Hey! I found one of those darned Third-Way Progressives!

[MannyGoldstein]

Median family income dropped 5% under his presidency, while the already-low black median family income dropped by 10%.

I agree, allowing black Americans to be hurt more than white Americans is awful.

[msongs]

1. the aggressive attack against repub's nation-wide voter suppression makes up for it right? nt

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Sure. Just look at the Obama administrations record on stopping it:

[geek tragedy]

11. If you mean to suggest the Obama administration

has made zero efforts or has had zero success fighting vote suppression, then you are either revealing your personal ignorance on the subject, or lying.

Which is it?

http://www.justice.gov/crt/recent-activities-voting-section

P.S. Blaming Obama for the damage caused by Bush's sabotage of the economy is very Republican.

[emulatorloo]

66. Republicans do not exist in MannyWorld. Never seen him criticize one.

That being said, in general his posts are rhetorical attempts to project Republican policy failures onto Democrats.

I do admire how Manny's posts help Skinner and the other admins charge higher ad rates. He generates lots of clicks, and that is great for DU.

[sheshe2]

108. Ouch

[MannyGoldstein]

124. Boom!

Mic drop.

[sheshe2]

127. Thanks~

Will take that mic drop.





Boom!~

[Hekate]

120. +1,001. nt

[bettyellen]

150. Yep. Patient Zero for the ODS epidemic

[sheshe2]

107. Boom!

[Hekate]

118. +1,000

[emulatorloo]

3. Oh boy, you are sprouting new personalities!

You need a hug since I can't do that, reccing your thread to get you some loving.

[NanceGreggs]

4. Awwww - poor Manny has a sad.

Hillary's performance today has BS supporters and HRC supporters alike united behind her.

That means poor Manny has a hard time getting any attention.

Poor, poor, Manny.

See Manny post.

See Manny try to change the subject in an attempt to get RECs.

See Manny yet again try his best to be divisive.

Poor, poor Manny.

[Control-Z]

5. Spot on. (nt)

[emulatorloo]

6. Evil Racist Obama n/t

[rhett o rick]

22. If you believe that you missed the point. Obama is a conservative and conservatives worry more

about corporate profits than social justice. We've had conservative rule for 40 years and we are paying the price. HRC will give us 8 more years of conservatism. Watch corp profits grow and watch the poverty levels grow.

Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street don't care about the poverty rates. So why elect their puppet?

[CreekDog]

33. i don't find your posts all that liberal frankly

so I find that comment pretty intriguing.

[sabrina 1]

35. I find his posts to be very liberal.

[CreekDog]

36. i find your posts criticizing Vladimir Putin to be spot on

you really tore him a new one on many occasions.

[BeanMusical]

70. What does Putin have to do with the price of cheese in Liechtenstein?

[CreekDog]

71. It is very much related

Though the reason why it's related is a bit complex.

[rhett o rick]

54. So your post is about me and not what I said. Ad Hominem. nm

[Enthusiast]

51. +100%!

[Flying Squirrel]

7. I remember when your posts were required reading on DU

What happened?

[NanceGreggs]

8. I supported Democrats ...

... on DemocraticUnderground.

That was once a very popular position here on DemocraticUnderground.

And then the TOS was changed, and non-Democrats flooded the site. And then the "jury system" was introduced, and the TOS got tossed out the window.

Nowadays, being a Democrat on DemocraticUnderground means you're in the minority.

I still support Democrats. It is now a very unpopular position here on DemocraticUnderground.

That's what happened to me and other Democrats - the many who used to post here, and the few who still do.

[Marr]

10. Or...

You relentlessly attacked everyone to the left of Rahm Emmanuel, and people lost interest in reading detailed descriptions of how stupid they are.

[NanceGreggs]

21. The only people I ever characterized as "stupid" ...

... were the Republicans, and those willing to swallow their bullshit.

Look at what DU is now as opposed to when I was "popular" here:

Now we have "Democrats" on DU linking to RW sources to make whatever anti-Democratic point they're attempting to make. We have "Democrats" who have never, ever posted a single positive thing about any Democrat, or the Party.

We have "Democrats" urging people to NOT vote for HRC in the general if she is the (D) candidate. We have "Democrats" posting links to every anti-HRC and/or anti-Dem article they can find on the 'net.

I'm just another Democrat who became wildly unpopular for supporting Democrats - on DemocraticUnderground.

[rhett o rick]

29. We have progressives here in DU that are tired of the conservative leadership of our party.

Conservative leadership that has done zero to help those living in poverty. Conservatives that are more concerned with helping corporations getting profits than helping the 99%.

The Democratic Party has been split. The Progressive Side that favors the 99% and the Conservative side, taking black money from the billionaires and supporting the 1%.

You said this, "We have "Democrats" urging people to NOT vote for HRC in the general if she is the (D) candidate." If that were to happen, it would be a violation of the TOS. Maybe you are thinking of people pointing out the obvious. The large enthusiastic crowds supporting Sen Sanders are doing so because they see him as an honest candidate and most likely will be pretty pissed if the Democratic leadership, beholden to the billionaires, manipulate HRC into the general.

[840high]

30. I saw your very nasty post

about Bernie on the other site.

[Art_from_Ark]

45. Yeah, that post about us Bernie supporters being "cult followers"

That little diatribe totally sucked donkey weiner.

[1StrongBlackMan]

78. Which was it? A post about Bernie, or about Bernie supporters? ...

Just asking.

[Art_from_Ark]

119. It was a screed about Bernie supporters being "cult followers"

Last edited Sat Oct 24, 2015, 07:34 AM - Edit history (1)

A screen shot of that diatribe has been posted here on DU several times, and was viewable on hillaryclintonsupporters.com until it was either scrubbed or hidden from non-members.

[1StrongBlackMan]

138. Oh ... So 840High was incorrect? n/t

[Art_from_Ark]

139. There can be more than one topic or theme in an OP

The title was "The Bernista Cult Has Arrived", and the contents could be interpreted to be both a screed against Bernie and a screed against his supporters.

So 840High is also correct.

[1StrongBlackMan]

140. Oh ... Okay. n/t

[jfern]

128. And then they say we're the big meanies

[Art_from_Ark]

131. They're Slytherin to our Gryffindor

[hifiguy]

149. Well played, sir.

All the moreso for being completely true.

[Art_from_Ark]

135. Check this out-- the transformation is mind-boggling

This was written during the 2008 primary, by the same person who is now calling us "Bernista cultists"

"As I stated in an earlier post, the minute you resort to using terms like "HillBot" or "Obamaniac", you've already lost the argument. And it should be apparent why: If you must resort to name-calling in order to make your point, you obviously have no other point you feel is worth stating".

and

"Those of us determined to see a Democrat in the White House come next January will just soldier on without your "contribution", because calling John McCain's supporters McSame kool-aid drinking cultists doesn't win general elections any more than it will win the party's nomination."

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/NanceGreggs/361

Mamma mia

[bunnies]

61. I like how you used "stupid" in quotes.

Its totally different than you calling Bernie supporters "Dumb as a brick and twice as thick". Totally different.

[BeanMusical]

74. +1 I was about to post something about that gem.

But it wouldn't have been as good as your reply.

[NanceGreggs]

76. I didn't post that here, did I?

I know how much it annoys certain people not to be able to "jury" and "hide" what gets said elsewhere - but them's the breaks!

[bunnies]

102. Does it matter where you posted it?

Your pathetic little "safe zone" site isnt "ghouls". Im glad that hatesite isnt hidden. That way everyone here can see what you really think of DU and DUers.

The people who post at that site are no different that the freepers that troll here. They think they can go there and be gigantic assholes who shit on anyone who doesnt share their view. Then they come back here and gloat about the hate they spewed like the petty, bitter, cowards they are.

I think those tactics suck. They show a lack of courage and character. Id expect more from from a five year old. Take that to the "jury".

xoxo

thick as a brick

[NanceGreggs]

110. Don't lecture me ...

... about "hate sites".

Take a good look at DU - look at the vitriol that gets posted day-in and day-out about Democrats on this "Democratic" site.

Take a look at what posters have been called for having the fuckin' nerve to support Democrats on DemocraticUnderground.

Take a look at the posts that link to RW sites and tell me how "Democrats" find such bullshit and post about it here.

Take a look at the anti-Democratic OPs that wind up on the Greatest Page, while pro-Democratic OPs are flooded with anti-Democratic bullshit.

Take a look at the posts that have accused Obama and other Democrats of being "on the take", of being in cahoots with Republicans to destroy the country - without a single FACT to support those claims.

If you want to talk about a lack of courage and character, you might address that to the owner of this "Democratic" site who allows the most vile anti-Democratic BS to be posted here while claiming he has NO control over his own god-damned website because it's all up to the "juries" - as though they own the place, and he doesn't. The ultimate

The HRC site isn't "hidden" because we have no problem with what's posted there. There are NO RWers allowed to post there - as opposed to who is allowed to post here. And once RWers "out" themselves, they are banned - as opposed to here on DemocraticUnderground, where RW bullshit winds up at the top of the Greatest Page.

I really don't give a flyin' fuck what you think about anything. And that's really your problem - the fact that no one does.

[irisblue]

125. alert results

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"I really don't give a flyin' fuck what you think about anything" -- Over the top rudeness. That has no place here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Oct 23, 2015, 10:34 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: One profanity in a long rant doesn't amount to much
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: not seeing this as OTT LEAVE
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nah
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Don't agree with this post, but no reason to hide this one.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The comments directed at NANCE were a lot more rude than this. Frankly, her response was well-deserved. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

[grasswire]

130. why do you even bother coming to DU...

....considering how much you hate it here?

[NanceGreggs]

145. Why don't you ask ...

... all the people who apparently hate Democrats why they're posting here?

[betsuni]

126. They are completely obsessed, furious! This is fun. nt

[NanceGreggs]

129. I hate to admit ...

... exactly how much fun it is!

[1StrongBlackMan]

77. Edit to be made ...

Now we have "Democrats" on DU linking to RW sources to make whatever anti-Democratic point they're attempting to make. We have "Democrats" who have never, ever posted a single positive thing about any Democrat, or the Party.

Drop the Democrats, whether in quotes or not, as for quite some time, the term "Democrat" has been the third (or fourth) political descriptor of that segment for which you refer ... and, more recently, a high post count DUer, dropped the pretense of being a Democrat (and/or proclaiming they WERE Democrats, until the Party left them), and flat out STATED, "We are independents."

[Fearless]

38. Ding ding! We have a winner!

[Prism]

12. Would you say you're an apologist for corporate Democrats?

A lil bit?

[rhett o rick]

15. Interesting that you hate DU so much, yet still post here. nm

[NanceGreggs]

23. Oh, I haz had a BIG sad for a long time ...

... seeing what DU has become.

[NanceGreggs]

28. Thanks for the link!!!

And the free publicity!!!

[BeanMusical]

75. Here's more free publicity:

You're welcome!

[840high]

31. Then don't bother visiting.

[Bobbie Jo]

65. I believe

she was here long before you.

If she wants to make note of how much things have changed here, she has every right to do that.

Insipid one-liners notwithstanding.

[Marr]

69. The only thing that changed was who was in the White House.

When that happened, party loyalists and centrist types made an about face on much of what they'd claim to believe when Bush was in the White House, and began instead to defend the status quo.

That really is the root of the 'divisions' and change that happened around here in recent years.

[NanceGreggs]

81. Uh, nope.

What changed around here was the TOS. It went from allowing "constructive criticism of Dems" to "any and all criticism being allowed. That opened the door to RW trolls who were free to register here posing as "disappointed Democrats" - who have, and continue to post nothing but anti-Obama and anti-Dem bullshit, often lifted right off RW sites.

What changed was going from Moderators to "juries", where jurors can vote to hide posts on the basis of whether they like/agree with the poster or not. As Skinner himself stated, juries are not expected to enforce the TOS - which has now been thrown out the window, because it is not required to be followed by anyone.

What changed was that RWers and other non-Democrats are now considered "long term DUers" due to their years here and their post counts. They can host and sit on juries - and are able to quash any discussion that is pro-Dem while allowing RW-sourced, anti-Dem crap to stand.

Many long-time DUers left this site due to the anti-Obama/ anti-Democrat posts that, years ago, would have been removed by the Mods in the past. Now many HRC supporters have left DU for the same reason.

To say that the "only thing that changed was who was in the White House" is nonsense - and you know it. You've been here as long as I have. You KNOW that the "rules" governing posting here have changed drastically since DU's inception; you KNOW that there are OPs that hit the top of the Greatest Page (and subsequently appear on the Home Page) that would have been removed and the poster banned in the days when DemocraticUnderground was actually a site for Democrats.

I have hundreds of friends on FaceBook who I "met" via DU in its early years - only a handful of them still post here. Most left during the "post any bullshit you want about Obama and the Democrats" phase - many more left as a result of getting "hides" from jurors who actually voted to hide posts with the comment "I never liked this poster, so I'm voting to hide whatever they say" phase.

I am fully cognizant of the fact that Democrats are the "big tent" party, and there will always be disagreements among the rank and file. But when certain posters - very prolific posters at that - have NEVER posted a single positive thing about ANY Democrat ever - well, if it walks like a RWer and talks like a RWer, it's probably a RWer - and pretending such posters are merely "disgruntled Dems" is either incredibly naive or downright dumb.

[bvar22]

141. I was here long before Nance.

According to your logic, that makes me even more of an expert,
and Nance belongs where she hangs out these days.

Things HAVE changed, and it was the intrusion of the "Centrists" (Center-Right),
the Party before Principle gang, and the "one Liners non-participants" that changed it.

[Bobbie Jo]

142. I wasn't talking to you, obviously.

The poster was presumputuous enough to advise Nance regarding her activity here.

Nance "belongs" here as much as you or anyone else. I didn't presume to tell the poster where he/she "belongs." There is a difference.

Didn't even bother with the rest of your post. Sorry...

[bvar22]

143. Sorry?

Yes you are.
This IS a "Discussion Board.
That means I can post a response to anyone....even you,
especially if you use invalid logic.

[Bobbie Jo]

144. My logic is fine

I expressed an opinion, just as you did.

And yes...

Sorry, I'm not the least bit intimidated by your superior attitude, but talking down to me to impress your friends is a non-starter.

Take it elsewhere...

[bvar22]

147. Jumping to conclusions again?

Why , Yes. You are.
I have never posted anything to "impress" anyone.

And you claim your "logic" is valid when you make claims that have no substance in reality,
or no way to support them.

That isn't "logic".
that is making Wild Guesses and writing out your fantasies,
and pretending that the fantasies are reality. They aren't.


Please support your claim that I:
talk "down to me (you) to impress your (my) friends.
In the real World, I could NOT care less about that.


What I post here are the results of 50 years of activism in the Democratic Party,
and 30 years of disappointment and anger as the "Centrist" Democratic Party abandoned the Working Class for Wall Street Billions.

bvar22
Mainstream/Center FDR Democrat
I won't be changing to accommodate the "New Democrats" or "Centrists"

[NanceGreggs]

83. I will post where I want, when I want ...

... and whatever I want.

Why don't you ask the posters who post nothing but anti-Democratic bullshit on this site why they "bother visiting" what still purports to be a site for Democrats?

[Andy823]

104. Exactly

I think the only reason they come here is to stir things up and divide the board. It certainly isn't to help elect democrats.

[City Lights]

58. Awwwww....poor Nance has a sad. nt

[Bobbie Jo]

64. Oh my

Just look at the swarm. You certainly seem to light them up.

Safety in numbers, I suppose...

Kick-ass post, btw. Spot on.

[Scootaloo]

82. And now you make stuff up and scream at people.

[NanceGreggs]

84. Scream at people?

Shouldn't that be directed to the ALL CAPS posters here who post NOTHING BUT ANTI-DEMOCRATIC SCREEDS, often lifted directly off RIGHT WING SITES!???!!!?!!!

I have been SCREAMED AT because I support Democrats on what still purports to be a Democratic-supporting site.

I've got some fuckin' nerve, eh?

[Scootaloo]

89. Like who? Who are all these right-wing troll posters?

[NanceGreggs]

101. You don't know who they are?

Here are some helpful hints in identifying them:

They have NEVER posted a single positive thing about Democrats – ever.

They post links to RW sources to make a point – a point which is invariably about how bad Democrats are.

They post links to RW articles that contain anti-Dem “facts” that have been debunked time and time again.

They “rec” every anti-Dem post they find on DU.

They flood every pro-Dem thread with anti-Dem rhetoric.

They post “change the subject” responses to anything positive about Democrats, e.g. an “Obama just did something good” OP is flooded with their “but what about all the other stuff he didn’t do” replies.

They can find the most obscure anti-Dem articles to post here, but have somehow never come across the many, many articles that prove the assertions of their anti-Dem articles to be false.

They post about how “both parties are the same”, and often point to the most vile Republicans as “having a legitimate point”.

They encourage Democrats NOT to vote if the Dem nominee is NOT their first choice, or to NOT vote for Democrats because they are no different than Republicans.

They post conspiracy theories about how Democrats are corrupt, “on the take”, and are “lining their pockets” with money from corporations and Wall Street – without ever offering a modicum of proof to support their claims.

They serve on juries where they vote to “hide” pro-Dem posts, while voting to “leave alone” the most vile anti-Dem posts.

They “rec” anti-Dem OPs without exception. They either absent themselves from pro-Dem threads, or flood them with vitriolic responses about how Democrats have done NOTHING to further liberal/progressive causes.

And of late, they post anti-HRC bullshit while posing as “Bernie supporters”, knowing that juries on a site that consists of 85% BS supporters are going to give them a pass for doing so.

As the old DU adage goes, if it quacks like a RW duck, and posts like a RW duck – chances are pretty good it actually IS a RW duck.

[bvar22]

146. That is going to be difficult to prove or support with anything meaningful o representative...

...considering the Bernie supporters for Hillary posted yesterday:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027276806

"They have NEVER posted a single positive thing about Democrats – ever. " ---Nance Greggs

Looks like you can scratch off most of the imaginary demons from your "list".
Of course, when the first Premise fails, the rest is not worth reading.


Your description and comments apply to, at most, 3 or 4 posters low count,
quickly handled by MIRT.

How many "Hillary Supporters for Bernie" threads have we had on DU?


Cheers!

[NanceGreggs]

148. I'm talking about DU as a whole ...

... and it's a situation that has existed since long before this primary season.

You'd BetterBelieveIt - only took 18,500 posts and 3 1/2 years for MIRT to "quickly handle" that poster.

I don't know why you jumped to the conclusion that this was strictly about BS supporters and HRC supporters.

And if you think there aren't RW trolls here, who have been here for years, you are being incredibly naive.

[bvar22]

156. You dodged the question.

How many "Hillary Supporters for Bernie" Threads have you had at the "other" site.

THAT would be very telling:

[font size=3]Bernie supporters for Hillary today[/font]
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027276806

....with 316 recs and over 140 replies.


The existence of this thread shoots down in flames your entire imaginary premise for posting this thread here.

Please show me a companion piece entitled "Hillary Supporters for Bernie posted on that "other" site where you are comfortable.

Thanks.
(Of course, I expect no reply since such a thread does NOT exist in Hillary World.

[NanceGreggs]

157. FFS ...

Again: I am talking about RW trolls on DU, many of whom have been here for years - long before this primary, and long before there was such a thing here as Bernie supporters and HRC supporters.

THAT'S who I am talking about, the RWers who have been posting negative bullshit - again for years - about Obama, elected Dems, and the Dem Party.

If you'll note, I had added: "And of late, they post anti-HRC bullshit while posing as “Bernie supporters”, knowing that juries on a site that consists of 85% BS supporters are going to give them a pass for doing so."

And yet again, if you think there aren't RWers here posing as BS supporters, you are being extremely naive. They know BS supporters are in the majority here, so it means they can "fit in" with the crowd while using their alleged BS support to post vile things about HRC. They also know that the vast majority of jurors are BS supporters who are much less likely to "hide" anti-HRC rhetoric, so they are free to be as insulting as they want to be.

The fact that BS isn't a member of the Dem Party gives these people extra leeway, in that they can insult the Party without including Bernie in their anti-Dem screeds.

I don't know what part of "RW trolls have been here for YEARS" you don't understand, and why you keep insisting it has something to do with BS supporters v HRC supporters.

At this point, it seems apparent that you are either unwilling or unable to address what I actually wrote, and are instead addressing what I DIDN'T write. Perhaps reading comprehension is the problem here. I really can't think of another explanation for why you think RW trolls being on DU for years has anything to do with a primary campaign that only started a few months ago.

[sheshe2]

111. I think Nance got ya there.

Oh yes she did.

[Hekate]

117. And that, my dears, is the truth. Nance is a Democrat to the ore. nt

[cui bono]

9. Vocabulary.

And doubling down.

[Hydra]

14. I'm glad I wasn't the first or last to think that

It's disheartening to see how many great DUers we've lost to purges and nonsense over the years...IMO though, our worst loses were to propaganda that was eventually accepted as truth. I hope that's not the fate in store for the rest of us.

[sabrina 1]

37. Some of us remained opposed to the same things we were opposed to back when Bush

was occupying the WH.

And we found out that not all of us were actually opposed to those things, just opposed to the other team. It has been an awakening, but a necessary one. We were iow, duped into thinking we were all on the same team. We weren't. Bush truly was a great uniter.

[Fearless]

40. Funny how friendly everyone gets when we're all in the same boat

And how quickly everyone goes for each other's throats the moment there's the slightest opportunity to push them overboard.

[sabrina 1]

43. Well, not everyone goes for other people's throats. Just those who never were friendly, just

opportunists. We are all older and wiser. Those of us who actually DID oppose Neocon/lib policies still do. We were, as I said, duped into thinking we all were. Most of us obviously remain opposed to those policies and to Corporate candidates. Those few who make a lot of noise here, don't like it when people are consistent. We were supposed to jump on board with them, forget about Iraq, Torture etc, and just 'move forward'.

Sorry, not going to happen. And THAT is why they are so very angry. I mostly ignore them.

[geek tragedy]

18. Bingo. nt

[SunSeeker]

48. LOL

[Scuba]

52. Maybe he's "dense as a brick and twice as thick."

Only a coward would go to another site and smear DU members like that.

[sheshe2]

122. You called people...

from another site cowards.

Wow. You are censoring their/our voice?We can speak nowhere else but here?

Are you fucking serious? You call us cowards/ That is beneath contempt.

Only a coward would go to another site and smear DU members like that.

Well, we could just stay here at DU and get those smears. Women, AA , BOG all smeared here. The President is a POS. He has been smeared here. Most disrespected President in my lifetime. Sure I could go to CC and read,why bother its all here. AA, their lives do not matter and their posts hidden. Women? Forget it we are treated like crap here. On a Democratic board we are nothing.

Do NOT preach to us Scuba. Your response is hypocritical.

[SidDithers]

53. DU rec for pissing off the right people...nt

Sid

[BeanMusical]

72. "See Manny try to change the subject in an attempt to get RECs."

So the only subject allowed on DU is Hillary vs the Benghazi clowns?

[Number23]

85. Is that what this is? I thought it was a spoof of a pissed off "liberal" that's been crapping on thi

president for the last 8 years.

Dusting off this old canard and pretending that "my policies are so MAINSTREAM that in the 80's I would have been CONSIDERED a moderate Republican" is the same as saying "I'm a moderate Republican, y'all!! Whoop! Whoop!!" is the mark of someone with truly nothing to say.

[NanceGreggs]

88. Oh, some people here ALWAYS have something to say ...

... and it's invariably something anti-Obama, anti-Dem - and now anti-HRC.

When bashing HRC becomes temporarily unpopular - as it was last night - some posters will simply revert to the old "yeah, so what about Obama?" rhetoric in order to stir up the same old shit they've been stirring up for years.

And it gets them a lot of recs here on DemocraticUnderground - which is, after all, their goal.

[Number23]

91. Absofreakinglutely

some posters will simply revert to the old "yeah, so what about Obama?" rhetoric in order to stir up the same old shit they've been stirring up for years.

Yep, yep and yep.

[sheshe2]

113. I am so f**king sick of the crap...

That has been hurled at this President on a Democratic board. I truly have to ask myself, is it because he is black? I love my President. I am so tired of the ridicule and disrespect.

Next up to bat is a woman. We all know women are less than a man, she would never do as President. Or so some say.l

Makes me sad #23.

[sheshe2]

109. +1000. You nailed it.

[sheshe2]

114. You nailed it,

We were sorely lacking in another Obama sucks post. Manny did not disappoint. We don't get enough of those on Democratic Underground. Skinner built this site to bash Dems....oh wait. No he built this place to support Dems.

We have lost our way.

To my knowledge, I have never seen a positive post about this President or any other Dem from him. Yup Warren, he used her.

[NanceGreggs]

115. "To my knowledge, I have never seen a positive post ...

... about this President or any other Dem from him."

I haven't either. But I'm sure there's no "there" there.

[sheshe2]

116. Ha!

Yup!

[Hekate]

121. +2,000

[geek tragedy]

16. Trying to blame Obama for Bush's policies is a trollish thing to do.

Incomes dropped during the early part of Obama's presidency due to the financial crisis that began under Bush.

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/MEHOINUSA672N

But, some people thrive on stirring shit and drawing attention to themselves, so they play the old "nothing is Bush's fault game" if it allows them to score cheap points against real Democrats.

[Bernblu]

25. The TPP is going to hurt us some more.

Sorry, but that one is on Obama.

[geek tragedy]

27. That's speculation. nt

[Fearless]

41. It is fact

NAFTA did not help. It HURT this country's middle class. TPP will make it much much worse. Where do you think companies will make things now? The place where they have to pay employees good wages or the place where they might as well be slaves? And then where exactly do the rest of us find money to spend on this slave labor crap?

[geek tragedy]

60. generalized statements about the future are not 'fact' they are opinion and speculation

The earth is in orbit around the sun--that's a fact.

[Fearless]

62. You really won't get it until we're all in poverty will you?

Excuse me while the rest of us go stop it from happening.

[geek tragedy]

63. you are entitled to your dramatic opinion nt

[Fearless]

99. Seriously? When you feel like helping the average American

Then we'll talk, until then....

[1StrongBlackMan]

79. Shhh ... "fact" has a very different meaning, when applied to political speculation. n/t

[sabrina 1]

44. When Bush tried to push this back in 2007, or have you forgotten, where did you stand then?

I remember it well. We were OUTRAGED, secret deals, how dare he, and Dems stopped him then. What changed? I haven't, how about you? And why is NOW 'just speculation'. We were so sure then, pretty much all of us, including our Representatives. Enough that they stopped it with some great speeches on the floor airc.

Maybe it's time to take a trip back down memory lane and post some of those speeches AGAINST it. Yes, I think it is.

[MannyGoldstein]

136. It's speculation that the sun will rise tomorrow morning, too. nt

[geek tragedy]

137. The sun won't rise tomorrow.

The earth will rotate such that its surface will be exposed to the sun at a given location approximately every 24 hours.

[sabrina 1]

39. Some people just care about people and are not going to be deterred from telling the truth

to protect one politician or another.

Here in NY eg, we are experiencing voter suppression NOT by Repubs but by our own Party. DWS needs to go, Obama could arrange that, why doesn't he?

[YoungDemCA]

67. Yeah, the OP is using a common Republican talking point against Obama

I thought DU was above that. I guess not.

[liberal_at_heart]

17. Ouch! Good one Manny.

[rhett o rick]

19. And when HRC was asked what she would do about the growing wealth inequality she said

make the economy grow. In the last 30 years, the economy has been growing, but for the 1% and not for the 99%. Her concern is for the 1%. Goldman-Sachs would be so proud.

[CreekDog]

34. post the quote

your interpretation of is based more on imagination than what she actually said.

[rhett o rick]

55. If you don't agree or understand then you post the quote. It's a tactic to take pot shots

at others interpretations of HRC's "stands" on issues, but rarely ever actually provide an argument.

[CreekDog]

73. You didn't post the quote, is that because she didn't say what you're suggesting she said?

well no wonder then.

[rhett o rick]

94. In other words you have nothing but ad hominem comments about me. Are you ashamed

of her stands on issues?

[zappaman]

153. I guess it's more fun to make up quotes.

How...progressive.

[Bernblu]

24. The middle class is being hollowed out

The median income per job is less than $30,000 and going down. With TPP it will continue to go down. You can defend Obama all you want but these are the facts!

[CreekDog]

32. your timing is not impeccable

slow news day for you eh?

[BainsBane]

47. Some days the news just doesn't go according to plan

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[CreekDog]

50. lol good reaction to Manny

[MineralMan]

59. Oh, my...nicely done...

I'm just brushing it off..

[randome]

56. "Bad" news day. Clinton looked good.

That is not to be tolerated by certain self-appointed finger-waggers.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[bravenak]

42. HE NEVER VOTED FOR REAGAN!!!!!!

Sad that some would rather see Barack Obama's election results overturned than Reagan, WHO THEY VOTED FOR!!!!!

[1StrongBlackMan]

80. Damn you Woman! ...

Now, we're going to get subjected to, "I didn't say that ... Prove I did!"

[bravenak]

87. Sorry.

[MannyGoldstein]

95. Who didn't say what? nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

96. I don't know who didn't say what. N/T

[MannyGoldstein]

98. Okay. N/T

[Number23]

86. You just got a...

People who VOTED for Reagan trying to pretend that Obama saying "my policies are so mainstream that in the 80s I would have been CONSIDERED a moderate Republican" is the same as saying "I AM a moderate Republican" is almost too much hypocrisy to take.

And yet they keep doing it. Over and over and over again...

[bravenak]

90. This stuff is entertaining!!!

I notice a bunch of people trying to educate on what third way means today. Wait until they find out it means both kinda what they think AND that I can change the game any damn time I want and they will discuss it to death, bringing my interpretations that much more attention.
Would they stop if they knew it woukd die a quick death if they ignored me? No! Of course not!! I'm kinda uppity.

[Number23]

92. I know you'd love all of this endless attention and devotion to discussing your every utterance

if only it came from a more informed and interesting crowd.

[BainsBane]

46. Today was a day in which all Democrats on DU joined together in solidarity

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around our former Secretary of State who served our President. It was great to see people remember that we still share some common goals, while the GOP has a completely different and all too destructive agenda.

[Art_from_Ark]

49. She "severed" our President?

Holy skewering, Batman!

[Rex]

57. He should have never insulted himself by saying he would be a moderate republican in the 80s.

Not even.

[YoungDemCA]

68. How was the economy doing in January 2009, Manny?

[hifiguy]

93. Gads, Manny I wish I could meet you IRL

just so I could buy you a drink. Or six.

[bettyellen]

152. I wish I could watch that, LOL.

[bvar22]

97. "3rd Way Progressive"?

No such thing exists in the real World.
It is a myth.
Persistent and Ubiquitous, but still a myth.
None have ever been sighted.
None have EVER existed.
"3rd Way Progressive" is a misnomer, and a scam, like Big Foot.

If you ever see one in the wild, please document it, and send me the photo.

[merrily]

100. What do political terms even mean anymore?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/127710158

[beam me up scottie]

112. Have you seen this?:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251717796

[merrily]

132. Yes. I was the one who alerted.

j/k

[beam me up scottie]

133. I KNEW IT!!!

[merrily]

134. Who could ever hope to fool you?

[shenmue]

103. In the DU alternate universe, Democrats are bad

Only people who accuse black presidents of being racist are cool.

[MannyGoldstein]

106. Third-Way "Democrats" are certainly bad

Am I criticizing Democracy when I criticize the Democratic People's Republic of Korea?

[bettyellen]

151. Answering w/ questions again.....Are you putting a Cosmo quiz together?

[kelliekat44]

105. Yep. Obama allowed all that to happen. There was nothing standing in his way....

[joshcryer]

123. Would you have considered Mark Udall, before he lost his seat, progressive?

[Adrahil]

154. I'm proud of what PBO has done...

in the face of relentless ReThuglican opposition and obstruction.

This OP sucks.

[madinmaryland]

155. Wait, what? You found yourself??

Third-way Manny??