Hillary Was Handed the Presidency...On a Silver Trey

[kpete]

Hillary was handed the Presidency...on a silver trey:
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[Fred Sanders]

1. Nothing has been handed to Hillary Clinton. She earned her creds through 40 years of dedicated

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service to America - shockingly she has not been perfect while living in a glass house - but not because of the debate or the 11 hour marathon....those are a small, recent part of this formidable woman....to say Clinton now has a "lock" on the WH because of recent events or because of one Congressional appearance does her a disservice and amnesia a service.

Surely she is formidable enough to take nothing for granted, and a year before Election Day might as well be measured in light-years.

[Cleita]

3. LOL! No one has been handed anything yet. eom

[Orrex]

8. Not true at all.

Sanders has already been handed a get-out-of-loss free card, in at least two ways:

1. If he loses the primary, his acolytes will declare that the election was fixed, decided in advance by Wall Street and special interests. They're already doing this, in fact, as a preemptive measure to take the sting out of the loss.

2. If he loses the primary, his acolytes will declare that he actually won, because he steered the discussion in this direction or that. They're already doing this, in fact, as a preemptive measure to take the sting out of the loss.

So Sanders has indeed been handed the golden ticket to insulate him and--by extension, his followers--against any responsibility for failure to win the primary. Must be nice.

[Cal33]

42. The Democratic Primaries will begin with Iowa on Feb. 1, 2016, and end with DC on June 14, 2016.

That's a lot of time -- especially for a fighter like Bernie Sanders. And who can really foretell what
unexpected events might happen between now and then?

Above all, Bernie is a smart and adept fighter. He just doesn't give up.

[Orrex]

45. Well, I'll tell you this much...

Like Sanders, I will vote for the Democratic nominee, because I recognize that keeping the Republicans out of the Whitehouse is more important than grandstanding.

Yes, the Primaries are a long way off. But what will Sanders' supporters do if he doesn't win? Will they acknowledge the real danger of a Republican win in 2016, or will they sit on their hands solely for the pleasure of saying "I told you so" when we wind up with a 7-2 hard-right SCOTUS?

[Cal33]

49. Like you, I would vote for Clinton should she win the Democratic nomination. There

are some hard-hats, I suppose, but I think the vast majority of us Sanders supporters
would not want to see a Republican win in 2016. This time it would mean the end of
democracy in our country. Few would want that, even when they may sound that
way. It would be cutting off one's nose to spite one's face!

[sulphurdunn]

6. She provided dedicated service

to GW Bush with her formidable Iraq War vote, for which we continue to pay. She certainly takes nothing for granted.

[Orrex]

9. Yeah, yeah. But Sanders will still vote for her if he loses. Will you?

That's not a loyalty oath, no matter how eagerly it is claimed to be so; it's a simple question of pragmatism. Sanders sees the big picture much more clearly, it seems, than do some of his supporters.

[blackspade]

14. You're getting into "when did you stop beating your wife" territory....

Why go down that road?

[Orrex]

25. How so?

It is indeed a simple matter of pragmatism, and more than a few here have declared that they won't vote for Clinton if Sanders loses the primary. In effect, they're asserting their view that the candidate must be Sanders, or else they'd prefer a Republican in the Whitehouse.

It's entirely reasonable to ask why Sanders supporters will maintain a dubiously principled stance that Sanders himself won't take. The endlessly parroted sentiment that "Hillary's just as bad as Republicans" is a naive Naderesque fiction that was foolish 15 years ago and will still be foolish a year from now. Why go down that road?

[Wounded Bear]

17. You're mixing your metaphors...

A year is time. A light year measures distance.

[Fred Sanders]

20. Mixing metaphors is also a thing you can do with words on purpose.....but thanks for the pointer!

[Gore1FL]

22. You can, but you shouldn't. n/t

[Hoppy]

2. Change "America" in your second sentence to "Wall Street" and you got a home run.

[Cleita]

4. +10

[Locrian]

5. +11

[PosterChild]

7. Wall street is a significant and important American asset . ...

.... we would all be worse off, much worse off, without our wotld class financial institutions .

[librechik]

10. true enough--can we get them to run it responsibly as a public trust instead of a casino?

we need to solve that problem before I will be proud of Wall Street. To me they are just ignorant wastrels.

[PosterChild]

29. True enough....

..... and no one, including of course Hillary, advocates an unregulated financial system. Nor does one exist.

As far as casinos go, all finance involves uncertainty, risk and speculation. That is inherent. One of the functions of financial transactions is to transfer speculative risk from those who are less able or less willing to bear it to those who are. Another is to average risk (socialize it) over many individuals or transactions to diminish it's impact in any particular case.

So financial transactions and institutions will always have the sense of a casino since risk management is part of their utility.

[librechik]

30. put a tax on transactions. That will at least make them pay attention--and their share, presumably

[PosterChild]

34. That's one idea....

... and it may come to pass. It may be a difficult sell, however , since mutual funds and pension funds rely on frequent transactions and that would put a burden on savers and retirement funds . I think ending the carried interest loophole would be a good idea .

[Hoppy]

36. I doubt that mutual funds and pension funds have many transactions over the course of a year.

There are transactions on a monthly basis as new money comes in. Beyond that, not so much.

Hedge funds are different.

A solution would be to institute a transaction tax after, say 20 transactions per year.

[PosterChild]

41. My expectation is...

... that it would be more burdensome than that, but I haven't looked into the actual numbers. If you have any statistics I would appreciate it if you would share.

One area that would definitely be affected would be high frequency automatic trading . On the theory that this is deleterious to the general welfare, a transaction tax would help to inhibit it.

[Hoppy]

43. I haven't invested in mutual funds in a while. I recall the list of investments and they didn't

change much from month to month.

[blackspade]

16. That's one interesting way to spin it.

It's definitely an asset to the 1%. The rest of us? Not so much.

[PosterChild]

32. Not true at all..

.... as i said, our financial institutions are a national asset that greatly benifit all of us. Without them we would not be a modern, productive, industrial nation. The reason that wall street exerts great influence in our society is that it is fundamental benefit to the wealth and wdll being of our nation. It's basically that simple.

[blackspade]

35. You keep telling yourself that while they rob us blind.

Wall St is the manifestation of capitalism run amok devouring the hopes and dreams of the average person to benefit the rich and powerful.
It is a system that is broken beyond repair.

[PosterChild]

39. I think your being a bit...

...hyperbolic and maybe a bit histrionic. IMHO. Our financial institutions generally serve the general welfare and we would be a lot poorer and less well off without them .

[hifiguy]

47. They've stolen trillions of dollars.

I repeat, TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Read Nomi Prins' "It Takes A Pillage" for the full background and mind-boggling dimensions of their theivery. And it is still going on every day.

It's a little difficult to remain blase about that kind of criminality.

[PosterChild]

52. If by "theivery" you mean...

....actual theft, and by "criminality" you mean actual crimes, then you aren't correct. They haven't stolen anything .

[treestar]

37. Yes it is odd how the words "Wall Street"

are expected to create automatic agreement. The average voter will not respond to this at all. They don't hate "Wall Street." They think it's a financial center. It's like we are expected to believe there is something inherently wrong with banking, and that no one is employed by Wall Street or any of its investors, and everyone wants to smash their livelihoods and jobs out of hatred of finance.

[PosterChild]

40. Thanks for taking a level headed approach eom

[Lizzie Poppet]

38. Unfortunately, we're no longer "significant and important" to Wall Street.

We're fungible assets...

[hifiguy]

46. Eeyup.

[BuelahWitch]

11. One of the residents of my nursing home said this morning he'd vote for her

based on what happened at these hearings. She impressed a lot of people who don't normally follow politics.

[MH1]

12. Reccing this for bashing of the pointy headed moron, but it belongs in GDP.

(but you probably know that)

[Evergreen Emerald]

33. Chuckle: "pointed headed moron!"

That made me laugh.

[JoePhilly]

44. Trey is not happy with how you are describing him ...

[Johnny2X2X]

13. Canoaign ad

This was an 11 hour freed campaign ad for Clinton. She was in complete control of the facts and was calm and cool while still showing passion. She was presidential.

[hifiguy]

48. That she was, and she handed them their heads.

But I still do not trust her on the central issues of economic justice and war/peace. Not one bit further than I can throw the Sphinx. She remains a wholly-owned subsidiary of the plutocracy and the MIIC.

[Beowulf42]

15. Dealing with people smarter than you

Mr. Gowdy, just a word of advice. The more you deal with wickedly smart people the more it's going to sting. I double dog dare you to invite her back.

[CTyankee]

50. Gowdy won't recuperate very soon from the drubbing she gave him and the other repubs...

he's upped his dose of xanax even as we speak, the dumb shit...

[DrBulldog]

18. It doesn't matter

If Hillary gets the nomination, she will likely become a President who sits in her office for four years twiddling her thumbs and doing nothing because both houses of Congress will remain firmly Republican thanks again to a very low voter turnout.

And an unfazed and humble Bernie will happily go back to continue busting his ass in the Senate for the middle class and the poor just as he has done for the past 50 years.

And some day historians will write about the time in 2016 the American people blew it . . .

[Geronimoe]

19. Winning the fake persona election

The past two weeks, Hillary is winning with a friendlier persona. However notice that both corporate owned and run Parties are not talking about real issues.

The Oligarchs have been able to get what they want because the voters are so stupid to vote against their own best interests. As Brits asked when Bush was elected the 2nd time, how can Americans be so stupid.

[Thor_MN]

21. I heard that she is going to have to fit in some extra workouts over the next week...

Since she ate all their lunches on Thursday.

[Tarheel_Dem]

23. Trust me. They don't want her back.

[marmar]

24. I think she's likely to become president over a Repug opponent regardless, but.....

..... I think people are WAY overestimating how much attention span-challenged America will remember Benghazigate a year from now. Only what's in the news then will matter.

[dembotoz]

26. hey bernie folks give her what is due...she did an excellent job in the hearing

allow the moment in the sun.

this turned out well for hrc

it is a long campaign...be gracious
Bernie will have his moments as will Martin.

[groundloop]

27. No.... she was handed a temporary bump in polling numbers.

Events such as this will be forgotten in a weeks time. We'll still be talking about it, but most Americans will have long forgotten.

[restorefreedom]

28. she was handed a pretty good week

looooong way to go in this primary season

[George II]

31. I love all these positive OPs about a Democratic candidate for President

[CTyankee]

51. It's called giving credit where credit is due, isn't it?

[Doctor_J]

53. after yesterday's performance, I am convinced she will fight wall street, slash the Pentagon

budget, expand social security, come out for public schools instead of for profits, and fight for universal healthcare without any blood sucking middlemen between Americans and their doctors.

[Bernblu]

54. She was handed nothing

The people still have to vote.