Walker Barrett debate over now ...Walker's talking points getting stale

[Ellipsis]

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Wisconsin-Governors-Recall-Election-Debate/10737430973-1/

He's starting to lose it.

[tabatha]

1. Thanks. Any more comments.

I do not have the stomach to watch.

[senseandsensibility]

2. I'm with you.

Would like some more comments.

[Ellipsis]

3. Can't blaim you

He articulation is wacked.

Barret keeps pounding on the secret emails.


Credit where credits due... Walkers is a supreme weasel.

[freshwest]

36. Thanks, as I said on another thread, I can't watch Mini-Adolf either.

[murielm99]

56. Badgers can beat up weasels any day. n/t

[malaise]

4. Thanks for the reminder

Tom Barrett is holding his own very well

Divide and rule!! Haaaaaa!

Go Dems!

[Greybnk48]

5. I can't watch either. I'm a coward.

Comments please.

[Ellipsis]

10. I'm the worst person to post play by play... something Retrolounge did so well in the day.

[RetroLounge]

53. I couldn't watch it either...

RL

[hrmjustin]

28. Barret was strong so no worries there.n/t

[rocktivity]

43. You're welcome.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125140440


rocktivity

[Ellipsis]

6. "Divide and conquer" Barrett keps hitting Divide and conquer...

The comment Walker used with the CEO of ABC supply who has gave 500,000 to Walkers campaign when she asked him about making Wisconsin a right to work state and collective bargaining.

[malaise]

7. Walker just said that if you're 20 years old you should try and get insurance

under your parents.

Wow! He supports Obamacare

[hue]

8. Walker keeps repeating the same lines/lies.

The disparity in FACTS is crazy!! The content of Walker's responses is undecipherable. MG I can't stand Walker!!!

I think Barrett looks really good/professional/articulate in this debate.

[Ellipsis]

12. Agreed.

[Ellipsis]

9. The debaters get to ask one direct question to their opponents... coming up

[malaise]

11. Barrett has done a great job here

Watch the polls tomorrow

[Greybnk48]

16. I hope Barrett asks about John Doe.

See what Walker says to that.

[Ellipsis]

13. Walker bags out on asking a question.

[malaise]

15. Barrett nails him again about the emails

etc Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahah
Disclose your out of state travel, your fundraising, etc.

[Ellipsis]

14. Barrett by-passes the John Doe question.

[Greybnk48]

20. Shoot. Sounds like he did just fine though.

[Ellipsis]

17. Barrett asks will Walker disclose his itenary/schedule on out of state fundrasing

[Ellipsis]

18. Walker's response DUhhhhhhh! No Answer.

[senseandsensibility]

19. Didn't hear an answer

LOL

[Ellipsis]

21. I thought you couldn't watch.

[Greybnk48]

24. Thanks for the info Ellipsis and everyone.

[senseandsensibility]

27. I summoned the courage

and it wasn't too bad. I thought the Dem did really well. He was good on Ed last night, but I wasn't sure about a debate format. However, Walker was really weak in the segments I saw. How did you see it?

[Ellipsis]

39. Obviously I'm biased but.

Walker lost the debate . The John Doe issue is closer to surface. Barrett successfully tied Barrett to the woes of Milwaukee and in fact was able to articulate that Walker was the reason why some seniors are in the situation they are in.

To me... the pertinent point Barrett brought to the table was that walker added another 500,000,000n to our debt to give the appearance of a balanced budget for the sake of politics. If people get that... it's the final nail in Walkers coffin.

He broached the out of state funding question and I think next week you'll see more attacks on this.



Turn out win's the race for ... in the interim I hope the people who have Walker signs out start to pull them as more info comes out in the next week of which I'm sure it will given the short memory of the average voter.

I have been cautiously optimistic... a tad more so now... but we need that other shoe to drop now.

[BeyondGeography]

22. Barrett's claiming the center very effectively

C'mon Badgers, rid yourself of Koch Boy.

[rwheeler31]

23. Good debate Barrett won.

[Ellipsis]

25. End of Debate Barrett Wins on Content Walker wins on saying nothing.

[Broderick]

26. So not impressed with either

I feel sorry for Wisconsin.

[Ellipsis]

29. Barrett is way too soft for me... One more debate to go

He's a good man. Lets hope he "grows some" before the next debate.

Don't feel sorry for Wisconsin it's beautiful here. UP too.

[Broderick]

31. You know, you put it in a context that I can appreciate

I feel like I was listening to Harry Reid being nice. Soft spoken. No energy. I am sure he has plenty of fight and energy and he made some really good points, but it's like the humble uncle that doesn't want to upset the folks. Almost like "ho hum".

Oh well. He didn't hurt himself in the least I will say.

[Ellipsis]

34. His handlers are playing a tactical game.

They released the commercial for the John Doe emails on Wed. and planted a seed, Brought it up in this debate .... Barrett was articulate... Walker stuck to the script.... undecideds here , the independents want to here facts, they got some from Barrett.

The election got closer to victory tonight for dems...


Finished with out of state money donations... they'll have more on that I'd bet.

[Broderick]

37. Let's hope so

I am just blah right now on the debate. I see your points on strategy.

[Samantha]

54. I saw him interviewed on the Ed Show last evening and thought it had made an extremely good move

in countering Walker's ad about his being likely to change the gun laws (actually I think the NRA put the ad out, trying to convince people to vote for Walker). He said the ad was false, and that his complaint centered around Walker engaging a sportsman from Texas of all places to take charge of hunting on public lands in Wisconsin. He, knowing how important hunting was to many people in Wisconsin, strenuously objected to a guy out of Texas taking charge and perhaps turning it into one of those processes where only the wealthy would be given hunting permits to these public lands.

I am not an NRA fan by any means, or a hunter!, but I thought strategically speaking that was a great rebuttal to the NRA ad, one that would influence voters on both sides of the aisle.

I am so hoping Walker goes down, but I too could not stomach watching the debate this evening. That guy is an anathema to me.

Sam

[Auntie Bush]

40. Are all the trees the same height?

[Ellipsis]

51. They are.

Tree farms are everywhere but not on this back forty. Mainly Older oak, and Maple with Ash, Basswood, Cottonwood, Jack Pine, Red Pine Birch and Cherry.... Oh yes and occasional "Box elder weed".

[eppur_se_muova]

63. Tree farms ! No wonder Rmoney was admiring them !

Those trees are growing for **profit** !!

[Auntie Bush]

68. Romney looks down on everything that doesn't generate millions in profits. God will have

a hard time deciding whether to send him to heaven for all his charity or to HELL for all his greed and ruination of so many lives.

If I were God I'd have no problem with a decision. I'd send him directly to HELL for all the pain and suffering he caused due to his greed for more and more money. He wouldn't appreciate all the money he donated to charity promoting Joseph Smith instead of Jesus. I'll bet most the millions he donated to the Morman church was/ is used to promote Mormanism rather than giving a leg up to the poor. God knows in his heart he looks down on the poor and has no regard for them. I tell you...the man's going to hell someday. Maybe the devil will take his money and use it to create more vulture capitalists.

[Lifelong Protester]

33. Remember, Barrett had to appeal to a LOT of centrists, too

the fire breathers are already on board, it's the moderates who need convincing. I think his low-key approach works. And being mayor of Milwaukee ain't a walk in the park, either, so I think he's got some backbone.

[Broderick]

38. I hope so. I like firebranding sometimes

And this whole thing in Wisconsin seems to feed on that type of energy.

Maybe I am wrong, but the energy level has seemingly dropped off immensely. I think Barrett could have done himself well stoking that energy a bit. Turn over the coals so to speak. I honestly don't believe it is in his persona though. Seems confident and comfortable.

[Lifelong Protester]

30. Just got home (at HS Graduation), Hubby says Barrett did well

Walker started to talk about how he raised the amount of money used in Badgercare (our Medicaid in WI) and I supplied my hubby with the facts, that Walker only did it AFTER the feds told him he had to, that the money could not be diverted. As soon as I spouted the facts, so did Barrett. Barrett talked about being the leader of the ENTIRE state, that he knows how to bring folks together, and a lot of healing has to be done here, and he is the man to do it. He talked about how he (Barrett) was not the unions' first choice (he wasn't) but he would honor those unions.

Walker tried a lot of lies on the mining thing, too. Then I spoke up (I talk or yell at the TV a lot) about how it was the Republicans who abandoned the mining bill first.... then of course Barrett said the same thing.

So for the 15-20 minutes I heard or saw, I thought it went well, and of course, think Wanker looks and sounds like a weasel. No matter what he is saying.

[hrmjustin]

32. He right, Barret creamed him.

he had that stupid look on his face.

[Poiuyt]

41. He ALWAYS has that stupid look on his face

[Ellipsis]

45. yahhh

[SunSeeker]

48. He brings such shame to the mullet. nt

[RBInMaine]

50. Hey, nice pic of a megaASSHOLE. What a smarmy slimebag.

[lastlib]

46. that last comment was highly offensive to members of the Mustelidae family!

Weasels are noble beasts compared to Herr Walker. Coudln't you compare him to jellyfish or sea-slugs or something?

[Ellipsis]

47. Weasley or prevaricater would have been a better choice... as in the verb

Prevaricate - to speak falsely or misleadingly; deliberately misstate or create an incorrect impression; lie.


I would never disparage a weasel, mink, or fisher by comparing it to Walker, of which minks and Fisher, I've seen on the back forty here.

[MzWishIz]

57. Medicaid funding increased in budget

"Walker started to talk about how he raised the amount of money used in Badgercare (our Medicaid in WI) and I supplied my hubby with the facts, that Walker only did it AFTER the feds told him he had to, that the money could not be diverted."

You've got the Medicaid/Badgercare funding (added 1.2 billion when budget was passed) mixed up with the family care cap.

[tabatha]

35. Thanks for the thread.

Hopefully, Barrett will get rid of that lying, cheating, crook, Walker.

[rocktivity]

42. Stale?

It's more like they're mummified.

I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when Walker made that reference to having been an Eagle Scout.


rocktivity

[Ellipsis]

44. you pick

banal, cliché , cobwebby, commonplace, hack, hackney, hackneyed, moth-eaten, musty, obligatory, shopworn, stereotyped, threadbare, timeworn, tired, trite, well-worn.


"Away, you cut-purse rascal! you filthy bung, away! By this wine, I'll thrust my knife in your mouldy chaps, an you play the saucy cuttle with me. Away, you bottle-ale rascal! you basket-hilt stale juggler, you!"

Better?

[RBInMaine]

49. Walker is such a fucking LIAR. Just saw the debate replay.

What a rotten lying horrid scumbag this guy Walker is, and I think Barrett did a good job hammering the themes of Walker going out of state, being a corporate big money toadie, out to divide and conquer, etc. Walker, that ratscumbag, kept LYING about his FAKE jobs numbers and LYING about the corporate millions he has raised and LYING about being a corporate TeaAsshole "Rock Star" with all his out of state trips. He is a corrupt LIAR corporate toadie fucking scumbag, and ANY Wisconsinite who would vote for this ratbag deserves the shitburgers that he serves up.

[lastlib]

52. Tell us how you REALLY feel.......!

(Not that I disagree with a word...I think you pretty well nailed it!)

[RBInMaine]

66. Ya, he is just such a smarmy lying scumbag. Can't help but hammer on him hard.

[MzWishIz]

59. The numbers...

I'll just comment about the jobs numbers.

They are reported to the IRS (on Employer's required quarterly 941 reports) and the Wisconsin Dept. of Workforce Development (Quarterly tax and wage reports).

The 941 reports require, in addition to the payroll numbers, an exact number of employees who worked during the quarter.

The WI DWD reports require the names of the employees, their wages, and a specific number of employees who worked during EACH MONTH of the quarter.

These reports were the source for Reggie Newson's (WI DWD Secretary) released figures that Walker is using. Though not 'verified' by the US BLS to date - they are ACTUAL numbers from reports required by nearly all Wisconsin Employers who meet a payroll and/or are subject to Unemployment Insurance laws.

You may not like the numbers, but they're real, and they're likely 99.99% accurate.

[Woody Woodpecker]

55. Where is the DU's debate thread?

I want to see it..

[Firebrand Gary]

58. Barrett fuc*ed his shit up! Next debate, Barrett needs to go even harder at him!

Please, people, open your bill folds and purses and donate to Barrett. After that, drive to Wisconsin and knock on doors. Phone bank, we have got to get this POS out of office!

[pacalo]

60. I saw half of the debate & from what I saw, Barrett was the winner

from the rational point of view.

Walker's shifty expression between 20:56 - 21:07 pretty much capsulizes the attitude & ineptness (as leader of the gang who couldn't shoot straight) we've come to know.

Eighty-five percent of Barrett's contributions have come from Wisconsinites; 60-70% of Walker's contributions have come from out of state.

The question regarding the John Doe investigation begins at 25:17.

Walker boasted about having "high integrity" since being an eagle scout. He served with "high integrity" in state assembly, as account executive; now as governor, he will "continue to have high integrity".

Walker claimed this investigation started because his office asked for it two years ago. "We had concerns about someone who was involved with a veterans-related program & we asked the DA to look into it. That's why we're involved & why we continue to cooperate; we haven't been the target of this." (The arrests of his key aides were just coincidental. )

Barrett pointed out that Walker is the only governor in this country who has a criminal defense fund. He has spent $100,000 on criminal defense lawyers, one on federal & one on state charges.

Walker's top aides had a network in his office where there was a secret computer system that did fund raising & campaigning. When Walker found out, did he order an investigation? No, he sent an e-mail to them stating that "we can't afford to have any more stories."

Walker's concerns were about public relations, not about criminal investigations.

Barrett asked for two things. He asked for Walker to clear the record, to show everyone the e-mails that he sent to "that criminal enterprise, if you will, that secret system in his office".

Barrett also asked, who is paying for Walker's criminal defenses? The people in the state have a right to know who is paying for his criminal defenses.

[Lifelong Protester]

61. bulls-eye!

good report.

[pacalo]

62. Thanks, Lifelong Pro!

Barrett slam dunked Walker.

[pacalo]

64. I watched the last half. Outside the Twilight Zone, where up really is "up" & vice versa,

Barrett would win this election by way over half the state's vote. I'm sure of that after seeing this. Again, I'm talking about a world of integrity without billionnaires & special interests buying an election for power.

I just had to point out something I thought interesting at the end of the debate. In answer to the question, what would you do to bring unity back to the state, Walker said that you Wisconsinites should "just get past it & move on past the election"...

Btw, doesn't he seem overly smug & secure about his situation?

[lib2DaBone]

65. Walker has that same stupid smirk as Bush Jr.

Talks out of both sides of his mouth...

His canned platitudes and slimy demeanor make him hard to watch.

[RBInMaine]

67. Walker & Fitzgerald using exact same LIES (talking points) in their debates.

I also saw the Fitzgerald debate (he's the RePUKE senate leader facing recall) and these two rat bastards are obviously being coached by the same right wing corporate-paid slimeballs. They BOTH kept talking about how "We need to move on from these recalls" and "Move forward". They both LIED about the condition of the state since Walker and the Pukes came in. They BOTH refused to acknowledge the "divide and conquer" strategy that they both used. Just pretended it didn't exist when confronted with it. I will hand this much to the ReSCUMlicans. They do have MESSAGE DISCIPLINE. However, this time the Dems do too, and in both of these debates the Dems HIT HARD at THEIR themes too and took the fight to the RePUKES. You can not play nicey nice with RePUKES and you can't just talk programs and statistics. You have to talk VALUES and you have to use EMOTION and you to ATTACK THEM HARD and talk from the gut.