriate. Are they pissed she's not dressed in a burqa?
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IS this really inappropriate for a jr high school kid to wear to school? (Original Post) YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 OP
Did they at least tell you what part of her attire ... surrealAmerican May 2012 #1
In the link, Suich May 2012 #4
OMG, I remember those days. Dean carried around a ruler. And it couldn't be below the knee, either! freshwest May 2012 #37
Yeah, I'd worry more about teachers insisting on measuring skirts than the skirts themselves. (nt) Posteritatis May 2012 #61
I remember those days, too. dmr May 2012 #63
yes, the kneel shanti May 2012 #107
She looks like a growing kid. The skirt was with in specs when she left for school that morning. RC May 2012 #42
tall girls get shit for this allatime elehhhhna May 2012 #53
Jeebus! It's down to her knee! Bake May 2012 #111
her skirt was a half inch too short according to the insane principal. cali May 2012 #11
I can see that being inappropriate. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #2
conservatives want them dressed like this: provis99 May 2012 #3
Yep, they only have two speeds, don't they? Full reverse or full speed up their pants! freshwest May 2012 #39
Well I imagine the black bar across her eyes made it hard to learn..so maybe they took issue with DFab420 May 2012 #5
I was thinking that could cause a traffic accident if she wore it to school, Uncle Joe May 2012 #12
That's hardly appropriate business attire. jp11 May 2012 #6
Business Casual... YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #22
If my skirt went down to my fingertips - I'd be in big trouble dmr May 2012 #65
Maybe that was what I was wishing the rule was back in highschool then. jp11 May 2012 #81
Working in a public HS in Florida HockeyMom May 2012 #7
Good grief are you kidding me? If she went to catholic school it would be fine. Even to church. southernyankeebelle May 2012 #8
My kid's worn xmas74 May 2012 #28
Good grief what mix messages young people get. southernyankeebelle May 2012 #32
My child tries to wear things that look like pajamas xmas74 May 2012 #52
Well what is it exactly about the dress he doesn't like? Do you know? southernyankeebelle May 2012 #77
I knew it was stupidly only about a half inch shorter than xmas74 May 2012 #87
I guess it's in the eye of the beholder but gee I see nothing wrong with it. southernyankeebelle May 2012 #104
I think the slightly baggy skirt XemaSab May 2012 #94
What not tight enough with a plunging neckline to show off her blossoming womanhood? underseasurveyor May 2012 #113
*shrug* Depends on the schools dress code OP. cstanleytech May 2012 #9
how on earth does it look "sluttish" at all? cali May 2012 #13
My apologies I wrote it when I was in a hurry as I was making dinner, I'll edit it now. cstanleytech May 2012 #74
I s'pose I don't dress as "sluttish" as you have seen some people dress etherealtruth May 2012 #29
My guess Caretha May 2012 #68
I Hate authority DaveJ May 2012 #10
+100. white_wolf May 2012 #14
Exactly - it's all about power over others. nt TBF May 2012 #20
Thumbs up to that! hifiguy May 2012 #43
IMO most school admins are little fascist fucks. Odin2005 May 2012 #69
+25 lonestarnot May 2012 #83
Ridiculous. I'm betting it's the skirt length. I'll bet they have a "knee-length" requirement. NYC Liberal May 2012 #15
A centimeter too short. YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #23
I went to an all-boys Catholic HS, so we didn't have skirts... NYC Liberal May 2012 #30
I could never understand the obsession with belts. Iterate May 2012 #101
Good God! Child Pornography Posted At DU! If I wasn't so turned on, I would alert on this post. onehandle May 2012 #16
Does anyone remember teachers with rulers? SoutherDem May 2012 #17
Our principal in the 70's wendylaroux May 2012 #24
I remember teachers who made the girls kneel FloridaJudy May 2012 #118
perhaps everyone should be in uniform--like north korea dembotoz May 2012 #18
Well it is Utah ... nt TBF May 2012 #21
I thought no more than 4 inches above the knee was the rule? notadmblnd May 2012 #19
Dress codes mainstreetonce May 2012 #27
She looked perfectly Worried senior May 2012 #25
In what weird fundi corner of America is this inappropriate? annabanana May 2012 #26
you should see what they wear at our school! Rosa Luxemburg May 2012 #31
This story was originally published on an Atheist website. yellerpup May 2012 #33
I saw that... YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #35
This flap can't really be about the way yellerpup May 2012 #48
The principal is a nutcase LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #34
Personally, I wish all students dressed this conservatively ladym55 May 2012 #36
It looks fine to me. If I noticed anything, I was gonna guess they have a no-tshirt rule or somethin Honeycombe8 May 2012 #38
That would be perfectly acceptable attire in every office hifiguy May 2012 #40
Wow. Back to fearing female knees, are we? DirkGently May 2012 #41
ankles will be next. nt awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #62
In my day - girls couldn't wear black patent leather shoes either. xchrom May 2012 #44
That's insane. Has the world gone bonkers? trackfan May 2012 #45
She looks fine to me. My daughter dresses that way. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #46
umm thats business casual. i wear a lot less than that La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #47
Put a cardigan sweater on it... YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #49
makes more sense. La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #50
I don't see a problem malaise May 2012 #51
Of course, my granddaughters have a dress code similar to this. NO WAY would this be considered CTyankee May 2012 #54
In my school, this girl would be modest!! adigal May 2012 #55
You also have to take into account... YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #56
I think they are trying to push the envelope, because it gets worse and worse adigal May 2012 #58
what the fucking fuck. mopinko May 2012 #57
I think she looks adorable and I love, love, the shoes. Those people are nutz...n/t monmouth May 2012 #59
Those are TOMS shoes--it's a charity. tblue37 May 2012 #93
Looks fine to me... awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #60
No. her Principal is an Authoritarian Dickhead. BiggJawn May 2012 #64
Seriously? At my son's HS this is pretty much conservative attire. Mass May 2012 #66
I think it's just fine, unlike the sexualized crap so many teen girls wear. Odin2005 May 2012 #67
She lives in Utah. Any more questions? nt siligut May 2012 #70
Skirt too short. Utah. boppers May 2012 #96
This doesn't make any sense. I went to middle school in the 90's - early 00's Dash87 May 2012 #71
That skirt is NOT SHORT. WHEN CRABS ROAR May 2012 #72
Fine for my office almost every day and fine for school TheKentuckian May 2012 #73
This is fiction. NS2012 May 2012 #75
Her foot is curl oh so provocatively. WCGreen May 2012 #76
Maybe the back side has those plastic ass-windows. Zanzoobar May 2012 #78
And this isn't Catholic school? uberblonde May 2012 #79
good grief JitterbugPerfume May 2012 #80
Tough call. Igel May 2012 #82
Does anyone care about that kind of clap trap but the authoritarian? lonestarnot May 2012 #84
"So a girl comes to class with a tattoo on her cheek. What do you do" Wellllllllll cstanleytech May 2012 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2012 #97
Dear lord... a la izquierda May 2012 #102
Sounds like a real rough part of your day snooper2 May 2012 #103
lol. La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #108
+100! I went to a school with strict dress codes and I know exatly what you're describing. OneTenthofOnePercent May 2012 #106
I wish my daughter dressed as inappropriate as that. There is nothing wrong with her outfit. jillan May 2012 #85
I'd say it's inappropriate jmowreader May 2012 #86
Seriously? YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #116
that's how most american women dress if they want to dress conservatively JI7 May 2012 #88
Yup. Perfectly fine. ~40 yo. dad of 2. nt daaron May 2012 #90
Geesh, I think the kid looks fine. Is the school dress code honestly THAT conservative? davsand May 2012 #91
It's definitely inappropriate to anyone with fashion sense. vaberella May 2012 #92
I would be euphoric if the women I work with dressed like that Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2012 #95
Considering the number of very young ladies who seem to dress from the Lil' Slutster line of attire, mikeytherat May 2012 #98
Besides being ugly, what's wrong with it? HiPointDem May 2012 #99
That brazen hussy! deutsey May 2012 #100
While not inapropriate sexually... if it violates a standardized dress code then it is unacceptable. OneTenthofOnePercent May 2012 #105
It's very appropiate. underseasurveyor May 2012 #109
It is Guy Whitey Corngood May 2012 #110
They couldn't ask her to pull her skirt down that half inch? GoCubsGo May 2012 #112
Very inappropriate... in Victorian England LanternWaste May 2012 #114
Well you know if she didn't have a slip on you would be able to see her legs and lunatica May 2012 #115
LOL Not my kid. YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #117

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
37. OMG, I remember those days. Dean carried around a ruler. And it couldn't be below the knee, either!
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:32 PM
May 2012

Weird dean took to squatting on the floor to look up the stairs to see what was up those skirts, too. I got called on the carpet for having a skirt that was mid-calf just to deny the thrill. And for not cutting my bangs to look like Mamie Eisenhower as the Dean wanted. Oh, yeah, like that was ever gonna happen.

It was as ridiculous as this. I'll be they'd get on the young lady's skirt if it was too long, too. Just another way to mess with girls. Not that they didn't mess with the boys, too, but they got super picky with girls. And it was a public school back in the stone ages, the sixties, if anyone was wondering.

dmr

(28,347 posts)
63. I remember those days, too.
Wed May 23, 2012, 08:20 PM
May 2012

We had to kneel, and if our hem was just above the floor, we had to stay after school, & if it was more than an inch (sometimes a half inch, we were at the mercy of whomever held the ruler), we were sent home to change & had to stay after school the following day.

Those were the days of panty girdles & instead of slips, bloomers. When we sat, we couldn't let the clips holding our nylons show (which were attached to our girdles). Of course, this made sense, but it happened anyway.

Then after school & on week-ends, we wore mini-skirts - omg! me now an old lady & thinking about me in a mini skirt, imagine that! woo hoo!


Go figure.

My days were the 60s too, & public school, the same as you.

The girl in the OP's picture, looks very nice to me. I'm pretty much a traditional old lady, & I have to say, I've worn worse & less than this young girl.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
107. yes, the kneel
Thu May 24, 2012, 12:19 PM
May 2012

i remember those days in the 60's in jr. high. we weren't sent home though. if the skirt was too short, the vp would pin crepe paper to the hem of your skirt and you had to wear it like that for the rest of the day!

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
42. She looks like a growing kid. The skirt was with in specs when she left for school that morning.
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:41 PM
May 2012

A half inch? Did they actually measure it? Most people can't read a ruler that close anymore.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
53. tall girls get shit for this allatime
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:55 PM
May 2012

I did, my kids would but that the younger attends a private sober hs w/ virually no dresscode and if her shorts are too short (which they are) they make her wear scrubs , which she likes as they are comfy.

Talibanibullshit

Bake

(21,977 posts)
111. Jeebus! It's down to her knee!
Thu May 24, 2012, 12:28 PM
May 2012

I don't see the problem.

Our schools are run by administrators with NO COMMON SENSE WHATSOEVER!

Sigh.

Bake

 

provis99

(13,062 posts)
3. conservatives want them dressed like this:
Wed May 23, 2012, 06:52 PM
May 2012


unless they are attractive, in which case they want women dressed like this:

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
12. I was thinking that could cause a traffic accident if she wore it to school,
Wed May 23, 2012, 06:59 PM
May 2012

she should get rid of the bar.

jp11

(2,104 posts)
6. That's hardly appropriate business attire.
Wed May 23, 2012, 06:56 PM
May 2012

Toss on a horrible collar and fabric that doesn't breath then she's okay.

For school or a casual work environment that's is fine, the 'rule' often quoted was skirts had to go down to your fingertips. But many people dressed like sex workers or prison inmates signaling they were 'available'.

dmr

(28,347 posts)
65. If my skirt went down to my fingertips - I'd be in big trouble
Wed May 23, 2012, 08:24 PM
May 2012

cuz I'd be wearing a mini skirt. I just stood up to check.

Sigh, I have short arms.

Hell, I'm just short.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
7. Working in a public HS in Florida
Wed May 23, 2012, 06:56 PM
May 2012

She looks like a prude in comparison. Try tanks tops with no bras, short shorts that look like underwear, etc. Actually, STAFF in Florida dressed "sexier" than this girl.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
8. Good grief are you kidding me? If she went to catholic school it would be fine. Even to church.
Wed May 23, 2012, 06:56 PM
May 2012

What is wrong with the dress?

xmas74

(29,673 posts)
28. My kid's worn
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:11 PM
May 2012

spaghetti straps and skirts a wee bit shorter than that to church services and no one blinks an eye.

I'd be thankful if that's what my child wore to school. (Then again, maybe not. I'd probably make a comment about how it's not the best fit for her. The outfit actually makes her look a bit baggy.)

xmas74

(29,673 posts)
52. My child tries to wear things that look like pajamas
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:53 PM
May 2012

on a regular basis, even after she's allowed to pick out her own outfits on shopping trips. She always picks out nice outfits that complement her frame but then tries to wear the oldest, sloppiest things she owns.

We're at the age where we are working on what looks nice yet is still appropriate to wear in certain situations. The outfit the young woman wore above is appropriate but something's a bit off on the skirt. It's not too short-it's the fit that doesn't complement her. Of course, her principal doesn't care either way. Either way, she still looks better than most of the kids in my child's class.

xmas74

(29,673 posts)
87. I knew it was stupidly only about a half inch shorter than
Wed May 23, 2012, 11:33 PM
May 2012

what was (supposedly) the dress code, yet other comments were made about how there were outfits that were much worse just outside on the school yard.

The outfit itself is fine, IMO. I personally just don't prefer the cut of the skirt. The fabric pattern is all wrong, the cut makes her look bigger than she really is, and the length isn't right for her. (Looking at the picture, she has a similar build to my teen and there's no way she could wear that skirt.)

A coworker dresses modestly due to her religion (she's LDS) and she said that they'd have more problems with the neckline of the blouse instead of the skirt. (I sent her a link to the original blog post here: http://adultonsetatheist.blogspot.com/). She said that the skirt was fine lengthwise and wasn't quite sure what the problem was.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
94. I think the slightly baggy skirt
Thu May 24, 2012, 03:03 AM
May 2012

pushes this outfit in the direction of "Christian modest."

Yeah, the skirt's too short and the top is a tiny bit low for TRULY modest fundie-wear, but seriously? Nobody could look at that outfit and think that the girl was dressed like a tramp.

underseasurveyor

(6,428 posts)
113. What not tight enough with a plunging neckline to show off her blossoming womanhood?
Thu May 24, 2012, 12:34 PM
May 2012

Baggy? You may wish to rethink your ideals and prejudices of how women and girls "should" look.

It looks very comfortable and modest.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
9. *shrug* Depends on the schools dress code OP.
Wed May 23, 2012, 06:57 PM
May 2012

Last edited Wed May 23, 2012, 08:51 PM - Edit history (2)

It doesnt look anywhere near sluttish unlike what I have seen some people dress their young children for beauty pageants though so I wonder what they found so offensive over it exactly.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
29. I s'pose I don't dress as "sluttish" as you have seen some people dress
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:12 PM
May 2012

... that is essentially my hot weather work outfit ... a cotton T-shirt and a cotton skirt that hits below the knees.

I'm 50 and work as a lowly paid professional ... there is nothing wrong with that hot weather outfit

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
68. My guess
Wed May 23, 2012, 08:32 PM
May 2012

would be that the dress code for that school, is in Afganhistan?.....Oh hell, let's execute her and her female school mates, they don't need no learnin' no how...they's be the properties of the mens.

Do you need a sarcasm smiley stanley?

DaveJ

(5,023 posts)
10. I Hate authority
Wed May 23, 2012, 06:57 PM
May 2012

Principals, Superintendents, Cops, Bosses, all of them, they all got deep psychological issues they can only resolve by trying to control other people's behavior.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
69. IMO most school admins are little fascist fucks.
Wed May 23, 2012, 08:33 PM
May 2012

They are emotionally immature creeps with power issues.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
30. I went to an all-boys Catholic HS, so we didn't have skirts...
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:12 PM
May 2012

but we did have the strict dress code.

We had to be clean shaven and if we showed up without having shaved, they sent us to the dean's office where you had to buy a razor for $2 and use the bathroom right there to shave. And you got detention.

You had to get a dress code pass if you were missing your belt or tie or jacket, and you also got detention for EACH violation (belt and tie = 2 days detention).

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
101. I could never understand the obsession with belts.
Thu May 24, 2012, 07:40 AM
May 2012

For another priest the obsession was orange, the color orange. Whenever the topic came up he auto-launched into the same ten minute lecture explaining the path from wearing orange pants to certain damnation. It didn't worry any of us, since no one had ever seen a pair of orange pants let alone worn any, but it did give people the idea that it might someday be fun.

All of the talk about grey to blue dress codes led one of the older students to actually read the code. There was no mention in the code of socks, and within a week 1/3 of us were sockless in our penny-loafers and wing-tips.

It took the priests that long to get it, but when they finally did you'd have thought the Red Army had arrived at the gate. Blue or black, two days Saturday detention, but then the fight carried on as to what constituted a properly ironed shirt.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
16. Good God! Child Pornography Posted At DU! If I wasn't so turned on, I would alert on this post.
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:02 PM
May 2012

Kidding. What idiots.

SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
17. Does anyone remember teachers with rulers?
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:02 PM
May 2012

who were to measure the hemline of the ladies skirts?

Her school must have a much stricter dress code than the schools in my area, now.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
24. Our principal in the 70's
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:09 PM
May 2012

walked around with a ruler in his back pocket,best part of his day was using that thing. Creepy little man with bulging eyes.Oh and girls couldn't wear jeans in our school until 1974.

FloridaJudy

(9,465 posts)
118. I remember teachers who made the girls kneel
Thu May 24, 2012, 03:01 PM
May 2012

And sent us home to change if the hems of our skirts didn't touch the floor. The ruler was used to make sure couples observed the proper distance while dancing.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with that outfit, but it wouldn't pass muster in my local school district, since they've passed a "uniform" code. The uniform consists of a solid color polo shirt (color choice yours) and neutral pants or skirt. I'm philosophically opposed to uniforms, but at least ours has the virtue of being affordable, since many stores sell the shirts at 3/$10. Parents in other districts may not be as lucky.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
19. I thought no more than 4 inches above the knee was the rule?
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:04 PM
May 2012

that skirt looks like about an half an inch above the knee.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
26. In what weird fundi corner of America is this inappropriate?
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:10 PM
May 2012

Is this in America?

Something is very very wrong with that principal...

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
31. you should see what they wear at our school!
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:14 PM
May 2012

like they are dressed for the beach! Cleavage showing, shorty shorts etc

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
33. This story was originally published on an Atheist website.
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:19 PM
May 2012

Then HuffPost, so it may be small town bigotry for her beliefs or her mother's beliefs (should I be saying disbeliefs?) and have nothing to do with her (perfectly fine) outfit.

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
48. This flap can't really be about the way
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:50 PM
May 2012

the girl was dressed. What I suggested may not be the reason, but it's not about dress code violations.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
34. The principal is a nutcase
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:23 PM
May 2012

I'd be taking that to the school board to make sure the missed day was not reflected in her record. Ridiculous.

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
36. Personally, I wish all students dressed this conservatively
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:24 PM
May 2012

I'm used to seeing short-shorts, teeny tank tops, tight pants, off the shoulder tops ... Honestly this looks like an outfit that could be worn to work on a warm day.

I've seen enough inappropriate attire on young women (and young men ... gotta love those muscle shirts and torn jeans) to be offended that a high school administration would have the time and energy to go after this young woman.

They need to see the skirts that don't quite cover the butt or the pants that reveal a full moon each time the student sits down. Then we'll talk.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
38. It looks fine to me. If I noticed anything, I was gonna guess they have a no-tshirt rule or somethin
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:34 PM
May 2012

like that. Just like sometimes they have a no-shirt-with-writing-on-it rule, etc.

But teh article says the skirt is a smidgeon too short. Ahhhhh, the old skirt too short rule. Since I went to school in the 50's & 60's, before girls were allowed to wear pants to school, I'm well aware of the length issue. Length issues are taken seriously. If a teacher suspected a girl of wearing a too-short skirt, you had to kneel down, & the skirt had to touch the floor (knee length).

Even if something looks great and isn't slutty, the schools have weird dress codes.

I suspect some teacher has it out for the kid. Or maybe she was unlucky enough for someone in the front office to notice her and not others. I hope she gave the front office people a piece of her mind, though. The amt that the skirt was too short was so minimal that it was ridiculous to pull her out of class and interrupt her learning for that.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
40. That would be perfectly acceptable attire in every office
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:39 PM
May 2012

I have ever worked in for the last 25 years. is wrong with these asshats?

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
44. In my day - girls couldn't wear black patent leather shoes either.
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:42 PM
May 2012

Boys could 'see' up their skirts.

And I remember deans with rulers - totally weird.

trackfan

(3,650 posts)
45. That's insane. Has the world gone bonkers?
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:42 PM
May 2012

When I was in Jr. High, in 19-freaking-71, girls wore skirts WAY shorter than that - I mean, like that one cut in less than half - and there was no uproar.

YellowRubberDuckie

(19,736 posts)
49. Put a cardigan sweater on it...
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:51 PM
May 2012

...and it's fine for my office. I think it's cute. Those teachers are just nitpicking probably because of their religious beliefs like someone else said up thread. They're atheists in Utah.

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
54. Of course, my granddaughters have a dress code similar to this. NO WAY would this be considered
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:55 PM
May 2012

"provocative."

How silly this is. I hope you fight this with all you've got!

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
55. In my school, this girl would be modest!!
Wed May 23, 2012, 08:03 PM
May 2012

Low cut shirts, short short short skirts and shorts. We have a dress code, but whenever a student is referred to the administration, they say she is "Fine."

YellowRubberDuckie

(19,736 posts)
56. You also have to take into account...
Wed May 23, 2012, 08:05 PM
May 2012

...if the person breaking the rules is breaking the rules on purpose or if it was an honest mistake.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
58. I think they are trying to push the envelope, because it gets worse and worse
Wed May 23, 2012, 08:08 PM
May 2012

all of the time. The poor male teachers are looking at cleavage half the day, and they can't say anything or someone will ask why they were noticing! Damned if they do, uncomfortable if they don't.

tblue37

(65,290 posts)
93. Those are TOMS shoes--it's a charity.
Thu May 24, 2012, 02:52 AM
May 2012

For very pair that is bought, the TOMS company donates a pair of shoes to a poor kid in another country.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
60. Looks fine to me...
Wed May 23, 2012, 08:14 PM
May 2012

I have to ask- does this school have cheerleaders? If so, why is it okay for them to wear skirts that are cut halfway up their thighs, but this attire is inappropriate?

BiggJawn

(23,051 posts)
64. No. her Principal is an Authoritarian Dickhead.
Wed May 23, 2012, 08:21 PM
May 2012

If that had been my daughter I'd probably be in jail right now.

Bet the schoolboard is infested with Teabaggers, too.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
66. Seriously? At my son's HS this is pretty much conservative attire.
Wed May 23, 2012, 08:28 PM
May 2012

We DO have some kids who dress inappropriately IMHO and no dress code, but their skirts are about half the length of this girl's. There is nothing inappropriate here.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
67. I think it's just fine, unlike the sexualized crap so many teen girls wear.
Wed May 23, 2012, 08:30 PM
May 2012

WTF is wrong with the school admins???

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
71. This doesn't make any sense. I went to middle school in the 90's - early 00's
Wed May 23, 2012, 08:39 PM
May 2012

and girls used to wear skirts like this all of the time.

Is there more to this story? Is the school dumb? Also, how do they know the exact length of her skirt? Did they measure it?

Igel

(35,296 posts)
82. Tough call.
Wed May 23, 2012, 10:54 PM
May 2012

You need to say more context.

Students come in almost daring you to punish them. They try to go right up (and a bit over) the line just to tweak the teachers' noses. It's the Nike shirts redux: "Go hard or go home", "Don't pump make the money shot", "accomplished in all positions", etc. The sexual innuendo is blatant--but it's still innuendo. If you don't nail them, then the meaning is permitted; if you do, then they innocently protest, "What do you mean? What could 'go hard' mean except 'really try'?"

If you don't enforce the rules when they're fairly silly to enforce, then you've basically failed the estoppal test: You've said that something isn't covered by the rules, something that is indistinguishable from something you want covered by the rules. Next time it's harder to enforce the rules to exclude what you want excluded and you're set up for a repeat, one that'll pry open the rules a bit more. So you have to be unreasonable and unreasoned at times. It's annoying for all.

It's not even the intent of the "offender" that matters. It's what others will make of the slight and partial bending of the rules.

We have a "no scruff" policy for guys. That includes facial hair of all sorts, without a doctor's note. I've sent guys to be shaved. And invariably, the guy I'm sending, one who hasn't shaved for a few days, will point to a guy just slightly less scruffy who probably shaved last night. "Why aren't you making *him* get a shave?" Well, if a bit of scruff is okay, why not more? And if not shaving for two days is okay, why not 3? If 3, why not 4?

The worst rule we have is the "no spaghetti strap" rule because it's undefined. What's the maximum width for a spaghetti strap? Does that width have to be for a minimum of 1" or 4"? Or some other length? (Okay, there are worse. "Don't show tattoos." So a girl comes to class with a tattoo on her cheek. What do you do, require a burqa? Send her home on permanent suspension? Put masking tape over the tattoo?)

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
89. "So a girl comes to class with a tattoo on her cheek. What do you do" Wellllllllll
Thu May 24, 2012, 12:23 AM
May 2012

one possible solution is to use computer technology to age her photo 50 to 60 years to show her and the rest of the class what her face will look like with said tattoo as she ages and it fades.
Odds are it isnt going to be pretty.

Response to Igel (Reply #82)

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
102. Dear lord...
Thu May 24, 2012, 09:44 AM
May 2012

Remind me not to have kids at your school. My presence at PTA meetings would mortify people.

I attended a summer study abroad program as a grad student, and the very conservative school had a dress code. I had to wear pants and long sleeves all summer to hide my ink. girls weren't supposed to wear shorts, anyway.
Talk about stifling creativity.

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
106. +100! I went to a school with strict dress codes and I know exatly what you're describing.
Thu May 24, 2012, 12:17 PM
May 2012

The only detention I ever got was for not shaving (going on 2-3 days). The pricipal would give me warnings all the time... "Those faces better be clean tomorrow, or I'll be seeing you after school... why can't you be more like your good freind Shawn, here? His face is as smooth as a baby's bottom!" (Shawn would sit there grinning at our admonishment cause Shawn didn't even have to shave, yet).

Well one day the vice principal comes up and hands me a detention slip, single edge bic disposable razor, and a bar of soap. "Clean up before next period and throw the razor away. If you're going to make a habbit of this, I suggest you invest in some shaving cream and keep it in your locker." He was of course referring to the fact that shaving with a bar of soap and shitty razor sucks ass... learned my lesson and came to school clean shaven.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
85. I wish my daughter dressed as inappropriate as that. There is nothing wrong with her outfit.
Wed May 23, 2012, 11:10 PM
May 2012

Even her shoes are very conservative.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
86. I'd say it's inappropriate
Wed May 23, 2012, 11:13 PM
May 2012

Junior high school girls should not dress like Republicans. And the color is ugly.

davsand

(13,421 posts)
91. Geesh, I think the kid looks fine. Is the school dress code honestly THAT conservative?
Thu May 24, 2012, 01:34 AM
May 2012

Honestly, I can't imagine a public school district anywhere in the US today with a dress code that conservative.

Having SAID that, however, I will say that if it is in the dress code that skirts have to be longer than the one in the photo then I'm not sure I could argue it with them. (Surely this is not news to the parents by the end of the school year???) The rule might be dumber than a squid, but if it is in the school policies they have a right to enforce it. Yes, I understand that all the cool kids are violating it, but it still is a rule (even IF I think it is complete bullshit.)

My daughter has a locker that is right outside the classroom occupied by the teacher nicknamed "The Clothing Nazi." From day one she knew that her wardrobe had to be in compliance or else that woman was probably gonna give her crap about it. My advice to her at the beginning of the year was to not only READ and memorize the school dress code, but to make a copy of it and keep it in her locker. I told her that if she got busted for wearing anything outside the dress code I'd support the school's decision, but if there was ever any question about her wardrobe when she was in compliance with the dress code I'd go to the mat for her.

Sure enough, one day this last winter, "The Clothing Nazi" starts on my daughter that her jeans were "torn" and not appropriate for school wear. (Now, I gotta admit that I think it is stupid as hell to be paying money for any article of clothing that has holes in it--but it is the fashion, and it is what my daughter chose to spend her money on.) My kid pulls that copy of the dress code out of her locker and promptly reads the pertinent parts to "The Clothing Nazi." The school dress code actually spells out where the tears can be and what can and can't show thru the holes. "The Clothing Nazi" gets pissed that my kid is reading the dress code to her--but she had to admit that the jeans are acceptable according to the dress code. She let her off with a "warning..."

Just like in real life, in any school, there are people out to bust your chops because they can. I figured my kid needed to learn how to deal with it now rather than later on, so that is how I chose to handle it.

YMMV.


Laura

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
92. It's definitely inappropriate to anyone with fashion sense.
Thu May 24, 2012, 02:06 AM
May 2012

~sigh~ What a horrid outfit! As far as, inappropriate dress...it's fine and very average for junior high schoolers to wear in this day in age. Very mousy in fact.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
95. I would be euphoric if the women I work with dressed like that
Thu May 24, 2012, 03:04 AM
May 2012

rather than dressing for whatever they are doing after work, which is rarely if ever appropriate office attire. Not that men don't also dress like fucking morons, but never so cringe worthy.

I bite my tongue and roll my eyes.

mikeytherat

(6,829 posts)
98. Considering the number of very young ladies who seem to dress from the Lil' Slutster line of attire,
Thu May 24, 2012, 05:55 AM
May 2012

I'd say she's dressed like a missionary.

mikey_the_rat

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
105. While not inapropriate sexually... if it violates a standardized dress code then it is unacceptable.
Thu May 24, 2012, 12:03 PM
May 2012

As they say, rules are rules. The dress code is, I'm sure, public knowledge to the parents and students. Personally, I prefer strict dress codes in schools (slacks & collered shirts for guys and skirts/pants and blouses for girls - no jeans or t-shirts).

I went to a private school and we had a pretty tight dress code. Makes dressing for school easier and alleviates alot of teenage drama invoved in staying up with fashion trends. I was pretty good about it in school and stayed out of trouble. In fact, the only detention I ever received was for not shaving... I had about a 2 day stubble and the vice-priciple handed me a bar of soap, disposable single blade bic razor, and a detention slip. I think lathering with bar soap and the single blade razor was a bigger punishment than detention - lol!

underseasurveyor

(6,428 posts)
109. It's very appropiate.
Thu May 24, 2012, 12:25 PM
May 2012

Anyone that thinks or implies otherwise needs intensive therapy and should stay away from young children and teens.

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
112. They couldn't ask her to pull her skirt down that half inch?
Thu May 24, 2012, 12:28 PM
May 2012

Good Gawd, people are so ridiculous! Must be someone who had bad experiences with nuns making her kneel down to make sure her uniform skirt touched the ground.

All I can say is that if I was out to attract my male junior high school classmates, that is NOT the kind of outfit I would wear. It's downright frumpy.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
114. Very inappropriate... in Victorian England
Thu May 24, 2012, 12:40 PM
May 2012

Very inappropriate... in Victorian England; yet in the here and now it seems a most modest outfit.

Give credit to our Victorian Prudes, their enablers, and finally, to their apologists for yet another delightfully absurd step backwards

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
115. Well you know if she didn't have a slip on you would be able to see her legs and
Thu May 24, 2012, 12:40 PM
May 2012

If she didn't have a bra on you'd be able to see her nipples, and if she didn't have a belt on you might figure out where her belly button is, and if she didn't have sleeves you might get a peak of her bra, or maybe something much much worse. And you can see her knees, her calves, her feet and most of her arms.

What kind of a mother are you to allow you daughter to wear that stuff?!

YellowRubberDuckie

(19,736 posts)
117. LOL Not my kid.
Thu May 24, 2012, 02:31 PM
May 2012

I just posted the article because I thought it was crazy and GD would love it.
Looks like I was right.

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