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According to Carroll, deputies began knocking on the door around 3:30 am as they were looking for someone who no longer lived in the home. When Deputies asked Livingston if they could search his home, Livingston said not without a search warrant, according to Carroll.
Livingston then shut the door.
Having a man assert his fourth amendment right to be secure in his property was apparently too much for the deputy to handle.
The cop kicked in the door, got on top of him, started slinging him around beat him
Carroll said.
Witnesses explain how deputies began spraying pepper spray and deploying a taser during the assault. They say that Livingston was not fighting back and merely trying to prevent the deputies from inflicting more harm on him.
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Livingston died from the multiple gunshot wounds.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/dad-tells-cops-they-need-warrant-search-home-so-they-kick-his-door-and-kill-him
marym625
(17,997 posts)People are not safe anywhere
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:31 AM - Edit history (1)
So many of them get away with it, so cops feel a sense of invulnerability.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)stop committing murder. As long as they can avoid charges or simply get acquitted, they'll keep it up.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)forfeit all assets,
pay all fines and restitution OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS,
and kept in the General Population at the Prison.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I'm not naive, nor am I uneducated in the history of our nation. We've done some horrific things.
But since I have been an adult, the absolute lack of compassion, the disregard for the laws of our nation and the treaties we have entered into, the outright contempt toward minorities and religions other than Christian (and only certain branches of Christianity) and the grotesque indifference to human life, is abhorrent.
There is no doubt we have to, immediately, address the widespread, legalized murder of people by police, especially murders of people of color. But until we rid the government of the oligarchs, until we take our country back from the corporatists, we will never see peace again. Not in the world at large and not in the towns and villages that we call home.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)They're only taking the mask off now.
And two "Democratic" presidents have done nothing to stop and much to accelerate and facilitate it.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Bettie
(19,219 posts)Since they don't get held accountable. The victim is always "at fault" in these cases, because cops are continually "afraid for their lives".
It is sick and sad.
imthevicar
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Angry enough people Begin the "Fifth level of Insurrection" As they so far have: 1) Blogged (Formerly leafleting), and posted video on line 2) Complained to Police Authorities, and Supervision, 3) Gone to Court for the Economic Kick in the ass, The Police' civilian Authorities so richly deserve or the Futility of a Jury Trial, 4) and Now we are complaining to legislatures on all levels. They will continue to pay nothing but lip services and while secretly hoping The unwashed masses ether; a)accept this as the New Norm. or B) the Police begin to Police themselves as they should. IOW Why doesn't this problem Just go away. (BTW this will never happen as Power will never yield anything, and the problem has continued to get worse.)
The Fifth level of Insurrection is Ugly and Gruesome and the last time the US got their was the 60's. 5) this is just shooting/ Beating/ and Killing the police and other civic authorities at random and at times when the people doing it will just walk away, and not be caught. If they are they will become Martyrs for "the Cause" (this will be random and no centralized authority will be involved. That would indicate a Neck to be cut to end it all.) ANY Insurrection that reaches this level Has NEVER failed. The Best example of this is the Irish Insurrection, it took well over 500 years but was successful.
After this, it is just a series of escalations and tactics by authorities, and Insurrectionist, and because it's not a outright war the National guard cannot be brought in. The ATF might get involved, but Usually the authorities "Get the Message" (lets face it they don't want to end the way of Marie Antonetta, or on the unemployment line. They like it when the electorate is asleep.) and through a series of concessions and laws, will "fix the problem". However this lingering Insurrection will take years to DE-escalate. and Many Innocent people will die as a results of their to not listening to the people or being asleep at the wheel in the first place.
How little they learn from History!
Insurrection in Ireland = the troubles
I don't know what it will take to make people give a shit enough that they do more than complain on a keyboard. While the pen is mightier than the sword, nothing is more powerful than protest with bodies.
We have seen it begin. Occupy started this round. They were literally beaten down. Black Lives Matter and the Ferguson groups took it up from there. Ordinary people crushed by the powers that be in unending protest. But the movement waned. While there has been some ground gained, it seems to be mostly for show, with the exception of the arrest of the murderers of Freddie Gray and Walter Scott.
We're watching people murdered on nearly a daily basis. That's only what is caught in camera. We're reading about women being jailed for controlling their bodies. The land is raped and water polluted while our food is contaminated intentionally. The world is at war in so many different ways and people are killing each other over fresh water.
The oligarchs have stolen our money, collapsed the world economy intentionally and the people who planned it are put in high ranking government offices.
Out education has been stolen, sold to the highest bidder, then controlled by the powers that be to make sure there are more Delta workers than anything else. Our unions crushed and our people villified for speaking truths.
Free speech zones are accepted. We stand in little cages to protest. Our voices drowned out. Unseen by those who are being fooled.
I could go on but I've already gone way off subject. Sorry
imthevicar
(811 posts)They Who make Peaceful Protest Impossible, Make violent Revolution Probable!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)though his actual words wew
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
[Remarks on the first anniversary of the Alliance for Progress, 13 March 1962]
marym625
(17,997 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)So, not in my lifetime, that's for sure.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Hissyspit
(45,790 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)This far from the country I grew up in.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)This militarised bullying is neither serving nor protecting anyone anymore.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)It serves and protects the parasite class of capitalism just as it is intended to do and that is very well indeed. It does so by keeping the population in a constant state of fear. Fearful (and relentlessly propagandized) people don't fight back.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)DFW
(59,696 posts)And murder is still murder--hiding behind a badge should no longer be an option if the killing is unjustified, as was obviously the case here.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)http://wncn.com/2015/11/17/nc-dad-shocked-harnett-co-deputy-with-stun-gun-before-being-killed-documents-say/
http://wncn.com/2015/11/17/son-of-nc-man-shot-by-harnett-co-deputy-calls-dad-his-best-friend/
http://wncn.com/2015/11/16/deputys-name-released-in-fatal-harnett-co-officer-involved-shooting/
Alternet is disgusting in the way they often have people claiming authorship of articles when actually they are just cutting and pasting from a real journalist's work.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)RawStory, too.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)Oh, theres a threat to America. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back to that fucking COPS show, because Ill tell you who the threat to freedom
. no no no, not to freedom. Ill tell you who the threat to the status quo is in this country. Its us! Thats why they show you shows like fucking COPS. So you know that State Power will win, and well bust your house down, and well fucking bust you anytime we want. Thats the message! Why dont they just have a show called Storm Trooper?
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)STFU, sit the fuck down, and do as you're told, pigs. You have no rights whatsoever.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)in jail for minor traffic violations and they end up dead.
To whoever said "whoever invokes the Nazi analogy loses the argument", I call fucking bullshit. It may be different, but only as to the matter of scale. To the people who are dead, or have lost loved ones with no hope of fucking justice because of a system that really only gives a shit about people worth a billion dollars or more, this is EXACTLY the same.
DFW
(59,696 posts)The Nazis knew who they were looking for when they went on their rampages.
Our cops don't seem to much care, and they usually don't get in trouble when they kill the wrong people.
The Nazis had their goals. Our cops seem to be able to kill indiscriminately, and get away with it. Even the Nazis would have put some of our killer cops before a firing squad as being rogue to the Reich.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)people with impunity, virtually condoned by the power of the state. Cops are growing more militarized. And the state only pays mealy-mouthed lip service to it. When people protest in large numbers they end up in black site detention areas like the one in Chicago and NY where their lawyers and their families can't find them.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)RICH, CONNECTED, white people are off the target list.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)IS the purpose. Unlike the Gestapo, as you point out. An average German going to work every day and back home every night had no particular reason to fear the Gestapo if he had no dissenting political opinions. Every non-wealthy American has countless reasons to fear the kkkops.
The only possible purpose this can have is to cow the populace into complete submission. Random terror by kkkop is a very effective method.
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)avebury
(11,186 posts)Talk about irony.
http://wncn.com/2015/11/15/1-killed-in-harnett-co-officer-involved-shooting/
You know I am fundamentally agains the death penalty, however, mayabe if some of these out of control cops knew that they might face first degree murder charges and death row, they might clean up their act.
DLevine
(1,791 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I was mistaken.
damnedifIknow
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But it seems like as long as people have their iphones and 75 inch televisions, not a lot give a damn.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)librechik
(30,955 posts)The situation exemplifies the ONE provision of our current constitutional rights.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Until that happens, we are rolling the dice with the police. *knock knock* Will it be a good cop? Or will it be a murderous cop that evidently cares NOTHING about human life or the rights of others?
Sucks that it is such a crap shoot. At one time we were afraid of criminals, now we have to be afraid of cops murdering us!
jpak
(41,780 posts)yup
Logical
(22,457 posts)Iggo
(49,593 posts)They're the best!
polly7
(20,582 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)struggle4progress
(125,320 posts)http://wncn.com/2015/11/15/1-killed-in-harnett-co-officer-involved-shooting/
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)From this for me is to never answer the door. And mind you, I was a cop (albeit briefly) a long time ago before becoming a lawyer.
I never do, anyway, but a cop will go back to the car and get reinforcements before knocking down your door. This typically requires him or her to talk to his or her boss, who has usually been down the road before and has a cooler head.
In the mean time, call 911 and tell them there is a maniac pounding on your front door.
Not a 100% solution, but will work most of the time.