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pampango

(24,692 posts)
Fri May 25, 2012, 03:12 PM May 2012

Obama's statement in 2005 on why he was opposing Roberts' nomination as Chief Justice.

... the fascinating time-capsule quality of a Washington Post story about the vote on Roberts's confirmation, in 2005. Roberts (who had just turned 50) was approved by a 78-22 margin, with all Republicans voting in favor and the Democrats split evenly, 22 for and 22 against.

The Post story discussed the motives and rationales of the leading Democrats in the Senate for voting the way they did, and considered the ramifications for the later ambitions of several of them, including Sens. Biden, Bayh, Clinton, etc. It also discussed the views of Sens. Chuck Schumer, Lindsey Graham, Jon Kyl, et al -- but did not even mention one of the Democrats opposed to Roberts. This was of course the 44-year-old freshman senator from Illinois whom Chief Justice Roberts would swear in as president less than three and a half years later. It is one more reminder of the out-of-nowhere quality of Barack Obama's rise.

A reader has just sent in a link to a WSJ item from 2009, which quoted Obama's stated in 2005 for opposing the Roberts choice. Given what we know about Roberts from his six-plus years on the Court, and what we have learned about Obama, it makes worthwhile reading now. Here are passages from Obama's 2005 statement of opposition to Roberts ... :

"The problem I face...is that while adherence to legal precedent and rules of statutory or constitutional construction will dispose of 95% of the cases that come before a court... what matters on the Supreme Court is those 5% of cases that are truly difficult.

In those cases, adherence to precedent and rules of construction and interpretation will only get you through the 25th mile of the marathon. That last mile can only be determined on the basis of one's deepest values, one's core concerns, one's broader perspectives on how the world works, and the depth and breadth of one's empathy.

In those 5% of hard cases, the constitutional text will not be directly on point. The language of the statute will not be perfectly clear. Legal process alone will not lead you to a rule of decision.... In those difficult cases, the critical ingredient is supplied by what is in the judge's heart.

I talked to Judge Roberts about this. Judge Roberts...did say he doesn't like bullies and has always viewed the law as a way of evening out the playing field between the strong and the weak.

I was impressed with that statement because I view the law in much the same way. The problem I had is that when I examined Judge Roberts' record and history of public service, it is my personal estimation that he has far more often used his formidable skills on behalf of the strong in opposition to the weak. In his work in the White House and the Solicitor General's Office, he seemed to have consistently sided with those who were dismissive of efforts to eradicate the remnants of racial discrimination in our political process. In these same positions, he seemed dismissive of the concerns that it is harder to make it in this world and in this economy when you are a woman rather than a man.

I want to take Judge Roberts at his word that he doesn't like bullies and he sees the law and the court as a means of evening the playing field between the strong and the weak. But given the gravity of the position to which he will undoubtedly ascend and the gravity of the decisions in which he will undoubtedly participate during his tenure on the court, I ultimately have to give more weight to his deeds and the overarching political philosophy that he appears to have shared with those in power than to the assuring words that he provided me in our meeting.


In the Citizens United ruling, he and his allies set out to answer questions the case itself did not necessarily raise, so as to overturn precedents they considered incorrect. If you're using the umpire analogy, it would be as if someone behind home plate suddenly yelled "Foot fault!" about a tennis match he saw out of the corner of his eye, with "Pass Interference!" and "Icing" calls thrown in to boot. The potential overturn of the Obama health care law may be desirable or not, according to your own views -- but it is anything but "humble."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/obama-and-roberts-the-view-from-2005/257624/
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Obama's statement in 2005 on why he was opposing Roberts' nomination as Chief Justice. (Original Post) pampango May 2012 OP
Wow. This is a great find and a good read. Thanks, pampango. freshwest May 2012 #1
So ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2012 #2
A VERY interesting read, especially given what has happened since... Spazito May 2012 #3
What a great find! Wait Wut May 2012 #4
Google "Gang of Fourteen" bvar22 May 2012 #11
So that's why Roberts flubbed giving Obama the oath of office... 3waygeek May 2012 #5
interesting BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #7
K&R n/t Lugnut May 2012 #6
Obama Dismissed The Reassuring Words DallasNE May 2012 #8
K & R Scurrilous May 2012 #9
Here is why I cringed at the Roberts' appointment Samantha May 2012 #10
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. So ...
Fri May 25, 2012, 03:21 PM
May 2012
"The problem I face...is that while adherence to legal precedent and rules of statutory or constitutional construction will dispose of 95% of the cases that come before a court... what matters on the Supreme Court is those 5% of cases that are truly difficult.


But Roberts has dealt with those 95% of cases by IGNORING precedent and rules of statutory abd constitutional construction, if doing so brings about his desired result.

Spazito

(50,338 posts)
3. A VERY interesting read, especially given what has happened since...
Fri May 25, 2012, 03:25 PM
May 2012

wrt decisions made by the USSC with Roberts as Chief Justice. President Obama, then Senator Obama, called it perfectly, imo.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
4. What a great find!
Fri May 25, 2012, 03:27 PM
May 2012

I'll have to research this later to see who those 22 Dem Senators were that voted for Roberts.

It also shows the incredible diplomacy of Barack Obama. He basically said, "Roberts is a lying asshole who hates women, minorities and equality." Unfortunately, he also made an enemy. A much too powerful one.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
11. Google "Gang of Fourteen"
Sat May 26, 2012, 09:37 AM
May 2012

and discover the treachery and betrayal of the "Centrist" DLC Democrats (again).

Truth is, neither Alito nor Roberts could have been seated on the Supreme Court without THESE "Centrist" Democrats turning against the Democratic Party and actively helping their ideological friends, the conservative Republicans.


The reason that Ken Salazar is "no longer serving"
is that he has been rewarded for his treachery and betrayal by being elevated to a very powerful position in the White House,
the Secretary of Interior...
just the guy we want guarding all the valuable resources in our Nation's Commons.

I applaud then Senator Obama for standing with the Democratic Party.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
7. interesting
Fri May 25, 2012, 05:59 PM
May 2012

very possible.

The statements by Senator Obama are so impressive. He understands the importance of looking at someone's track record of action; he understands the area where compassion for human suffering makes the final decision.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
8. Obama Dismissed The Reassuring Words
Fri May 25, 2012, 06:21 PM
May 2012

Which tells us that Obama thought Roberts was only telling him what he thought Obama wanted to hear. In other words, he was lying. I would say that pretty much sums it up.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
10. Here is why I cringed at the Roberts' appointment
Sat May 26, 2012, 01:11 AM
May 2012

During the Election 2000 controversy, Roberts, then a DC attorney, went to Florida and donated his time on a pro bono basis to assist Governor Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris through the recount process. He was considered a Constitutional expert. Given all that we know, and additionally, all that we have learned in hindsight, about the unconstitutional moves made during this period, it defies logic to believe that Roberts personally did not know these moves were unconstitutional.

For example, remember the Florida legislature's threat to still send a Republican Slate to the Electoral College even if Gore prevailed in the recount? The Constitution does not allow for states to change the terms of an election as outlined in its own State Constitution after the votes have been cast but before the Electoral College meets to vote. Clearly, any Republican slate authorized by the Republican-controlled Legislature in Florida would have been unconstitutional and the Electoral College could have refused to count that slate.

Roberts HAD to have known this, but in quiet acquiescence, allowed the threat to remain in the public domain. His appointment considering his involvement in this theft of a Presidential election gives further evidence of that often-cited complaint about the seedy side of the election process -- to the victor belongs to the spoils. And Bush* chose as one of his spoils the Roberts' appointment to the Supreme Court as Chief Justice as his way of rewarding the man for helping him take the Oval Office.

Sam

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