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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMaybe Blacks Just Aren't Socialists
A more correct title would be "Maybe Blacks Just Aren't Democratic Socialists" (which I suspect isn't even a true statement), but either way it's an article exploring the question of why Sanders polls very low among black voters.
And thats fine, but it doesnt translate to people who are standing there saying, Were getting killed and youre not because were different from you.
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The inadequacy of this explanation for Bernies inability to get his message through to people of color, though, is that Im talking about elites or intellectuals or social activists talking to each other. And thats only the crust at the top. Just as the white progressive blogosphere is influential but ultimately unrepresentative of the progressive movement as a whole, the black and brown intelligentsia isnt representative of the overall black and brown communities. Its certainly not helpful to Bernie that the black blogosphere is largely hostile to his campaign, but it doesnt sufficiently explain this:
Sanders started off this primary known to a similar percentage of whites, blacks and Hispanics; around half of all three groups had neither a favorable nor unfavorable opinion of him. But while the share of whites without an opinion of Sanders has steadily declined, his campaign simply hasnt grabbed the attention of minorities.
What I am arriving at is that the black community simply doesnt speak the language of socialism. On an intellectual level, socialism can seem like a negation of their unique struggles, but it may run deeper than that.
Just as the black community is more religious than the white progressive community and therefore more socially conservative overall, the black community also has weak roots into the economic theories of the far left. Too often, I think people see how reliably blacks vote for the Democratic Party and automatically place the whole community on the far left. We see the Republicans doing this whenever they suggest that 47% of the people are just looking for a handout. The idea is that (mostly) minorities are dependent on the government and will support a totally socialist political program.
But it appears to me that this misses much more than it explains. You can rightly point out that the right divides people by race, pitting poor whites against poor blacks and Latinos. But theres also a sense that class struggle is a luxury that you cant get to until youve overcome systemic racial bias and discrimination.
Martin Luther King Jr. didnt get to the sanitation workers until after hed won the right to vote, for example. And, likewise, the current generation is trying to deal with unaccountable police violence and mass incarceration, and breaking up the big banks is just a lower priority.
So, what I think is going on here is that there is some misunderstanding on both sides, and a sense from the black community that their priorities arent going to get the right emphasis from the socialist left.
To put it in the simplest terms, the black community isnt really socialist.
That doesnt mean that theyre a bunch of corporatists or DLCers. Thats the wrong kind of left-center distinction to make....
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2015/10/13/10185/697
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)That white progressives are secretly still racist and really don't care about black people. As a racial minority myself, I never felt very welcome among white progressive groups. Bernie is basically unintentionally branding himself with the white progressive croud due to his supporters being mostly that.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)He's not popular with non-white voters, so not very many non-white voters are currently supporting him, so non-white voters say they don't feel welcome, repeat step 1...
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Do you have an evidence for that statement? I'd agree of course that individual white progressives are racist.
Bryant
marmar
(77,088 posts)...... but there doesn't really seem to be a point to this one.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)I read this three times and I still don't understand WTF the point of it was.
But I do know this - blacks are socialists. We're all socialists, we just don't want to admit it.
brush
(53,833 posts)Most African Americans still feel that connection with Bill Clinton (everybody, including AAs were working when he was president) and that transfers to his wife, Hillary.
It's not that complicated.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)that opinion piece is probably based on the latest poll from South Carolina, where only 3% of AAs support Sanders. Right now, most of them have many more things on their minds, besides the 2016 election. Like floods, and trying to eke out a living in this Right-to-Work hellhole. They likely aren't paying attention to what a white Senator from a predominately white state has to say right now. I think it's likely that most are not hearing his message, and I would guess that most would actually agree with him. But, yeah, they still love the Clintons. It's more about that than not being socialists.
pscot
(21,024 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)black folks were actually less turned off by the word 'socialist' than the general population as a whole. And socialism is about doing things by the community, for the community, at least in the sense it's being used lately. So I think the original author is simply wrong here. Others, who have pointed out that Clinton has made a point of getting lots of photo ops of herself appearing to be doing things for the black community, while not getting exposed for how so much of what she actually supported was far more damaging to the black community, make more sense in explaining why she has so much more black support. She's been telling them she's working for them for decades, keeping herself in the spotlight, while Bernie's simply been chugging away quietly amending bills and actually doing things without making sure everyone knew about it.
(ETA - My point being not that Bernie is great at speaking to blacks, but that there is nothing about socialism that is antithetical to black lived experience, or that otherwise explains why blacks are largely supporting Hillary, as opposed to being 'meh' to both candidates.)
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)"Maybe blacks just aren't socialists". The assumption here is that African Americans are monolothic. That they all do the same thing all the time. Like a herd.
Blacks are individuals. Some are socialists. Some are not. Some are Democrats. Some are Republicans. Why must we try to put them all in the same box?
phantom power
(25,966 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)But in generalized terms, blacks vote for Democrats by wide margins. It's not meant to say that every black person votes for Democrats (or that blacks who vote for Republicans aren't "black" enough).
But when a substantial percentage of a group votes in a particular fashion, it's just shorthand to say the group does. There's a reason Republicans are taking efforts to prevent blacks from voting.
I don't get bothered by people saying that men need to prevent rape as even though I'm not a rapist I can understand that most rapes are committed by guys.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... something that turns PoC off because its at the core of "you'll never be good enough" regardless of whether Sanders was speaking to that meme or not?!
If find most if not all of Sanders criticism at Obama unfair because Sanders was never the "organizer" he wanted Obama to be and Sander critique ignores overt gerrymandering of GOP house and that Obama has gotten nearly 80% of what he has promised done or is working on it despite people who were on the onset out to obstruct him.
Paling around with world class and well known Obama Hater Cornell West in SC didn't help either, what the hell was Sanders thinking?
Sanders message is anti establishment, Obama is a part of that establishment...
Some of the blame on the low ratings with PoC is Sanders own fault
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and have a strong interest in making as much money as they can
phantom power
(25,966 posts)Are you saying that they think Sanders' policies will prevent them from making more money, and/or they think HRC's policies will make them more money than Sanders?
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)inclined to see each one as an individual with their own goals/dreams/attitudes. I don't think they are quite the monolith.
Demographics such as age, geographic and education help determine perspective.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)that the really vocal and shall we say 'enthusiastic' Sanders supporters who believe the best way to promote their candidate is to denigrate everything about Barack Obama was going to either send African-American voters rushing to the Clinton camp, or disengage them altogether... And that was well before the thing with BLM happened...
Yeah, I haven't agreed with everything Obama has done, but pseudo-Dem dudebros trying to re-write history and say Obama has never done anything for us over the past seven years are insulting everyone's intelligence... And even though DU has toned down the craziness a little, nutty Sanders supporters are still running amok on Twitter -- And if you're crazy enough to piss off/alienate Black Twitter, God help you.
Just a few of my more colorful examples:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016129889
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026719565
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=516903
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251505656
And I say this as an African-American who is a (quiet) Sanders supporter...The ultimate irony now is the left blogosphere working overtime trying to come up with a theory to 'explain' why Sanders polls so low among us (without being overly condescending, of course), as shown by this well-meaning but speculative effort by the blogger in the OP...