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marym625

(17,997 posts)
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:19 PM Oct 2015

just curious who thinks we should take more Syrian refugees

I posted a link to Senator Durbin's impassioned plea for a Democratic initiative to take in 100,000 refugees from Syria.

Speech
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027271991

Press release

“The situation in Syria is the humanitarian crisis of our time,” said Durbin. “The magnitude of the crisis is clear in the numbers of Syrian men, women, and children fleeing the violence, but the human stories behind the statistics give heartbreaking urgency for us to act. I saw firsthand how Greece is accepting refugees and helping to resettle them as best they can. The United States continues to lead the way in financial assistance, but we have a moral obligation to do all we can to help these people in need. My colleagues and I will continue to push for the United States to resettle more refugees as the crisis grows.”


Durbin traveled with Senators Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), and Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)


I'm surprised at how few views the post has. I'm curious now if people don't think we should take in refugees from Syria.
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We should but no more than the 10,000 President Obama is requesting
1 (3%)
We should take in the 100,000 Senators Durbin, Warren and other Dems are requesting
1 (3%)
100,000 is nothing compared to how many we should take in
25 (71%)
We shouldn't allow any more than are already here.
6 (17%)
some other answer I will explain in a reply
2 (6%)
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just curious who thinks we should take more Syrian refugees (Original Post) marym625 Oct 2015 OP
I want millions but I do know America is running out of natural resources and space yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #1
I agree, to an extent marym625 Oct 2015 #5
Paraguay enid602 Oct 2015 #51
Huh? We're swimming in natural resources and space Recursion Oct 2015 #62
Why just Syrians, tho, guys? Other refugee groups are being discriminated Hortensis Oct 2015 #123
Me, and believe it or not, Rick Snyder! KamaAina Oct 2015 #2
I'm sorry I missed your post! marym625 Oct 2015 #6
Wow! I've got a fan! KamaAina Oct 2015 #18
I left Chicago about 2 months ago. marym625 Oct 2015 #20
And I'm down in San Jose! KamaAina Oct 2015 #22
LOL! marym625 Oct 2015 #23
We do have DU meetups on occasion KamaAina Oct 2015 #27
sounds like a plan marym625 Oct 2015 #30
Union City Blue merrily Oct 2015 #66
Who knew!? marym625 Oct 2015 #68
Marily knew! We're very welcome. merrily Oct 2015 #70
LOL! marym625 Oct 2015 #75
P.S. Maybe it could be the theme song for your Bernie Group? merrily Oct 2015 #71
not a bad idea! marym625 Oct 2015 #77
We could probably do more than 10,000, but how many more could we reliably vet in terms of TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #3
If Senator Durbin, Warren and Klobuchar aren't worried, marym625 Oct 2015 #7
Eeek! Muslins!! Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #10
Quite a few Syrians are Christian. KamaAina Oct 2015 #24
+100,000 marym625 Oct 2015 #25
100,000 or more BainsBane Oct 2015 #4
Totally agree. Thank you marym625 Oct 2015 #9
Yep, agree! mountain grammy Oct 2015 #14
Agreed. closeupready Oct 2015 #35
I think 100,000 is a good start Marrah_G Oct 2015 #8
I like it. marym625 Oct 2015 #11
We've already provided 4.5 billion dollars in relief aid Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #12
yes, I know marym625 Oct 2015 #13
Why do we need to take them in Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #16
because it's the right thing to do marym625 Oct 2015 #19
Playing a devil's advocate, I might say the 'right thing to do' is Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #29
yep. marym625 Oct 2015 #38
No doubt, many people believe the right thing to do is much more predicated on imaginary borders LanternWaste Oct 2015 #114
"Imaginary borders?" What the hell are those? Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #115
Look what's happening in Germany. Go 840high Oct 2015 #33
I do. I have. It's the right thing to do marym625 Oct 2015 #39
European newspapers hardly differ from their American counterparts eissa Oct 2015 #43
I see mostly able bodied men. I call them migrants. 840high Oct 2015 #47
Yes, because if you haven't noticed eissa Oct 2015 #49
Yes, god forbid they return home and fight or something... Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #113
Fight for what? For whom? eissa Oct 2015 #116
Take their country back? Topple Assad? Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #130
Congratulations, eissa... Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #134
Let's help our children and elderly - it's the 840high Oct 2015 #48
Absolutely no reason we can't do both marym625 Oct 2015 #52
We don't. Read a story last 840high Oct 2015 #55
I know we don't. That's why I'm trying so hard to make sure Sanders is elected. marym625 Oct 2015 #60
Germany can't absorb them all BainsBane Oct 2015 #40
Turkey needs to step in and help. 840high Oct 2015 #56
There are already about 2 million Syrian refugees in Turkey. It doesn't treat them too well. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #57
Thanks. 840high Oct 2015 #58
Where do you think they were all going before now? Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #73
Yes I know. Europe is stasrting to say 840high Oct 2015 #85
Where does the money go though? Marrah_G Oct 2015 #15
Refugees should be located in a place from which it's plausible they'll return home one day. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #17
I appreciate your opinion marym625 Oct 2015 #26
Refugees in the United States are given permanent residency when they successfully... Humanist_Activist Oct 2015 #117
They should go home especially all the young men. WDIM Oct 2015 #21
completely disagree but I appreciate your thoughts. eom marym625 Oct 2015 #28
On which side should they fight for? eissa Oct 2015 #32
...+1 840high Oct 2015 #34
Isnt it sexist to say the men should stay and fight, while the women leave? Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #88
+1 marym625 Oct 2015 #94
This is a remarkably stupid post, both sexist and classless. Something more appropriate.... Humanist_Activist Oct 2015 #119
if we take more they should all go live with obama and w, who caused this whole problem nt msongs Oct 2015 #31
uhm, can't really blame him for all of it marym625 Oct 2015 #42
Pretty sure those voting against allowing any in eissa Oct 2015 #36
+1 .. n/t obnoxiousdrunk Oct 2015 #37
+100,000 marym625 Oct 2015 #41
I would feel the same way. How 840high Oct 2015 #59
We have the resources to do both eissa Oct 2015 #61
We won't do both. Our poor and elderly are mostly ignored. 840high Oct 2015 #86
And there is the real point. We have spent trillions destroying jwirr Oct 2015 #105
Helping refugees is orders of magnitude more helpful than bombing people. Maedhros Oct 2015 #44
+100,000 marym625 Oct 2015 #45
Plus if we look at the Vietnam War refugees we will see that jwirr Oct 2015 #106
Not only should we take in more, we should ask for host families to foster them. Stinky The Clown Oct 2015 #46
+100,000 marym625 Oct 2015 #53
Everyone from Syria and Iraq should be settled in red states that supported the wars frizzled Oct 2015 #50
while it would be nice to have those who want war to support those who are caused injury marym625 Oct 2015 #54
Force Republicans and neo-cons to pay for the damage they've done. frizzled Oct 2015 #93
I like it. marym625 Oct 2015 #95
Let's not forget the journalists - Fox HQ would make a nice refugee camp frizzled Oct 2015 #96
Excellent point! marym625 Oct 2015 #102
Will this tax include pro war Democrats? NobodyHere Oct 2015 #120
We're now in the realms of fantasy fiction frizzled Oct 2015 #122
Maybe we should take ISIS ozone_man Oct 2015 #63
interesting thought marym625 Oct 2015 #67
Maybe we should take ISIS ozone_man Oct 2015 #63
Maybe we should take ISIS ozone_man Oct 2015 #65
Not a single one until every immigrant already here is legitimized. pipoman Oct 2015 #69
I agree wholeheartedly we should do that years ago. marym625 Oct 2015 #79
That also is a good point. jwirr Oct 2015 #107
>100,000 IVoteDFL Oct 2015 #72
+100,000 marym625 Oct 2015 #125
100,000...at least. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #74
+100,000 marym625 Oct 2015 #80
Our fucked up policies are what destabilized the region in the first place PatrickforO Oct 2015 #76
+100,000 marym625 Oct 2015 #82
We should take in as much as possible prouddemfromaustin44 Oct 2015 #78
and so many are marym625 Oct 2015 #83
We broke it... nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #81
+100,000 marym625 Oct 2015 #84
I would take them into my own home if I could. Lyric Oct 2015 #87
that's wonderful and beautifully generous marym625 Oct 2015 #97
Churches did that for the Vietnam refugees. I remember jwirr Oct 2015 #109
We, America, has plenty of room for people so we can easily take more. YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #89
We sure do. And frankly, besides being the right thing to do, marym625 Oct 2015 #98
As a bonus it pisses off the xeonphobes YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #103
That's an excellent reason all by itself! marym625 Oct 2015 #104
I think we should take one for every ten the arab nations take. CBGLuthier Oct 2015 #90
well, that's more than some people think. marym625 Oct 2015 #99
I read that while many are going to Europe many are also jwirr Oct 2015 #110
More. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2015 #91
+100,000 marym625 Oct 2015 #100
We should take zero bigwillq Oct 2015 #92
They're not mutually exclusive. But thank you for your reply marym625 Oct 2015 #101
Saudis and the Gulf states are not allowing refugees in, nor are they meeting the needs of the UNHCR JCMach1 Oct 2015 #108
Isn't that what they are doing by not supporting the refugees? n/t Humanist_Activist Oct 2015 #118
We're also a major cause. you don't think we have an obligation to help? marym625 Oct 2015 #126
Plenty of blame to go around, but the current war in Yemen and ISIS funding JCMach1 Oct 2015 #131
Stop supporting the foreign islamists CJCRANE Oct 2015 #111
While that may be true for the future, it won't change what is currently happening. marym625 Oct 2015 #128
i support large increases in taking of all refugees La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2015 #112
I love this response. Thank you! eom marym625 Oct 2015 #127
We created the refugee problem, in Syria and everyone forgets the 4 million Iraqi sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #121
A little unbalanced? You really give us too much credit, and Hortensis Oct 2015 #124
Totally agree marym625 Oct 2015 #129
The US did not create Syria's refugee problem... JCMach1 Oct 2015 #132
The US has been playing in Syria from the beginning, first with the CIA, now openly. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #133
Sorry, but compared to Gulf Arab involvement, that footprint is tiny... JCMach1 Oct 2015 #135
Where does all their money and weaponry come from? CJCRANE Oct 2015 #136
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. I want millions but I do know America is running out of natural resources and space
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:22 PM
Oct 2015

Whatever number decided is fine with me since those in the know have a bigger picture.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
5. I agree, to an extent
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:32 PM
Oct 2015

Let's not forget that some of those "in the know" deny climate change

Thank you!

enid602

(8,597 posts)
51. Paraguay
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 08:55 PM
Oct 2015

Maybe a large number could be resettled to the large spread that Bushco bought at the headwaters of the Parana River in Paraguay. Largest source of fresh water in SA. You know, the one he bought a few days after invading Iraq. He sent one of his daughters down there to sign the docs while she was touring for UNESCO. Very discreet.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
62. Huh? We're swimming in natural resources and space
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:12 AM
Oct 2015

We are basically the same area as China with one quarter the population, and the entire western half of China is some of the least-densely-settled land in the world.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
123. Why just Syrians, tho, guys? Other refugee groups are being discriminated
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 04:49 PM
Oct 2015

against in favor of Syrian refugees. Not the Syrians' fault or anything, but for some reason in some places they have been getting the best camps, best tents, best food, most assistance, being "fast" tracked (a highly misleading term, but, still, faster than others) while others are in bad shape.

How about...Yemenis, Afghans, Eritrians, Libyans, Iraqis, Nigerians.... How many should we take in? Should they be in addition to Syrians?

Should the fact that we take in people from Central and South America that Europe does not be considered when we figure out what our duty is?

Recursion, since we can't just dump people in trouble out on the high plains a more realistic evaluation would be immigration compared to ability of our existing population to absorb them. Speaking of, we do a lot of just that. Although we have less than 5% of the world's population, we attract about 20% of the world's migrants. A quarter of all Americans are first- or second-generation. We ARE truly a nation of immigrants.

Just some stuff to think about. That some European leaders find it expedient to claim we are not "doing our share," doesn't mean it is completely, or even mostly, true.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
20. I left Chicago about 2 months ago.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:03 PM
Oct 2015

Right before Cubs fever

I'm in the San Francisco East Bay area

Yes, you have a fan!

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
22. And I'm down in San Jose!
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:04 PM
Oct 2015

VTA runs a bus up to BART at Fremont, or as I call it, the "Gateway To Civilization".

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
27. We do have DU meetups on occasion
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:11 PM
Oct 2015

generally myself, arcane1, and Hell Hath No Fury. Both of them are in SF. The usual destination is Tommy's Joynt at Van Ness and Geary, "home of the buffalo stew".

Then again, since it's such a PITA for me to get up there without a car , perhaps we could scare up some other South Bay DUers and go someplace I can actually get to (that is, downtown San Jose ).

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
3. We could probably do more than 10,000, but how many more could we reliably vet in terms of
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:25 PM
Oct 2015

terrorism? I still have the Tsarnaevs on the brain. Seems likely that allowing large numbers quickly will allow some AQ/ISIS sympathizers to slip through.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
7. If Senator Durbin, Warren and Klobuchar aren't worried,
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:37 PM
Oct 2015

I highly doubt that's a serious issue. Just my humble opinion. But I understand your concern

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
10. Eeek! Muslins!!
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:38 PM
Oct 2015

Seriously, I am not that worried about AQ/ISIS sympathizers. Their ability to wreak havoc here seems about on a par with our regular, run of the mill, all-American criminals. Somebody killed three people? Just another day in America.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
8. I think 100,000 is a good start
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:38 PM
Oct 2015

If you take in too many at once it could lead to problems finding places to settle them. Settle 100k and then once you have a plan to place more open the doors again.

I would start with families, women with children, elderly and disabled. Pull all our military out of the middle east and use the money to help the people instead. Mobile homes with schools, playgrounds, places to garden, etc etc. That would be way cheaper in the long run. Heck partner with business to open factories nearby....maybe to make more mobile homes...

marym625

(17,997 posts)
11. I like it.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:40 PM
Oct 2015

I don't think we really have to be too worried about vetting. Not that it shouldn't be done but that it would be done well. These people are suffering.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
13. yes, I know
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:41 PM
Oct 2015

And it's mentioned in Durbin's speech. Are you saying that's enough and we shouldn't take in refugees?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
29. Playing a devil's advocate, I might say the 'right thing to do' is
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:13 PM
Oct 2015

for the military-aged men to fight and take back their country, instead of fleeing...

Of course the dynamic is a bit different now that the Russians are involved...They're going to stomp any anti-Assad forces like ants...

marym625

(17,997 posts)
38. yep.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:40 PM
Oct 2015

I don't want to get into the virtues and evils of what you're saying. If someone feels helpless, persecuted, their very lives are in danger, we should do what we can. Just my humble opinion

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
114. No doubt, many people believe the right thing to do is much more predicated on imaginary borders
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:58 PM
Oct 2015

No doubt, many people believe the right thing to do is much more predicated on imaginary borders (a standard act of faith, I guess) and less on actual lives, actual hunger and actual safety-- especially convenient when we suggest everyone but ourselves make a sacrifice...

eissa

(4,238 posts)
43. European newspapers hardly differ from their American counterparts
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:48 PM
Oct 2015

Those that lean right will highlight the worst of the bunch and paint all refugees as being "the same." While those with a liberal bent do the opposite. I don't think it's too much to ask for the international community to look at the cases of those who are war refugees and respond as we would to this crisis as we have in the past, and as we would if the victims were not Middle Eastern.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
47. I see mostly able bodied men. I call them migrants.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 08:10 PM
Oct 2015

We cannot help our own children or old people.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
49. Yes, because if you haven't noticed
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 08:20 PM
Oct 2015

trekking across continents on foot is no easy task, particularly for the elderly and children. When my in-laws made it they were alarmed at the number of children in their dingy, which nearly capsized in the rough waters. But they made it, are enrolled in German language classes now, and will hopefully become productive members of society, as most of these REFUGEES hope to be.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
116. Fight for what? For whom?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 03:10 PM
Oct 2015

The repressive government that never did anything for them? The rebels? Which ones? Not many care to have Christians in their ranks.

Also, fuck you. Go ahead and alert, it was worth it. We get it, you hate the refugees. They're not like you.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
130. Take their country back? Topple Assad?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:03 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:44 AM - Edit history (1)

Have you never studied the history of war, any war?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
134. Congratulations, eissa...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:42 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:22 AM - Edit history (1)

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840high

(17,196 posts)
55. We don't. Read a story last
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 09:20 PM
Oct 2015

night about a family living in a cardboard box. Their two year old wandered off and that's how they found out about this family.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
60. I know we don't. That's why I'm trying so hard to make sure Sanders is elected.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 11:31 PM
Oct 2015

The welfare reform from the Clinton era, all the horrible shit from the Reagan era, and so very many cuts in social programs for people, while elevating socialism for corporations, is completely and totally inhumane.

There is no reason we can't do both.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
57. There are already about 2 million Syrian refugees in Turkey. It doesn't treat them too well.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 10:31 PM
Oct 2015

They can't get work permits. But I hear it's going to try to block some of the refugees in return for a $3.4 billion bribe from the EU.

Turkey also has a huge responsibility for destabilizing Syria itself.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. Refugees should be located in a place from which it's plausible they'll return home one day.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:48 PM
Oct 2015

It's plausible they'll return from Germany. It's not real plausible they'll all return from the other side of the planet.

So, there would have to be a very candid discussion about the future of these people before they get here. They likely would have to be treated as immigrants seeking citizenship or permanent residency.

Are they a good fit for assimilation and integration? Not everyone is.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
117. Refugees in the United States are given permanent residency when they successfully...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 03:13 PM
Oct 2015

apply for refugee status here.

Those who can't or won't integrate will most likely leave when the opportunity presents itself, those who are happy here and are able to rebuild their lives here will most likely stay, going back to their home country for visits and such when it is safe enough to do so.

I don't see why the Syrians are very different from the Bosnians.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
21. They should go home especially all the young men.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:04 PM
Oct 2015

They should be there fighting to save their country.

Women and children and elderly and disabled should be the only refugees we accept.

They young and able bodied should go back and demand peace in their land.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
32. On which side should they fight for?
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:15 PM
Oct 2015

Very easy to say when you live in a country that has waged multiple wars in our lifetime where less than 5% of the population actually served. Most people, regardless of their country, actually don't like to fight in wars, especially in one where there is no good side.

Vet the applicants and let some in. We've done it in the past post WWII and at the end of the Vietnam War, we can do it again. We have the resources; if we can spend $500 million to train 5 rebels, we can afford to spend that on humanitarian efforts for those who are paying for our foreign policy blunders.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
88. Isnt it sexist to say the men should stay and fight, while the women leave?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:10 AM
Oct 2015

Why should the women not be fighting for their country as well?

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
119. This is a remarkably stupid post, both sexist and classless. Something more appropriate....
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 04:09 PM
Oct 2015

On other, less diverse message boards.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
42. uhm, can't really blame him for all of it
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:46 PM
Oct 2015

Since you obviously don't think for a second what you said will actually happen, are you saying we shouldn't take any more?

eissa

(4,238 posts)
36. Pretty sure those voting against allowing any in
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:30 PM
Oct 2015

had no problem with us taking in refugees post WWII. I wonder if they would feel the same if the refugees we were asked to take in were from Iceland. Doubt it.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
61. We have the resources to do both
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:02 AM
Oct 2015

We can find trillions for our war adventures, we can use a fraction of that to help the victims we created.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
105. And there is the real point. We have spent trillions destroying
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:55 PM
Oct 2015

their countries and now they are running from a hopeless situation that we have created.

Unfortunately I do not see TPTB doing anything except token efforts. And if we continue down the kind of political road we are on now they will pit the refugees against the poor so that they can cut their benefits as well. We live in a very greedy self-centered country.

BTW I think the laws would allow you to help relatives without this refugee plan.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
44. Helping refugees is orders of magnitude more helpful than bombing people.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:48 PM
Oct 2015

It's also less expensive.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
106. Plus if we look at the Vietnam War refugees we will see that
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:58 PM
Oct 2015

they have done quite well for themselves and added to our economic growth.

Stinky The Clown

(67,765 posts)
46. Not only should we take in more, we should ask for host families to foster them.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 07:55 PM
Oct 2015

And we should do that for ALL such refugees.

 

frizzled

(509 posts)
50. Everyone from Syria and Iraq should be settled in red states that supported the wars
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 08:38 PM
Oct 2015

That would be nice and fair; and as religious whackjobs, they'll all get along.

I'd start by giving the refugees the houses of registered republican donors. Guess they'll need guns, too; fortunately many of these boys are pretty handy with an AK.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
54. while it would be nice to have those who want war to support those who are caused injury
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 09:14 PM
Oct 2015

Due to those wars, you and I both know, that will never happen.

So, you still think we should take in some refugees?

 

frizzled

(509 posts)
93. Force Republicans and neo-cons to pay for the damage they've done.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:11 AM
Oct 2015

Put a special poll tax on all registered Republicans to resettle refugees and confiscate their homes via lottery.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
95. I like it.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:23 AM
Oct 2015

But those who are in, or were in, office and voted for or pushed for war, and any corporation that lobbied for war, goes before the lottery

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
63. Maybe we should take ISIS
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:13 AM
Oct 2015

and let the secular Syrians have Syria. Why should they have to leave, because the U. S. Is supporting the radical Islamists?

marym625

(17,997 posts)
67. interesting thought
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:45 AM
Oct 2015

Actually, though obviously never going to happen. But yeah. Serves us right. And they should all be supported by Bush, Cheney, Powell and Wolfowitz

(your post was tripled)

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
63. Maybe we should take ISIS
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:13 AM
Oct 2015

and let the secular Syrians have Syria. Why should they have to leave, because the U. S. Is supporting the radical Islamists?

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
65. Maybe we should take ISIS
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:14 AM
Oct 2015

and let the secular Syrians have Syria. Why should they have to leave, because the U. S. Is supporting the radical Islamists?

marym625

(17,997 posts)
79. I agree wholeheartedly we should do that years ago.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:11 AM
Oct 2015

But we know that isn't going to happen overnight. We do know these people are dying now. And yes, I know there are immigrants here suffering, just like so many of our citizens are suffering. It all can and should be fixed. But making one dependent on the other will ensure nothing happens

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
76. Our fucked up policies are what destabilized the region in the first place
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:56 AM
Oct 2015

The entire industrialized world, us most of all, owe these people succor.

 
78. We should take in as much as possible
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:11 AM
Oct 2015

We have an obligation to live up to our supposed ideals of being "The Land of Opportunity". But in any case, the world community should be doing everything they can to take care of these refugees. Otherwise, these people will undoubtedly suffer a terrible fate.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
83. and so many are
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:16 AM
Oct 2015

I don't know if you listened to Durbin's speech but his relating this to Vietnam was heart wrenching

Lyric

(12,675 posts)
87. I would take them into my own home if I could.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 04:51 AM
Oct 2015

We live in a small mobile home, but the other members of my family would happily give up a bedroom and the living room to a small refugee family--or even a large one, if necessary. Sign us up. It's killing us to watch what they're going through.

Why doesn't our government give us the option of adopting a refugee family? Bring them here. Let us help them. Compared to their plight, even the poor here in America are wealthy.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
97. that's wonderful and beautifully generous
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:05 AM
Oct 2015

Here's a site that may help you out. While I can't find anything on the site that tells you how to do that, I'm sure if you email them, they can give you more information. Help Syrian Refugees

I know before, during and after WWII, there were private people going to Europe to bring refugees here. Many of them spent every dime they had to at least get Jewish children out. The U.S. wasn't very helpful. Here's a documentary about one couple that valiantly fought to bring 50 children here 50 Children I'm not sure you can watch it from that link. If not, I think it's on this great site Free Documentaries

I wish I could host a family. Not possible at the moment since I'm staying with my brother.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
109. Churches did that for the Vietnam refugees. I remember
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:10 PM
Oct 2015

several families who were helped in my own community. One problem that develops is that when the sponsored refugee is helped so much while the poor family in the same community is shunned.

One of the churches gave them free rent of a furnished home, a new car, clothes, and a good job. That was not very well received by those who were poorer.

A problem I remember with the Cuban refugees was that instead of taking a woman and her children the church took two men who they decided would end up helping their own family. It did not quite work out that way. One of the men turned out to be a criminal and they other was a real con-artist. If given a choice take the woman and children.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
90. I think we should take one for every ten the arab nations take.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:53 AM
Oct 2015

Of course that would mean about 20 or so.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
92. We should take zero
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:01 AM
Oct 2015

And concentrate on taking care of the people already in our country who are struggling.

JCMach1

(27,553 posts)
108. Saudis and the Gulf states are not allowing refugees in, nor are they meeting the needs of the UNHCR
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:02 PM
Oct 2015

for refugees...

Note, these countries are the major cause for the ongoing wars in both countries.



Sure, the US can do more, but the Gulf States need to help themselves this time.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
126. We're also a major cause. you don't think we have an obligation to help?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:35 PM
Oct 2015

Help by taking some of the millions?

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
111. Stop supporting the foreign islamists
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:32 PM
Oct 2015

and there'll be no need for the real moderates, shias, christians and minorities to leave.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
112. i support large increases in taking of all refugees
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:37 PM
Oct 2015

especially south american refugees from drug wars that we help start. This country is giant and does have the space to do this.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
121. We created the refugee problem, in Syria and everyone forgets the 4 million Iraqi
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 04:17 PM
Oct 2015

refugees we created who fled to both Jordan and Syria, now we are helping drive THEM from Syria AGAIN.

War mongering nations who are responsible should be the ONLY nations obliged to take in the victims of their Wars for Profit.

It isn't the responsibility of nations who did not join in our Imperial Wars.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
124. A little unbalanced? You really give us too much credit, and
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:10 PM
Oct 2015

other people, like the ones who live there, far, far too little. Poor little mindless peacenicks who'd be living happy lives building sandcastles, grabbing and eating crabs and snakes as they crawled by? Is that the picture? They don't deserve that contempt. They're PEOPLE, and damned conservative ones at that (conservative = more war), with governments that typically combine secular and religious leaders in one position (gov+religion = more war). The history of that region is one of thousands of years of wars and massacres, of great civilizations that arose long before northern Europe's, declined and were replaced, or were destroyed and replaced. They have books, ones they've been writing themselves for centuries, and can even read, cultures, ethics, morals, religions, civilizations, governments.

We've done some bad things, all right, but if the U.S.A. had never approached the middle east, things would not be all that different. Except its wealthy would be be poorer.

Oh, yes! Thought of one -- We are far more responsible for global warming than any other one country, and that is one of the major destabilizing problems in the middle east and Africa. But even there the oil-producing nations have been doing all they can to encourage burn-baby-burn on the planet. They are victims, yes, but hardly innocent or too stupid to look after themselves.

This is a notion of what the great library at Alexandria probably looked like 3 centuries before the birth of Christ. It probably held a half million scrolls before it and they were destroyed. A dreadful loss to humanity.

JCMach1

(27,553 posts)
132. The US did not create Syria's refugee problem...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:12 PM
Oct 2015

that would be a multi-sided civil war where the most dangerous and disruptive groups have been bankrolled by the Saudis and the Gulf States...

Meanwhile, the Assad regime has become a proxy for Iran and the other Shia in the ME.

Our invasion of Iraq has had little to do with the destabilization of Syria... it has merely added to the magnitude of the clusterfrak..

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
133. The US has been playing in Syria from the beginning, first with the CIA, now openly.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:16 PM
Oct 2015

So, yeah, we did help create Syria's refugee problem.

JCMach1

(27,553 posts)
135. Sorry, but compared to Gulf Arab involvement, that footprint is tiny...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:20 PM
Oct 2015

This is largely a problem that should be resolved by regional powers and the Gulf Arab states that created most of this mess.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
136. Where does all their money and weaponry come from?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:25 PM
Oct 2015

The MIC is probably going to destabilize Europe next, and then finally America.

At that point, we'll all be wondering why we let them dismantle so many countries without stopping them, but by then it'll be too late, they'll have turned on us, and there'll be no one left to defend us.

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