Christopher Columbus statue in Detroit takes an axe to the head on Columbus Day

[kpete]

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[yeoman6987]

1. Sorry but I don't like that

Seems to ISIS to me. Getting rid of historical artifacts you don't agree with. Put it in a museum.

[hifiguy]

2. +1

[malaise]

10. Here's the problem

When you invade other people's countries and tear down their statues or encourage folks to tear them down - the blowback always comes home.

To be truthful there are several statues that should be torn down.

[malaise]

19. He didn't discover shit

You don't discover somewhere when people are already there - you arrived there.

[geek75]

72. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[KamaAina]

133. The Yale Precision Marching Band famously trolled New Haven's Columbus Day parade years ago

by marching down Chapel Street with "Leif Erikson Was First" taped onto the big bass drum.

They have not been invited back since.

[MineralMan]

142. Geek75 is an ex-poster.

It is sleeping with the fishes.

[itsrobert]

235. Native American's ancestors were first.

n/t

[lunasun]

258. Columbus, of course, never saw the mainland United States. Hope you understand that

[cannabis_flower]

260. Wrong!

He invaded America and committed genocide against the aboriginal people that were already here.

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html

[DK504]

376. I thought it was the First Nation.

I could be wrong.

Then of course then, is the question of which hit American shores first (after the Native Americans) the Chinese or the Russian. That's whole 'nother' can of worms.

[MrScorpio]

23. You mean the lost white guy, who started killing and enslaving people...

Almost as soon as he "discovered" them.

Fuck Columbus.

[MrScorpio]

38. This place wasn't even called "America" when he got lost here

The people who lived here at the time had other names for it, that's for sure.

But if you are a fan of European slavers and murderers, you can't get better than Columbus... The man who got lost navigating to the orient by sailing in the wrong direction.

[geek75]

87. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[MrScorpio]

349. You're so precious. nt

[geek75]

89. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[KamaAina]

134. No, Brian Williams did.

[MrScorpio]

171. Wrong.

You're lost like Columbus was lost.

And no, they did not think that the world was flat by 1491. They knew it was round. It was already proven.

You don't discover a place that has people already there. Those people knew where they were when Columbus stumbled on them, he thought he was in India.

Enjoy your short stay, Boyscout.

[MrScorpio]

406. Take your meds. nt

[NV Whino]

28. Oh, hello. I think you made a wrong left turn somewhere.

Really, you need to read a little history.

[geek75]

120. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[Go Vols]

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[marmar]

45. Have you read Columbus' diaries?

ISIS would be jealous.

[geek75]

86. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[KamaAina]

146. He thought he'd discovered* India

hence, the "West Indies".

[marmar]

154. Back again?

[geek75]

117. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[KamaAina]

136. Ba-ba-booey! Ba-ba-booey! Ba-ba-booey!

[kpete]

5. some reading material for you

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http://ushypocrisy.com/2013/10/29/christopher-columbus-father-of-white-supremacy-2/

[malaise]

11. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! n/t

[geek75]

103. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[Skittles]

155. how do you discover a country where people are already living?

[fasttense]

301. And he captured 12 year old girls

Then bragged about raping them and was mildly annoyed when they committed suicide. Sex slavery was his business.

And we honor him?

[geek75]

109. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[KamaAina]

137. The guy who directed the Harry Potter movies?

[NightWatcher]

6. He was looking for India, landed in the Caribbean, murdered the locals

He's no hero and the act caused no damage. The axe was taped on and the paint will wash off

[MineralMan]

12. Uff da...

Columbus never set foot in what is the USA. He had nothing whatever to do with the finding of this nation. You are woefully incorrect.

[MrScorpio]

26. Jeezus, how old are you? nt

[randys1]

107. Seething hatred of people having a differing opinion?

As your insistence on repeatedly saying the same thing over and over?

[randys1]

113. Seething hatred of people having a differing opinion?

[geek75]

118. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[randys1]

122. Seething hatred of people educating you?

two can play this childish game

[MineralMan]

139. That poster has been removed from the building at this point.

Good riddance.

[randys1]

141. He was a fan of genocide. We have to be honest with ourselves and admit that

a sizeable portion of our neighbors are in fact people who would remove all non whites if they could.

[MineralMan]

143. I agree. I think it was a reissue of Name Removed from

an earlier time. It's done now. Of course, it may sign up again and post more spam.

[still_one]

30. Actually the Norsemen and Chinese preceded Columbus. In fact there is some evidence to

suggest that Native Americans migrated to America from Asia

[geek75]

104. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[still_one]

132. one trick pony, huh. Can you say something logical. I love ignorance. I assume you also believe

the earth is 5000 years old?

Yup, let's ignore the fact that millions of humans already inhabited this land later to be called the Americas, having discovered it millennia before. And let's ignore that whole Leif Ericson voyage to Greenland and modern-day Canada around 1000 C.M.E. If Columbus discovered America, he himself didn't know. Until his death he claimed to have landed in Asia, even though most navigators knew he didn't.

What Columbus "discovered" was the Bahamas archipelago and then the island later named Hispaniola, now split into Haiti and the Dominican Republic. On his subsequent voyages he went farther south, to Central and South America. He never got close to what is now called the United States.

but try to create flame bait. I think people will see through your actual political persuasions soon enough.

[KamaAina]

148. Chinese? Hadn't heard that one.

[still_one]

263. Read the book 1421 by Gavin Menzies

[Thor_MN]

168. To be fair MM, America is not the USA...

The person you responded to appears to be a one note jerk, but the USA is but a part of America.

[truebrit71]

13. History not your strongest suit obviously...

[geek75]

105. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[Arugula Latte]

192. You're back!

[Arugula Latte]

323. Seek help.

You need it.

[malaise]

14. Ask the indigenous people and the descendants of slaves

about free - then open your eyes

[MrScorpio]

39. What are you, twelve? nt

[geek75]

74. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[Skittles]

158. I am thinking more like, 5 years old

[geek75]

70. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[cherokeeprogressive]

17. You're funny.

[geek75]

71. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[City Lights]

22. LOL, good one!

Uh, welcome to DU.

[geek75]

94. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[Skittles]

156. what are you, five years old?

[geek75]

79. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[Rex]

18. If we want to pretend someone discovered a country already full of people

then you should give the real credit to Amerigo Vespucci.

[Travis_0004]

25. He does have our country, and 2 continents named after him

I realize Columbus discovered a country already full of people, but it is still a very important discovery. It changed a lot of the way we think and the course of history.

[Drahthaardogs]

40. What? No way.

We are all going to text on our iphones made by the world's worst abusers of human rights while we drive on our roads cut by immigrant indentured servants and wear our tennis shoes and t shirts made from forced child labor.

Then we will celebrate July 4th even though the founders of this country owned and traded slaves. We will eat organic vegetables grown on land Custer stolw from the natives.

We wear leather shoes but order vegetarian cause meat is like wrong. And Leif Erikson discovered America even though the map was most likely a forgery but Vikings are cool and were peace loving and stuff.

As Val says as Doc Holiday " it appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds"

[geek75]

83. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[marmar]

54. "lot of the way we think and the course of history."

Yeah, it made genocide and slavery tres chic for 400+ years.

[GummyBearz]

63. nah

it was popular for a long time before that

[KamaAina]

144. North and South Columbia?!

I think you're thinking of Amerigo Vespucci.

[Rex]

147. LOL! Came back to tell him that!

I mean...it's NOT like it is in my POST or something!

Don't know what is worse, that or the 'Blah Blah discovered Blah' spammer!

So people don't know WHO the country and two continents are named for! Oh dear!

[lunasun]

259. yeah i did not even want to go to the confusion there

[Rex]

145. No, that was my entire point which was missed I see.

What is the name of this country? Columbus? BBBzzztttt...fail....try again!

[geek75]

112. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[Rex]

123. Nonsense. There were already people here. He ran into another group of people.

And then proceeded to slaughter them. If we want to go by your ridiculous logic - the Vikings 'discovered' America, but didn't give a shit and went home.

[Heddi]

27. How can you "discover" a continent that has thousands of thriving cultures

that have thrived for thousands of years prior to Columbus' landing?

That's like me walking into your house and "discovering" your living room....Hey, *I*'ve never seen it before.....

[geek75]

91. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[NightWatcher]

4. I'm good with it. The axe was taped and the paint will wash off

No harm, no foul, but a point made nonviolently.

Hoka hey, Happy Indigenous People's Day.

[kpete]

16. History says....

LOL


sorry, you make me laugh
peace
kp

[geek75]

78. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[cherokeeprogressive]

21. History says? Well, my friend, history is a poopyhead.

[geek75]

75. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[geek75]

95. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

29. Isn't that what Indigenous peoples did before...

Europeans arrived?

Indigenous people are people, and people do horrific things to other people. It's what people do.

[LanternWaste]

56. Did they? You'll certainly supply us with objective sources

Did they? You'll certainly supply us with objective sources illustrating the horrific nature of the First nations to support your allegation, yes? It's what people do...

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

62. Have you heard...

of human sacrifice? I guess not. Some reading material. Kind of sick shit, or do you want to defend it.

http://www.examiner.com/article/evidence-found-of-human-sacrifice-north-america

[jberryhill]

65. The Caribs had wiped out the Arawaks before Columbus showed up

The people Columbus found in the Caribbean had, likewise, killed the prior inhabitants and taken over.

Humans do what humans do, and there is no genetic magic that ever prevented any group from engaging in war or genocide.

Pre-Columbian native cultures were as effective at engaging in war and genocide as any other collection of humans.

[geek75]

108. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[MineralMan]

31. Name Removed has been shown the door.

[malaise]

33. More like the door was slammed in his face

That was pathetic

[geek75]

100. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[uppityperson]

281. In case you haven't looked recently, I thought you might get a kick

out of what someone has made their hobby.

[Liberal_in_LA]

32. whoa!

[geek75]

115. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[Arugula Latte]

41. Love it.

It's not a permanent defacement.

Hey, defacement is a particularly good word in this case.

[B2G]

42. Vandalism! Yay!!

[Arugula Latte]

43. Well, yeah. But it's not permanent. And it pales compared to what

ol' Chris the Genocidal did.

It's like having a statute of Hitler up.

[marmar]

52. Hoo boy.

[Arugula Latte]

59. Dang. I missed it!

[marmar]

60. He said something to the effect that Columbus was a great man....

He did discover America blah blah

[Arugula Latte]

61. Oy vey.

Thanks!

[geek75]

69. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[geek75]

73. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[geek75]

110. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[Arugula Latte]

152. Ha ha!

Well aren't you precious!

[geek75]

102. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[Arugula Latte]

153. So you're saying that there weren't indigenous people here already?

WOW!!! Alert the historians!!!

[LanternWaste]

57. Conscious denial of degree and nuance! Yay, part two.

Conscious denial of degree and nuance! Yay, part two.

[B2G]

58. I'm not in favor of defacing public property

just because I don't like something.

[gollygee]

64. It's a protest.

Protests are messy.

[gollygee]

131. What are you, 10 years old? LOL n/t

[randys1]

116. I am in favor of destroying any so called monument which glorifies assholes like Columbus

or KKK, etc.

[gollygee]

130. I'm fine with it too

I don't understand the bow to authority, no matter what. People should protest what we call "Columbus Day" because it sucks. Change doesn't happen without people complaining.

[geek75]

96. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[geek75]

80. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[geomon666]

46. Good

Now tear down all the ugly Columbus shit in Puerto Rico too. It's ugly and insulting to have that crap around.

[geek75]

76. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[Mendocino]

47. Will Rogers

Most have heard this quote "my people didn't come over on the Mayflower, they met them at the boat ". But you never hear the rest of it "And it's always been to the everlasting discredit of the Indian Race that we ever let them land".

[geek75]

114. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[Blue_Tires]

48. Couldn't they have just put a Detroit Lions jersey on him like they do other statues?

[geek75]

68. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[Blue_Tires]

82. So why isn't he in the Detroit Lions' Ring of Honor?

[geek75]

92. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[JackInGreen]

55. I dig it but I don't....I do GET it though

And wtf was name removed up there? That's a LOT.

[geek75]

81. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[geek75]

66. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[LostOne4Ever]

77. No he didn't.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]The Native Americans did. The Viking Lief Erikson discovered it after them.

Columbus just started the whole shipping slaves over the Atlantic thing....not something to be proud of.[/font]

[geek75]

84. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[LostOne4Ever]

85. Nope nt

[geek75]

93. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[LostOne4Ever]

97. Say "Columbus discovered America" all you want....it will never be true. He didn't. nt

[treestar]

99. Seems a bit much to take it all out on Columbus

Europeans would have discovered America, someone else if he did not. Immigrants came over the centuries, long after it would have been discovered to be here by other Europeans. He's a symbol of all of us.

[geek75]

106. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[randys1]

119. Seething hatred of people having a differing opinion?

[geek75]

121. Christopher Columbus discovered America

[randys1]

124. Seething hatred of people educating you?

[Rex]

125. Must be a slow day at the troll farm.

[randys1]

127. RIghty scares me. They are unpredictable and often violent.

[Rex]

128. True, they are all mentally unstable people. Like their idol Glenn Beck.

No doubt the spammer thinks they are doing God's work etc..

[MineralMan]

140. That poster is no more. It is defunct.

[LostOne4Ever]

149. They need a headstone

[center][/center]

[LostOne4Ever]

129. I shut him/her down

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[still_one]

135. good, and his posting privileges have been revoked

[longship]

256. Buh-bye! Good riddens! nt

[Mendocino]

150. The late lamented repeater

was what you call in Michigan, a lower peninsula person.

[olddots]

151. Stan Freiburg discovred America

[Skittles]

157. dion't tell geek75

he will have a meltdown

[BlueJazz]

159. America discovered Christopher Columbus

[notadmblnd]

176. It wasn't painted red. It was fake blood

and the hatchet was taped there. Not as extreme as the story would lead one to believe. Pretty mild prank for Detroit-ers.

[MADem]

177. That is a rather careful and symbolic defacement.

A Detroit statue erected in 1910 to honor the Italian explorer was vandalized on Monday, a day that happens to be Columbus Day. The statue was splattered with red paint and had a hatchet taped to its forehead.

That's very polite! Wash off the paint, untape the hatchet, and the stupid statue in back in business.

That said, this thread is very interesting--a pro-Columbus spammer? Really? Tony Soprano's crew is bored, or something? Maybe they should listen to Furio:

I think at this point in time more people are becoming aware of Columbus's excesses in service of the Spanish crown. At the time he was behaving reprehensibly, the attitude that anyone who didn't have a developed society was a "savage" (and thus, without merit, on the order of animals--they also believed they didn't have feelings either) held sway. It doesn't excuse their behavior, but it explains why they would act like such blatant assholes.

[cannabis_flower]

261. Makes me want to...

go there and deface it for good!

[Hoyt]

255. Deserved, based upond what I have read of Columbus' barbarism.

[longship]

257. Hoo boy! MIRT's been busy tonight.

Thank you, MIRT!

Big cleanup on aisle 5. Now cleaned up.

[MADem]

262. I think Message Auto Removed sent me a nasty PM.

But they obviously got the hook before I got a chance to see it. I guess when people get zapped, their PMs get zapped too!

It'll forever remain a mystery, I guess!

[longship]

264. I think it was one person with multiple logins.

What I don't understand is why in the Sam Hell choose this thread to disrupt?

It was so utterly childish, so obvious. I guess ignorance really is bliss. So this disrupter is blissfully tombstoned.

But damn! What persistence!

[MADem]

265. A lot of times, I have noticed, the "disruptors" (or trolls, or socks) like to

hide in a little used thread or group, and rack up posts in a hurry.

A lot of times they think it is cool to go to an OLD thread and post shit. The reason for this is that they used to not bounce up to the top--and if they're posting TO someone who has dropped away from DU (left, died, got PPR'd, whatever) that they can run around talking to that person or persons without getting challenged.

Now the posts seem to be bouncing back up to the top and more people see/notice this odd behavior.

I've found a lot of them in Weird News. I'm the host there, and there's very rarely any trouble, but every so often a troll will go in and start bumping threads from years ago--it's very odd. They don't realize anyone is watching.

[longship]

266. You're a host in Weird News group?

I'll have to go there more often.

[MADem]

267. Yeah, there's not much to do there.

I really just serve as an occasional firewall against DU trolls!

Some of the stuff posted there is quirky and a bit, well, rude--but hey, Weird News is kinda rude!

It's probably a happier place than lots of parts of this board, lately!!

[longship]

268. It's now on my list.

Weird News!!!

[MADem]

269. It's certainly more friendly than some groups these days.

Not quite as fine as Cooking and Baking, but easily as good as the HUMOR group!!

[Agschmid]

272. Sailed the ocean blue, he did.

At least that's what I'm told.

[Agschmid]

274. So why this thread? And why Columbus? Inquiring minds want to know...

[MrScorpio]

293. I'm thinking that our troll has some particularly substantial emotional issues.

Perhaps a dose of Thorazine might help him or her out.

[Go Vols]

294. I just got a response to a post

in this thread and it was Name Removed by the time I clicked on it.


:/

[MrScorpio]

295. Same here

Props to the admins!

[longship]

337. It's BACK!!

Phweeee! MIRT alert! Sock puppet!

[longship]

338. Good job, MIRT!

Take out the trash!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=333969

Face it, sock puppets, you stand no chance here. We have MIRT!

Way to go, MIRT! Keeping DU clean every day!

[felix_numinous]

339. Representing the alternative universe

where a random hack drove off the European invaders, and thrived to dominate the Americas. Global warming did not occur as dramatically in this timeline, as the planet was left in mostly pristine conditions.

[MrScorpio]

342. This is for our friend, who I know will be back eventually.

[cheapdate]

351. Well deserved. He was a real bastard.

[Old and In the Way]

352. I discovered Germany in 1975.

How come there are no statues of me in Stuttgart?

[MrScorpio]

353. Just in case my message did get across...

[uppityperson]

358. Someone is obsessed

[uppityperson]

369. Don't you ever tire of this?

[malaise]

393. Apparently not - he's back