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gvstn

(2,805 posts)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:07 AM Nov 2015

Anyone notice the lack of butterflies and grasshoppers?

Now, I'm fifty or so, but in my youth during recess we went out into the field behind our school and looked for and picked up grasshoppers even though they had some way of spraying you with some green juice. It was an actually activity scheduled by our school. Right or wrong but in those days you had to occupy the kids minds with something (pre-internet).

I was just thinking about this today. Forget grasshoppers, but I only saw one butterfly this summer. I'm not talking Monarchs, but any butterfly. They used to be so common that you would not even think about them. But they seem rarer now.

Has anyone seen a normal flow of butterflies? Larvae turning into butterflies was a normal part of science class because there were so many to be seen. But I just don't see so many. Does anyone, of my age, see a "normal" amount of butterflies? Or is it because
I just don't take enough walks in the park.

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Anyone notice the lack of butterflies and grasshoppers? (Original Post) gvstn Nov 2015 OP
I had an abundance of butterflies and grasshoppers. SamKnause Nov 2015 #1
I live in Delaware. gvstn Nov 2015 #7
Are you above the canal or below it? jberryhill Nov 2015 #21
I'm in Talleyville gvstn Nov 2015 #22
I just discovered a few weeks ago... jberryhill Nov 2015 #31
Not to derail the comments... Docreed2003 Nov 2015 #26
Depends on where you are Scootaloo Nov 2015 #2
My regional area or my house... gvstn Nov 2015 #10
I've been seeing butterflies and grasshoppers SheilaT Nov 2015 #3
I am seeing fewer and fewer Monarchs ALBliberal Nov 2015 #4
I grew up?? Old Codger Nov 2015 #6
We still get fireflies in my backyard... Mister Ed Nov 2015 #11
Lived in Old Codger Nov 2015 #17
I think I cracked this one the other day! Shandris Nov 2015 #5
It shouldn't be illegal, they give out free seeds to encourage people to grow milkweed: beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #8
Oh, nice! I had NO idea anything like this even existed. Shandris Nov 2015 #20
You're very welcome! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #24
I grow lots of milkweed and, therefore, see lots of Monarchs and other butterflies. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #9
Do you have a butterfly bush (Buddleia)? I have one, and the swallowtails love it! Tanuki Nov 2015 #14
I'm in California. We have lantana. There is a type of lilac that can be grown here, but I JDPriestly Nov 2015 #19
I saw plenty of grasshoppers and fireflies. murielm99 Nov 2015 #12
I think I 'm seeing fewer fireflies. leftyladyfrommo Nov 2015 #13
I see plenty of butterflies... Phentex Nov 2015 #15
I intentionally set up a garden for butterflies. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #16
have a campsite at a camping resort in wisconsin dembotoz Nov 2015 #18
I was up in the Midlantic and saw tons this year in the summer. Yo_Mama Nov 2015 #23
We have lots in rural NC, but I did notice Tipperary Nov 2015 #25
We had no angryvet Nov 2015 #27
Interesting about the flies. gvstn Nov 2015 #30
Fortunately, no. tavernier Nov 2015 #28
Plenty of them both. nt greytdemocrat Nov 2015 #29
We had an overabundance of grasshoppers this year for some reason. Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #32
Less fireflies, no grasshoppers, less butterflies and bees... KoKo Nov 2015 #33

SamKnause

(14,896 posts)
1. I had an abundance of butterflies and grasshoppers.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:15 AM
Nov 2015

I also had an abundance of birds, fire flies; (lightning bugs), bumble bees, honey bees,

crickets, spiders, etc.

I had the usual visits from the wild turkeys.

I had my second set of deer triplets.

I live in rural Ohio.

Where are you located ???

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
7. I live in Delaware.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:38 AM
Nov 2015

We don't do a lot of taming the wild (grass mowing) except for freeway "divides".

Many less fire flies, bumble bees (and even yellow jackets--the stinging ones--like hornets.) A couple of odd ball plants that the bees used to pollinate very early in the season (with fifty bees going after the same plant) don't seem to get any attention now. Might just be a sick plant but it just came on so sudden.

I still get tons of crickets in my yard. They seem safe. But have only seen one butterfly all year. They just seem so rare here, now, where they were so common.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
21. Are you above the canal or below it?
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 08:39 PM
Nov 2015

I've lived in New Castle County for over 50 years, and at least very locally to me, this year picked up a bit, but that's probably because I'm near that golf course that has been in litigation and turned into a meadow over the last few years.

If you think back to when, for example, the intersection between 7 and Churchman's road was pretty much just a stop sign, and then came the mall, the hospital, the banking laws changed and that spurred all of the suburban development along 40 and south of there... the amount of open space all the way down to the canal (and then south of the canal) is dramatically lower than it used to be.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
22. I'm in Talleyville
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:21 PM
Nov 2015

I don't go on many nature walks anymore but just remember lots of butterflies of different colors from my youth.

Yes, they have overdeveloped certain areas but it seems like there is enough green space to support butterflies.

What they did to route one in Sussex is unbelievable when I think about what it looked like when I was I kid.
I still miss Nassau Orchards. Such a waste of good peach growing land.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
31. I just discovered a few weeks ago...
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:29 AM
Nov 2015

....that it's possible to go entirely on trails from the Brandywine up through Alapocas, come out by the old Blue Ball Barn, through the park there to Rockland and then to Bellevue, entirely on trails. It's a great bike ride, and a much longer walk.

Docreed2003

(18,714 posts)
26. Not to derail the comments...
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 11:30 PM
Nov 2015

But we actually saw our second set of deer triplets in two years here in RI. We have a family of deer in the protected woods behind our house that we follow closely. I had always thought triplets in the deer population was very rare and last years set was a special sight. Then, we were treated to another set this summer.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
2. Depends on where you are
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:15 AM
Nov 2015

In Washington, summer was unusually hot and dry, even in the West of the state. It got so bad that our blackberry season lasted all of two days here on Vashon, before the ripe berries turned to gnarly raisins. Assuming they even ripened at all instead of being baked hard.

This is not optimal for soft-bodied insects like caterpillars. And since crickets and grasshoppers rely on temperature and humidity ot get their breeding on, it was pretty bad for them, too.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
10. My regional area or my house...
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:45 AM
Nov 2015

Seems to get its share of crickets. They love this place. Although I have seen plenty in the garage, it just seems to not be enough. I have called this a rather mild summer but everyone else I speak to says they think it was hot. I just don't think I will find crickets hiding/staying warm in my cardboard boxes this year. It wasn't unusually dry but perhaps a bit.

I was talking to a young woman at the sub/steak shop, who seemed to know every bug on earth. And I thought back to when we went out and picked up (then let them go) grasshoppers like it was the most normal thing on Earth to do. I haven't seen an actual grasshopper in 20 years.

I was just wondering if this was a local phenomenon or all around the country. They just seemed to be everywhere. Same as butterflies, you could see hundreds of various colors, but now I see none.

Now, moths still seem to be around to eat my sweaters. Those little guys I could stand a decrease in the population. I get them every year despite hanging moth deterring products in my closet. Who can figure?

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
3. I've been seeing butterflies and grasshoppers
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:16 AM
Nov 2015

here in Santa Fe. In my front yard I have a bush that is called a butterfly bush. Butterflies flutter around it quite happily. I can't know if I'm seeing "normal" numbers or not, but I am seeing them. Also goodly numbers of birds, including the usual swallows who occupy a nest right over my front door, which was built seven years ago.

This year, the mating pair that claimed it, didn't like how much the first nest had deteriorated, and built another one three feet away, in the same overhang. When the nestlings got big enough, one of the parents (have no idea which one since they look alike) would spend the night in the old nest. Swallow condos r us.

ALBliberal

(3,339 posts)
4. I am seeing fewer and fewer Monarchs
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:17 AM
Nov 2015

we have milkweed growing wild in our backyard and always had many Monarchs this year we saw far fewer

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
6. I grew up??
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:21 AM
Nov 2015

In Minn. and as a child I recall many nights watching fireflies all over the fields, last time i was there didn't see any at all, asked friend about that and was told not anymore..Sad days

Mister Ed

(6,927 posts)
11. We still get fireflies in my backyard...
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:36 AM
Nov 2015

...here in Stillwater, MN.

I don't know if the sheer numbers match the days of my youth, though. Close to the home where I grew up, there was a vast, gently sloping field which, on the right sort of night in June, would be alight with thousands and thousands of fireflies. Possibly tens of thousands, without exaggeration. What a dazzling sight!

One night, years later, I took a woman there on a date, believe it or not. We drove up from the city on a warm summer night to see it, and she was enchanted. The field is now a housing development, and the fireflies are gone from it. But the woman has been my dear wife these twenty years and more.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
17. Lived in
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 11:02 AM
Nov 2015

Plymouth... as you say there were thousands of them usually.. I was there last year and didn't see any at all

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
5. I think I cracked this one the other day!
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:21 AM
Nov 2015

It's crazy simple (not for grasshoppers, but butterflies). Back in the 70s I used to see hundreds of butterflies. Years later, I didn't. What changed?

Simple. Indiana started using prisoners to mow the ditches. That killed all the milkweed. No milkweed, no pretty Indiana butterflies.

I was actually thinking about seeing if planting a milkweed patch is legal to see if it could help get some new butterflies going (with local help of course, I'm not made of cash!).

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
8. It shouldn't be illegal, they give out free seeds to encourage people to grow milkweed:
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:52 AM
Nov 2015
https://www.livemonarch.com/free-milkweed-seeds.htm

More info here:

http://www.nwf.org/Pollinators/Monarch/Milkweed-Resources.aspx


We stopped bush hogging our back pasture to help the wildlife, especially bees and butterflies.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
20. Oh, nice! I had NO idea anything like this even existed.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:04 PM
Nov 2015

And it's amazingly cheap from the looks of the second site. Like a couple dollars to get started (plus materials stuff of course, but I think I can get the vast majority of that from family). Besides, I have like an entire winter to do it.

I noticed this year, at my dad's house (only), a resurgence in honeybees. That was nice (and thankfully sting free lol) to see, as I hadn't seen one before this year for quite a while.

Thank you so much!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
24. You're very welcome!
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:09 PM
Nov 2015

I remember milkweed used to be everywhere when I was a kid, now it's scarce and I fear for the future of Monarch butterflies.

You can plant it with some wildflowers too, wild asters are great perennials for the bees and butterflies, they're very hardy and beautiful:

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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
9. I grow lots of milkweed and, therefore, see lots of Monarchs and other butterflies.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:13 AM
Nov 2015

I plan to grow some anis to attract Swallowtails if possible in my area of the country.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
19. I'm in California. We have lantana. There is a type of lilac that can be grown here, but I
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:00 PM
Nov 2015

don't grow it. It does not have the sweet odor that Northern lilac has.

murielm99

(32,988 posts)
12. I saw plenty of grasshoppers and fireflies.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:47 AM
Nov 2015

I did not see many butterflies.

I live in the country, in rural Illinois.

When I miss seeing something, I usually attribute it to pesticides. Our neighbor sprays excessively. His father sprayed more lightly, when the land belonged to him.

Phentex

(16,709 posts)
15. I see plenty of butterflies...
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:22 AM
Nov 2015

haven't seen grasshoppers but I don't get too close to the grass.

Baitball Blogger

(52,345 posts)
16. I intentionally set up a garden for butterflies.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:25 AM
Nov 2015

And I learned not to be too greedy. After one incredibly abundant year, there were others that were followed with melting disease and large kill-offs.

Nature has its way.

The Monarch is the one we do need to concentrate on.

 

dembotoz

(16,922 posts)
18. have a campsite at a camping resort in wisconsin
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:01 PM
Nov 2015

place is packed on weekend and empty during the week
so i prefer mid week....yes i am that antisocial

what struck me this year was the absolute silence at night.
beyond what i had been used to.
like deprivation chamber quiet.

hearing loss? dunno
i hear crickets and stuff at home in the burbs....

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
23. I was up in the Midlantic and saw tons this year in the summer.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:38 PM
Nov 2015

It struck me at the time - I remember thinking that they must have recovered from the big freeze.

Normal numbers in the south.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
25. We have lots in rural NC, but I did notice
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 11:18 PM
Nov 2015

very few honeybees this past summer. That made me sad.

angryvet

(181 posts)
27. We had no
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 11:32 PM
Nov 2015

mosquitos and very few flies this year. Butterflies were OK, don't remember ever having grasshoppers here.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
30. Interesting about the flies.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:28 AM
Nov 2015

I haven't been to any outdoor parties this year but I have seen very few flies.

I did have one in my garage that persistently tried to drink my Dr. Pepper while I was smoking a few weeks ago.

Glad to hear butterflies are still around and flourishing.

tavernier

(14,443 posts)
28. Fortunately, no.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 11:40 PM
Nov 2015

We are in the Florida Keys and we have butterflies and bees and certainly more mosquitos than you would ever want to see. But we also have ocean breezes that blow off the pollution and poisons.

But I understand your concerns.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
32. We had an overabundance of grasshoppers this year for some reason.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:39 AM
Nov 2015

If I could get them when they were small enough I throw them into the widow webs. (I have a garden in the back and we don't use any type of "icides" so critters are not an unusual thing to see.) We had no aphids this year which is weird because the ladybugs, lacewings and praying mantis' showed up but there was nothing for them to eat. Never did get any aphids this year. We had a bazillion beetles that LOVED my cherry tomatoes but they'd just swarm one tomato at a time, suck it dry, then move on.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
33. Less fireflies, no grasshoppers, less butterflies and bees...
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:52 AM
Nov 2015

I live in the suburbs of a city and I blame some of it on people using leaf blowers instead of raking their lawns. The blowers are now high power and also go into the shrubbery which blows out insect eggs, larvae and compacts the soil.

I would wish to ban blowers...but, realize its a convenience that people feel is important.

We've planted Butterfly Bush and other plants that attract some bees and butterflies but its nothing like the diversity of insects that I remember growing up.
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