Where is Romney's Birth Certificate?

[goclark]

I did a google and asked that question and I was shocked by the information I learned.


Just a few items that may be well known to most members of DU but I just came back recently......

His Dad was born in Mexico .
His great grandfather left the US and had a Romney family colony in Mexico ~ lots of interesting information on that one.

Where is his Birth Certificate !?
One google said Mitt was born in Detroit -- OK, where is that Birth Certificate?

They keep on pounding our President, every day!

It's easy to google President Obama's adorable Birth Announcement from the local paper in Hawaii.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

Democrats have every right to force Mitt to produce his-- did I miss something?
Why does Mitt get a free pass?

Almost forgot: Where are Mitt's Tax Returns?

[underseasurveyor]

1. Seriously?

Wow, I wanna see sMitt's birth certificate, yes I do. The LONG form

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

54. Don't worry - Donald Trump's imaginary Hawaiian investigators will get right on it

After they share with us 'the amazing things - that they can not believe' that he told us about last year.

[bluesbassman]

2. Locked up in an off-shore safe deposit box.

[freshwest]

6. Well played. It's there with all his other secrets...

[scoostraw]

51. Too funny

But a valid question to ask. Let's see those tax returns too.

[treestar]

3. Amen to this

Every person who runs for President should be required to present a birth certificate now. Any other position on that subject proves the birth certificate requirer to be a racist.

On the less serious side, androids don't have birth certificates.

[randome]

4. We already know it's racist.

Don't expect racists to admit to being racist.

And androids can at least mimic human beings better.

[tabbycat31]

10. Hey don't go insulting phones

You are giving a good smartphone platform a bad name by comparing them to rMoney.

[Ruby the Liberal]

41. Surely the date of manufacture is on the warranty?

[ProfessionalLeftist]

5. Yes, where indeed are the white boy's papers?

Inquiring minds...

[snooper2]

7. You should post this in the dungeon, oops, I mean "creative speculation"

I'm sure some truthers have some spare cycles lately

Get them on it and start some court cases- let's see the action!

[GObamaGO]

8. Are we really resorting to these tired and dirty tactics?

President Obama is running on his record. Dirty tricks like the above are not only not necessary, but really tacky.

[randome]

9. And fraught with the possibility of going wrong.

Remember Bush, Jr's service papers? Looked like a slam dunk at first, didn't it?

The moment we stop behaving rationally and with deliberation is the moment when it can all go to hell.

[GObamaGO]

16. Exactly.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. What's a dirty trick? read all the posts above. Do you mean just asking to see it ? nt

[goclark]

18. Don't see it as a dirty trick

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I see it as any other response to a position held by either party.

What are the candidates views or Immigration?
The Economy?
Health Care

Where are the candidates Tax Returns?

When they start talking that Birther Mess, ask them back --" where is Romney's ? "

We won't get an answer but we need to start asking the question.
After I read all the googles I was more convinced than ever --- "Where are Your Papers - Mitt Romney?"

It should not be a problem, all he has to do is present them -- we know what will happen but it should be the response whenever they talk about My President.
Ms. goclark also happens to be African American -- issues like this are very painful to me and to my people.

[Amster Dan]

44. Fire with Fire!

Not only do I wanna see Mitt's birth certificate, I want TSA sniffer dogs to inspect his magic underwear!

[Ganja Ninja]

11. It's actually just an inspection stamp.

He's was factory made.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

13. Was Romney a so-called "anchor baby"

Even if Romney can prove he was born here, did his father legally immigrate from Mexico? There are many Republicans right now who want to pass legislation narrowing the 14th amendment and disqualify U.S. born children of illegal aliens from citizenship and deport them. Did Mitt's father completely comply with immigration law as it existed when he immigrated to the U.S.? Where are Romney's father's papers? Will Mexico take Romney back?

[rocktivity]

19. According to a 2007 Think Progress.com article

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Mitt's great-grandfather moved his wives to Mexico to avoid arrest after the Edmunds Act was passed, stripping U.S. polygamists of their rights to vote or hold public office (but not of citizenship per se). Mitt's grandparents, who married monogamously, were born there, and so was Mitt's father. In 1912, the grandparents fled the Mexican Revolution for the U.S. and settled in Michigan, where Mitt was born and his father became governor.

While Mitt is definitely a U.S. citizen by virtue of being born on US soil (and I'm presuming that his mother was a US citizen), his father became one only through marriage. But if he was technically in the country illegally, then Michigan definitely an illegal immigrant as a governor.

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rocktivity

[onenote]

25. Your post is evidence of why the Romney birth certificate argument is dumb

First, there isn't any question that Mitt Romney was born in the US and is a US citizen and demanding to see his birth certificate only validates the birthers' demands to see Obama's. Being as ridiculous as the birthers is not the best counter to the birthers' ridiculousness.

Second, it doesn't help when we make arguments that don't hold up. In order for Michigan to "definitely" have had an "illegal immigrant" for a governor, the immigration of George, with his family, to the US in 1912 would have to have violated the immigration laws of the time. Only thing -- there were virtually no immigration laws in 1912 and none that would appear to apply to George Romney. So, on top of lowering ourselves to the level of the ridiculous birthers, we support our stance with arguments that, like the birthers, have no foundation in law.

Not the smartest strategy, imo.

[rocktivity]

26. It really all hinges on whether Mitt's grandparents became US citizens

simply by entering the country. But I can understand if they didn't go out of their way to find out -- it might have resulted in their arrest and/or losing custody of their children.


rocktivity

[onenote]

28. No, it would hinge on whether Mitt's grandparents ever lost their citizenship.

Mitt's grandparents -- George's parents -- both were born in the United States and thus were US citizens at the time they moved with their respective parents to Mexico. There is no indication that I've ever seen that either of George's parents ever renounced their US citizenship (just living in Mexico wouldn't result in a loss of citizenship). So its hard to see how George - a US citizen by virtue of the fact his parents were born in the US -- could be an "illegal" immigrant. Even if Mitts' great-grandparents (George's grandparents), who also were born in the US, had renounced their citizenship at some point, that wouldn't affect the citizenship status of their children who were born in the US themselves.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

33. It could be a little more complicated than that

I'm not aware of all the facts surrounding Romney's family nor of the specific date his father came to the U.S. Citizenship acquired by a child born abroad of U.S. parents isn't and hasn't always been automatic. The child must be born in legal wedlock as one of the requirements for automatic citizenship (that's today and I'm not sure of the law when Romney's father came, whenever that was). If Romney's father was born as a result of a polygamous marriage, he would have perhaps been considered illegitimate as polygamy was considered an immoral and deportable offense. Under the Immigration Act of 1891, the federal government acquired the right to examine the entry of aliens and exclude and deport them under several restrictions including poverty, disease, and the advocacy of polygamy. If an illegitimate child is born of a U.S. parent I believe he must verify his birth before his 18th birthday. If Romney's father was a child of a polygamous marriage, or if he practiced polygamy in Mexico, or if he advocated polygamy and lied about any of these things when he was examined by U.S. immigration, and if he didn't take the proper steps to confirm U.S. citizenship, that itself might have rendered him liable for deportation. I know that's a lot of "ifs" and speculation, but hey, I despise the fucker.

[onenote]

38. gaskell romney was the child of Miles Park Romney's first wife

Working through the generations:

Miles Park Romney and Hannah Hill were married and had a son, Gaskell, who was born in the US prior to Miles Park Romney relocating to Mexico (when Gaskell was 14). Hannah was the first of Miles Park Romney's three wives and I don't see any basis on which Gaskell's status as a US citizen could be called into question by the later polygamous marriages of his father. George Romney was born in Mexico, the child of Gaskell and Amelia (who was born in Salt Lake City and presumably also was a US citizen). George Romney's parents (Gaskell and Amelia) were monogamous, so I'm not sure that any of the theories by which you suggest he might not be considered a citizen would seem to apply.

I'm not pointing this out because I have any fondness for Mitt, who I find to be loathesome scum. But before folks start making birther type arguments about Mitt (or his father), they ought to do what the Obama birthers have always refused to do: check the facts.

[IggleDoer]

35. Were Mitt's grandparents legal immigrants to Mexico.

Did they will in their papers properly, etc.?

[onenote]

39. Not sure what you're asking?

First, how would the immigration status under Mexican law of Gaskell and Amelia Romney (Mitt's grandparents, both born in the US) impact their citizenship under US law? And what are referring to when you ask whether they "will in their papers properly?" As previously indicated, there is no indication that either Gaskell or Amelia ever renounced the US citizenship they acquired by virtue of being born in the US.

[rocktivity]

40. Seeing as Mexico wasn't big on polygamy, either,

probably not.


rocktivity

[treestar]

47. Probably not since Romney's grandfather had been born in the US

However, you are correct in that right wing types who think the 14th Amendment should be adjusted not to allow citizenship to children of aliens, if applied, should mean Mitt is not a Natural Born Citizen. Some birthers admit Obama was born in the US but that having an alien for a parent should mean he is not a "natural born citizen" which is required only for the Presidency. Therefore it is quite suspicious that they have never required to see Rmoney's Birth certificate and that they even nominated him.

[SoutherDem]

14. I want to see it too

The long form,
Then I will still question it!

[Bake]

15. Birth Certificate? More like "Certificate of Assembly."

Where was the Mitt-Robotron-2012 assembled?

That's what I want to know!

Bake

[thelordofhell]

17. He has a Spawn Certificate

I'm not sure which Demon is on the form

[treestar]

48. LOL exactly

[Iliyah]

20. Yes, I agree, from now on it should be required

that all presidential candidates should show their birth certificate and put on internet, web, YT, FB, and any other social media, media itself, and so forth.

The sane people already know that by law, you can not obtain the "original" birth certificate and that a CERTIFIED COPY by law is legal.....

The insane people are just that, crazy s.o.b.s.

Besides the birth certificate I want to see his tax returns as well. Honestly, I don't care if Mitten's mom was a surrogate, it just pissing me off - hypocrisy!

[goclark]

27. Thanks

to so many who feel the way I do.

When my fellow Democrats go to vote in this election, maybe then we will realize that the Republicans had the NERVE to "make new rules" about our ability to vote.

What the hell are we waiting for?

People say we just have to " Get Out the Vote and Obama will win."
As much as I would love to believe that is all it takes, we need a Wake Up Call.

Where are our Don't Suppress the Vote Procedures?
Just to DRIVE in LA with a photo ID people have to stand in line for hours and hours to even apply - how many people in this Economy, can take the time to do that "once easy" task?

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/voting_law_changes_in_2012

[malaise]

21. Yeh where are those tax returns?

[goclark]

30. Tax Returns are missing for lack of action

and no one seems to care.

Can you just imagine if the shoe had been on Obama's foot!

Democrats are just such nice people but we are forgetting that this is not a Fair Election this is set up by them to be a Stolen Election - that's why they will say anything and do anything and get away with it.

[malaise]

31. Rmoney won't escape re tax returns

The demands will be louder as the election approaches.

[lsewpershad]

22. You know how it is

Blacks are born in trees and Romney was born in a hospital... hehe.

[kentuck]

23. I think that is a perfectly legitimate question...

...since his great- grandfather moved to Mexico and had a family colony there. As far as we know, Romney could have been born in Kenya.

[goclark]

29. I agree

Yes he could have been born any where -- I don't trust him to do anything but tell lies.

We are citizens and we have the right to ask him or his "puppets" anything we please. I am not afraid of him one bit.

Don't forget what he did to the young man at Cranbrook Private School ~ that hurt me to the core.

If he would Bully that young man and then say he " didn't remember it" when many in his class at the elete and small school, what would/is he doing/going to do to us ?

[catbyte]

24. Who knows? Maybe Lenore went into labor in Windsor

when they went out for Chinese and couldn't get back across the Ambassador Bridge in time so Willard may actually be a Canadian citizen.

It could've happened!



Diane
Anishinaabe in MI & mom to Leo, Sophie, Taz & Nigel, members of Dogs Against Romney, Cat Division
"We ride inside--HISS!”

[goclark]

34. Who knows

[treestar]

49. Heehee

Maybe they put Mittens' cradle on the roof!

[spanone]

32. his great grandfather left the country to avoid our laws

[goclark]

36. Check out these links ~ very interesting

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/voting_law_changes_in_2012


No less than Andrea Mitchell talks about the Family.....

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-andrea-mitchell-claims-mitt-romneys-family-entered-the-country-illegally/

[jillan]

37. This is the question that Arizonans were asking our Sec of State when he said that President Obama

might not be on the ballot if he doesn't get a copy of his birth certificate.

[DeSwiss]

42. K&R

[goclark]

43. El Etcho!

[Raine]

45. I'm curious as to know what number wife of his great-grandfather's is Rmoney

descended from.

[goclark]

46. Searched

for the answer but this is the best that I could find.
Maybe someone else can help us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney

Edit to add: Wikipedia has links that go deeper into the Bios for other family members.

One thing that I found interesting was that one of the Romney's ran against Richard Nixon and the quote was something like " he had to drop out because he wasn't a strong candidate."

Bingo! Same for Mitt ~ weak candidate, genes are amazing


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney#Early_life_and_background

[Raine]

53. THANKS so much for looking into it

I appreciate it.

[WI_DEM]

50. He can't find it, it's in one of his houses some place.

[goclark]

52. Draft of my letter to Mitt

My Fellow DU Posters: Please add/delete to this rough draft of my letter ~ thanks!
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Mr. Romney,

Where is your Birth Certificate?

I believe that you should share that document and the Newspaper Announcement of your Birth with the American people. President Obama graciously shared his documents.

Why have you allowed your fellow Republicans, especially your close friend "Birther" Donald Trump, to say such hateful things about the President?
A strong leader would have put a stop to that immediately!

Please show the American people and the World that you CARE.
Please demonstrate true leadership and end this mean spirited issue.
Maybe you would get more votes if you stood up on the side of Fairness.

Sincerely,
goclark

PS: When will the American people see your tax returns?
The President shared his returns

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