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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:30 AM Nov 2015

Dad Tells Cops They Need a Warrant to Search Home, So They Kick in His Door and Kill Him

According to Carroll, deputies began knocking on the door around 3:30 am as they were looking for someone who no longer lived in the home. When Deputies asked Livingston if they could search his home, Livingston said “not without a search warrant,” according to Carroll.

Livingston then shut the door.

Having a man assert his fourth amendment right to be secure in his property was apparently too much for the deputy to handle.

“The cop kicked in the door, got on top of him, started slinging him around beat him…” Carroll said.

Witnesses explain how deputies began spraying pepper spray and deploying a taser during the assault. They say that Livingston was not fighting back and merely trying to prevent the deputies from inflicting more harm on him.

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Livingston died from the multiple gunshot wounds.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/dad-tells-cops-they-need-warrant-search-home-so-they-kick-his-door-and-kill-him

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Dad Tells Cops They Need a Warrant to Search Home, So They Kick in His Door and Kill Him (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Nov 2015 OP
when will it end? marym625 Nov 2015 #1
It'll end when murderers in uniform are held responsible for their crimes. Adrahil Nov 2015 #12
That's it exactly. When cops know they will go to jail when they commit murder, they'll (mostly) Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #18
Go to jail... bvar22 Nov 2015 #31
I just don't know this country anymore marym625 Nov 2015 #22
It has been a fascist nation since the mid 1980s. hifiguy Nov 2015 #40
Absolutely. Everything you said is right on. marym625 Nov 2015 #47
So never then Bettie Nov 2015 #28
This will Begin to end when imthevicar Nov 2015 #16
+1 marym625 Nov 2015 #25
Well the Saying Goes... imthevicar Nov 2015 #35
One of the wisest things JFK ever said. hifiguy Nov 2015 #41
Great quote. n/t marym625 Nov 2015 #45
It won't end until the fascist power structure is taken down. hifiguy Nov 2015 #36
Completely agree! Sadly marym625 Nov 2015 #46
That's not far from where I live. Hissyspit Nov 2015 #2
Horrific newfie11 Nov 2015 #3
Please: we need broad police reform now! Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #4
100% wrong. hifiguy Nov 2015 #37
I stand corrected. But we still need police reform, such as Mr. Sanders proposes. eom Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #50
No more paid vacations. We need to start jailing cops. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #5
Fully agree. A badge is not a hunting license DFW Nov 2015 #10
Here is the story Alternet cribbed Android3.14 Nov 2015 #6
Agreed. Brickbat Nov 2015 #21
Thanks Liberal_in_LA Nov 2015 #49
Reports like this bring to mind Bill Hicks' observation in '93 deutsey Nov 2015 #7
Yep. That's what my perception of the show COPS is too. To send a message to stay in line GoneFishin Nov 2015 #9
Just another part of the oligarchs' propaganda machinery. hifiguy Nov 2015 #38
So we kick down doors and kill innocent civilians, shoot their dogs, shoot their kids, throw them GoneFishin Nov 2015 #8
No, it is not the same DFW Nov 2015 #13
The lack of justice and the ominpotence of the cops is the same. Thugs are killing innocent GoneFishin Nov 2015 #15
Not exactly. Our cops can not kill indescriminately. bvar22 Nov 2015 #32
The randomness of it shows that random terrorization of citizens hifiguy Nov 2015 #39
Awful Beyond Words...k and r. Stuart G Nov 2015 #11
"deputies arrived on scene to conduct an assault investigation" avebury Nov 2015 #14
Murdering cowards. nt DLevine Nov 2015 #17
I used to think highly the nation of my birth. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #19
We need someone like this guy damnedifIknow Nov 2015 #20
We do indeed. And NOW. hifiguy Nov 2015 #42
This is so exceptionally American. librechik Nov 2015 #23
This will never end. Not until cops police their own people. Rex Nov 2015 #24
ISIS?? meh - we got real terrorists jpak Nov 2015 #26
Cops are paid bullys with mostly no downside to any bad behavior! Nt Logical Nov 2015 #27
Yay, Cops! Iggo Nov 2015 #29
Horrible. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #30
fuck tha police frylock Nov 2015 #33
NC dad fatally shot during struggle for Taser with Harnett Co. deputy, witness says struggle4progress Nov 2015 #34
what happens in the colonies (foreign or internalized) is PRACTICE MisterP Nov 2015 #43
Police have a license to kill. (full stop.) further, this "right" IS being re-enforced. nt Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #44
Personal take-a-away MosheFeingold Nov 2015 #48
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
12. It'll end when murderers in uniform are held responsible for their crimes.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:27 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:31 AM - Edit history (1)

So many of them get away with it, so cops feel a sense of invulnerability.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
18. That's it exactly. When cops know they will go to jail when they commit murder, they'll (mostly)
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 07:15 AM
Nov 2015

stop committing murder. As long as they can avoid charges or simply get acquitted, they'll keep it up.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
31. Go to jail...
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:38 PM
Nov 2015

forfeit all assets,
pay all fines and restitution OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS,
and kept in the General Population at the Prison.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
22. I just don't know this country anymore
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 11:13 AM
Nov 2015

I'm not naive, nor am I uneducated in the history of our nation. We've done some horrific things.

But since I have been an adult, the absolute lack of compassion, the disregard for the laws of our nation and the treaties we have entered into, the outright contempt toward minorities and religions other than Christian (and only certain branches of Christianity) and the grotesque indifference to human life, is abhorrent.

There is no doubt we have to, immediately, address the widespread, legalized murder of people by police, especially murders of people of color. But until we rid the government of the oligarchs, until we take our country back from the corporatists, we will never see peace again. Not in the world at large and not in the towns and villages that we call home.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
40. It has been a fascist nation since the mid 1980s.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:43 PM
Nov 2015

They're only taking the mask off now.

And two "Democratic" presidents have done nothing to stop and much to accelerate and facilitate it.

Bettie

(19,219 posts)
28. So never then
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:54 PM
Nov 2015

Since they don't get held accountable. The victim is always "at fault" in these cases, because cops are continually "afraid for their lives".

It is sick and sad.

 

imthevicar

(811 posts)
16. This will Begin to end when
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:56 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:32 PM - Edit history (1)

Angry enough people Begin the "Fifth level of Insurrection" As they so far have: 1) Blogged (Formerly leafleting), and posted video on line 2) Complained to Police Authorities, and Supervision, 3) Gone to Court for the Economic Kick in the ass, The Police' civilian Authorities so richly deserve or the Futility of a Jury Trial, 4) and Now we are complaining to legislatures on all levels. They will continue to pay nothing but lip services and while secretly hoping The unwashed masses ether; a)accept this as the New Norm. or B) the Police begin to Police themselves as they should. IOW Why doesn't this problem Just go away. (BTW this will never happen as Power will never yield anything, and the problem has continued to get worse.)

The Fifth level of Insurrection is Ugly and Gruesome and the last time the US got their was the 60's. 5) this is just shooting/ Beating/ and Killing the police and other civic authorities at random and at times when the people doing it will just walk away, and not be caught. If they are they will become Martyrs for "the Cause" (this will be random and no centralized authority will be involved. That would indicate a Neck to be cut to end it all.) ANY Insurrection that reaches this level Has NEVER failed. The Best example of this is the Irish Insurrection, it took well over 500 years but was successful.

After this, it is just a series of escalations and tactics by authorities, and Insurrectionist, and because it's not a outright war the National guard cannot be brought in. The ATF might get involved, but Usually the authorities "Get the Message" (lets face it they don't want to end the way of Marie Antonetta, or on the unemployment line. They like it when the electorate is asleep.) and through a series of concessions and laws, will "fix the problem". However this lingering Insurrection will take years to DE-escalate. and Many Innocent people will die as a results of their to not listening to the people or being asleep at the wheel in the first place.
How little they learn from History!

marym625

(17,997 posts)
25. +1
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 11:48 AM
Nov 2015

Insurrection in Ireland = the troubles

I don't know what it will take to make people give a shit enough that they do more than complain on a keyboard. While the pen is mightier than the sword, nothing is more powerful than protest with bodies.

We have seen it begin. Occupy started this round. They were literally beaten down. Black Lives Matter and the Ferguson groups took it up from there. Ordinary people crushed by the powers that be in unending protest. But the movement waned. While there has been some ground gained, it seems to be mostly for show, with the exception of the arrest of the murderers of Freddie Gray and Walter Scott.

We're watching people murdered on nearly a daily basis. That's only what is caught in camera. We're reading about women being jailed for controlling their bodies. The land is raped and water polluted while our food is contaminated intentionally. The world is at war in so many different ways and people are killing each other over fresh water.

The oligarchs have stolen our money, collapsed the world economy intentionally and the people who planned it are put in high ranking government offices.

Out education has been stolen, sold to the highest bidder, then controlled by the powers that be to make sure there are more Delta workers than anything else. Our unions crushed and our people villified for speaking truths.

Free speech zones are accepted. We stand in little cages to protest. Our voices drowned out. Unseen by those who are being fooled.

I could go on but I've already gone way off subject. Sorry

 

imthevicar

(811 posts)
35. Well the Saying Goes...
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:34 PM
Nov 2015

They Who make Peaceful Protest Impossible, Make violent Revolution Probable!

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
41. One of the wisest things JFK ever said.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:45 PM
Nov 2015

though his actual words wew

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

[Remarks on the first anniversary of the Alliance for Progress, 13 March 1962]

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
36. It won't end until the fascist power structure is taken down.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:36 PM
Nov 2015

So, not in my lifetime, that's for sure.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
4. Please: we need broad police reform now!
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:07 AM
Nov 2015

This militarised bullying is neither serving nor protecting anyone anymore.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
37. 100% wrong.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:38 PM
Nov 2015

It serves and protects the parasite class of capitalism just as it is intended to do and that is very well indeed. It does so by keeping the population in a constant state of fear. Fearful (and relentlessly propagandized) people don't fight back.

DFW

(59,696 posts)
10. Fully agree. A badge is not a hunting license
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:24 AM
Nov 2015

And murder is still murder--hiding behind a badge should no longer be an option if the killing is unjustified, as was obviously the case here.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
7. Reports like this bring to mind Bill Hicks' observation in '93
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:16 AM
Nov 2015

Oh, there’s a threat to America. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back to that fucking COPS show, because I’ll tell you who the threat to freedom…. no no no, not to freedom. I’ll tell you who the threat to the status quo is in this country. It’s us! That’s why they show you shows like fucking COPS. So you know that State Power will win, and we’ll bust your house down, and we’ll fucking bust you anytime we want. That’s the message! Why don’t they just have a show called Storm Trooper?

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
9. Yep. That's what my perception of the show COPS is too. To send a message to stay in line
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:24 AM
Nov 2015
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
38. Just another part of the oligarchs' propaganda machinery.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:39 PM
Nov 2015

STFU, sit the fuck down, and do as you're told, pigs. You have no rights whatsoever.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
8. So we kick down doors and kill innocent civilians, shoot their dogs, shoot their kids, throw them
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:20 AM
Nov 2015

in jail for minor traffic violations and they end up dead.

To whoever said "whoever invokes the Nazi analogy loses the argument", I call fucking bullshit. It may be different, but only as to the matter of scale. To the people who are dead, or have lost loved ones with no hope of fucking justice because of a system that really only gives a shit about people worth a billion dollars or more, this is EXACTLY the same.

DFW

(59,696 posts)
13. No, it is not the same
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:28 AM
Nov 2015

The Nazis knew who they were looking for when they went on their rampages.

Our cops don't seem to much care, and they usually don't get in trouble when they kill the wrong people.

The Nazis had their goals. Our cops seem to be able to kill indiscriminately, and get away with it. Even the Nazis would have put some of our killer cops before a firing squad as being rogue to the Reich.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
15. The lack of justice and the ominpotence of the cops is the same. Thugs are killing innocent
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:49 AM
Nov 2015

people with impunity, virtually condoned by the power of the state. Cops are growing more militarized. And the state only pays mealy-mouthed lip service to it. When people protest in large numbers they end up in black site detention areas like the one in Chicago and NY where their lawyers and their families can't find them.

We'll have to agree to disagree.



bvar22

(39,909 posts)
32. Not exactly. Our cops can not kill indescriminately.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:42 PM
Nov 2015

RICH, CONNECTED, white people are off the target list.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
39. The randomness of it shows that random terrorization of citizens
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:42 PM
Nov 2015

IS the purpose. Unlike the Gestapo, as you point out. An average German going to work every day and back home every night had no particular reason to fear the Gestapo if he had no dissenting political opinions. Every non-wealthy American has countless reasons to fear the kkkops.

The only possible purpose this can have is to cow the populace into complete submission. Random terror by kkkop is a very effective method.

avebury

(11,186 posts)
14. "deputies arrived on scene to conduct an assault investigation"
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 06:31 AM
Nov 2015

Talk about irony.

http://wncn.com/2015/11/15/1-killed-in-harnett-co-officer-involved-shooting/

You know I am fundamentally agains the death penalty, however, mayabe if some of these out of control cops knew that they might face first degree murder charges and death row, they might clean up their act.

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
20. We need someone like this guy
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:34 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Wed Nov 18, 2015, 09:32 AM - Edit history (1)



But it seems like as long as people have their iphones and 75 inch televisions, not a lot give a damn.

librechik

(30,955 posts)
23. This is so exceptionally American.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 11:38 AM
Nov 2015

The situation exemplifies the ONE provision of our current constitutional rights.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. This will never end. Not until cops police their own people.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 11:42 AM
Nov 2015

Until that happens, we are rolling the dice with the police. *knock knock* Will it be a good cop? Or will it be a murderous cop that evidently cares NOTHING about human life or the rights of others?

Sucks that it is such a crap shoot. At one time we were afraid of criminals, now we have to be afraid of cops murdering us!

struggle4progress

(125,320 posts)
34. NC dad fatally shot during struggle for Taser with Harnett Co. deputy, witness says
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:14 PM
Nov 2015
... Carroll said sheriff’s deputies then started spraying mace on Livingston and using the Taser ... Witnesses said Livingston ... was trying to get the Taser out of the deputy’s hands. The incident eventually continued outside. “He (Livingston) barely had the Taser in his hand but he had it where it was constantly going off and the officer I guess that spoke to him rolled over there, says he got the Taser and shot him in this position,” Carroll said... Carroll said Livingston was shot six times, while another witness in the home, Bristol Edge, said Livingston was shot at least four times ...
http://wncn.com/2015/11/15/1-killed-in-harnett-co-officer-involved-shooting/
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
44. Police have a license to kill. (full stop.) further, this "right" IS being re-enforced. nt
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:05 PM
Nov 2015

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
48. Personal take-a-away
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:39 PM
Nov 2015

From this for me is to never answer the door. And mind you, I was a cop (albeit briefly) a long time ago before becoming a lawyer.

I never do, anyway, but a cop will go back to the car and get reinforcements before knocking down your door. This typically requires him or her to talk to his or her boss, who has usually been down the road before and has a cooler head.

In the mean time, call 911 and tell them there is a maniac pounding on your front door.

Not a 100% solution, but will work most of the time.

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