Karl Rove is VERY AFRAID of the new Dan Rather - Robert Redford movie

[grasswire]

Yesterday afternoon I watched FOX. Yes, I did. Neither MSNBC nor CNN was live with news commentary. So I watched Howie the Duck Kurtz on his media show. And I watched Chris Wallace.

What I learned mostly is how afraid Karl Rove is of the new movie "Truth" about George W. Bush's AWOL adventure -- a story that, of course, Rove is featured in up to his fat eyeballs.

He really attacked Rather and Bob Burkett and promoted all those old lies.

Really, really scared.

[malaise]

1. Get thee to the greatest page

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet! This won't help Jeb.

[grasswire]

2. I will try to find a clip of Karl.

He was glistening like the makeup person had used Crisco on him. Lying, lying, lying, and projecting a kind of "righteous anger" vibe that we have seen before.

[wheniwasincongress]

4. video here

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/karl-rove-calls-new-memogate-movie-ugly

[grasswire]

5. thank you! nt

[Thespian2]

68. Thanks for the link...

Love to see a lying' pig sweat...

Instead of spouting his non-ending lies on FUX, shouldn't this pig be in JAIL?

[alterfurz]

110. oh, if only...

[malaise]

6. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

great description

[billhicks76]

29. Karl, Jeb and Hillary

They are all friends.

[yardwork]

72. The Bushes are war criminals who stole elections and have quite possibly assassinated people.

I don't think it would be possible to win the White House without keeping them close. When I see pictures of Obama smiling with the Bushes, or Bill Clinton in a golf cart with one of them, I think that they're doing what they have to do to survive in national politics.

I doubt very much that they are "friends" in the true sense of the word.

[Duval]

103. I agree. It's all for "show".

Knowing what they all must know, I wonder how they keep from losing their last meal just being in the Bushes presence.

[yardwork]

109. I never underestimate politicians.

I have a healthy respect for the size of their egos and the strength of their ambitions. I can't really imagine what a national-level politician must be like inside.

I don't believe that any of them are heroes or particularly good people. All I know is that when Republicans seize control, it's even worse than when Democrats are in control. Much worse.

[billhicks76]

106. You're Wrong

And the correct word would be collaborators.

[yardwork]

108. And you know this how? I'm listening.

Are you in fact Bill Clinton, here to state that you are best friends with W?

What evidence do you have that Hillary is friends with the Bushes?

[Binkie The Clown]

3. I've never known a bully who can handle the truth. n/t

[rhett o rick]

78. Bullies are actually cowards. When confronted they turn to jelly. nm

[grasswire]

7. from the transcript.....

KARL: Mary Mapes. And she worked with her principal, Dan Rather, to produce a smear on President Bush. This movie's named "Truth." It ought to be "The Anatomy of a Smear." Falsified documents from a source who changed his story, the documents that were not verified by CBS' own experts. I mean, it is a devastating example of journalism run amok. I would recommend before anybody go to see the movie, that they google CBS, this is on CBS' web site. Their independent review panel on this incident, and read 30 pages, the 30-page summary of this report. It is devastating about the lack of journalistic integrity by these two individuals.

--snip---

ROVE: The documents said that George W. Bush had gone AWOL, that he had refused to take a flying exam and he had not shown up for National Guard duty. And it turned out that the documents were typed in a font that was not available on a typewriter in the 1960s when they were supposedly done, and were forgeries. They had the wrong abbreviations, they were set up wrong, they had signatures in the wrong place, and the author, the supposed author of these, supposedly typed them himself when his widow said he never typed. He didn't type.

WALLACE: Didn't Burkett, I am trying to remember, but didn't Burkett have some kind of a grievance against President Bush?

ROVE: Oh, sure. He was both -- he had both grievances about his treatment at the National Guard that occurred before Bush was president and before Bush was governor, and he was also a left winger who had a bias against Bush and was trying to ingratiate himself with the Kerry campaign. It was a tissue of lies from start to finish. The 30-page summary in a CBS report is devastating. In fact, CBS, which ran this as part of "60 Minutes," issued a statement about the movie. It's worth reading.

WALLACE: Wait, wait. I'm going to read the statement, because one of the things you got to understand -- you may be wondering what this is all about, but this is going to be a big movie. Robert Redford, Cate Blanchett, it comes out on Friday. At the time, Dan Rather, who first apologized on the air, and later left CBS, then he sued CBS and said CBS' corporate interests had forced them to go against the movie and to go against him. He sued, the case was thrown out summarily by a judge. CBS now says this about its own report and its own reporters and the movie -- "the film tries to turn gross errors of journalism and judgment into acts of heroism and martyrdom."

[DhhD]

12. Did they put in the movie that the base that Dubya flew to did not have the kind of jet planes

that Dubya was trained to fly. Could it be that Dubya took a plane with no one's permission except his Dad's?

[tiptonic]

36. W

Does anyone really think, W is smart enough to fly a fighter jet? I have a few hours and know lots of pilots. Believe me, he ain't made of the 'right stuff'.

[demwing]

51. He can't even handle Segways or bikes!

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.454121!/img/httpImage/image.jpg

[Mabus]

120. Or snacks. Remember his snack-related injury? Dogs licked him for salt and helped revive him.

http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/now-we-know-pretzel-that-choked-president-bush-in-came/article_cbdd3bec-999b-11e3-8ea7-001a4bcf6878.html

[demwing]

121. If Bush flew, it wasn't in any airplane

[deutsey]

54. But, but I seen him land one on that aircraft carrier

[DhhD]

111. See reply #77 on down in the tread.

[MinM]

122. Karl Rove and his team successfully refocused attention away from Bush and his AWOL...

The fact that Karl has such intimate knowledge of these documents fits in with this piece written 10-years ago:

October 1, 2005 (onlinejournal.com)—Former CBS News anchor Rather says CBS wouldn't allow him to do a follow-up story on Bush's Texas Air National Guard (TANG) files.

Speaking at the National Press Club on September 26, Dan Rather responded to a question posed by moderator Marvin Kalb concerning the controversial TANG files of George W. Bush. Kalb asked Rather why he did not return to the story and investigate those who created the guard files, passed them off to a former TANG officer and hence to CBS's 60 Minutes, and tipped off right-wing bloggers before the airing of the pre-2004 election exposé by 60 Minutes. Rather responded, "You'll have to ask CBS that question."

Rather stated it was his desire to continue to delve into the story and the set-up. [font color=blue]According to CBS insiders, the original TANG files were scanned by GOP dirty tricks operatives using a sophisticated text scanner that changed the original IBM typewriter Courier font to a Times Roman font, automatically created a "th" superscript for date numbers, and created margins and pagination.[/font] An independent panel commissioned by CBS and headed by former GOP Attorney General Richard Thornburgh never concluded the documents were bogus.

In fact, the [font color=darkred]GOP operatives had to be very careful in their dirty tricks operation:[/font] forging or counterfeiting official government documents is a felony. However, scanning original documents technically does not fall under the category of counterfeiting. Nevertheless, the [font color=blue]GOP quickly tipped off right-wing bloggers, including Free Republic.com, that the CBS documents were forgeries. In doing so, Karl Rove and his team successfully refocused attention away from Bush and his AWOL status in the Guard and on to Dan Rather and 60 Minutes.[/font] [font color=red]People like Karl Rove and, as reported by The New York Post, long time GOP dirty tricks operative Roger Stone, got away with the entire caper, thus eliminating Bush's phony military record as a campaign issue[/font]...

http://www.onlinejournal.org/Media/100105Madsen/100105madsen.html

[grasswire]

124. thank you

Online Journal was doing great work then documenting everything.

[MinM]

125. npr: it effectively killed Dubya's TANG AWOL story

NPR's on the media was correct this week in claiming that this effectively killed the story about George W Bush going AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard. Much the same way Karl Rove effectively killed the story of Dubya's cocaine use by handing it to 'discredited' author JH Hatfield.

They however go on to incorrectly credit bloggers as exposing the flaws in the story. As the piece above demonstrates these were not some impartial 'bloggers' looking for the truth. They were political apparatchiks working in concert with Karl Rove.

[MinM]

126. "Spotlight" on Great Journalism

On the Media didn't care that much for Truth.

They did however love "Spotlight"

Rachel McAdams, Mark Ruffalo, Brian d'Arcy James, Michael Keaton and John Slattery play Boston Globe journalists in the film, Spotlight.

[smirkymonkey]

127. I am really looking forward to seeing "Spotlight". I hope it will be in wide release here in Boston

Although you can't be sure. I am really surprised that for a city with so many universities and such an educated populace, what moves never seem to make it into wide release here.

I wanted to see Truth this weekend and it's only playing at one theater in Boston. It is showing at a few theaters in the burbs, but not at many of the main Boston theaters which really surprised me.

I wonder if this is done as a financial decision by the theaters or if there is something political going on. It seems to me that a lot of controversial nd/or political films never show up at the main downtown theaters. I am so tired of the usual Hollywood adolescent crap that is the main standard in theaters these days.

[zentrum]

8. Axis of Evil.

Bush-Rove-Murderdoch. And there are ten more axies where they come from.

[Ilsa]

24. Don't leave out Negropointe.

His name is synonymous with death squads, rape, torture, murder.

[zentrum]

35. Agreed. He's one of them.

There are so many Repub evil axises. Koch Brothers are a whole branch too.

[Omaha Steve]

9. Wait for it...

[captainarizona]

10. turd blossem bush awol? thats not the point!

when attacking notice they don't say dubya didn't go awol and I can prove it!

[grasswire]

22. excellent point

all Rove did was attack the players. No defense of Bush.

[nxylas]

58. It's one of the main tactics in the Rove playbook

Last edited Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:23 PM - Edit history (1)

Focus obsessively on one small detail (in this case, the allegedly forged document) to distract from the wider story. It's known as the "granite countertops" strategy, from a TV documentary on poverty in which one of the interviewees had a granite countertop, thus proving that there is no poverty in America.

[1monster]

83. If I recall correctly, that document was never actually proved to be a

forgery. The argument that the typeface (the superscript) used in the document did not exist at the time was later debunked, but that fact was ignored.

[nxylas]

84. Noted

I edited my post above so that it now reads "allegedly forged".

[WillyT]

11. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[flygal]

13. oooh I'll recommend that!

hate that bastard Rove!

[no_hypocrisy]

14. Is it too late to indict him?

[Stuart G]

15. K and R..nt

[mountain grammy]

16. K & R Can't wait for the movie!

[malaise]

112. Same here

I can' t wait for this one

[Spitfire of ATJ]

17. Rove needs to go to jail.....

We all know the list of charges.

[rhett o rick]

18. His bosses need to go to jail. nm

[Spitfire of ATJ]

20. Tony Blair is still in trouble.

[Marty McGraw]

73. Our Dream

would somewhat resemble



Fear of the Upcoming indictment can perhaps explain the weight loss

[Rafale]

101. I would love...

to see that in person!!! Love that picture!!!!!!

[Gidney N Cloyd]

19. A more suspicious type than me might wonder if this inspired 60 Minutes' rough Obama interview.

[mikehiggins]

23. fishing indeed

This kind of thing shouldn't be posted without some sort of verification. This place isn't Drudge after all.

[irisblue]

38. alert results

On Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:13 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I read somewhere that Karl Rove is a suspected child molester.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7254966

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

I think Rove should be sent away to jail, but you cant just sat shit like this.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:29 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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[Renew Deal]

26. Is this about Bush's Vietnam war record or something else?

If it's about his war record, why would anyone care at this point?

[Skittles]

27. what war record?

[Renew Deal]

28. I know

I'm just trying to understand what we're talking about.

[Skittles]

30. a very good man's reputation was trashed because of orchestrated LIES

and that man was not that warmongering chickenhawk piece of shit Dubya

THE STORY NEEDS TO BE TOLD.

[Renew Deal]

31. Got it

Thanks

[Skittles]

32. ...

[hobbit709]

48. He kept Houston safe from the Viet Cong.

[leveymg]

77. The F-102 was an interceptor. No danger Bush would ever have to outfly a MIG or SAM.

Because the Viet Cong never bombed Ton Son Nut Airfield (or Texas) from the air, the F-102 never saw combat in Vietnam or anywhere else. It was in that sense the safest jet in the USAF inventory to fly at the time.

[Skittles]

118. like I protected Texas from Oklahoma

[starroute]

33. It matters because the case was used to destroy Dan Rather's reputation

The right had been hoping for years to get an opportunity to go after CBS, and especially after Rather, and this gave it to them.

There was some sloppiness on CBS's part -- what they got were xeroxes of documents and not originals, and there was no chain of custody. But the stuff Rove says about the font not being available at the time is completely false, and there were plausible answers to the other questions that were raised.

[Renew Deal]

34. That makes sense

[0rganism]

37. variable width type setting (kerning) was uncommon to find on a typewriter back then

and seems unlikely to have been used for day-to-day personnel reports by the CO's secretary.

personally, i think the documents were forgeries fed to CBS by Rove's goons, with text taken from actual reports. that way, not only did Rove destroy Rather, he took the entire AWOL story off the table completely as anyone else coming forward, even with the genuine memos, would have been mired in confusion and conflation with the phony documents. it was a winning strategy for W. slimy, but winning.

[grasswire]

41. yes

It was a total op. A political op.

And it's time to expose all of it.

Worse than slimy, considering that thousands of men and women died under the command of a fraudulent commander in chief.

[hedda_foil]

43. Exactly. It's exactly what Rove did to destroy the author of "Favorite Son" in 2000.

Rove chose the author, fed him the verifiable facts of Dubya's misbegotten life, then sent his minions to attack the facts and the author's past criminal conviction to the point that the book was recalled and trashed before it's official publication date,with a million copies stacked up in stores

[grasswire]

88. and that author was *suicided*

James Howard Hatfield. Never forget.

[hedda_foil]

90. Precisely. I still have a copy that got onto shelves before the official release date.

Rove was actually his primary source.

[MinM]

123. Hatfield-Rather: Dirty Tricks with different spins on the same theme ..

There are definite parallels between the Dan Rather-Dubya National Guard story and the reason that Karl Rove gave JH Hatfield the Dubya cocaine scoop. Rove in both cases was able to defuse potentially explosive revelations ..

Dan Rather -- legitimate documents were doctored in order to discredit the whole Dubya National Guard story.

JH Hatfield -- the evidence of Dubya's cocaine use was 'leaked' to a convicted felon for use in his book with the purpose of short-circuiting yet one more Bush bombshell. Which it effectively did.

[Unknown Beatle]

96. From Wikipedia

The relationship between Hicks and Hatfield was explored in the movie Horns and Halos, an award-winning documentary film directed by Suki Hawley and Michael Galinsky. In one scene from the DVD extra disc, Hatfield says to the camera, "If anything happens to me, get it out to the press."

Yep, *suicided* indeed.

[starroute]

44. The documents couldn't have been done on a computer

I spend a lot of time staring at them and reading other people's analysis. They were full of small irregularities, from lines that went at slightly different angles to one another to letters that were distorted in the way that happens when a typewriter key hits a spot on the paper that has been slightly indented by the previous keystroke. You can't duplicate that on a computer.

In addition, the font did not match Times New Roman -- but did match a font available in IBN's variable-width typewriters. And the typewriter itself wasn't all that uncommon. A friend of mine had one.

[baran]

45. IBM Executive Typewriter

I used an IBM Executive typewriter at a job some time in the 1960's. It had proportional spacing (kerning) and, as I recall, it wasn't that uncommon. I definitely wasn't in any kind of high level position.

[yardwork]

49. That seemed to be exactly what happened.

The internet lit up during the 60 Minutes broadcast with accusations of fraud. It was clear that the whole thing was planned. Dan Rather took the bait.

It's too bad 60 Minutes didn't run the other story they had prepared for broadcast that night. It was about Abu Ghraib.

[grasswire]

92. it was a freeper who first alerted on the docs, during the program airing

from Texas Monthly EXHAUSTIVE report on the whole AWOL story

The first person to publicly question the memos was an Air Force officer in Montgomery named Paul Boley, who posted on the conservative online forum Free Republic under the handle TankerKC. Boley’s comment popped up while the program was still going on.

But the man officially credited with inspiring a fusillade of blog attacks was Harry MacDougald, known on message boards as Buckhead, a GOP lawyer in Atlanta who missed the segment but downloaded the Killian documents from the CBS website later that night. He specifically claimed that the memos used proportional spacing and superscripts that didn’t exist on typewriters of the early seventies.

A conspiracy theory has since arisen that Bartlett, knowing in advance that the documents were forgeries—and, in some fevered imaginations, knowing his boss Karl Rove was the source of them—tipped off right-wing surrogates to attack the documents.

When I asked Lloyd why Bartlett ignored his assessment, he said, “I guess he was trying to set Rather up for getting mauled.”

Bartlett told me that the online attacks began “before I started any outreach” to the press. He added that Bush himself didn’t learn of the Killian memos until after the segment had already aired, because Bartlett felt the documents didn’t show anything revelatory. He initially dismissed them as “old news.”

In any case, MacDougald’s arguments about the documents turned out to be inaccurate. He acknowledged as much in an interview with me in 2008. And in a speech given that same year, Mike Missal, a lawyer for the firm that CBS hired to investigate its own report, said, “It’s ironic that the blogs were actually wrong. . . . We actually did find typewriters that did have the superscript, did have proportional spacing. And on the fonts, given that these are copies, it’s really hard to say, but there were some typewriters that looked like they could have some similar fonts there. So the initial concerns didn’t seem as though they would hold up.”

http://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/truth-or-consequences/

[yardwork]

107. I remember. I was reading DU that night.

I had forgotten that later, it was proven that the documents could be genuine. Buckhead is a wealthy section of Atlanta where Republican lawyers hang out.

It's interesting to compare the reaction to the 60 Minutes segment to the reaction of the "Brooks Brothers riot" to the 2000 election. In both cases, well-connected Republicans pretending to be ordinary folks caused disruptions that confused people. Rove tactics in both cases.

[grasswire]

116. yes, that was quite a night nt

[deutsey]

53. I also think it was a Rovian trap

And Rather, who was a bit too eager to break the story, fell right into it.

In slimy Rovian style, Turdblossom took out an enemy and inoculated Bush from the AWOL charges at the same time.

I would love to see Rove get what he deserves someday, but the system is rigged to hide the dark, seamy underbelly where the likes of him reside.

[MgtPA]

65. The IBM Executive, the first proportional space typewriter, was introduced in 1944.

Executive Model A was introduced in 1948, Model B in 1954, Model C in 1959, and Model D in 1967. When Model C was introduced, a quarter of a million were sold in the first 19 months. Those suckers were everywhere. I had to use one in 1974, and I hated it; they were considered old-fashioned, compared to the IBM Selectric. I worked for a DoD contractor in those days, and I can tell you that the IBM Executives were definitely in the government supply system. Those memos looked exactly like memos I'd seen back in the day.

[Marty McGraw]

74. Thank you

for that insight! Very Thoughtful and imperative that people realize this

[colorado_ufo]

79. I own an Olympia daisy-wheel typewriter that had a PS (proportional spacing) wheel

which I purchased approximately 30 years ago.

[KittyWampus]

57. The secretary who generated those documents said plainly there were LIKE the ones she did

but were not exactly correct.

Someone set Rather up with bogus documents that were just enough like the originals but with an error he or his staff didn't catch so it blew up in his face.

I believe the secretary saw some terminology that was not proper. It had nothing to do with the font used.

[HuskyOffset]

119. That's the thing that I remember!

I remember watching the interview with the secretary on TV. It has stuck with me because, best I can recall, she said that she remembered typing a memo that said just what the one Rather was showing her, but the one they had didn't have her initials on it (as the actual one did). I remember thinking at the time that someone was setting Rather up with a forgery that was essentially correct, but had a critical flaw so that they could discredit the whole memo.

[grasswire]

40. Bush has no Vietnam war record.

Hmm......you apparently missed a significant episode of history in 2004.

I lived it.

A pig farmer in Iowa decided to research George W's military records. W. had joined the Texas Air National Guard and thus avoided Vietnam.

The pig farmer, through FOIA, discovered that W. had been absent from his post of duty in the TANG, and basically just stopped reporting. The pig farmer was a member of salon.com's message board called Table Talk. He brought the information to us there at Table Talk.

For months, we tried to get this evidence into the media and the national conversation. The Commander In Chief had gone AWOL in war time. The CiC who had sent men and women into harm's way in Iraq. We sent thousands of letters and emails. We made phone calls. An enormous effort took place by this little group of Table Talkers. Nothing worked.

Then the Boston Globe finally published a story about the evidence. And Senator Bob Kerrey called a press conference on the Friday before the election to ask President Bush about his military service.

On that same Friday, an operative for a FOX affiliate in New England broke the story of George's DUI years before. That story blew Kerrey's query out of the water.

End of story until Dan Rather was set up by Karl Rove and falsely discredited.

Why should anyone care? The COMMANDER IN CHIEF HAD GONE AWOL DURING WARTIME. He did not deserve to be elected or re-elected. It is spectacularly important.

[Renew Deal]

47. I remember it

Walt Starr and all. I should have said military record, but I remember it relates to Vietnam. And I'm not asking why someone would care in 2004. I am asking about 2015. A couple of people answered why it matters now.

[yardwork]

50. The DUI and his history of drug addiction didn't matter because he was "saved."

Right wing fundamentalist Christians told me this at the time. They said they were sure that W was an addict and had done a lot of bad things, but it was all different now because he was saved and his sins wiped clean.

The role of fundamentalist mega-churches in 2000 and 2004 can't be discounted. And where did the money come from to build those giant churches? They sprang up everywhere - huge expensive buildings with sound systems, playgrounds, private schools - who funded the facilities that brainwashed millions?

[nxylas]

75. The same stuff they're now saying about Putin?

He's the defender of Christian values, dontcha know?

[WillowTree]

62. The DUI story broke just before the 2000 election, not 2004.

[tomm2thumbs]

39. I'm sure he is hoping no one is working on a screenplay about The Franklin Scandal

[grasswire]

42. ayep

or the airliner that went down in Queens on the day that the newspaper consortium was scheduled to report their investigation into the uncounted ballots in Florida.

What??? Would the Bushes take down an airliner?

They did it before.

[baran]

46. Or the Don Siegelman Story! n/t

[mercuryblues]

52. to be fair

it doesn't take much to scare rove and that crew.

[Gothmog]

55. I will be watching this movie

[Javaman]

56. karl doesn't care.

he never gave a shit about the "little people" before, why should he care now?

it's not like anyone is going to bring him to trial or hold him responcibile regarding this.

we all know he lied and lies repeatedly.

we all know moron* lied and lies repeatedly.

who what would he be scared of? the truth? LOL

let me tell you something about the truth; the truth only lasts as long until the next believable lie comes along.

he will make the rounds on the various political talk shows with his version of reality, which, I might add, he has never varied from, and spew forth more proclamations about how the left is this and that and they are attacking him. I think he will go so far as to claim that moron* was a great prez.

people like rove and his ilk, do. not. give. one. shit. what. we think.

[Octafish]

59. Why Karl is scared: Texas ANG shows how bin Laden and Bush families came together for bidness.

The short version: Back in the day when George W was defendin' Texas from the Air Force of North Vietnam, he met Maj. James R Bath. They both apparently were removed from flight status for failing to take physical exams -- coincidentally about the same time the government starting testing pilots for illegal drugs 'n' such. Note how the Bush White House redacted a proper noun here and there. Here're two versions of the document:



Now this document shows that the House of bin Laden selected James R Bath to be their official U.S. business agent.





Lots o' links that still work: James R Bath connects Bush, bin Laden, Petrodollars, BCCI & BFEE.

[Raster]

63. Bless. Your. Heart.

“If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.”
― Sun Tzu

[hifiguy]

81. "House of Bush, House of Saud."

Remains essential reading.

Thank you for all the amazing work you do, Octafish!

[AikidoSoul]

97. A keeper for my files. Thank you. And what about this one about W and Margie Shoedinger?:

None of the links work anymore as they did in 2006, the last time I checked. I used to be able to access the legal filings... but not anymore. Had you heard or read anything about this?

***************************



The strange case of Margie Shoedinger and George W. Bush. Shoedinger charged that she and Bush had "dated" when she was a minor, but that later he had repeatedly drugged and raped her with the assistance of FBI or other police type individuals.

Later, Shoedinger was found dead which was deemed a suicide.

Margie was a resident of Fort Bend County, Texas -- residing at 10422 Village Lake Drive, Missouri City, Fort Bent County, Texas, 77459.

Some articles on this topic:

http://www.fortbendstar.com/Archives/2002_4q/121102/n_Woman%20files%20lawsuit%20against%20President.htm


The link below will take you to the site where legal documents and police r e ports can be downloaded from December 21, 2000 until November 29, 2006. These police reports pre-date the so called suicide. Shoedinger says she "dated" Bush when she was a minor, and that after being married she had been repeatedly drugged and raped by him and FBI collaborators. Later she said she was badly beaten which resulted in a miscarriage. She stated that police-type individuals interferred with the hospital to disallow her to be admitted. She claims they did not want the foetus to be collected as evidence, and that Bush feared that the child might be his.


http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/docdetail.asp?id=%0BNDE%21%2FaO%03Z%21DWq%21DAzcnUc1N&ms=0&cabinet=civil&pg=&id2=jEvMjAyMCBQT%23MTIvMh%211y8%21Q%3D%3DRT%21joxODo%21%21Mn%21%03wMCAxM


October 26, 2000. Margie is followed in her vehicle and "terrorized" by three assailants.
When she is able to get attention of a Texas State Trooper, they first approach her at
the intersection and then turn over the investigation to the Sugarland police, who
denigrate her and side with the assailants.

http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/imgcache/civil1928107-1-15.pdf


Suit filed by Margie Shoedinger against Sugar Land police officers who would not respond to her
complaint that she had been terrorized by assailants in Oct. 2006. Suit filed on Jan. 9, 2001.

http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/imgcache/civil1928418-1-5.pdf



December 3, 2002 legal document #22127 -- Margie Shoedinger vs. George W. Bush:


http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/imgcache/civil1986144-1-7.pdf


November 29, 2006 -- Case # 19631 Plaintiiff Margie Schoedinger, Defendant, members of the Sugar Land Police Department ... Officers Jones, Sipe, and Sergeant Schultz --dismissed for lack of prosecution. See pdf file link to original document below this illustration.



http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/imgcache/civil1929262-1-1.pdf


Another entry door to the Ft. Bend, Tx court.

http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/docimage.asp?cabinet=civil&scur=Images&id=TkyO%210XuM%03%0FMr5Kk8t25A%3D%3DfBWPwDQxO&retrieve=1&id2=S8zLPG%21V7%03%0FMCjts91E%21DE%3DdV%21o%21zIwM&num=&transId=&spage=1&epage=5&pgs=5&pg=&ms=475403

[AikidoSoul]

104. I found a pdf file Margie Shoedinger vs GWB, but don't know how to post it

from my computer to this thread. I've looked everywhere for a help section with instructions, but nada.

Any advice?

[kentuck]

60. Very interesting...

The "truth" will come out, through all the distractions about typewriters and copies of original documents, etc. I want to see this movie.

[Joe Chi Minh]

61. "Those who profess to favour freedom and yet deprecate agitation,

are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. The struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, or it may be both. But it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did; never will."

- Your siggie, grasswire.

And as Wedgie Benn said, it's battle that has to be fought again and again.

[grasswire]

100. that quote........

.....is William Lloyd Garrison. Apt now, so many years later.

[Joe Chi Minh]

113. Absolutely.

[WillowTree]

64. Why would he be afraid of this movie.......or any movie?

It's not as if anyone's going to do anything to him. And he knows it.

[patsimp]

66. This will be excellent

[niyad]

67. release date 16 october 2015

[PADemD]

70. Opens nationwide October 30.

[niyad]

71. thank you. I have to call my local art house and ask when they are going to show it.

they will be showing "spotlight" (on the MA church pedophile scandal), so hoping they will show "truth" and "suffragette" (about the british suffrage movement)

[cpompilo]

69. Bush was a coke head at the time which is why he skipped out on his flight readiness physical.

He was partying at our neighbor's beach house down near Galveston at that time. According to our neighbor, his drug of choice was cocaine which was preferable because he would get belligerent when he smoked pot.

[merrily]

76. Why would Rove be scared? He got someone who could barely speak

English coherently elected President and re-elected after he started two dumb wars.

They both stayed out of jail, even though Rove illegally campaigned to federal workers for Bush's re-election during their work day and was involved in the Plame mess. IIRC Barbara Walters made him her most interesting man of the year one year. He is no doubt a multi-millionaire and could no doubt raise more money for himself if he needed it, much as Scooter Libby did for his legal defense in the Plame case.

I think Rove laughed himself all the way to the bank and the history books.

[Bucky]

114. One dumb war

Even Ralph Nader would have done Afghanistan. Bush's problem with the Afghan invasion was that he didn't fight there enough, having grown bored (or worse) and willy nilly decided to invade some place with more oil.

[merrily]

115. I think both wars were dumb.

Supposedly we knew beyond doubt that Osama was there, even though it took us ten years to get him.

Supposedly, we know beyond doubt that someone in that then tribal society actually had the ability to turn Osama over to us and refused, even though it took us ten years to get him.

Let's say all that of that was so. How did it make sense to rain down bombs on the Afghani people by night and peanut butter by day?

Longest war in US history. Did it get us even Osama?

How much did it cost us in blood and treasure? How much will it cost us in blood and treasure?

What did we gain, but the hatred of yet another nation?

Then again, I think most wars are dumb.

Then again, this thread is about Rove, not the Afghan War or war in general.

[hifiguy]

80. Every time I think of or see KKKarl

I am reminded of Hunter Thompson's description of Ed Meese: "a fat bastard, really a congenital cheap pig in the style of and on the level of Richard Nixon." And another HST quote that was about Nixon, IIRC - "a man with the ethics of a hyena and the personal style of a poison toad."

I hope he shits himself to death worrying about it.

[Hotler]

82. Don't forget the video of George an Jeb picking up a kilos of cocaine.....

"It has all the makings of a major box office thriller: Texas Governor and Republican Presidential contender George W. Bush and his brother Jeb, allegedly caught on videotape in 1985 picking up kilos of cocaine at a Florida airport in a DEA sting set up by Barry Seal"

Why Does George W. Bush Fly in Drug Smuggler Barry Seal’s Airplane?

by
Daniel Hopsicker and Michael C. Ruppert
http://investmentwatchblog.com/jeb-bush-announced-his-2016-presidential-candidacy-some-links-to-get-you-started-on-his-possible-ties-to-drugs-murder-and-treason/

[Hotler]

85. Speaking of Barry Seal and his ties to.....

Poppy Bush, George and Jeb and Olie North and even Bill Clinton was involved in cocaine smuggling hear is another good read.

Jeb Bush, Oliver North and the Murder of CIA Drug Smuggler Barry Seal in 1986
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/03/1199001/-Jeb-Bush-Oliver-North-and-the-Murder-of-CIA-Drug-Smuggler-Barry-Seal-in-1986

A few weeks ago, Jeb Bush commented that he didn't think the "Bush" name carried with it any baggage. Really?? There is a name for this type of behavior; it is called "whistling past the graveyard."
Jeb Bush in 1986 was the 33-year-old chairman of the Dade County Republican party and he was up to his eyeballs in the Iran-Contra scandal. To get a taste of that read Al Martin’s book The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran-Contra Insider (2001) and read about Jeb Bush’s dealings with operatives such as Al Martin, Oliver North, Richard Secord, Dewey Clarridge, Sam Watson, Fred Ikley and, of course, his father George Herbert Walker Bush. Basically Jeb Bush was in the center of a wasp’s nest of dirty dealing CIA/military operatives engaged in rampant criminality – all in the name of “national security.”
On Feb. 19, 1986, Barry Seal, a very prominent CIA drug smuggler and ace pilot, was murdered outside his halfway house in Baton Rouge, LA. Barry Seal, at the time he died, may have been the largest drug smuggler in American history. Over the past 5, 10 & 20 years a lot of information about this murder has come out. Based on all this information, from a variety of sources, it is about time for someone to ask Jeb Bush, George Herbert Walker Bush and Oliver North a simple question. And that question is "Did you murder Barry Seal."

[The Wizard]

86. The Republican Rasputin Rove

Is above the law. If he weren't there would be a nine foot high tree limb and a 3 foot rope in use already.

[Arugula Latte]

87. Happy to be the 200th rec.

[Snotcicles]

89. You just got a shout-out from Thom Hartmann for this thread grasswire. way to go. nt

[grasswire]

93. really??

Thanks!

[Snotcicles]

95. Yep, he read your op, and made comments about it. good job. nt

[blm]

91. EVERY ONE of us needs to see this when it opens.

MAKE IT A HIT so it can NOT be ignored.

[grasswire]

94. YES

We also could review it on imdb.com.

And post about it on facebook.

And, and, and....

LTTE

[blm]

102. True political stories like Kill the Messenger always have corpmedia set against it -

because it always comes down to a co-opted and COMPLICIT press corps.

[mnhtnbb]

98. great idea.

If for no other reason than to taint Jebbie by association.


I wish the whole country would tell the Bush family to go fu*k themselves and NEVER, EVER
think they deserve anything other than our disdain. If we can't ship Bushie boy
to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes, then at least, we should be able to tell the Bush family
to remove themselves from public life. Forever.

[deathrind]

99. Rove et al.

Can do all they want to re-write the history of the cheerleader who stumbled into the presidency with the bush library but in the end they will fail. There is too much evidence of the truth and history will not be kind in its telling.

From bush jrs failure to protect the US on 9-11, starting a war based on lies and the lack of any post invasion plan that got thousands killed, wire tapping, torture, Katrina response, economic devastation (inheriting a huge surplus turning it into a huge deficit), the patriot act etc, etc, etc.

Micheal Moores Fahrenheit 9-11 was right on target. If it wasn't the bush family would have sued Moore for every cent he has but being in a courtroom under oath is the last thing the bush family wants.

[Dont call me Shirley]

105. Robert Redford is so awesome!

[rladdi]

117. It has been reported that Karl Rove lied to imprison those that ran against him. He LIED.

When will the law catch up to Rowe and slam him behind bars.