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[demmiblue]

1. Ummm... let me think about that.

No. Just no.

And this to boot.

[zappaman]

2. Is this some sort of poor attempt at satire?

[ohheckyeah]

3. As long as it remains

in the union it is to everyone's best interest to give it aid. There are people suffering. We should take care of our own even when we have issues.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

24. Sorry no it is not in everyone's best interest

The best thing we can do is cut our losses and give them what they want, their walking papers

[ohheckyeah]

37. Well, it's certainly in

the best interests of adult, thinking, and feeling human beings.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

39. You said everyone and that includes myself and others who were not asked

Perhaps limiting the group who is really interested and asked would be more correct

[ohheckyeah]

42. What would really

be correct is it is in the best interest of everyone and those who think their childish revenge plan is a good idea should have to be in the same situation. Seriously, there are good and decent humans who live in South Carolina. It is part of the United States and therefore eligible for aid. Don't like it? Too bad.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

68. f em I say I will never consider that place part of America

Same goes for their neighbors too

[rbrnmw]

70. You sound so nice

Bless your heart

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

72. Ah yes the southern f you

That the best ya got?

[kentauros]

94. Well, how about the DU FU:

Welcome to ignore.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

95. I don't care do what you want

[ohheckyeah]

85. Fortunately,

it's not up to you.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

87. It is unfortunate oh well f em anyway

[ohheckyeah]

90. One would think

that great blue state you are from would have taught you how to write a proper sentence.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

96. Perhaps it is because I went to a southern HS.

Or it could be I am posting from my phone too

Take yer pick

[cherokeeprogressive]

101. OR, it could be you're just making excuses/blaming others for your shortcomings.

There be MY pick.

[cherokeeprogressive]

100. It's probably never occured to you that there is a Democrat living on every fucking street in the US

Never once. Schmart.

[onenote]

41. Nice to know you have such sympathy for the 1.5 million African American and Hispanic residents

of South Carolina that are among those hurt most by these storms. There are idiots who advocate secession in most states. But they are hardly representative of the state as a whole. And while Repubs are the dominant party in SC, around 40 percent of the South Carolina state legislature are Democrats. I guess you don't give a rat's ass about them either.

Grow up.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

71. I do not give a shit about sc at all They already get 6 times what they pay in taxes back

They get enough more then enough

If folks don't like it they can move

People swim accross oceans and seas to get to a better place all they have to do is walk in relative safety to a better place

[No Vested Interest]

73. Those figures on what they get from Federal government include

military bases.
We all know there are more military bases in the Southern states than in the north, and along US shore lines.
Citizens from all over the US serve on those bases.
Facts matter.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

75. Fact is I dont care give em boot straps and send em packin

Let them take care of them selves instead of enriching the 1%

[onenote]

78. and in what state do you live

(other than the obvious state of confusion).

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

81. A good blue one with good jobs schools and world class medical facilities

Not some southern shit hole where they can't take care of themselves

[Throd]

82. Care to name your state?

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

86. No because you may be a stalker freak. However I used to live in red states so I am very familiar

With how bad they are

I did not like where I was so I left forever for a better place where I am now

[Throd]

88. Get over yourself.

I live in a very Republican area of California. By your logic, Sacramento should tell us to fuck off if anything bad happens here.

[leftofcool]

59. Oh great!

[jberryhill]

4. No thanks

[Samantha]

5. Sorry, I disagree

I would never allow myself to think like this because I would then be assuming the same mentality many of us in the past have found so objectionable. We have to be better than that.

Sam

[busterbrown]

6. Understand your feelings..

remember, I would think close to 25% of the population might be dems. Must send aid..

[TheMastersNemesis]

8. I Did Not Say To Withhold Aid. But Remember This.

If it were up to many South Carolinians there would be no Social Security, No ACA, No Medicare, No Food Stamps, etc. They voter EVERY time for politicians who say they would end these programs. And from what I remember their delegation voted against Sandy aid.

[kentauros]

67. You may not have used the specific word "withold."

But you said just the same thing in your title:

Let Them Fix Their Own State.

Unless you either self-delete or edit your title, I'm going to consider that you're yet another one of these [font color="blue"]Conditionally Compassionate[/font] liberals DU seems to attract.

[CBGLuthier]

7. may sound cruel?

Yeah it sounds like that and a few other things I won't mention as they would very much be personal attacks and questions about your personality.

You have a poor attitude towards your fellow man.

[oberliner]

9. Disgusting post

Just absolutely vile.

[cwydro]

22. Ditto.

Plus a thousand.

[BarackTheVote]

10. There are still good people in SC

eom

[brer cat]

11. What a horrid attitude. nt

[drm604]

12. There are also many good people in SC.

Regarding the not so good people; abandoning them now wouldn't teach them a lesson, at least not a good one. It would simply harden their attitudes.

Instead, we need to set an example of good behavior by helping. Maybe some of them will learn from that. And if they don't, at least we'll know that we did the right thing whether they appreciate it or not.

[olddots]

13. nobody gets to choose where they were born

jeez I was born in Jersy .

[geek tragedy]

14. After SC's entire house delegation voted against Sandy aid, I would favor aid

only if those reps say "pretty please with sugar on it."

The games the red states tried to play with Sandy--because it hit blue states--will not be forgiven any time soon.

[onenote]

47. Jim Clyburn voted for Sandy aid as I recall.

[geek tragedy]

50. I think he didn't vote on one and voted for it on the other.

The rest of those pigs should appear hat-in-hand and beg for the money.

[onenote]

57. Clyburn and one SC repub voted for the first bill. Clyburn alone voted for the second one.

[struggle4progress]

15. SC certainly has its share of big noisy bags filled with noxious gas,

bless their tiny hearts and pointy little heads

But I think payback is usually a waste of time and energy in Congress

On the other hand, a barrage of citizen letters to various local SC papers might sway some minds

I'm thinking of something like

"SC Representative Tiny Heart voted against Federal funding for disaster relief for other states after Hurricane Sandy, but I notice he was happy to vote for Federal disaster relief for SC after Hurricane Joaquin. Although most of Americans are willing to help their fellow citizens when disaster strikes, it is disappointing to see SC continue to elect people who expect help when they need it, but are unwilling to give the same to others when others need it. Attitudes like that can create unnecessary hard feelings; and then some speculation naturally follows about exactly when SC plans to set aside its resentments from the late unpleasantness between the states back in great-great-great-grandpop's day. It will be a great day when we can all again make common cause to build an ever-better country."

[Andy823]

28. Great idea

They should get the aid, but I agree that letters to the papers like the piece you wrote would be a good idea.

[hedgehog]

49. What can I say but

[cwydro]

16. This OP doesn't surprise me in the least.

You do know that there are DUers from SC, right?

Hey, you ever been in an awful weather event? I have.

You should self-delete this ridiculous OP.

[No Vested Interest]

17. There are too many mean-spirited OPs on DU.

Bitterness does not serve Democrats well.
When I see the same person exhibiting mean thoughts on a regular basis, I put them on my Ignore list.
Just added three last week.

[DrDan]

18. generalize much?

[npk]

19. You can't do that without punishing innocent people who live there

You are saying that we should cut off aid to the entire state of SC because some idiots who live there want to secede or hate the Federal Government or hate President Obama. Aside from the fact that this would actually play into the hands of these idiots, you would be punishing at the very least African Americans who are living in that state, and a lot of other good people who do not consider themselves "rednecks" who like to fly the confederate flag.

[Tsiyu]

20. 865,941 people in South Carolina

voted for Obama/Biden in 2012.

I won't say what all of them would or should say to you.

Just:




Edit to add: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_South_Carolina,_2012

[narnian60]

91. +100

[Quackers]

21. If someone's life is at risk, my politics take a back seat. nt

[Captain Stern]

23. Most People From SC Don't Want To Secede. They Don't Hate The Feds & Obama. Let's Help Them.

Of course, they do have some sorry leadership, and there are more people that identify as Republican there than there are people there that identify as Democrats, but the split is only 44-39.

There are no 'blue' states or 'red' states, just purple ones. Punishing a state because it has more people from the 'other team' than it does from our own team, is pretty much exactly the same thing that they were trying to do after hurricane Sandy. I hope we're a lot better than that.

[Paladin]

29. Lotsa luck with that argument.

I've used it over the years, practically word-for-word, with regard to Texas. Doesn't work with the smug blue state types.

[atreides1]

61. Are you sure?

The leadership isn't what's sorry I would put that label on the voters that elect them.

The voters(majority) got exactly what they wanted, representation that denies the needs of others like Hurricane Sandy victims...and then they forget how they voted, like Senator Graham did!

Do you think being "better" is going to change the way the 44% think?

I made a comment yesterday and realized it was wrong to say what I said, and while being the better person is admirable...there comes a time when the choice is being the better ones or just get abused by those that hate our guts!!!

[Captain Stern]

63. I don't think being 'better' is going to change the way the 44% think.

But I think that being 'just as bad' might change the way that the 39% of the people there that are Democrats think.

[cherokeeprogressive]

25. Proud to be the 5th rec.

This belongs on the greatest page.

[cwydro]

26. Seriously?

You want to punish the people who live in SC because of their corrupt politicians?

You do know that there are numerous DUers in SC, right?

Smh.

[cherokeeprogressive]

32. It seriously needs to be on the greatest page so people will see how fucked up it is...

I argued this shit all day Sunday in some other asshole's thread.

[cwydro]

60. Well, you keep up the good work there.

Sad.

[cherokeeprogressive]

69. From Sunday...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7230589

[cwydro]

74. My apologies. I misunderstood you.

These ugly threads got me so upset that my reading comprehension suffered.

You're usually one of my favorite posters so I was even more astounded.

Now I see it was my bad.

Truly amazed at what I've been reading lately.

[cherokeeprogressive]

99. No need to apologize. I figured it was something like that. Not to mention the fact...

I was intentionally deceptive. I was trying to get some jerk with no compassion at all to chime in with some kind of "right on!" or something stupid like that. So no problem.

The idiots who post crap like this have probably never even considered the probability there is at least one Democrat living on every freaking street in this country. Every. Freaking. Street. That's why I get so angry at those south bashing idiots who seem to crawl out from under their rock every day (I find they're usually from that hole called the Northeast LOL).

If you go back and look at the thread I linked, I was the first to call out the hatred. Then of course the dufus says he didn't say what he said... Yeah; not in so many words. The hatred in that thread is breathtaking and makes me wonder how some of those people make it through the day with so much hatred in their hearts. On top of everything, the dufus who started that thread called MY posts in that thread inflammatory, LOL.

[leftynyc]

27. This NYer has no desire

to sink to the level of those who questioned whether we needed the aid or how to pay for it after Sandy. SC needs help. NYers taxpayers and their reps will vote to help - it's that simple.

[nitpicker]

30. It's not just the people in SC that are affected by all this

The multitude of road closures include parts of I-95.

Want to travel by road from the NE to eastern FL/GA ((or vice versa))? Lots of luck ((and long detours)).

[Dems to Win]

31. I'd send them a pair of bootstraps

It's a good thing the Dems in Congress are better people than me, they'll vote for SC assistance.

Most of the Repubs won't, but the Dems will send the money. Then the people in South Carolina will return their climate-change-denying, cut-welfare-for-those-other-people, we're so much better Christians than you, Reps back to Congress.

Sigh.

[LanternWaste]

33. I think you've been gazing into the abyss a wee bit too long.

I think you've been gazing into the abyss a wee bit too long. Your words are those of whom you criticize.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

34. No. I mean, really? Jeez.

This post is like algae for the scum sucker Right-Wing Neanderthals over at their Dwelling Place who would otherwise thankfully starve to death.

"DUmmies want South Carolina to drown! Herpy Derpy Derp Derp!"

Never mind the almost universal rejection of the idea in the comment section.

Please, think before you post. Don't feed the Neanderthals.

[muntrv]

35. Don't forget all the SC reps voted against Hurricane Sandy relief.

[TheMastersNemesis]

36. Now They Are DEMANDING Immediate Federal Aid.

How long will it be that they propose federal funding for their state.

And the people in South Carolina would vote these people in again and again. If that hurricane had hit NY or NJ their delegation would vote AGAINST funding again and again.

[onenote]

44. If I can get this woman's address, will you send her a note telling her she doesn't deserve any help

from the government?

[Dems to Win]

51. Her own governor and legislature don't think she deserves Medicaid (if she's low income)

If the US sends money to South Carolina, will the money go to her, or to rebuild coastal mansions? Like the Bush mansion in Kennebunkport or the Trent Lott mansion in Mississippi, rebuilt with tax dollars.

South Carolina leaders are climate deniers who did their part to create this problem. South Carolina leaders are known for not allowing public benefits to trickle down to the citizens who need them.

Tough sell to demand money be sent to the leaders the people of South Carolina have chosen.

[onenote]

56. Nice avoidance of the question.

[Dems to Win]

38. Not quite all. Rep. Jim Clyburn, Dem SC voted yes

If it were up to me, we'd send plenty of aid to Clyburn's district, but the rest would pound sand. Luckily it's not up to me.

[onenote]

43. and nothing to the people who live in disricts represented in the state legislature by Democrats?

Which happens to be nearly 40 percent of the state senators and more than 35 percent of the state representatives.

Brilliant thinking there. It's not just lucky these things aren't up to you. Its common sense.

[Dems to Win]

46. Common sense would demand they have mandatory climate change education before receiving aid

Seriously.

The majority of voters in 5 of 6 congressional districts send demonstrably ignorant people to DC as their reps. They are proud of their anti-science, anti-environment stances.

In a very real sense, the people of SC brought this on themselves. As a very pragmatic matter, we should demand they WAKE UP in return for any money sent their way.

Won't happen, of course, but I can squawk about it.

[onenote]

48. Squawk away. But exactly what did the "people" of SC "bring upon themselves"

[Dems to Win]

52. All those SUVs burning fossil fuels. Yee Haw! Now they are wading in the results.

[onenote]

66. So I guess you think NJ deserved Sandy and Louisiana deserved Katrina

Those states have SUVs too.

[Throd]

40. You have become the thing you hate.

Will you hate the thing you have become?

[mercuryblues]

45. can you

at least wit until all the dead bodies are found before you act like an ass?

[RKP5637]

53. Not everyone in SC thinks that way. Problem is, the jerks always get the MSM attention. n/t

[rbrnmw]

54. WOW how humane of you

My loved ones don't deserve help I've seen the light I guess I will send them some boot straps

[whathehell]

55. Yep, they want that help from "Big Gubmint" -- all that 'free stuff"

They'd just rather not give it to others, especially if the are "other" in their view.

[brewens]

58. Consider any kind of trolling or phony letters to the editor posing as an anti-guvmint

crank that will refuse any guvmint handouts. We wouldn't want to screw good people out of help they need, but it doesn't hurt to rub it in the faces of the morans.

It's what they lack really. They can never put themselves in the other guys shoes. They think it can't happen to them.

[KamaAina]

62. Nope. Rebuild everything and festoon it with signs

reading "Your Tax Dollars At Work".

[moondust]

77. Teachable moment FTW. n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

64. I'd do the opposite, but with attitude. That means sending as much aid as possible and lots of signs

letting people know where that aid is coming from, with direct mention of the United States Government and President Barack Husein Obama, written in full, with photo.
I would call on all the Democrats from Sandy afflicted areas to loudly support aid for South Carolina while constantly mentioning that SC representatives save for one all voted against helping their own districts and States. Loudly, on television and in the Congress.

Lots of money, lots of rhetoric.

[tularetom]

65. No, they should get the aid they need maybe with a string or two attached

They need to be reminded of their place in the pecking order but denying aid to people in trouble is not the way to do it.

What you are proposing is the way republicans act.

[onenote]

79. What exactly is "their place in the pecking order"

and how exactly is this "pecking order" determined?

[Logical]

76. Some whiner alerted this.....

On Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:55 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Many People From SC Want To Secede. They Hate The Feds & Obama. Let Them Fix Their Own State.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027235344

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is some vile anti American crap right here. This isn't what Democrats are about, or an image that DU should be projecting.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:06 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[cwydro]

83. I don't alert on posts, but this OP is ugly and vile -

as others have commented in the thread.

There are DUers in SC, and we should be better than this. I guess you think those suffering in weather events are whiners?

Trashing thread now.

[stage left]

80. Please cite your statistics

concerning the number of South Carolinians who want to secede from the union.

[Thinkingabout]

84. This is not nice, I would say there are many more in SC who do not talk about seceding than those

talking about doing this. Don't throw the baby out with the water.

[Blue_In_AK]

89. There are idiots everywhere,

but there are also many good and decent people who deserve help.

[maveric]

92. Lindsey Graham could be the president of SC.

With the guy that yelled "You Lie" as the VP.

[Cal Carpenter]

93. Add me to the list of people who think this line of thought`

is pretty fucking disgraceful.

[Iggo]

97. And many don't. What about them?

Which many should we care more about?

[Oilwellian]

98. It is the help the people will receive...

that will have them seeing their elected officials in a new light. This is the very kind of thing that changes hearts and minds. I hope most of us never lose our sense of decency for some political ploy.

[Teamster Jeff]

102. By all means help them.....then send the Governor the bill

Personal responsibility - bootstraps and all that

[cascadiance]

103. Get rid of this welfare queen state! Ranked 40th in states getting less than what they pay in...

As noted in these rankings...

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

They are the worst state in ratings on taxpayer investment on this page.