Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
16 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
If we all lived like the Amish, would be facing Climate Change? (Original Post) Yavin4 Oct 2015 OP
Not a practical template HassleCat Oct 2015 #1
And NO ONE uses deoderant. A HERETIC I AM Oct 2015 #13
It is possible Kalidurga Oct 2015 #2
We would be facing mass starvation. nt hack89 Oct 2015 #3
Formula 1 would get a lot less exciting. Codeine Oct 2015 #4
..... A HERETIC I AM Oct 2015 #12
Not at this population level, no jberryhill Oct 2015 #5
How would we know? kiva Oct 2015 #6
But by not having a computer or internet... Yavin4 Oct 2015 #7
It's not how we live, it's how many of us are on the planet. FLPanhandle Oct 2015 #8
You're welcome to join them... brooklynite Oct 2015 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #10
Yes. Rex Oct 2015 #11
Many Amish men use electricity and gas. Cell phones. Power equipment. yardwork Oct 2015 #14
Animal abuse is rampant in Amish country. Codeine Oct 2015 #16
Maybe not, but we'd be frogmarch Oct 2015 #15
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. Not a practical template
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 10:04 PM
Oct 2015

Over 300 million small subsistence farmers? I don't think that would work. Everybody drops out of school after the 9th grade?

A HERETIC I AM

(24,368 posts)
13. And NO ONE uses deoderant.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:26 PM
Oct 2015

Just contemplate THAT part.

300 million stinky farmers, women included.


Of course, lets not forget about just how pleasant horses and their excrement can be when their population increases and is concentrated.

Small and large towns of 2 centuries back were VERY agreeable to the nose indeed!

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
2. It is possible
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 10:06 PM
Oct 2015

Our country could be deforested for one thing as we would be cutting down trees not just for paper, but for wood burning stoves. And we would need a lot more grazing land as we switch to using horses for transportation, plus a lot more horses. A by product of grazing is methane, I don't know what the carbon emission on horses compared to cars would be though, I doubt there is a study on that. Factories would close down. A lot of people would go hungry and possibly die as a result of returning to that kind of farming just because people don't know how to do it anymore so a lot of farms would fail. But, I think rather than being an immediate concern climate change would be something talked about in a couple hundred more years. Or not, the Amish tend to have a lot more children so maybe it would be the issue of over population instead.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. Not at this population level, no
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 10:47 PM
Oct 2015

If you look at the population density of the contiguous US, it is overall 103 people per square mile.

Looking for a good county to use as a model, Lancaster County, PA, for example, is not a good one due to the Lancaster city population.

Holmes County, Ohio, is as close a model as I can find for a predominately "Amish" county, and it comes in at 100 people per square mile.

Now, that's kind of a good fit if the entirety of the US is as amenable to Amish agriculture as Holmes County, Ohio. But, it's not.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
6. How would we know?
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 10:54 PM
Oct 2015

Haven't heard of a lot of Amish scientists measuring climate change. Of course you wouldn't have a computer or internet access, so you wouldn't be here to ask

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
7. But by not having a computer or internet...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:17 PM
Oct 2015

aren't they preserving the climate because of lower power use.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
8. It's not how we live, it's how many of us are on the planet.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:19 PM
Oct 2015

We can all cut back but eventually the population will grow even more and thus requiring more cutbacks.

Bottom line: Too many humans on this planet.

Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

yardwork

(61,608 posts)
14. Many Amish men use electricity and gas. Cell phones. Power equipment.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:29 PM
Oct 2015

I grew up in Amish country. Every little patriarchal unit is different, but for the most part the jobs and tasks of me use modern power and technology. The women and children get the primitive jobs.

And there is a big problem with familial rape and incest, domestic violence, child abuse, and abuse if their animals. If victims try to go to authorities they are shunned. Basically, most Amish are jerks. The ones who get away confirm this.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
16. Animal abuse is rampant in Amish country.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:36 PM
Oct 2015

The Amish run a lot of puppy mills because they're willing to raise dogs in battery cages, like factory-farmed chickens. An animal isn't a living, feeling being to them, it's just a thing, a piece of equipment no different than a buggy or whatever.

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
15. Maybe not, but we'd be
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 03:32 PM
Oct 2015

conquered by a technologically advanced country before we could say "Good character, like good soup, is usually homemade" or some such.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»If we all lived like the ...