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NonMetro

(631 posts)
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:10 AM Oct 2015

Hillary Clinton A "Progressive." That's A Good Thing, Right?

I think she is, and I also think she defines the term. Democrats started using this word, "Progressive" with the rise of "New" Democrats in the early 90's, with the rise of the Clinton's, and some began using it to avoid the brow beatings that Liberals were taking from the Republicans. Since that time, the word "Progressive" has become defined by those who align with the concept

But what is a "Progressive"? Do people's agree that a "Progressive" is not the same as a "liberal"? FDR and JFK, for instance, were liberals, and proud of it. Neither one would have ever gone along with the welfare (so-called) "reform" of the 90's, recognizing, as others did at the time, that this was simply another thinly veiled excuse to reduce public assistance to needy people. But "Progressives" supported that. Liberals would not have gone along with NAFTA, either, realizing this was simply a way for corporate America to "hold the line" on wages, and give them more bargaining power to break unions, i.e., "we'll move your job to Mexico where they work for a tenth of what you do." But "Progressives" support this. Progressives also support cameras on every street corner, the right of employers to have cameras hovering over the heads of their employee's, and even the rights of employers, in general, to force drug tests and polygraph tests on their employees. Liberals don't.

So, what other things do "Progressives" support? Should we support "Progressives"?

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EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
1. "You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center. I plead guilty."
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:17 AM
Oct 2015

Hilary Clinton quote to the audience at a Women for Hillary event in Ohio Sept. 10, 2015.

Which is it? Is she a moderate? A progressive? A moderate progressive? A progressive moderate? A corporatist? Of just on the edge of being a Republican?

NonMetro

(631 posts)
4. Well, I'll vote for her, anyway, because
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:55 PM
Oct 2015

Right now "Progressives" dominate the party, and we need more Democrats in congress, too. But going forward, we all need to understand that a "progressive" is not really a friend of either the working people or the less fortunate, and they are definitely not liberals. They're more like what used to be known as "liberal" Republicans.

BTW: "Progressives" also know about her Wall Street connections and they approve of that, too. So, I'll add that to the definition of "Progressive": supporters of Wall Street dominance, and Big money dominance of our election process, too. They can fall all over themselves denying it, if they want. But there is no doubt in my mind that that is what they do support. That's what HRC is: a "Progressive".

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
5. complete Orwellian bullshit
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 01:58 PM
Oct 2015

sorry, i refuse to give the neocons that term. clinton and coventional dems are socially liberal, but support similar failed economic "conservatism" as most status quo politicians. the dlc third way dems are radical centrists, but they are not progressive by any definition of the word.

NonMetro

(631 posts)
7. A Lot Of Democrats Self Identify As "Progressive", But Nobody Stops To Ask...
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 06:57 PM
Oct 2015

What the word "Progressive" means to them? To me, a "Progressive" supports the status quo, Wall Street, and corporate America. Maybe they're all former Republicans who needed to get out of the nut house, and the Democratic Party was at least not nutty?

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
3. All we can do is speak for ourselves , when people campain they'll say anything .
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:39 AM
Oct 2015

Remember your last job interveiw ? Amoungst old freinds we are who we are ( sometimes ha. Ha )

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