Thomas Mann and Norm Ornstein were on MJ this morning.

[One of the 99]

I loved how Joey's head looked like it was about to explode when they presented facts that discredited his GOP talking points. Priceless!

[leftynyc]

1. I'm going to have to find the video

I think this is the first show to have these two guys on since they wrote that article. It seems everyone is afraid of them.

[Enrique]

4. yes, they have been shut out

Norman Ornstein has been on TV about a zillion times over the years, but he says they have been pushing hard to get on TV to promote this book with no luck. Until now, I guess.

[CTyankee]

23. He used to be a regular on Al Franken's Air America radio show. Al would sing (loud and badly)

"Norm in the USA! Norm in the USA!" as an introduction, until finally Ornstein told him to knock it off which Al politely did. Al did a very loud and very bad Springsteen...

Al also used to refer to Ornstein as the "smartest person in Washington," a high honor coming from Franken...

[PatSeg]

28. Oh

He is THAT Norm? I had no idea. I used to listen to Al Franken and remember Norm, but I had no visual.

[One of the 99]

6. It's already up on the MSNBC website

Here's the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_joe/#47548926

[uponit7771]

7. +1

[leftynyc]

10. Thanks a bunch

I can't watch at work but sent myself an email so I don't forget to check it out.

[gratuitous]

12. And this morning's debacle might just cement the shut-out

Who in the popular media wants to look like a total chump? They've been peddling their "both sides do it" line for so long, they don't even think about it anymore, and inviting someone on who is credible, has a good command of the facts, and presents well is like a garlic necklace to a vampire.

[CTyankee]

24. Well, the tide is turning. There is more and more opinion out there, getting mainstream,

that is forcefully disputing the "both sides" meme. Their voices are getting louder and louder and there are more of them...

[leftynyc]

27. I think you're right

These guys blew the false equivalence argument right out of the water. We wont be seeing them again.

[CTyankee]

19. I'm sure it is up on the Morning Joe page of msnbc.tv

I think Joe is afraid of them, too...he was pretty weak...

[bluedeminredstate]

2. Joe was spinning furiously

He likes to talk about when he was in Congress and he kept trying to talk about the "extreme left" but he pretty much had his ass handed to him. Very nice to watch. Too bad Mika is too intimidated to do that every day. Same with Willie and the worthless Mark Halperin.

[One of the 99]

5. Halperin just looked sick

while they were talking. So did Mika. Mann and Ornstein destroyed the narrative they've all been pushing on that show for the last few years.

[malaise]

8. When he was in Congress or

As my late father said or his grandmother said.

Joe Scum is a ReTHUG hack through and through! The non-stop ReTHUG talking points are beyond vulgar.

[PatSeg]

14. If I hear about his father

driving by the closed steel factories one more time, I'll scream! And when his father was unemployed or when they drove through upper class neighborhoods, knowing they could live there some day. He says the same crap over and over again.

I'd love to know what goes through the minds of the others at the table, "Oh no, there he goes again with the same old tired stories."

[malaise]

15. Bwaaaaaaaaah hahahahha

You'r4e cracking me up here

[PatSeg]

16. And we all know people

like Joe, who retell the same stories word-for-word oblivious to the fact that we've all heard them and we're suppressing an audible groan! Its bad enough that he is a classic bully, but he's also a cliche.

[CTyankee]

20. Joe actually said that people have a drinking game when he starts talking about his time in

Congress. It's a running joke on that show...

[PatSeg]

26. That's so funny

Ah the nineties when Joe and Newt joined forces with President Clinton and saved the world! Pay no attention to the impeachment hearings over there - that was just a little prank.

Republicans are so funny. They take credit for everything they did, everything the Democrats did, and a bunch of stuff they just made up, kind of like most of the fantasy Reagan administration.

[CTyankee]

29. And Ornstein and Mann promptly knocked those arguments down.

For once, Joe was up against two guys who really knew what they were talking about...

Joe's argument in return? "well, I disagree..." which is of course no argument at all...

[PatSeg]

32. Joe

is usually pretty careful to surround himself with people who either agree with him or people he can bully. I'm often amazed at how much more interesting the regulars are when Joe isn't there and Mika is a totally different person.

[malaise]

33. He really was silenced by

facts

[PatSeg]

34. Well..........

not completely silent. I could swear I heard him sputtering. After all it is HIS show. How dare anyone disagree with him?

He'll probably try and have them banned from MSNBC like he did with Markos Moulitsas. I'm sure there were others as well.

[BeyondGeography]

3. He's a typical bully

Doesn't know how to respond when he gets hit.

[sadbear]

9. Having Democrats in control of all branches is going to allow the republican moderates to reemerge?

Maybe if Democrats are in power long enough, but in the short term, they'll move even further to the right.

[CTyankee]

21. I think Ornstein and Mann are right. Dems need to be in control to get this country moving.

And the pubs will be forced to the center. To do that they'll have to toss the Tea Party and other extremists under the bus. Otherwise, there will be no repuke party to speak of...

[Lint Head]

11. Nothing like facts to make any GOP idiot look even more idiotic.

[goclark]

13. Wish I had seen that one

Joe is a Bully of the highest order.

I've noticed that they were "trying" to "balance" a few months ago but now it is full steam ahead for Romney.

Mica is afraid to say anything., so are the others.

MJ must have received the $$$$ from the Big Boys that he could not resist and he many have given hisLap Dogs a few pennies.

[PatSeg]

31. I noticed that major shift too

During the primaries, Joe was actually very reasonable for the most part and was extremely critical of the republican candidates. Then he woke up one morning and was emanating profuse love for Romney. It was not subtle change at all.

I don't think he believes half of what he says, because his humanity actually leaks out now and then.

[Dawson Leery]

17. Dead Intern Joe becomes mean when challenged.

[CTyankee]

18. I was amazed that Joe even had them on!

But Joe knew he couldn't get into an argument on the merits with them, particularly Ornstein, who is a true intellectual. That's why Joe just gave his smarmy smile and mumbled "well, I don't agree..." If he had tried to argue with Ornstein, he would have been put away fast by Ornstein's impressive intellect...

[Dawson Leery]

22. Though trying to spin, Dead Intern appeared humble and defensive.

[CTyankee]

25. He knew better than to tangle with Ornstein.

He knew he would be demolished...

[tallahasseedem]

30. I'll be buying that book on my Kindle later...

fantastic appearance!

[kentuck]

35. I wish they had brought up the point...

...that when Newt and the Repubs took over Congress in January 1995, Bill Clinton's program had already cut the deficit by 40% on the way to a balanced budget. They did it without a single Republican vote. Joe Scarborough likes to credit the Repubs with the balanced budget but they voted unanimously against the Clinton plan AND they proved they had nothing to do with it as soon as Bush became President and started running up the debt and deficit once again. Them's the facts, folks.

[One of the 99]

36. Actually they did.

That's when Joey's head almost exploded.

[kentuck]

37. They only mentioned that no Repub signed on..

to the Clinton plan but nothing about 40% of the deficit already being cut before Newt and the gang took over.