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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Sat May 26, 2012, 07:23 AM May 2012

Obit. from The Times Feb. 7th '12

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend,Common Sense, who has been with us for many years.
No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.
He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:

- Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
- Why the early bird gets the worm;
- Life isn't always fair;
- And maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and
reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations
were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate;
teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for
reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they
themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined even further when schools were required to

get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student;
but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches and Bhora laders became businesses;
and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your
own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a
steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, launched a lawsuit and
was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death,
-by his parents, Truth and Trust,
-by his wife, Discretion,
-by his daughter, Responsibility,
-and by his son, Reason.

He is survived by his 5 stepbrothers;
- I Know My Rights
- I Want It Now
- Someone Else Is To Blame
- I'm A Victim
- Pay me for Doing Nothing

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

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Obit. from The Times Feb. 7th '12 (Original Post) dipsydoodle May 2012 OP
He is survived by Right Wing Tripe who sent his condolences in a viral email... rfranklin May 2012 #1
+1 Scuba May 2012 #2
this lie bothers me every time I read it magical thyme May 2012 #3
+1000 deutsey May 2012 #6
yup - google mcdonald's coffee "unfit for human consumption" bananas May 2012 #7
I've actually seen pictures of some of these coffee burns Greybnk48 May 2012 #8
Apparently HBO did a documentary last year bananas May 2012 #10
Thanks for the info. Greybnk48 May 2012 #11
here are the horrible details...worse than I remembered magical thyme May 2012 #12
All I read was HughBeaumont May 2012 #4
Nailed it! pinboy3niner May 2012 #5
LOL! +100 n/t Greybnk48 May 2012 #9
 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
1. He is survived by Right Wing Tripe who sent his condolences in a viral email...
Sat May 26, 2012, 07:29 AM
May 2012

and many in Limbaugh Land believe that he still lives but only in they can see him.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
3. this lie bothers me every time I read it
Sat May 26, 2012, 08:05 AM
May 2012

"Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a
steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, launched a lawsuit and
was promptly awarded a huge settlement. "



Because I heard an interview with the elderly woman's son, and their version of what happened,which explains why they won the law suit.

The coffee was so hot that a little spilled on her lap soaked through her pants and gave her 3rd degree burns on her leg. Third degree burns. Not red and sore. Not blistered for a couple days before healing.

Third degree burns mean the skin is destroyed. Not red and sore, not blistered, but totally destroyed. That means debriding the destroyed tissue and subsequent skin grafts through multiple surgeries to repair the damage, made all the harder to do because of her age and more delicate skin. Healing is much slower and the risk of infection high.

All of this is excrutiatingly painful, extremely costly, and was totally unnecessary because coffee should not be made so hot that it will cause 3rd degree burns.

Third degree burns should not result from spilling coffee. Especially in a public place, anybody could end up getting coffee or hot water spilled on them, either through their own mistake or by a total stranger.

I suggest the writer of the common sense thingie spend some time on a burn ward and get a sense of what 3rd degree burns mean.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
6. +1000
Sat May 26, 2012, 08:28 AM
May 2012

I wish people knew the real details of this incident.

When I first heard about it when when the case originally happened, I was like most people:

But that response was based on the shallow, misleading, and sensationalistic reporting that made it seem like the world's gone crazy because here we are awarding some klutzy woman a huge cash settlement for spilling coffee on herself.

As you say, the woman suffered third degree burns; that's the real right there. And if I recall correctly, there was also a history of complaints about the coffee being extremely hot from other customers and the management chose to do nothing about it.

Both the severity of the burns and the history of complaint with no action from management is what resulted in the successful lawsuit.

But never let facts get in the way of a good right-wing meme.

Greybnk48

(10,162 posts)
8. I've actually seen pictures of some of these coffee burns
Sat May 26, 2012, 09:52 AM
May 2012

all in the crotch. Scalding coffee in flimsy cups. There were quite a few of these accidents and they all required extensive treatment and some skin grafts. I saw it in a medical journal when I still worked at a hospital and this trite BS pisses me off every time I hear it too.

I can't believe the pictures of these injuries aren't online, everything else is. Their genitals are covered by blue O.R. towels.

Edit: The documentary "Hot Coffee" covers this I believe. This Obit is Libertarian/Right Wingnut B.S. like those Good Ole Days posts.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
10. Apparently HBO did a documentary last year
Sat May 26, 2012, 10:01 AM
May 2012

It probably didn't get much attention because of Fukushima.
There's a link to it in this article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/mcdonalds-coffee-lawsuit_n_1380578.html

<snip>

QSRWeb notes that these two are far from the
only hot coffee cases to be leveled against
McDonald's since Liebeck, which was covered
extensively in the 2011 documentary "Hot
Coffee." That only makes the fast food
chain's failure to eliminate the problem,
perhaps via a new cup design, more
exasperating.

<snip>

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
12. here are the horrible details...worse than I remembered
Sat May 26, 2012, 10:39 AM
May 2012

She was 79 years old, not driving, the car not in motion and fully seated. Simply trying to remove the lid to add cream and sugar.

"A vascular surgeon determined that Liebeck suffered full thickness burns (or third-degree burns) over 6 percent of her body, including her inner thighs, perineum, buttocks, and genital and groin areas. She was hospitalized for eight days, during which time she underwent skin grafting. Liebeck, who also underwent debridement treatments, sought to settle her claim for $20,000, but McDonalds refused.

During discovery, McDonalds produced documents showing more than 700 claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebecks. This history documented McDonalds' knowledge about the extent and nature of this hazard.
McDonalds also said during discovery that, based on a consultants advice, it held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit to maintain optimum taste. He admitted that he had not evaluated the safety ramifications at this temperature. Other establishments sell coffee at substantially lower temperatures, and coffee served at home is generally 135 to 140 degrees.

Further, McDonalds' quality assurance manager testified that the company actively enforces a requirement that coffee be held in the pot at 185 degrees, plus or minus five degrees. He also testified that a burn hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above, and that McDonalds coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured into styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn the mouth and throat. The quality assurance manager admitted that burns would occur, but testified that McDonalds had no intention of reducing the "holding temperature" of its coffee."


http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
4. All I read was
Sat May 26, 2012, 08:09 AM
May 2012

"Blah blah blah Kenyan Muslim Commie blah blah blah nanny state blah blah blah lazy (insert racial slur here)s blah blah blah ambulance chaser blah blah blah Stella Award blah blah blah personal responsibility even though this whole screed is about blaming others and I'm too stupid to realize it blah blah blah Reagan."

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