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proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
Thu May 24, 2012, 12:54 PM May 2012

So what's going on in Wisconsin? Morning Schmoe is calling it for Walker.

He and Mika were going on about this being a failure for the unions, they would regret fighting a sitting governor, they've wasted all the money they collected since Walker is obviously going to beat the recall.

Oh and the teachers unions are to blame.

I didn't see the whole show, just this few minutes and then I turned the channel in disgust. All the other folks on the show just sat there and none tried to argue with Schmoe or Mika.

Is this even close to the truth? Please tell me no.

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So what's going on in Wisconsin? Morning Schmoe is calling it for Walker. (Original Post) proud2BlibKansan May 2012 OP
One would guess certain parties are interested trying to "ho hum" it all and get a low turn out. Ellipsis May 2012 #1
This should motivate labor and progressives even more to get out and vote /nt still_one May 2012 #2
The repubs always claim victory in advance as an intimidation tactic. librechik May 2012 #3
I find it amazing that they both trash unions Worried senior May 2012 #4
I rarely watch. This was just the show on when I turned on my TV this morning. proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #5
probly right after the polls opened leftyohiolib May 2012 #6
Was Mika trashing the unions? Bake May 2012 #7
IMO, here's my take on what's going on milwaukeelib33 May 2012 #8
Thanks for the great report proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #9
There is some positive milwaukeelib33 May 2012 #12
Calling it? When did the polls close? That was a quick count. yellowcanine May 2012 #10
His corporate masters told him to say that. lastlib May 2012 #11

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
1. One would guess certain parties are interested trying to "ho hum" it all and get a low turn out.
Thu May 24, 2012, 01:00 PM
May 2012

Same old shit, it's all lies. Walkers a lie, his statement, for the most part are lies. His campaign is a lie.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
3. The repubs always claim victory in advance as an intimidation tactic.
Thu May 24, 2012, 01:05 PM
May 2012

Then, after they lose, they pretend that's just part of the game, not a gambit.

Predictable like clockwork. And Joe is a willing cog.

Worried senior

(1,328 posts)
4. I find it amazing that they both trash unions
Thu May 24, 2012, 01:15 PM
May 2012

as often as they can but both enjoy the benefits their union gives them.

My opinon, Mika is no better than joe, can't stand either one and since I can watch Bill Press I do.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
5. I rarely watch. This was just the show on when I turned on my TV this morning.
Thu May 24, 2012, 01:29 PM
May 2012

And I was going to puke if I stayed tuned any longer.

I miss Bill Press. I used to listen to him on my way to work in the morning and then XM changed his time.

milwaukeelib33

(140 posts)
8. IMO, here's my take on what's going on
Thu May 24, 2012, 01:45 PM
May 2012

Speaking the truth is frowned upon lest it sap voter enthusiasm, but being on the ground here in WI, and having a feeling of disgust as this race seems to be slipping away, I'll give it to you straight.

Everything was going fantastically well up to turning in the recall petitions. It was a good year of organized efforts and the movement was focused and strong on getting Wanker recalled. You have to remember, there have only been a couple governors put up for recall in the entire country- EVER. The effort had to be focused just on obtaining the required signatures, nearly one million. The effort was successful and should be applauded.

But here is where things went off track. The spark that lit this energetic movement was Wankers attack on working families, stripping them of their right to collectively bargain. After the petitions were turned in, which was the main focus up to that point, TPTB huddled up to decide what the next step would be and to devise as strategy for the recall election campaign. As is SOP these days, polls were conducted to gauge voters stances on issues. The very sad fact is Wankers union bashing is not much frowned upon by many a Wisconsinite.

This upsets me greatly considering WI's rich progressive heritage. Home of visionary leaders- Fighting Bob LaFollette, Aldo Leopold, Russ Feingold, and more.

But, TPTB decided they were not going to focus on the stripping of collective bargaining rights because the polls showed it was not a winning issue. Very sad. As could be expected, workers who were the soul of this uprising became somewhat disillusioned, as our main cause has been thrown under the bus.

With that spark that ignited our outrage extinguished, the primary became a blurry mess. What would the campaign issues be, if not C.B.? Our unions at first said screw the polls and attempted to remain focused on C.B. They backed a pretty good candidate in Falk who very strongly stated she would re-implement our stripped rights.

Then, as days passed, and more polls were released, more focus was given to them. Falk didn't poll as well as Tom Barrett. So, support drifted to Barrett, despite the fact he's hardly a friend of workers.

What has gone on here in WI will and should be studied. I think when it all boils down, putting too much weight in polls to decide who our candidate is sapped the energy out of the movement. We should have stuck to the main issue, and put up a candidate that stood strong on that issue and would proudly run on it.

Might not be popular to say, but there you have it folks.

milwaukeelib33

(140 posts)
12. There is some positive
Thu May 24, 2012, 03:15 PM
May 2012

People are turning out for early voting, particularly in Milwaukee and Madison that are very blue areas. We'll need that to overcome much of the rest of the state that trends red. This is going to come down to GOTV efforts as there are hardly any undecideds. Wanker's policies have been out now for awhile, you're either with him or against. Almost to the point where all this money being spent on ads seems irrelevant and a waste.

I just think had this been thought out better by WI state dem leadership, we'd be up 5 instead of the opposite. It's a hill to climb, but not an insurmountable one. I'm trying to stay optimistic, but time is getting short and the polls aren't moving in the direction we need them to go. If we don't pull this off and waste all the time, money, and energy garnered-up by this movement, party leadership all across the state needs to get shaken up and many be shown the door.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
10. Calling it? When did the polls close? That was a quick count.
Thu May 24, 2012, 02:07 PM
May 2012

Oh never mind. Uh - maybe we should let them vote before "calling it."?

lastlib

(23,224 posts)
11. His corporate masters told him to say that.
Thu May 24, 2012, 02:40 PM
May 2012

Subliminal persuasion.

DO NOT OBEY--they are lying. WE WILL WIN!

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